David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbadi, there is a point of order that I want to listen to. Hon. Ruku, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. I have been sitting here listening to him. I have not heard him talk about the Kenya Kwanza Government in his statement, at all. Unless you point out what is out of order, I will request that you resume your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Ruku, resume your seat. I know that you want to speak on this matter. You will have a chance to contribute to this matter. We will now allow Hon. Mbadi to conclude. What is out of order, Hon. Junet Mohamed? It...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Correct. Let him now do that. You may resume your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') You are moving a Motion for the Financial Year 2020/2021 and not the current one.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Oundo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I add you one minute so that you can conclude and second.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Soy.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Go ahead, Hon. Wangwe. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kiplagat, are you reading from the Report or this is a story from somewhere else?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Molo. Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to add my voice to the debate on the NADCO Report. This Report hopes to solve the conflicts that we experience after every election. Sadly, we have to fold our country every...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Magarini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Ainabkoi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) …Garissa Township.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will allow each Member one minute to contribute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Robert Basil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Barrow.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gatundu South, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. You may now take your seats. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order Members. Chairperson.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Betty Maina.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can you proceed and prosecute your point of order. Remember to address the Hon. Temporary Speaker. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Loud consultations) ADOPTION OF REPORT OF THE NATIONAL DIALOGUE COMMITTEE

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mr Point of Order, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Manyatta.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairperson. I agree with Hon. Oundo on one thing. This affordable housing scheme will either succeed or fall depending on the discipline with which we implement it. Once we pass this, as a House, we must ensure that our oversight is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Owen Baya, the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party and Member for Kilifi North, to second the Motion for agreement with...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Chair of the Committee. Sorry. Just a Minute. Let the Chair have a chance.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Members. (Question proposed) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) in the Chair] THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO. 75 OF 2023)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. Governments the world over get defined by the things they do during the time citizens give them to govern. Governments come to power with their plans. This Government has decided it will rise or fall with this...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is what a responsible opposition does. It does not just oppose for the sake of opposing. Opposition that is responsible provides solutions. We do not just say this is wrong. You tell us how to do it right. In this Bill,...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I have heard people talk about people contributing money yet they will not get houses. These are like those people who pay their taxes, which we use to pay school fees for our children, but they have no kids. There are those who pay their...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity. Governments the world over get defined by the things they do during the time citizens give them to govern. Governments come to power with their plans. This Government has decided it will rise or fall with this...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is what a responsible opposition does. It does not just oppose for the sake of opposing. Opposition that is responsible provides solutions. We do not just say this is wrong. You tell us how to do it right. In this Bill,...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I have heard people talk about people contributing money yet they will not get houses. These are like those people who pay their taxes, which we use to pay school fees for our children, but they have no kids. There are those who pay their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can use any language.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Wanjala. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, let us proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Baya. Take your seat. Order. Did you use the word chokoras?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbadi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have less now.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, allow Hon. Mbadi to finish…

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next on the board… I am told the card for the Member for Homa Bay County had malfunctioned. This opportunity will go to her. Just give her the microphone wherever she is.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is the Member of Parliament for Homa Bay County. I hope Hon. Wandayi noted that. The Member for Kwanza, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanyonyi, go ahead with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Githunguri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)One minute, Hon. Gathoni

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I think the Honorable. Member, who is my friend wanted to inform me, but he did not ask me for permission to be informed because I do not think I was out of order. So, next time, do not misuse the Standing...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, there is a point of order by the Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, it better be a point of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Nyikal. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record) Order, Leader of the Majority Party. This is a report of the Bill. The report cannot stand without the Bill; it is a report of the Bill. I believe that the report informed the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Do not get distracted.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will now have the Member for Jomvu. (Hon. Mishi Mboko spoke off the record)

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, do you want to be informed by the Leader of the Minority Party?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) One minute.

Nimempa ruhusa anieleze.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, please resume your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I believe he is now informed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Majority Whip, and the Leader of the Majority Party. You will listen to Hon. Bady. Hon. Bady Twalib (Jomvu, ODM) : Mtachukua muda wangu sana. Katika haya ninayosema, nilisikitika sana kwa sababu Jomvu na Changamwe ni kama mjomba na shangazi. Ni maeneo Bunge...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. You have had a very robust debate on this matter this afternoon. Hon. Mbadi will have a balance of four minutes when this business is next slotted for debate. The time being 7.01 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can use any language.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Wanjala. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, let us proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Baya. Take your seat. Order. Did you use the word chokoras?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbadi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have less now.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, allow Hon. Mbadi to finish…

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next on the board… I am told the card for the Member for Homa Bay County had malfunctioned. This opportunity will go to her. Just give her the microphone wherever she is.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is the Member of Parliament for Homa Bay County. I hope Hon. Wandayi noted that. The Member for Kwanza, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanyonyi, go ahead with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Githunguri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)One minute, Hon. Gathoni

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I think the Honorable. Member, who is my friend wanted to inform me, but he did not ask me for permission to be informed because I do not think I was out of order. So, next time, do not misuse the Standing...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, there is a point of order by the Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, it better be a point of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Nyikal. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record) Order, Leader of the Majority Party. This is a report of the Bill. The report cannot stand without the Bill; it is a report of the Bill. I believe that the report informed the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Do not get distracted.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will now have the Member for Jomvu. (Hon. Mishi Mboko spoke off the record)

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, do you want to be informed by the Leader of the Minority Party?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) One minute.

Nimempa ruhusa anieleze.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, please resume your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I believe he is now informed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Majority Whip, and the Leader of the Majority Party. You will listen to Hon. Bady. Hon. Bady Twalib (Jomvu, ODM) : Mtachukua muda wangu sana. Katika haya ninayosema, nilisikitika sana kwa sababu Jomvu na Changamwe ni kama mjomba na shangazi. Ni maeneo Bunge...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can use any language.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Igembe South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Wanjala. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, let us proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Baya. Take your seat. Order. Did you use the word chokoras?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbadi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have less now.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, allow Hon. Mbadi to finish…

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next on the board… I am told the card for the Member for Homa Bay County had malfunctioned. This opportunity will go to her. Just give her the microphone wherever she is.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is the Member of Parliament for Homa Bay County. I hope Hon. Wandayi noted that. The Member for Kwanza, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanyonyi, go ahead with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Githunguri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)One minute, Hon. Gathoni

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I think the Honorable. Member, who is my friend wanted to inform me, but he did not ask me for permission to be informed because I do not think I was out of order. So, next time, do not misuse the Standing...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, there is a point of order by the Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, it better be a point of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Nyikal. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record) Order, Leader of the Majority Party. This is a report of the Bill. The report cannot stand without the Bill; it is a report of the Bill. I believe that the report informed the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Do not get distracted.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will now have the Member for Jomvu. (Hon. Mishi Mboko spoke off the record)

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, do you want to be informed by the Leader of the Minority Party?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) One minute.

Nimempa ruhusa anieleze.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bady, please resume your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I believe he is now informed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Majority Whip, and the Leader of the Majority Party. You will listen to Hon. Bady. Hon. Bady Twalib (Jomvu, ODM) : Mtachukua muda wangu sana. Katika haya ninayosema, nilisikitika sana kwa sababu Jomvu na Changamwe ni kama mjomba na shangazi. Ni maeneo Bunge...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I agree with the Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority Party. I do not think that this matter should get here every year. This House sits and approves a budget and even a...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I agree with the Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority Party. I do not think that this matter should get here every year. This House sits and approves a budget and even a...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Leader of the Majority Party and Member for Kikuyu. We keep losing Kikuyu as a constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give him a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Putting of the Question on the Report of the House on the National Lottery Bill is deferred to Tuesday afternoon next week. ADOPTION OF SESSIONAL PAPER NO.2 OF 2023: THE NATIONAL TAX POLICY The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, debate on this Motion...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. We will wait for Members to come on Tuesday afternoon and do the needful.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Give him a microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you Members, for your industriousness and patience during the Committee of the whole House. I call on the Temporary Chairlady to report to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have actually given you ten minutes and you have exhausted the ten already. You have one minute to finish.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, Leader of the Majority Party. I need to inform you that all of us are waiting for the day you will announce the members of the State capture commission. You keep on talking about it. Everyone is asking when it will be...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thirty seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, I think the National Assembly was a party to this suit. Advise them to appeal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, Leader of the Majority Party. I need to inform you that all of us are waiting for the day you will announce the members of the State capture commission. You keep on talking about it. Everyone is asking when it will be...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thirty seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you Members, for your industriousness and patience during the Committee of the whole House. I call on the Temporary Chairlady to report to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Give him a microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. We will wait for Members to come on Tuesday afternoon and do the needful.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Putting of the Question on the Report of the House on the National Lottery Bill is deferred to Tuesday afternoon next week. ADOPTION OF SESSIONAL PAPER NO.2 OF 2023: THE NATIONAL TAX POLICY The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, debate on this Motion...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give him a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Leader of the Majority Party and Member for Kikuyu. We keep losing Kikuyu as a constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, I think the National Assembly was a party to this suit. Advise them to appeal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have actually given you ten minutes and you have exhausted the ten already. You have one minute to finish.