David Ouma Ochieng'

Thank you. Hon. Pukose.

Hon. Members, Hon. Osoro has proposed that we reduce the time for debating on this Bill, that is, the Facilities Improvement Financing Bill No. 43 of 2023, from the normal time to five minutes per Member contributing. (Question, that speaking time be reduced to five minutes, put and agreed to)...

Hon. John Mutunga.

Deputy Leader of the Minority Party. Member for Kathiani Constituency.

Hon. Nyikal.

Hon. Martin Wanyonyi. Is the Hon. Dekow Dalo in the House? Is that you? (Hon. Dekow Mohammed spoke off the record) Is that the Member for Garissa Township? Right after Hon. Martin.

I am grappling with what to do with the orange women high table. I do not know what to do because they are all lined up one after the other. I will give chances to two of them so that all of you share together. That is the team of...

Member for Narok North.

Member for Mosop.

Is the Member for Igembe Central, Hon. Daniel Karitho in the House? Let us have the Member for Bureti.

Member for Mombasa County.

Asante sana. Turudi Nairobi na twende Dagoretti Kaskazini.

Member for Lamu East.

Member for Marsabit. Please, give her five minutes. You alerted Hon. Ruweida when she still had two minutes so she had to wind up earlier.

Member for Ndhiwa.

Thank you. Order Members. Hon. Makilap has risen on his feet and claimed that we call the Mover to reply.

Order, Members. Order!

Hold on. Hon. Members, this is something that is very simple. You do not have to spend any energy or emotions on it. What Hon. Makilap has done is what is done normally. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Hon. Osoro. What Hon. Makilap has done is very normal....

Mover.

Thank you very much Hon. Baya. For obvious reasons, I will call the next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) THE PRIMARY HEALTHCARE BILL Who is moving? Is it the Majority Whip? Go ahead.

Hon. Ruku, you are allowed to ask Hon. Pukose for notes.

Thank you. (Question proposed) The first contributor will be Hon. Pukose.

Hon. Oluoch, you have had your day. This is my ruling on that matter. Based on what I have heard from Hon. Oluoch as his reasons for calling upon the Mover to reply, I direct that his standing up on Standing Order 95 is an abuse of our Standing Orders...

Hon. Anthony Oluoch.

Member for Migori, Hon. Fatuma Mohammed.

Hon. Mbai, I heard you complain. The last time I called you, you were in another world. This is your chance.

Thank you. Member of Baringo County. (Several Members raised hands) Members, refrain from carrying up your hands because I have a board I am looking at.

The Member for Nambale.

Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

That is in order. Go ahead, Hon. Mayaka.

Member for Seme.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Sotik, who will be followed by the Member for Trans Nzoia.

Thank you. Member of Parliament for Trans Nzoia County.

Thank you. Member of Parliament for Nakuru County.

Thank you. Member for Igembe Central, proceed.

Thank you. Member for Kisumu West, proceed.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo of Funyula Constituency. I hope that you take a short time like other Members.

Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Hon. Kiarie, you cannot shout ‘point of order’ from your seat. I cannot see your request. What is out of order? Is that the Member for Nyeri Town? (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off the record) That is the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia.

You will allow the Member on the Floor to finish her contribution.

Hon. Farah, we are dealing with a very difficult situation. Have one minute then. And I mean one minute.

Thank you very much. Hon. Members, the Member for Gatundu North, Hon. Kururia Elijah Njore Njoroge, rose on his feet and claimed that we should call the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that we call upon the Mover to reply?

Hon. Members, having confirmed that we are quorate, I will now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to Committee of the whole House) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being exactly 7.00 p.m., the House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 17th...

Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, will you resume your seat? (Loud consultations)

Thank you. Let us do so. This chance will go to Hon. Pukose to clarify the issues of amendments that were being raised and about the variances.

Thank you. Finally, Hon. Chairman.

Thank you. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to) (Clause 7 as amended agreed to) Clause 8

Thank you. Hon. Gikaria, this is your chance.

Thank you. Hon. Chairperson, do you still want to say something on this?

(Clause 25 as amended agreed to)Thank you.(Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)Clause 26 Hon. Chairperson, proceed.

Thank you. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Hon. Oluoch, proceed.

Thank you. Hon. Oundo, one minute.

Hon. Dawood.

Hon. Chairperson, respond to that quickly.

Thank you. (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to) (Clause 26 as amended...

Okay. I will listen to one person who has not spoken this evening; Hon. Shinali.

Order. Just take your seat for a minute, Hon. Ichung’wah.I, therefore, support the amendment. Please, you can put the Question. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Leader of the Majority Party, you need to consult with the Chairperson because he is proposing to do something different from what you have...

Thank you. (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, proposed) (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, put and agreed to) (Question, that the new clause be added to the Bill, put and agreed to) Hon. Members, I request we be attentive so that...

This can go either way, Hon. Members. Hon. Wangwe.

Mover.

I will allow the Chairperson to move the amendments. In fact, he has taken into account what was raised by Hon. Kajwang’ in the morning. He is proposing a further amendment. After he moves, if you can convince him to adopt your amendment, I am sure he is magnanimous enough...

Hon. Millie.

Thank you.(Question, that the word to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)(New Section 992A as amended agreed to)(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)(Provisions relating to the Companies Act, No.17 of 2015 as amended agreed to)Provisions Relating...

Thank you. Member for Kirinyaga Central.

Hon. Jalang’o, do not be fooled; he does not speak for ODM. Member for Suba South.

Thank you. I cannot see the Member for Mandera West and the Member for Kitui East. Where did they go? The Member for Marakwet West.

Member for Narok North.

Thank you. Hon Members, the time allotted for this Motion is spent. I, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply.

You will not have any minute left. Go ahead, Hon. Wanyonyi.

Who was next?

Hon. Amisi.

Hon. Amisi, your time is up. You actually only had one minute. Hon. Jalang’o, you have 30 seconds.

Thank you. Hon Members, we will not put the Question on that particular Motion for obvious reasons. I, therefore, call for the next Order. DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROGRAMME FOR VOLUNTARY REGULARISATION OF LAND OCCUPIED BY SQUATTERS FOR A PRESCRIBED PERIOD Hon. Mark Mwenje.

That is what he did. The Motion is his and he has done the right thing. He has presented the Motion and he is moving it. That is how it is done. Resume your seat Hon. Rindikiri.

Go ahead Hon. Mwenje. Do not allow Hon. Kirima to keep misleading you. (Laughter)

Hon. Maungu.

Thank you. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this cherry would be the Member for Central Imenti.

Thank you. Member for Kanduyi.

Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming pupils from Suswa Lerai School, Narok East Constituency, Narok County; and students from Mumtaz Academy, Matuga Constituency, Kwale County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this morning and afternoon. The next chance goes to the Member for Lugari. Hon. Members, if...

Thank you. Member for Likoni. Commissioner, you can use the microphone right in front of you or the one next to you.

Thank you. Member for Aldai.

Thank you. Members, I wish to recognise, in the Speaker’s Gallery, pupils from Kwakulu Primary School. Hon. Eckomas, how does one read this name? Is it Kwakulu or Kwakyulu? Kwakulu Primary School from Yatta in Machakos County.

Kwakulu Primary School from Yatta in Machakos County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. Member for Seme.

Thank you. Member for Isiolo County. I am aware that she does not have a card.

Well done. Member for Westlands, Hon. Tim Wanyonyi.

Thank you. Member for Kibwezi West.

Member for Roysambu.

Let us have Hon. Chonga. Member for Kilifi South.

Ten seconds. Ken Chonga (Kilifi South, ODM) : There are people who are genuinely suffering because of land that rightfully and legally belongs to them. There is need, therefore, to support this Motion and, if possible, escalate it further to a Bill. Member for Magarini.

Member for Dagoretti South.

This seems to be an issue for Members from Nairobi County. I will give this chance to the Member for Starehe.

Hon. Members, allow me to recognise, in the Public Gallery, pupils from the following schools: Bright Future Academy, Lari, Kiambu County; and Chepketeret Primary School, Keiyo South, Elgeyo Marakwet County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Member for Kibra, two minutes.

Hon. Kagiri. Hon. Jane Kagiri.

Hon. Mwenje, this is your chance to reply because the time for the Motion is spent.

Hon. Chiforomodo will get a minute, but next time he puts his card he should be in the House. We called his name earlier and he was not in. Hon. Rindikiri.

Hon. Chiforomodo.

Well said. Hon. Members, the Motion is well spent and the Question will be put the next time this matter is scheduled on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Thank you very much. Before I give the next contributor an opportunity, I would like to recognise the presence of students of Olooltoto Boarding Primary School from Narok North Constituency, Narok County in the Public Gallery; and Karua Primary School from Laikipia East Constituency, Laikipia County in the Speaker’s Gallery....

Member for Busia County, Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Member for Gilgil.

Thank you. Next is Hon. Abdul Haro, Member for Mandera South.

Thank you. Next is Hon. Andrew Okuome of Karachuonyo.

Thank you. Hon. Shakeel Shabbir of Kisumu East.

Member of Parliament for Samburu East, Hon. Lekumontare.

Thank you. Hon. Fatuma Mohammed of Migori.

Hon. Tindi Mwale, my board shows that Hon. Fatuma was ahead of you in terms of logging in and asking for time. Just bide for your time. Go ahead, Hon. Fatuma.

Well said. I wish to recognise the following students in the Public Gallery: Pupils from Mangoto Primary School from Maragwa Constituency in Murang’a County; and students from Kituro High School from Baringo Central Constituency, Baringo County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the Assembly this morning. Hon. Tindi...

Thank you. Member for Samburu County, Hon. Lenguris.

Member for Suba South.

There is a Member whose card is not working. I have been told she was among the first people to be here. If your card is not working, it is good to let the Clerks-at-the-Table know. That chance is yours now. (Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri, Hon. John Paul Mwirigi and Hon....

Thank you. I wish to recognise pupils of ACK Mukangu Primary School from Manyatta Constituency, Embu County; and Mutumu Boarding Primary School from Maara Constituency, Tharaka-Nithi County, seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this Morning. I will give this chance to...

Hon. Member for Manyatta, we had a Motion that you are debating. You are completely out of order. Next time you are given a chance, debate the Motion on the Floor not your own Motion. Your time is spent. You had only a minute. This chance is for the Mover...

Hon. Members, one-and-a-half minutes please.

Hon.Farah.

Hon. Member.

Hon. Brighton, remember you only have one minute left before you proceed. You thought you had eight minutes when you only had five. I wish to recognise, in the Speaker's Gallery, students from St. Vincent De Paul Boys Primary School in Kitutu South, Kisii County. We also have pupils from...

Thank you. Hon Members, the time for this Motion is spent, and the Question will be put at the next available time for a decision. We now move to Order No.15. NATIONAL POLICY ON DEWORMING OF SCHOOL-GOING CHILDREN Hon. Machua Waithaka. Is he in the House?

Hon. Ikiara.

Where is the Member for Mogotio? (Hon. Kiborek Reuben stood in his place) I will give this chance to the Member who was on the Floor of the House to finish her contribution and second the Motion. Then we will deal with the Member for Mogotio.

Thank you very much. Before I propose the Motion for debate, Member for Mogotio, the Hon. Speaker made a Communication regarding dress code sometime in March this year. I would like to read for you part of what the Speaker communicated. The Speaker communicated that proper dress code for men...

Member for Buuri, we wish to join you in welcoming pupils from the Catholic Church Mission, Mitoone Primary School, Buuri Constituency, Meru County. Take your seat, Member for Buuri. We have students from Kinyach Primary School, Baringo North Constituency, Baringo County; Father Martin Boyle Primary School, Tinderet Constituency, Nandi County...

Hon. Naomi Waqo, Member for Marsabit County.

Thank you. Member for Igembe North, Hon. Taitumu

Join me in welcoming students of Mbauini Secondary School, Lari Constituency, Kiambu County. They are welcomed to follow our Proceedings this Afternoon. Member for Mombasa, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

Very well said, such a graphic description of the worms and how they affect the body. This chance goes to the Member for Turkana, Hon. Cicilia Ngitit.

Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Githure Primary School, Gichugu Constituency in Kirinyaga County and pupils from Kiamanyeki Primary School from Mwea Constituency, Kirinyaga County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. The Member for Samburu, Hon. Pauline Lenguris.

Thank you. Let us have Hon. Jackson Kosgei.

Thank you. Member for Mumias East.

Member for Embu County.

Before the Member for Kwale takes the chance, let me recognise and welcome pupils from Aiyebo Primary school, Baringo North Constituency in Baringo County; Karunga Primary School, Gilgil, Nakuru County; and and students from Nzukini Secondary School, Masinga Constituency, Machakos County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon...

Asante sana, Mhe. Fatuma Masito. Hon. Members, the Mover of this Motion will be called upon to reply the next time it is slotted in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Hon. David Kiplagat.

What is out of Order? Order. Order Members. Points of order nowadays are done through intervention, not through howling at your seat. If I see an intervention here, I will know.

Order. Hon. Ruku GK what is out of order?

Thank you, Hon. David Kiplagat. Before I propose the Motion for debate, I wish to recognise pupils from the following schools: Komotobo Secondary School from Kuria East in Migori County; Kinungi Primary School from Naivasha in Nakuru County; Kakenya Centre of Excellence from Kilgoris in Narok County; Ntepes Primary School...

Listening to the Chairman of the Committee and the Seconder of the Motion, you hear undertones of something wrongly done. But, you do not see it in the recommendations. This chance goes to Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

Next is the Member for Chesumei. (Hon. Ruku GK raised his hand) Hon. Ruku, I request that you be patient enough and wait for your turn. Let us have the Member for Siaya.

Thank you. Member for Seme.

Thank you, I am trying to follow the list and I cannot see some Members. The Member for Turkana County, Hon. Cecilia Ngitit. I thought I saw her in the House. Hon. Irene Mayaka. Okay, let us have Hon. Ruku.

Thank you. Hon. Member for Busia.

Hon. Julius Sunkuli.

Member for Suba South.

Thank you. Member for Mosop Constituency. Hon. Mutunga, you will have a chance to speak when you reply. That is my determination on that matter. You will have a chance to reply to all the issues that have been raised so, the best thing to do is to take notes.

Thank you. Member for Kabondo Kasipul.

Thank you. Member for Turkana East.

Order, Member. I thought you were asking for a chance to contribute to the Motion. What do you want to do? (Hon. Nicholas Ng’ikor spoke off-record) The Motion for Adjournment will be considered from 5.30 p.m. This chance goes to Hon. Ng’elechei.

There is a Motion on the Floor that the Mover be now called upon to reply. That decision has to be made by the Members. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

Hon. Mutunga, you are in order, but this is a House of rules and procedures. On this particular matter, I had already given a chance to the Member for Busia County but she forwent. I also called out Hon. Mayaka but she was not in the House. The only Member...

(Motion deferred)Thank you so much. Hon. Members, I wish to communicate that the reply to this Motion will be done in the next sitting. Let us move to the next Order, which as you know, was supposed to start at 5.30 p.m. That is the Motion of Adjournment by Hon....

Thank you. Member for Turkana County, Hon. Cecilia Ngitit.

Hon. Chepkonga, the point is well taken. However, the Member also availed himself under the Standing Orders of the House. He does not extinguish his rights to bring a question. He also has the right, using our Standing Orders, to bring the Motion of Adjournment which he has done. Hon....

Thank you. I wish to recognise the presence of the following schools in the Speaker’s Gallery: Lorna Laboso Secondary School, Sotik Constituency, Bomet County and Genesis Secondary School, Kapenguria Constituency, West Pokot County. We welcome the students to follow the proceeding of the House this evening. The next speaker will...

Thank you. I wish the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs was in the House today because this is a very valid Motion. They should be informed accordingly. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

That is your chance to…

Hon. Members, if you ask to speak, you should look at your microphones. They are there so that you can see them and speak. Hon. Mathenge.

Hon. Duncan Mathenge, you probably know that under the rules we changed, independent commissions answer questions at the committee level. All the commissions in this country are supposed to direct their answers to questions to the relevant committees.

Thank you. Let us have Hon. John Koyi.

Hon. Omboko Milemba, Hon. John Koyi has just decided that your point of order was not necessary. (Laughter)

Member for Seme, proceed with your contribution.

Order! I am seeing everyone looking at me. I have given an opportunity to seven Members on my right side and not a single Member on my left side since we started this debate. So, relax. We are a House that has a Majority Party and a Minority Party. It...

Thank you, Hon. Nyikal. The Member for Kabuchai.

Hon. Rindikiri.

Hon. Rindikiri was way ahead. He just did not have a card.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Kitui South.

The Member for Lari.

Member for Tigania West Constituency, Hon. Mutunga.

Hon. Mutunga, I would wish so too. Two Members have already approached me about it here. Hon. Mutunga, who has been in Parliament for two terms should know the rules. I would also wish that way. However, we have done this before. Where there is a Motion with so much...

Hon. Kawaya.

Thank you very much, Hon. Musyoka. Hon Members, before I do the needful, I wish to recognise in the Public Gallery, the presence of Ongata Royal Academy from Kajiado North Constituency in Kajiado; and Students from Ndurarua High School from Dagoretti North in Nairobi County. (Applause)

Hon. Oundo, I do not intend to interrupt you at all, but the Order Paper that you have has the schedules.

Hon. John Mbadi.

Thank you. Hon. Mbadi.

Thank you very much. I just need to advise you. We make very good recommendations in our contributions. I wish we could follow them with proper laws. All of us agree that we need to discipline Article 223 of the Constitution. Why not do it? Members, because there is too...

Thank you. Next is Hon. Pukose.

Is that the mood of the House that I call upon the Mover to reply? (Loud consultations)

Member for Rangwe, you are totally out of order! (Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo rose in her place) Hon. Ndindi, take your seat. (Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo consulted loudly) Member for Rangwe, you are out of order! Order, Member for Rangwe! I order that the Member for Rangwe be moved out...

You will not go on until the Member for Rangwe leaves the House. Serjeant-at-Arms, I have said that the Member for Rangwe leaves the House so that we can proceed with business. (Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo withdrew from the Chamber) (Applause)

Do we have the numbers, Clerks- at-the-Table?

Hon. Members, having confirmed that we have the requisite numbers, I proceed to put the Question. (Question put and agreed to)

What is out of order, Hon. Baya?

Hon. Gikaria, take your seat. In this Session, I have not personally presided until today. Therefore, you are out of order completely. I can say without fear or favour that if you want to speak you know what to do. You will come to the House on time and queue....

Hon. Ndindi, take your seat. This is how it is done. We reduce the speaking time after we have moved the Motion. Just before we start debate, anyone who wants to propose that we reduce the speaking time can do so after we have moved the Motion. After that, we...

Hon. Mwashako.

Hon. Chepkonga.

Hon. Members this is not a decision for me to make. It is yours because you are the ones going to contribute to this debate. (Question, that debating time be limited to four minutes for each Member, put and agreed to) Four minutes it is. The first Member that will...

Hon. Makali Mulu.

Thank you for saving time. Hon. Nyikal.

Hon. Gakuya, if he is in the House. Hon. Marianne Kitany.

Thank you, Hon. Member. Many Hon. Members who have put their cards here are not in the Chamber. Actually, I cannot see the first 10 on my list. So, I will go to the Member for Kilgoris.

Whip of the Minority Party.

The Mheshimiwa for Manyatta.

He was on a point of order which we need to make a decision on. Hon. Members, on this, I do not have a vote. This is a decision to be made by you, Hon. Members. Hon. Chepkong’a has stood and claimed that the Mover be called upon to reply...

Order, Hon. Members. Order, Members on the walkway. Hon. Atandi, take your seat. Hon. Members, could you all take your seats? (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and negatived) Hon. Gitonga, you have a balance of 20 seconds.

Hon. Members, I already said that I will follow this. Any suggestion that one side is... Since I sat here in the morning, I have given the Opposition side more chances to speak than the Government side because I am counting the minutes. I do not want a situation where...

Hon. James Gakuya.

Hon. Members, as I said, I do not have a vote and the Standing Orders do not stop anybody from rising as many times as they want under Standing Order 95. So, is it the mood of the House that we call upon the Mover to reply?

Are we voting on this? Hon. Members, I now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and Committed to Committee of the whole House) THE EQUALIZATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL Mover.

Hon. Members, it is your House and Hon. Baya has moved that under Standing Order 97. (Question, that debating time be limited to three minutes for each Hon. Member, put and agreed to) Member for Tinderet.

Member for Alego Usonga.

Hon. Member for Laikipia East.

Hon. Member for Marsabit County.

Order, Hon. Elachi. Remember, it is four minutes. I intend to give six more Members. Do not worry about what you see on the board.

Let us have Hon. Ruweida.

Order, Members. I have just given four Members from this side an opportunity. Go ahead.

Let us have Hon. Bidu.

A good question by the Hon. (Dr) Pukose. How did the Hon. King’ara get the mood of the House? However, it is not for me to decide that question. It is for you to decide that question. The Hon. King’ara has risen on his seat and moved that the Mover...

How do you ascertain that? By voting on it. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

Hon. Members, please be upstanding. The time being 1.13 p.m., this House stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30