David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, Members. Resume your seats. I can confirm that we have quorum. Therefore, we can proceed. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawaya, Member for Mwala, you have a petition....

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Liaise with the Member. 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 4 STATUS OF EVICTION OF GONA FAMILY FROM LAND REGISTERED LR NO. MN11783 BY MAHMOUD ON 11TH OCTOBER 2024

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly. You will have the last word on this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai. 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Chesumei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The daughter is not dead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kesses, two minutes also.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You know Kenyans do not… When you put abbreviations and say ‘my committee’…

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is Hon. Lochakapong in the House? The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Regional Development, the request for a Statement is accordingly committed to that Committee. I can see the Member for Turkana Central. I cannot see your card. Please press the intervention button.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Donya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose, I will add you 30 seconds to wind up your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let Hon. Wanami have the first bite because it was his Statement. Thank you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Caroli. Can you withdraw what you just said? What did you say?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs, this is a very straightforward request. I am sure you have listened to it. How soon can you respond?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Melly, you wanted to say something on this subject.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Emathe you have one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I think so much has been said about Moi University so far. Hon. Chairman, you have your work cut out and I wish you all the best. Before we go to the next Order, I want to give the Hon. Member for Kisii County...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, your presiding Chair for today went to Moi University. As I sit here listening to the Report by Hon. Melly, I can tell you for sure that the Report is so underwhelming. There is nothing you will achieve with that Report. What...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed to wind up.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is Hon. Mbiuki or any Member of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife in the House? I would like to order that this Statement be processed jointly by the Departmental Committee on Regional Development and the Departmental Committee on Tourism and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it true that he left in 2013?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kakai.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Well done. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUESTS FOR STATEMENTS Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is Hon. Cecilia, the Member for Turkana County in the House? Go ahead. URGENT INTERVENTIONS FOR RESIDENTS AFFECTED BY CROCODILE 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Member. Hon. Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Caroli. This chance goes to the Member for Nairobi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairman, the Ministry of Interior and National Administration will have a role to play if there is no order barring the burial and someone stopping the burial. Hon. Chonga says that there is no court order barring the burial. You need to get...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I will give three Members two minutes each, for a chance to speak. Hon. Onchoke!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member on the aisle, take a seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is not your role at all. You know that very well. Next is the Member for Uasin Gishu.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Emathe. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not have a committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') That is very well said. This is a straightforward matter. It would be okay if the Chairman could help Hon. Chonga and his constituents get the body buried. As for now, I do not know what you would want to say about that as...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I knew Hon. Opore. He was a gentleman and an old man of the House. Let us observe a moment of silence. (The House observed a moment of silence) 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)May the Lord...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chonga, you have heard the response? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Oundo, two minutes.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered Senate amendments to the Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 21 of 2023) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, the closure of Moi University is disheartening. There is neither urgency nor any effort that is made towards its immediate re- opening. This is a scandal. As the Ministry and the Committee concerned bring a proper statement to this House, can they tell...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Thuku.

(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Yes,

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)I would allow any intervention, if there is any. Yes, Hon. Milemba.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Liaise with the Member. 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 4 STATUS OF EVICTION OF GONA FAMILY FROM LAND REGISTERED LR NO. MN11783 BY MAHMOUD ON 11TH OCTOBER 2024

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly. You will have the last word on this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai. 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Chesumei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The daughter is not dead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kesses, two minutes also.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You know Kenyans do not… When you put abbreviations and say ‘my committee’…

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is Hon. Lochakapong in the House? The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Regional Development, the request for a Statement is accordingly committed to that Committee. I can see the Member for Turkana Central. I cannot see your card. Please press the intervention button.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Donya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose, I will add you 30 seconds to wind up your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let Hon. Wanami have the first bite because it was his Statement. Thank you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Caroli. Can you withdraw what you just said? What did you say?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs, this is a very straightforward request. I am sure you have listened to it. How soon can you respond?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Melly, you wanted to say something on this subject.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Emathe you have one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I think so much has been said about Moi University so far. Hon. Chairman, you have your work cut out and I wish you all the best. Before we go to the next Order, I want to give the Hon. Member for Kisii County...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, your presiding Chair for today went to Moi University. As I sit here listening to the Report by Hon. Melly, I can tell you for sure that the Report is so underwhelming. There is nothing you will achieve with that Report. What...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed to wind up.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is Hon. Mbiuki or any Member of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife in the House? I would like to order that this Statement be processed jointly by the Departmental Committee on Regional Development and the Departmental Committee on Tourism and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it true that he left in 2013?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kakai.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Well done. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUESTS FOR STATEMENTS Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is Hon. Cecilia, the Member for Turkana County in the House? Go ahead. URGENT INTERVENTIONS FOR RESIDENTS AFFECTED BY CROCODILE 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Member. Hon. Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Caroli. This chance goes to the Member for Nairobi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairman, the Ministry of Interior and National Administration will have a role to play if there is no order barring the burial and someone stopping the burial. Hon. Chonga says that there is no court order barring the burial. You need to get...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I will give three Members two minutes each, for a chance to speak. Hon. Onchoke!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member on the aisle, take a seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is not your role at all. You know that very well. Next is the Member for Uasin Gishu.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Emathe. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not have a committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') That is very well said. This is a straightforward matter. It would be okay if the Chairman could help Hon. Chonga and his constituents get the body buried. As for now, I do not know what you would want to say about that as...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I knew Hon. Opore. He was a gentleman and an old man of the House. Let us observe a moment of silence. (The House observed a moment of silence) 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)May the Lord...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chonga, you have heard the response? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Oundo, two minutes.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered Senate amendments to the Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 21 of 2023) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, the closure of Moi University is disheartening. There is neither urgency nor any effort that is made towards its immediate re- opening. This is a scandal. As the Ministry and the Committee concerned bring a proper statement to this House, can they tell...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Thuku.

(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Yes,

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)I would allow any intervention, if there is any. Yes, Hon. Milemba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Butula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Parliament for Soy.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Member for Endebess.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Article 132 of the Constitution of Kenya provides that the President will, every year, give a report to this House on the steps taken to implement Article 10. Article 10 is the ‘soul’ of the nation. Article 10 is...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Coalition agreements are between and among parties. If, for example, the MDG, which I run has shares in the government, the shares are for the whole country, and not for a tribe or an individual. I must say that we will impeach him but all...

Commissioner Patrick Makau.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. I would have loved to give Hon. Kitur a chance but what will he be contributing on? You have already made your closing argument. You have replied. You should have given him a chance before you started replying. Hon. Kitur,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Next is the Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Mukurweini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Your request that the decision on this Motion be made the next time it is put on the Order Paper is acceded to; we will vote on it when it appears next in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is the mood of the House that we call the Mover to reply? The Hon. Sonko Nelson Koech, you have a chance to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, what is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is your point of order, Member for Suba South?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. We have time to listen to the Member for Githunguri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you too. Hon. Members, there being no further interest on this Bill, I call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. You came prepared for this debate. Is the Member for Central Imenti in the House? He already spoke. The Member for Tharaka also spoke. The Member for Wajir North, Hon. Ibrahim Saney.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Millie.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the matter raised by the Member for Suba South is self-explanatory. As you know, when that happens, my hands get tied. I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Buuri.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank Hon. Brighton and the Member from Kisii. The way we treat farmers in this country leaves so much to be desired. The only people who now earn an honest living, because we know where they get...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Uriri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that the mood of the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Lastly, let us have the Member for South Imenti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Zamzam.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The decision on this Motion as requested by the Hon. Member will be made the next time the Motion is listed on the Order Paper. 25th September 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Esther Passaris. COMPREHENSIVE REFORM OF...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nabulindo, this is a chance to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, do you want to contribute to this debate?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. Before we move to the next Order, join me in welcoming students of Masinde Muliro University from Kakamega County; Brook Hill Academy from Embakasi East, Nairobi County, and Githuguchu Primary School from Ndaragwa, Nyandarua County. They are seated in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Bobasi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nairobi County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Uasin Gishu County.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank Hon. Brighton and the Member from Kisii. The way we treat farmers in this country leaves so much to be desired. The only people who now earn an honest living, because we know where they get...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Uriri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that the mood of the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Lastly, let us have the Member for South Imenti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Zamzam.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The decision on this Motion as requested by the Hon. Member will be made the next time the Motion is listed on the Order Paper. 25th September 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Esther Passaris. COMPREHENSIVE REFORM OF...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nabulindo, this is a chance to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, do you want to contribute to this debate?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. Before we move to the next Order, join me in welcoming students of Masinde Muliro University from Kakamega County; Brook Hill Academy from Embakasi East, Nairobi County, and Githuguchu Primary School from Ndaragwa, Nyandarua County. They are seated in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Bobasi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nairobi County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Uasin Gishu County.