David Ouma Ochieng'

You do not need to say anything on that, do you? Go ahead.

Thank you. Well said. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM) : On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. You surely know there is nothing out of order there.

Hon. Orero, umeridhika?

Okay, she thinks about you every time. Hon. Members, before we go to the next Order, join me to welcome students seated in the Public Gallery. They are:Nguluni Secondary School, Kaiti Constituency, Makueni County. In the Speaker’s Gallery, we have South Tetu Girls High School, Mukurweini Constituency, Nyeri County. They...

Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

Hon. Orero is here, he is back but I will not give him a chance because if he is your junior, then he cannot comment on those kind of matters as regards you especially. Hon. Kaluma, on this issue of harmonisation, one minute.

(Bill deferred)Thank you. In view of the fact that this matter of harmonisation has taken a long time, more than a year, I order that a report of that exercise of harmonisation be brought to the House on Wednesday, next week. I hope you understand that we want a report...

Thank you very much, Hon. Timothy. For the reasons advanced by Hon. Timothy this Bill is also stood down to the next time it is put in the Order Paper. I will not be able to say when as of now.(Bill deferred)Thank you. MANDATORY USE OF PUBLIC HEALTHCARE FACILITIES BY...

Give me one minute, Hon. Pauline. Members, join me in welcoming students from DEB Kianda Primary School, Buuri Constituency, Meru County, and students from Bishop Lawrence Bessone Primary School, North Imenti, Meru County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this morning in the House of Parliament.(Applause)

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Member for Emurua Dikirr.

Thank you. Members, I have a list. You are all my friends, so as usual, I will follow the list. Raising your hand up will not help you in this regard. (Laughter)(Applause)(Applause)

Well said. Thank you. Next is the Member for Tinderet.

Hon. Members, this is the third time Hon. Oundo is asking this question. We have the books and they are public documents. They are for Members of Parliament and everyone else. Hon. Oundo, I will not entertain a question like that because every Member has access to these books.

You can see how much is going to health, transport and all the other programmes as indicated. We will be repeating ourselves. Not unless you are seeking a clarification but, in terms of the numbers, these are clearly in the books. (Programmes 0201000, 0203000, 0204000 and 0216000 agreed to) (Vote...

Hon. Mayaka, what is out of order?

It is not showing on my end.

Thank you so much, Hon. Member. That is what I was speaking to. I have given direction that it must be availed to all Members before the end of the day. The Chairperson has undertaken that it shall be done. Because of the many amendments that have been done in...

Order, Members. (Programmes 0621000 agreed to) (Vote 2141 agreed to) VOTE 2151 – INDEPENDENT POLICING OVERSIGHT AUTHORITY Hon. Mayaka.

I do not want a debate on this matter. Hon. Bashir. (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record)

Hon. Oundo.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Environmental Management and Coordination (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.66 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

Well said. Hon. Members, join me in recognising and welcoming students seated at the Speaker’s Gallery. They are: Mt. Kenya State Road Academy, Kieni Constituency, Nyeri County and St. Benedict’s Wamutitu Secondary School, Mukurweini Constituency, Nyeri County. We also have students from Tassia Primary School, Embakasi East, Nairobi County who...

Well said. Let us hear from the Member for Kirinyaga.

Thank you and well said. Join me in welcoming students from…. (Hon. Yusuf Adan spoke off the record) Hon. Adan, there are four Members before you. I will give opportunities to them and then I will give you. Relax. (Laughter)(Applause)

Member for Seme.

Well said. Member for Eldas.

Thank you. Well said. Hon. Members, today we have a number of schools visiting us. Seated in the Public Gallery are students from Masinga Girls, Masinga Constituency in Machakos County. Seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Moi Girls Isinya, Kajiado East Constituency in Kajiado County. They are all...

Member for Teso South.

Member for Saku.

One minute. Members, you know what I do when I am presiding. I will not skip anybody. I will follow the list in the way you came. Just relax, bide your time and speak based on what time you came. Go ahead.

Well said. Next is the Member for Narok North, Hon. Pareyio.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Busia County.

Member for Mandera West.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Nambale, Hon. Mulanya.

Well said. Member for Kisumu East.

Member for Keiyo North.

Well said. Member for Nyamira.

Thank you. Before I give a chance to the next Member to contribute, join me in welcoming students from Weithaga Boys High School from Kiharu Constituency, Murang’a County and St. Joseph Matiku Secondary School from Kibwezi West Constituency, Makueni County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon and...

Member for Turkana East.

Member for Tinderet.

Hon. Mutunga.

Hon. Members, that marks the end of the Second Reading debate on the Agriculture and Livestock Extension Services Bill (Senate Bill No.12 of 2022) . For obvious reasons, the Question will be put the next time the Bill will be slotted in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred)...

Hon. Muchira.

Thank you. Hon. Oundo, do you want to speak to this?

Hon. Omanyo, do you want to speak to this?

Hon. Members, since there is no further interest in this matter, the Motion is clearly spent. The decision on this Motion will be made the next time it is in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON CONSIDERATION OF IMPLEMENTATION OF UN SECURITY...

Hon. Onchoke.

Thank you. Hon. (Dr) Oundo, do you want to contribute to this matter?

Okay, let us hear from Hon. Melly, who wishes to contribute.

Hon. Members, since there is no further interest in this matter, I will defer putting the question to the next time it is scheduled in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE LEARNERS WITH DISABILITIES BILL

Hon. Bisau.

Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Member for Machakos County.

Member for Ol Jorok, you may proceed.

Hon. Member for Teso South, would you like to speak on this matter? Go ahead.

Hon. Makali Mulu, go ahead.

Member for Kipkelion East.

I have skipped Member for Funyula three times. Allow me to give him the opportunity to contribute. Go ahead.

You will have a balance of four minutes next time this Bill is ready for debate in the House. ADJOURNMENT Order, Hon. Emaase! Hon. Members, the time being 7.00 p.m., the House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 29th April 2025, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 7.00 p.m. Published by...

Member for Marsabit.

Those Members who have their hands raised on the majority side, we have already given three opportunities on this side, consecutively. Let the minority side also have a chance. Member for Seme.

Thank you. Member for Laikipia East.

Just a minute. There is a Member with her hands up all the time. Is anything out of order? Hon. Chelule, I cannot give you the microphone because you do not have your card, but you keep raising your hands up. Just get a card. Members, I assure you that...

Member for Kwanza.

Member for Nambale.

Thank you. Member for Nyatike. Hon. Odege, this is your chance. Hon. Tom Odege (Nyatike, ODM) : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to join my colleagues in supporting this timely Bill. In the last Parliament, I served on the Departmental Committee on Labour and Social Protection and I detected...

Hon. Member for Runyenjes.

Hon. Osoro, what are you doing on your seat? Let the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, Hon. Members. I now confirm that we quorate. Deputy Chief Whip of the Majority Party.

Chairperson of the Public ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF STATE CORPORATIONS (CENTRAL REGION) FOR FINANCIAL YEARS 2018/2019, 2019/2020 AND 2020/2021

Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, I want us to skip Order No.7 and go directly to Order No.8. PROCEDURAL MOTION EXEMPTION OF BUSINESS FROM PROVISIONS OF STANDING ORDER 40(3)

Hon. Junet Mohamed, you are seconding this Motion.

Next Order. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING AND COMBATING OF TERRORISM FINANCING LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Members, we concluded the Committee of the whole House on this Bill. What remained was for the Question to be put. (Question put and agreed to) THE ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING AND COMBATING OF...

Hon. Junet.

Hon. Chepkonga

The last Member to contribute on this matter will be Hon. Elachi.

Thank you, Members. I want to put the Question. I confirm there is Quorum. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) Next Order. SPECIAL MOTIONS APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT AS PRINCIPAL SECRETARIES FOR PUBLIC INVESTMENTS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT, AND ECONOMIC PLANNING...

I have not seen any monkey in the House this morning.

What is the point of order Hon. Farah Maalim. Hon. Farah Maalim (Dadaab, WDM) : I want to set the record straight. In North Eastern, we do not eat monkeys. He comes from Nyanza. We do not skin monkeys. For the record, that only applies where he represents in Parliament....

Give Hon. Sirma the microphone.

Leader of the Majority Party, act accordingly and desist from using terms that would cause many---

Order! Order! This Motion is coming up for debate shortly and anybody who wants to say something about it will have the chance then. Leader of the Majority Party, proceed and conclude.

Leader of the Minority Party, proceed.

Some Members are already raising their hands up, even those who have just walked into the Chamber now. (Question proposed)

(Technical hitch) . I can deal with it. I do not need assistance on this matter. Just one minute, Hon. Junet.

Order! We will not go there. The Leader of the Majority Party, you will take two minutes at most.

I do not think I need to say anything on this matter. As recent as when we passed the appointment of the current Cabinet Secretary of Energy and Petroleum and the Cabinet Secretary of the National Treasury and Economic Planning, the Speaker gave a ruling on this matter less than...

Hon. Farah Maalim.

Member of Marsabit County.

Member for Uasin Gishu County.

Hon. Melly, I already said I will not give anybody a chance to raise a point of order because I know you want to debate. We are not going to allow you to debate using a point of order. What is it?

Order, Hon. Members. (Hon. Gladys Boss stood in her place) Hon. Member for Uasin Gishu County, take your seat. On this occasion, as Members, you would know that the Speaker is allowed to determine whether a point of order like the one raised now would undermine Members’ rights to contribute,...

I am going to give four more Hon. Members, a chance to contribute. If you took as little time as Hon. Deputy Speaker has done, then we would have more of you speaking. Take two minutes at most then we can proceed. Hon. Zamzam, you are next in line.

Member for Eldas. Use the microphone next to you. You have two minutes.

Member for Baringo.

Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Minority Whip.

Members, I have noted a great deal of interest in this matter, but we must close it. I will give the Floor to the Member for Kilgoris, and we shall conclude with the Member for Kilifi North.

Hon. Millie, he is merely speaking. What is out of order? Hon. Sunkuli, please, you need to finalise.

Thank you. Hon. Sunkuli.

Hon. (Dr) Nyamai.

Thank you. Hon. Baya, proceed.

Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

Thank you. The Mover may proceed.

Hon. Members at the back, take your seats. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : They should serve with the same dedication they demonstrated while serving in their other capacities. I beg to reply. Hon. Members, thank you so much. I now want to put the Question. (Several Hon. Members were...

Member for Tinderet, you are the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education. How long will it take you to respond to this matter?

Member for Isiolo County, follow up with the Member after two weeks. Next is Hon. Rashid Bedzimba. RECOGNITION CRITERIA OF CERTIFICATES FROM INTERNATIONAL SCHOOLS

I order the Quorum Bell to run for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I order that the Quorum Bell be stopped. Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, I wish to re-organise the Order Paper. (Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri consulted loudly) Order, Hon. Rindikiri, Member for Buuri. We...

Hon. Atandi, you must get used to this now.

Next Order. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL

Hon. Pukose.

Okay. Hon Members, having THE BASIC EDUCATION (AMENDMENT) BILL

Thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS HIGH FREQUENCY OF ACCIDENTS ALONG THE LIKONI-LUNGA-LUNGA HIGHWAY.

I saw the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in the House this morning. Is the Vice-Chairperson in? Hon. Osoro, this will be under your charge. How long do you think the Committee will take to respond to this request for a Statement by the Member for...

Please proceed as you suggested. The answer should be given in two weeks. The Member for Eldas is in the House. Please proceed with your request for a Statement. KALA-AZAR VIRUS OUTBREAK IN WAJIR COUNTY

Order, I see the Member for Seme is in the House. Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, I hope you realise that you are now the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health. The Member for Endebess is no longer the Chairperson. The request for a Statement being sought now is to your...

Proceed with the request; do not lecture him yet.

You cannot go beyond that, Hon. Member. You know this very well. I have allowed you to read beyond what you gave to the Table Office, so I request that you read it the way it is.

Thank you. Before I ask the Member for Seme to say something on this Statement, the Member for Marsabit, Hon. Waqo, has something to add.

Thank you. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health.

From what you have heard, this is an emergency. You are probably aware that there is already a testing machine as you enter Isiolo County. I have been told there is a testing place where people are being tested for this Kala-azar Virus. This is an emergency that should not...

Okay. Member for Eldas.

Okay, fair enough. Member for Endebess.

Member for Eldas, this is not a matter of argument.

The record is quite straight because I listened to you. Member for Seme, the response to this Statement will be brought up on Tuesday afternoon. Even as you stand to give the clarification, ensure that it is brought on Tuesday. Today is Wednesday. This is an outbreak. We want the...

That is good progress and fair enough. We look forward to getting this response as soon as possible, but not later than Tuesday next week. Members, for the convenience of the House and following consultations with the leadership, we will dispense with Order No. 13 first, and then we will...

Order. We just called a new Order, and I do not see how what you are asking relates to the Order we just called. Hon. Joseph Gitari (Kirinyaga Central, UDA) : I had called for a write-up before then, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Would you approach the Temporary Speaker? Hon. Mutunga....

Is it the mood of the House that we ask the Mover to reply to this Motion?

Hon. Member for Alego Usonga Constituency.

(Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Kimani Kuria.

I would like to know whether you come from the same place as Hon. Kuria Kimani. Give the Leader of the Majority Party 30 seconds to tell me where he comes from. I thought it was Kikuyu.

Hon. Kuria Kimani, you can speak for yourself on this matter.

Thank you. Hon. Members, before I propose the Question for the Bill to be debated, join me in welcoming students from Jabali Primary and Junior Secondary School, Kiambaa Constituency, Kiambu County, and students from Save Our Souls Junior Secondary School, Nyali, Mombasa County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings...

Thank you. The Member for Buuri.

Member for Kitui Rural, I want to deny you this chance because you do not trust the system. You should trust the system next time and stay in your seat. I would have skipped you if I were not having a good morning. I would like Members to trust the...

I yield the Floor to him, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is the longest I have had to wait to speak. I agree with Hon. Junet, who is my friend, on all he has said. The Senate amendments to the Houses of Parliament (Bicameral Relations) Bill are all in bad faith and must be rejected. I have...

I now call upon the Chairperson to report to the House.

Thank you. Mover, Hon. Atandi.

Hon. Pukose.

Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, we will defer the putting of the Question to the next time the House sits. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Members, we will defer this Bill to the next time it will be on the Order Paper.

Hon. Members, I have listened to the Member for Funyula. Therefore, I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I order the Bell to be stopped. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being

Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

I see the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya.

Well said. Hon. Members, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Christ the King School in Nakuru East, Nakuru County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Join me in welcoming them to the august House. Thank you. Hon. Maero Oyula.

Thank you. Member for Gatanga.

Member for Marakwet West.

Member for Butere.

Next in line is Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Thank you. Hon. Members. Seated in the Speaker's Gallery are students visiting from St. Gertrude Kinthithe Secondary School of Runyenjes Constituency in Embu County; and seated in the Public Gallery are students from Oloirien Junior School of Kajiado West Constituency in Kajiado. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this...

Thank you. (Students clapped for Hon. George Sunkuyia) We do not allow the guests to clap. Hon. Sunkuyia, I do not know what you told your students but, next time, they should not clap. Member for Funyula.

Member for Kwanza.

Thank you. Member for Yatta.

Member for Homa Bay Town Constituency.

Thank you. Hon. Jackson Kosgei, do you want to say something on this?

Thank you. Member for Garissa Town, Hon. Dekow. Where is your card?

Hon. Member for Saku.

Member for Seme, did you want to speak on this? Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Yes. Okay, go ahead. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support that we should sign this agreement. My main...

Hon. Melly, we are 43rd in the ratification of the agreement. Other countries are already on board. We have delayed. The Corporation is already working. That is why we are expediting the ratification of the agreement. Hon. Members, there being no further interest to contribute to this Motion, I request...

Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion will be made the next time it will be listed in the Order Paper for obvious reasons. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) Hon. Tindi Mwale, I am sure you have been taking enough water waiting for this Motion. Go ahead. ADOPTION...