David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How many years do you have to wait before you make that quick money? Hon. Phylis Bartoo (Moiben, UDA) : Within two years. It is very lucrative because within two years, you get money, firewood and shade. In places where trees take a long...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Wajir North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Umulkher Harun. 13th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. (Dr) Oundo, you need to plant more trees especially in Odiado Hills. You need to get the best species for Odiado Hills. Let us hear the Member for Moiben.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kangogo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, but there is nothing like “SHU.” Hon. Wamuchomba, what is out of order? If it is about the timing, then the point has been ably made by Hon. Junet. We need to hold our horses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will make a ruling on this. Hon. Members, looking at the Order Paper, I direct that the notice given by Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo, the Member for Rangwe, will be considered at five o'clock or upon the conclusion of Order No.11, whichever comes...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members! Kindly consult in low tones. Hon. Members, this notice of Motion is to discuss the status of SHIF. I confirm that the Member has the requisite support and, therefore, I direct that the debate on this matter begins at six o'clock...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Nyaribari Masaba. INSECURITY IN NYARIBARI MASABA

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are going to do that next. Is the Member for Saboti in the House? Hon. Amisi? These responses will be tabled accordingly and Members thereof lose any right to come and demand them on the Floor of the House. The responses to those...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! I am informed that Hon. Tandaza is not in the House and I do not know whether he assigned that to any other Member. If not, you can table the response and he will look at it when he comes to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. THE KENYA ROADS BOARD (AMENDMENT) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on the Second Reading of this Bill was concluded. Therefore, it is time to decide. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member from Kiambu, take it up with the Whip of the Majority Party so that the relevant Committee is informed accordingly.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. That is a fair comment on the matter. 12th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 10

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kawanjiku, as you walked in, I am sure you heard the displeasure of the membership and leadership about the attendance of the chairpersons and vice-chairpersons of committees in the House. I hope you heard the displeasure and you will deal with...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I saw the Chairperson of the concerned Committee here. This request is directed to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Yes, Hon. Tongoyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Is the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee or the Leader of the Majority Party present? This is a very urgent matter that requires immediate action. We cannot see the Chairperson or the Vice-Chairperson...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Hon. Kenneth Tungule raised his hand) Does the Hon. Member raising his hand not have a card? (Hon. Kenneth Tungule spoke off the record) I cannot see you on the screen since you do not have a card. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is very serious. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. That marks the end of Questions and Statements. I have been moved by the Chairman of the National 12th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Government Constituencies Development Committee that he has an announcement to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not have any minutes to donate to anybody. Hon. Members, you have heard what Hon. Toto has said happened at Longisa. All of us watched the news in horror. We will not debate this, but I will give a chance to the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. We are not going to debate Questions or Statements this afternoon. The next request for a Statement is by the nominated Member, Hon. Irene Mayaka. DECLARATION OF CERTAIN AREAS IN NYAMIRA COUNTY AS PROTECTED AREAS AND NATIONAL MONUMENTS

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thursday, next week makes a lot of sense. Not two weeks. Thank you. Hon. Manduku, it is Thursday, next week. (Hon. Julius Sunkuli spoke off the record) There is nothing out of order on that issue Hon. Sunkuli. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kitui Central, Dr Makali Mulu. STATUS OF COMPENSATION TO MASTER SIMON MUEMA FOR SEVERE INJURIES SUSTAINED FROM ELECTROCUTION

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Before I go to responses, there is a... (The Temporary Speaker consulted with the Clerks-at-the-Table) There are responses to requests for Statements to be issued by the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. The first response would be to a Statement requested...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tongoyo, you have heard. Hon. Sunkuli say that they have nothing to do with donkeys. Do not involve them on issues of donkeys. That is well said. Hon. Manduku, take it up with the Chairperson. He says he will bring a Statement on...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tongoyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. This request is directed to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Energy. Is the Chairperson present? I can see Hon. Kawaya, or is it Hon. Vincent Musau, in the House. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next one week is great. Hon. Makali, I think that is fair. Next is the Member for Kipipiri. The Questions appearing on the Order Paper of today as No.5 and No.6 are deferred to a later date. (Questions deferred) Go ahead. POINT OF...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kangogo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, but there is nothing like “SHU.” Hon. Wamuchomba, what is out of order? If it is about the timing, then the point has been ably made by Hon. Junet. We need to hold our horses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will make a ruling on this. Hon. Members, looking at the Order Paper, I direct that the notice given by Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo, the Member for Rangwe, will be considered at five o'clock or upon the conclusion of Order No.11, whichever comes...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members! Kindly consult in low tones. Hon. Members, this notice of Motion is to discuss the status of SHIF. I confirm that the Member has the requisite support and, therefore, I direct that the debate on this matter begins at six o'clock...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I confirm that we have quorum. We can proceed. Call out the Orders. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR PRESENCE OF DELEGATION FROM PARLIAMENT OF UGANDA IN SPEAKER’S ROW The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Take your seats. Hon. Members, I wish to make...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have also been to Rusinga Girls High School. Chairlady of Constitution Implementation Oversight Committee, Hon. Wamuchomba, Member for Githunguri, you have business in the House this afternoon. I hope you are aware. I assume that you are the Chairlady of the Constitution Implementation...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. You can lay the Papers. (Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba laid the Papers on the Table) Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Proceed to lay. (Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga laid the Paper on the Table) Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives, Hon. Gakuya. He seems not to be in. Hon. Marianne, are you the one standing...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed to lay. (Hon. Marianne Kitany laid the Paper on the Table) Finally, let us have Hon. Murugara, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. NOTICE OF ADJOURNMENT ON A MATTER OF URGENT NATIONAL IMPORTANCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOCIAL HEALTH INSURANCE FUND The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Rangwe, move your notice of Motion. 12th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kangogo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, but there is nothing like “SHU.” Hon. Wamuchomba, what is out of order? If it is about the timing, then the point has been ably made by Hon. Junet. We need to hold our horses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will make a ruling on this. Hon. Members, looking at the Order Paper, I direct that the notice given by Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo, the Member for Rangwe, will be considered at five o'clock or upon the conclusion of Order No.11, whichever comes...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members! Kindly consult in low tones. Hon. Members, this notice of Motion is to discuss the status of SHIF. I confirm that the Member has the requisite support and, therefore, I direct that the debate on this matter begins at six o'clock...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I confirm that we have quorum. We can proceed. Call out the Orders. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR PRESENCE OF DELEGATION FROM PARLIAMENT OF UGANDA IN SPEAKER’S ROW The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Take your seats. Hon. Members, I wish to make...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have also been to Rusinga Girls High School. Chairlady of Constitution Implementation Oversight Committee, Hon. Wamuchomba, Member for Githunguri, you have business in the House this afternoon. I hope you are aware. I assume that you are the Chairlady of the Constitution Implementation...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. You can lay the Papers. (Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba laid the Papers on the Table) Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Proceed to lay. (Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga laid the Paper on the Table) Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives, Hon. Gakuya. He seems not to be in. Hon. Marianne, are you the one standing...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed to lay. (Hon. Marianne Kitany laid the Paper on the Table) Finally, let us have Hon. Murugara, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. NOTICE OF ADJOURNMENT ON A MATTER OF URGENT NATIONAL IMPORTANCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOCIAL HEALTH INSURANCE FUND The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Rangwe, move your notice of Motion. 12th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, join me in recognising and welcoming students from Ngoswani Boarding Community School, Narok West Constituency in Narok County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this evening. (Hon. TJ Kajwang’ spoke off the record) Hon. TJ, are you contributing?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before you move, does the Board then have five members or there are other members of the Board?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, join me in recognising and welcoming students from Ngoswani Boarding Community School, Narok West Constituency in Narok County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this evening. (Hon. TJ Kajwang’ spoke off the record) Hon. TJ, are you contributing?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before you move, does the Board then have five members or there are other members of the Board?

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I could not agree more with the Hon. Senior Mr. Samuel Chepkong’a. But I want us to look at it from a different angle as you deliver the ruling. That the Senate, in their thirst and hunger for fame, bonga points and...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) That is the position, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We have said this before. That the senators are misguided in believing that the National Government-Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) belongs to Members of Parliament. It belongs to wananchi. No single Member of Parliament is allowed to sign a...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I could not agree more with the Hon. Senior Mr. Samuel Chepkong’a. But I want us to look at it from a different angle as you deliver the ruling. That the Senate, in their thirst and hunger for fame, bonga points and...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) That is the position, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We have said this before. That the senators are misguided in believing that the National Government-Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) belongs to Members of Parliament. It belongs to wananchi. No single Member of Parliament is allowed to sign a...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Petitions are usually committed to the Public Petitions Committee. I can see the Chairman, Hon. Mbai, is smiling. I hope you do justice to this particular Petition. I see no interventions on it. Let us move to the next Order. Hon. Temporary...