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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Atandi, you must get used to this now.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, before I propose the Question for the Bill to be debated, join me in welcoming students from Jabali Primary and Junior Secondary School, Kiambaa Constituency, Kiambu County, and students from Save Our Souls Junior Secondary School, Nyali, Mombasa County. They...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Before I ask the Member for Seme to say something on this Statement, the Member for Marsabit, Hon. Waqo, has something to add.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) From what you have heard, this is an emergency. You are probably aware that there is already a testing machine as you enter Isiolo County. I have been told there is a testing place where people are being tested for this Kala-azar Virus. This...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kimani Kuria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, I see the Member for Seme is in the House. Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, I hope you realise that you are now the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health. The Member for Endebess is no longer the Chairperson. The request for a Statement...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, fair enough. Member for Endebess.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS HIGH FREQUENCY OF ACCIDENTS ALONG THE LIKONI-LUNGA-LUNGA HIGHWAY.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed with the request; do not lecture him yet. 9th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kuria Kimani, you can speak for yourself on this matter.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I would like to know whether you come from the same place as Hon. Kuria Kimani. Give the Leader of the Majority Party 30 seconds to tell me where he comes from. I thought it was Kikuyu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The record is quite straight because I listened to you. Member for Seme, the response to this Statement will be brought up on Tuesday afternoon. Even as you stand to give the clarification, ensure that it is brought on Tuesday. Today is Wednesday. This...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Please proceed as you suggested. The answer should be given in two weeks. The Member for Eldas is in the House. Please proceed with your request for a Statement. KALA-AZAR VIRUS OUTBREAK IN WAJIR COUNTY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Member for Eldas.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I saw the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in the House this morning. Is the Vice-Chairperson in? Hon. Osoro, this will be under your charge. How long do you think the Committee will take to respond to this request for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Alego Usonga Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that we ask the Mover to reply to this Motion?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. The Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Eldas, this is not a matter of argument.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. We just called a new Order, and I do not see how what you are asking relates to the Order we just called. Hon. Joseph Gitari (Kirinyaga Central, UDA) : I had called for a write-up before then, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Temporary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kitui Rural, I want to deny you this chance because you do not trust the system. You should trust the system next time and stay in your seat. I would have skipped you if I were not having a good morning. I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You cannot go beyond that, Hon. Member. You know this very well. I have allowed you to read beyond what you gave to the Table Office, so I request that you read it the way it is.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is good progress and fair enough. We look forward to getting this response as soon as possible, but not later than Tuesday next week. Members, for the convenience of the House and following consultations with the leadership, we will dispense with Order No....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, before I propose the Question for the Bill to be debated, join me in welcoming students from Jabali Primary and Junior Secondary School, Kiambaa Constituency, Kiambu County, and students from Save Our Souls Junior Secondary School, Nyali, Mombasa County. They...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Before I ask the Member for Seme to say something on this Statement, the Member for Marsabit, Hon. Waqo, has something to add.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) From what you have heard, this is an emergency. You are probably aware that there is already a testing machine as you enter Isiolo County. I have been told there is a testing place where people are being tested for this Kala-azar Virus. This...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kimani Kuria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, I see the Member for Seme is in the House. Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, I hope you realise that you are now the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health. The Member for Endebess is no longer the Chairperson. The request for a Statement...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, fair enough. Member for Endebess.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS HIGH FREQUENCY OF ACCIDENTS ALONG THE LIKONI-LUNGA-LUNGA HIGHWAY.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed with the request; do not lecture him yet. 9th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kuria Kimani, you can speak for yourself on this matter.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I would like to know whether you come from the same place as Hon. Kuria Kimani. Give the Leader of the Majority Party 30 seconds to tell me where he comes from. I thought it was Kikuyu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The record is quite straight because I listened to you. Member for Seme, the response to this Statement will be brought up on Tuesday afternoon. Even as you stand to give the clarification, ensure that it is brought on Tuesday. Today is Wednesday. This...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Please proceed as you suggested. The answer should be given in two weeks. The Member for Eldas is in the House. Please proceed with your request for a Statement. KALA-AZAR VIRUS OUTBREAK IN WAJIR COUNTY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Member for Eldas.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I saw the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in the House this morning. Is the Vice-Chairperson in? Hon. Osoro, this will be under your charge. How long do you think the Committee will take to respond to this request for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Alego Usonga Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that we ask the Mover to reply to this Motion?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. The Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Eldas, this is not a matter of argument.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. We just called a new Order, and I do not see how what you are asking relates to the Order we just called. Hon. Joseph Gitari (Kirinyaga Central, UDA) : I had called for a write-up before then, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Temporary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kitui Rural, I want to deny you this chance because you do not trust the system. You should trust the system next time and stay in your seat. I would have skipped you if I were not having a good morning. I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You cannot go beyond that, Hon. Member. You know this very well. I have allowed you to read beyond what you gave to the Table Office, so I request that you read it the way it is.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is good progress and fair enough. We look forward to getting this response as soon as possible, but not later than Tuesday next week. Members, for the convenience of the House and following consultations with the leadership, we will dispense with Order No....

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is the longest I have had to wait to speak. I agree with Hon. Junet, who is my friend, on all he has said. The Senate amendments to the Houses of Parliament (Bicameral Relations) Bill are all in bad faith and...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I yield the Floor to him, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Mover, Hon. Atandi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, we will defer the putting of the Question to the next time the House sits. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT) BILL 8th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 52 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I now call upon the Chairperson to report to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I have listened to the Member for Funyula. Therefore, I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order the Bell to be stopped. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Jackson Kosgei, do you want to say something on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) They are forgiven.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Butere.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members. Seated in the Speaker's Gallery are students visiting from St. Gertrude Kinthithe Secondary School of Runyenjes Constituency in Embu County; and seated in the Public Gallery are students from Oloirien Junior School of Kajiado West Constituency in Kajiado. They are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, did you want to speak on this? Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Yes. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, we are 43rd in the ratification of the agreement. Other countries are already on board. We have delayed. The Corporation is already working. That is why we are expediting the ratification of the agreement. Hon. Members, there being no further interest to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Homa Bay Town Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Students clapped for Hon. George Sunkuyia) We do not allow the guests to clap. Hon. Sunkuyia, I do not know what you told your students but, next time, they should not clap. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gatanga, what is that? Go ahead, Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next in line is Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Garissa Town, Hon. Dekow. Where is your card?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Saku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Christ the King School in Nakuru East, Nakuru County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Join me in welcoming them to the august House. Thank you. Hon. Maero Oyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I see the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow Hon. Kaluma one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion will be made the next time it will be listed in the Order Paper for obvious reasons. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tindi Mwale, I am sure you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Gatanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Add him one more minute to finalise.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Jackson Kosgei, do you want to say something on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) They are forgiven.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Butere.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members. Seated in the Speaker's Gallery are students visiting from St. Gertrude Kinthithe Secondary School of Runyenjes Constituency in Embu County; and seated in the Public Gallery are students from Oloirien Junior School of Kajiado West Constituency in Kajiado. They are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, did you want to speak on this? Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Yes. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, we are 43rd in the ratification of the agreement. Other countries are already on board. We have delayed. The Corporation is already working. That is why we are expediting the ratification of the agreement. Hon. Members, there being no further interest to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Homa Bay Town Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Students clapped for Hon. George Sunkuyia) We do not allow the guests to clap. Hon. Sunkuyia, I do not know what you told your students but, next time, they should not clap. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gatanga, what is that? Go ahead, Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next in line is Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Garissa Town, Hon. Dekow. Where is your card?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Saku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Christ the King School in Nakuru East, Nakuru County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Join me in welcoming them to the august House. Thank you. Hon. Maero Oyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I see the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow Hon. Kaluma one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion will be made the next time it will be listed in the Order Paper for obvious reasons. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tindi Mwale, I am sure you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Gatanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Add him one more minute to finalise.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No.2) , (National Assembly Bill No.26 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (David Ochieng’)Hon. Oundo.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Supplementary Appropriation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.8 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Insurance Professionals Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members! You will vote the wrong way because you are not listening. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, there is an amendment.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Let us have the Mover, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson.

Hon. David Ochieng (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I hear Members. But Chair, some functions of Senate are not based on the number of Members in the Senate. There are things that would be done by Senate and National Assembly regardless of the number of Members....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) left the Chair)] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) in the Chair] CONSIDERATION OF SECOND SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/2025 VOTE 1173 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR CO-OPERATIVES 13th March 2025...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) If that is the feeling, I will, therefore, put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. THE SUPPLEMENTARY APPROPRIATION BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover. Is it the Chairperson of the Liaison Committee or...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Should I put the Question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No.2) , (National Assembly Bill No.26 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (David Ochieng’)Hon. Oundo.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Supplementary Appropriation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.8 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Insurance Professionals Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.