David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) To the Member walking towards the Chair, that is not your place to walk on. You are not supposed to block the Speaker from seeing the Member who is speaking. Please go back and walk behind her.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I wanted to give some direction. Hon. Otiende, has your issue been addressed? (Hon. Wanjiku Muhia spoke off the record) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku, I have heard you and noticed that you are here. Hon. Otiende, you addressed an issue...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member from Kisii, Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is nothing out of order, Hon. Otiende. You are a senior here and you know the rules. She has just completed her contribution. There is nothing out of order. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Masara, you can proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Of course, we shall have Quorum. Therefore, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for the next five minutes. (The Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerk-at-the-Table) Okay. The Quorum Bell shall be rung for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Kitui West. Is she in the House? It seems she is not. Let us have the Member for Kisii. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next on the list is the Member for Busia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. It is good to debate so that Kenyans are informed. Hon. Murugara, you can give us the page in the Report where the Committee accepted that proposal. The only thing they call overly ambitious is the proposal to implement it in this term...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow him to finish his sentence. My advice to the Clerk-at-the-Table is that it is good to allow a Member to finish the sentence before cutting them off on the time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, the time allotted for debate on this Bill has lapsed. It is now my chance to call the Mover of the Bill, Hon. Masara, to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member coming in, go back to the Bar, bow and then walk in.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Narok North, you want to speak on this matter? Hon. Pareyio, you requested to speak on this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) For purposes of this debate, I will allow Members who are inclined to refer to the earlier Report to do so. As the Chairperson has said, the Report that you are debating today is a product of the latter Report. The Committee harmonised the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) My direction on this matter is that we shall proceed, and the next time this Report is scheduled for debate, we will give communication on the issue Hon. Otiende has raised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Muhia, insert your card in the intervention slot so that I can give you an opportunity to prosecute your point of order. Just get your card. There are staff members over there. You can send them to get your card so that you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Has it been debated? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Members, join me in welcoming and recognising the presence of students from St. Thomas Aquinas Kyaani Secondary School, Kibwezi West, Makueni County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. Members, you should show your appreciation by stumping your feet. (Members stumped their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! The Member has a choice of words to use. She has already said she did not like the situation. It would be worse if you ask her to describe the activities she mentioned. Hon. Donya, you have a choice. Proceed to argue your...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka knows better than Hon. Otiende in this kind of matter. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adipo has his mouth and legs. I am sure he can speak for himself, and walk. Hon. Adipo, do you confirm that you are seeking exemption? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you and well said, Dr Masara.(Putting of the question deferred)Hon. Members, his request for deferment of the Question on this Bill at Second Reading is granted. The putting of the Question is deferred to the next time the Bill will be slotted in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli, I am holding you to this because you are reading the Report of the Committee selectively. If you read paragraphs 88 and 89, it states that they agree with the Report and the two-thirds gender rule should be implemented through party lists....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you and well said. The Member for Siaya County, Hon. Ombaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Thank you. Hon. Otiende Amollo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) To the Member walking towards the Chair, that is not your place to walk on. You are not supposed to block the Speaker from seeing the Member who is speaking. Please go back and walk behind her.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I wanted to give some direction. Hon. Otiende, has your issue been addressed? (Hon. Wanjiku Muhia spoke off the record) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku, I have heard you and noticed that you are here. Hon. Otiende, you addressed an issue...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member from Kisii, Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is nothing out of order, Hon. Otiende. You are a senior here and you know the rules. She has just completed her contribution. There is nothing out of order. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Masara, you can proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Of course, we shall have Quorum. Therefore, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for the next five minutes. (The Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerk-at-the-Table) Okay. The Quorum Bell shall be rung for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Kitui West. Is she in the House? It seems she is not. Let us have the Member for Kisii. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next on the list is the Member for Busia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. It is good to debate so that Kenyans are informed. Hon. Murugara, you can give us the page in the Report where the Committee accepted that proposal. The only thing they call overly ambitious is the proposal to implement it in this term...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow him to finish his sentence. My advice to the Clerk-at-the-Table is that it is good to allow a Member to finish the sentence before cutting them off on the time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, the time allotted for debate on this Bill has lapsed. It is now my chance to call the Mover of the Bill, Hon. Masara, to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member coming in, go back to the Bar, bow and then walk in.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Narok North, you want to speak on this matter? Hon. Pareyio, you requested to speak on this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) For purposes of this debate, I will allow Members who are inclined to refer to the earlier Report to do so. As the Chairperson has said, the Report that you are debating today is a product of the latter Report. The Committee harmonised the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) My direction on this matter is that we shall proceed, and the next time this Report is scheduled for debate, we will give communication on the issue Hon. Otiende has raised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Muhia, insert your card in the intervention slot so that I can give you an opportunity to prosecute your point of order. Just get your card. There are staff members over there. You can send them to get your card so that you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Has it been debated? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Members, join me in welcoming and recognising the presence of students from St. Thomas Aquinas Kyaani Secondary School, Kibwezi West, Makueni County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. Members, you should show your appreciation by stumping your feet. (Members stumped their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! The Member has a choice of words to use. She has already said she did not like the situation. It would be worse if you ask her to describe the activities she mentioned. Hon. Donya, you have a choice. Proceed to argue your...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka knows better than Hon. Otiende in this kind of matter. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adipo has his mouth and legs. I am sure he can speak for himself, and walk. Hon. Adipo, do you confirm that you are seeking exemption? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you and well said, Dr Masara.(Putting of the question deferred)Hon. Members, his request for deferment of the Question on this Bill at Second Reading is granted. The putting of the Question is deferred to the next time the Bill will be slotted in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli, I am holding you to this because you are reading the Report of the Committee selectively. If you read paragraphs 88 and 89, it states that they agree with the Report and the two-thirds gender rule should be implemented through party lists....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you and well said. The Member for Siaya County, Hon. Ombaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Thank you. Hon. Otiende Amollo.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. The issue we are dealing with, for me, is both structural and legal. At times, it has been fuelled by the courts. I have said here and I want to repeat that in the USA, for over 20 years...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. The issue we are dealing with, for me, is both structural and legal. At times, it has been fuelled by the courts. I have said here and I want to repeat that in the USA, for over 20 years...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, we allow governors and the county governments to get away with too much. If there was a single time a governor should 26th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)be impeached for gross misconduct, it is now. If the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of information, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, we allow governors and the county governments to get away with too much. If there was a single time a governor should 26th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)be impeached for gross misconduct, it is now. If the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of information, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I was mentioned by Hon. Junet.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I thank the three judges for last week’s judgment. We have a new Constitution that we keep testing. It also 11th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)guides us on how we run our affairs...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I just need to mention something. Hon. Junet claims to be the Secretary-General of the Azimio Coalition. Could he tell this House today where the Azimio Coalition’s office is in this country? (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of order.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I would like to thank the three judges… (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I was mentioned by Hon. Junet.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I thank the three judges for last week’s judgment. We have a new Constitution that we keep testing. It also 11th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)guides us on how we run our affairs...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I just need to mention something. Hon. Junet claims to be the Secretary-General of the Azimio Coalition. Could he tell this House today where the Azimio Coalition’s office is in this country? (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of order.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I would like to thank the three judges… (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I was mentioned by Hon. Junet.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I thank the three judges for last week’s judgment. We have a new Constitution that we keep testing. It also 11th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)guides us on how we run our affairs...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I just need to mention something. Hon. Junet claims to be the Secretary-General of the Azimio Coalition. Could he tell this House today where the Azimio Coalition’s office is in this country? (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of order.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I would like to thank the three judges… (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Startup Bill (Senate Bill No.14 of 2022) and approved the same with amendment.