David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give me one minute, Hon. Pauline. Members, join me in welcoming students from DEB Kianda Primary School, Buuri Constituency, Meru County, and students from Bishop Lawrence Bessone Primary School, 11th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21 Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)North Imenti, Meru...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you very much, Hon. Timothy. For the reasons advanced by Hon. Timothy this Bill is also stood down to the next time it is put in the Order Paper. I will not be able to say when as of now.(Bill deferred)Thank you. MANDATORY USE...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Bill deferred)Thank you. In view of the fact that this matter of harmonisation has taken a long time, more than a year, I order that a report of that exercise of harmonisation be brought to the House on Wednesday, next week. I hope you understand...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not need to say anything on that, do you? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Well said. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM) : On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. 11th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You surely know there is nothing out of order there.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Orero, umeridhika?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, she thinks about you every time. Hon. Members, before we go to the next Order, join me to welcome students seated in the Public Gallery. They are:Nguluni Secondary School, Kaiti Constituency, Makueni County. In the Speaker’s Gallery, we have South Tetu Girls High...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Orero is here, he is back but I will not give him a chance because if he is your junior, then he cannot comment on those kind of matters as regards you especially. Hon. Kaluma, on this issue of harmonisation, one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Well said. Thank you. Next is the Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is the one passing through Kotulo?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Farah, there is interest on this. You have 30 seconds to completely wind up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will allow you 30 seconds to wind up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He was contributing to something on coffee yesterday, and he used the same words you have used. I do not know whether you were in the same history class.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. (Hon. Adan Keynan spoke off the record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adan here.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Were you in the same history class as him?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, I have a list. You are all my friends, so as usual, I will follow the list. Raising your hand up will not help you in this regard. (Laughter)(Applause)(Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You were in the same class as Hon. Adan Keynan?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hate to interrupt you, but last time I checked, you were in some county as a very senior official. I hope you did not buy a seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give me one minute, Hon. Pauline. Members, join me in welcoming students from DEB Kianda Primary School, Buuri Constituency, Meru County, and students from Bishop Lawrence Bessone Primary School, 11th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21 Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)North Imenti, Meru...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you very much, Hon. Timothy. For the reasons advanced by Hon. Timothy this Bill is also stood down to the next time it is put in the Order Paper. I will not be able to say when as of now.(Bill deferred)Thank you. MANDATORY USE...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Bill deferred)Thank you. In view of the fact that this matter of harmonisation has taken a long time, more than a year, I order that a report of that exercise of harmonisation be brought to the House on Wednesday, next week. I hope you understand...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not need to say anything on that, do you? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Well said. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM) : On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. 11th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You surely know there is nothing out of order there.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Orero, umeridhika?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, she thinks about you every time. Hon. Members, before we go to the next Order, join me to welcome students seated in the Public Gallery. They are:Nguluni Secondary School, Kaiti Constituency, Makueni County. In the Speaker’s Gallery, we have South Tetu Girls High...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Orero is here, he is back but I will not give him a chance because if he is your junior, then he cannot comment on those kind of matters as regards you especially. Hon. Kaluma, on this issue of harmonisation, one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Well said. Thank you. Next is the Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is the one passing through Kotulo?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Farah, there is interest on this. You have 30 seconds to completely wind up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will allow you 30 seconds to wind up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He was contributing to something on coffee yesterday, and he used the same words you have used. I do not know whether you were in the same history class.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. (Hon. Adan Keynan spoke off the record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adan here.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Were you in the same history class as him?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, I have a list. You are all my friends, so as usual, I will follow the list. Raising your hand up will not help you in this regard. (Laughter)(Applause)(Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You were in the same class as Hon. Adan Keynan?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hate to interrupt you, but last time I checked, you were in some county as a very senior official. I hope you did not buy a seat.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2025/2026, and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo.

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) I do not want a debate on this matter. Hon. Bashir. (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record)

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Members. (Programmes 0621000 agreed to) (Vote 2141 agreed to) VOTE 2151 – INDEPENDENT POLICING OVERSIGHT AUTHORITY Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka.

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much, Hon. Member. That is what I was speaking to. I have given direction that it must be availed to all Members before the end of the day. The Chairperson has undertaken that it shall be done. Because of the many...

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is not showing on my end.

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, what is out of order?

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can see how much is going to health, transport and all the other programmes as indicated. We will be repeating ourselves. Not unless you are seeking a clarification but, in terms of the numbers, these are clearly in the books. (Programmes 0201000, 0203000,...

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, this is the third time Hon. Oundo is asking this question. We have the books and they are public documents. They are for Members of Parliament and everyone else. Hon. Oundo, I will not entertain a question like that because every Member...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I believe the students’ visit to this Parliament normally is for information and education. I want to take this opportunity to welcome all the students who are seated in the Speaker’s and Public Galleries to Parliament and ask them...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mutunga.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Environmental Management and Coordination (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.66 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Let us hear from the Member for Kirinyaga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, join me in recognising and welcoming students seated at the Speaker’s Gallery. They are: Mt. Kenya State Road Academy, Kieni Constituency, Nyeri County and St. Benedict’s Wamutitu Secondary School, Mukurweini Constituency, Nyeri County. We also have students from Tassia Primary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you and well said. Join me in welcoming students from…. (Hon. Yusuf Adan spoke off the record) Hon. Adan, there are four Members before you. I will give opportunities to them and then I will give you. Relax. (Laughter)(Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Eldas.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Well said. Hon. Members, today we have a number of schools visiting us. Seated in the Public Gallery are students from Masinga Girls, Masinga Constituency in Machakos County. Seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Moi Girls Isinya, Kajiado East Constituency...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Saku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) One minute. Members, you know what I do when I am presiding. I will not skip anybody. I will follow the list in the way you came. Just relax, bide your time and speak based on what time you came. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Next is the Member for Narok North, Hon. Pareyio.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Busia County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mandera West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Nambale, Hon. Mulanya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Kisumu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Keiyo North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Nyamira.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Before I give a chance to the next Member to contribute, join me in welcoming students from Weithaga Boys High School from Kiharu Constituency, Murang’a County and St. Joseph Matiku Secondary School from Kibwezi West Constituency, Makueni County. They are welcome to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Turkana East.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tinderet. 4th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Baya?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How did you determine the mood of the House? Is it the mood of the House that we call the Mover to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, that marks the end of the Second Reading debate on the Agriculture and Livestock Extension Services Bill (Senate Bill No.12 of 2022) . For obvious reasons, the Question will be put the next time the Bill will be slotted in the Order...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Muchira. 24th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Machakos County. 24th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 51

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Ol Jorok, you may proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Member for Teso South, would you like to speak on this matter? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kipkelion East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have skipped Member for Funyula three times. Allow me to give him the opportunity to contribute. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo, you clearly know why I am interrupting you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will have a balance of four minutes next time this Bill is ready for debate in the House. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Emaase! Hon. Members, the time being 7.00 p.m., the House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 29th April...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Oundo, do you want to speak to this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Omanyo, do you want to speak to this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Members, since there is no further interest in this matter, the Motion is clearly spent. The decision on this Motion will be made the next time it is in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Onchoke.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. (Dr) Oundo, do you want to contribute to this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, let us hear from Hon. Melly, who wishes to contribute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Members, since there is no further interest in this matter, I will defer putting the question to the next time it is scheduled in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE LEARNERS WITH DISABILITIES BILL

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bisau.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are not supporting it, but seconding it.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kwanza, this Bill establishes a board.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am asking if you propose another body or agency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Nyatike. Hon. Odege, this is your chance. Hon. Tom Odege (Nyatike, ODM) : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to join my colleagues in supporting this timely Bill. In the last Parliament, I served on the Departmental Committee on Labour...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Runyenjes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Just a minute. There is a Member with her hands up all the time. Is anything out of order? Hon. Chelule, I cannot give you the microphone because you do not have your card, but you keep raising your hands up. Just get a...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marsabit.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Those Members who have their hands raised on the majority side, we have already given three opportunities on this side, consecutively. Let the minority side also have a chance. Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Laikipia East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kwanza, this Bill establishes a board.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I am asking if you propose another body or agency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Nyatike. Hon. Odege, this is your chance. Hon. Tom Odege (Nyatike, ODM) : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to join my colleagues in supporting this timely Bill. In the last Parliament, I served on the Departmental Committee on Labour...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Runyenjes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Just a minute. There is a Member with her hands up all the time. Is anything out of order? Hon. Chelule, I cannot give you the microphone because you do not have your card, but you keep raising your hands up. Just get a...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marsabit.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Those Members who have their hands raised on the majority side, we have already given three opportunities on this side, consecutively. Let the minority side also have a chance. Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Laikipia East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Isiolo County, follow up with the Member after two weeks. Next is Hon. Rashid Bedzimba. RECOGNITION CRITERIA OF CERTIFICATES FROM INTERNATIONAL SCHOOLS

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Member, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tinderet, you are the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education. How long will it take you to respond to this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, I want us to skip Order No.7 and go directly to Order No.8. PROCEDURAL MOTION EXEMPTION OF BUSINESS FROM PROVISIONS OF STANDING ORDER 40(3)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Junet Mohamed, you are seconding this Motion. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that the mood of the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING AND COMBATING OF TERRORISM FINANCING LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, we concluded the Committee of the whole House on this Bill. What remained was for the Question to be...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Murugara, you are seconding a very special Motion, and I request that you proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Junet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga, I am curious; you being a senior lawyer, is having money in your house evidence of crime?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The last Member to contribute on this matter will be Hon. Elachi. 16th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 4

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Members. I want to put the Question. I confirm there is Quorum. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) Next Order. SPECIAL MOTIONS APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT AS PRINCIPAL SECRETARIES FOR PUBLIC INVESTMENTS...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Isiolo County, follow up with the Member after two weeks. Next is Hon. Rashid Bedzimba. RECOGNITION CRITERIA OF CERTIFICATES FROM INTERNATIONAL SCHOOLS

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Member, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tinderet, you are the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education. How long will it take you to respond to this matter?