David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. Osoro, did you finish your contribution?

Member for Emurua Dikirr, I am sure you will have a chance to debate and be able to make that point. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Osoro! Take your seat. No, it is not done like that. You do not have the microphone, do you?

Okay, Hon. Gichohi. I will have my eyes on the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health and ensure that he does the right thing. Hon. Osoro, go on.

It should be known that we are discussing a Bill related to healthcare. We are not discussing lawyers’ fee. I direct you to proceed with your contribution the way it was going on before the interruptions.

This chance goes to the Member for Mandera South. He is the first on the requests list. I will not encourage Members to raise their hands. I have a list that I will follow. Do not raise your hand and do not come to me. Let us just follow what...

Thank you. Member for Uasin Gishu.

Well said. Member for Funyula.

Okay. You have to inform him in a minute because you have already contributed.

Back to you, Hon. Oundo. I think you are winding up.

Member for Dagoretti South.

Member for Kipipiri Constituency.

Member for Nyeri Town Constituency.

Hon. Mathenge, explain to the Member for Naivasha what “Mafia House” means.

Member for Karachuonyo.

Next is the Member for Narok North.

Next is Hon. Makilap.

Member for Kamukunji.

The Member for Naivasha.

Hon. Jayne Kihara, you have said that the Mover of this Bill was not called to appear before the Committee. Is it the factual position? Have you checked with the Mover?

(Technical hitch)Hon. Didmus Barasa, is it true that you did not get a chance to appear before the Departmental Committee on Health on this Bill? Do you have your card? Just put it in somewhere. Okay. Go ahead.

Okay. That is well noted. Go on, Hon. Kihara.

Member for Kigumo.

Thank you. Member for Makueni. This Member is in the House!

Member for Kisumu East.

Thank you very much. Hon. Members, the debate on this Bill is done. The time allocated to it has lapsed. I have asked the Mover to reply the next time this Bill will be called out. Therefore, the Mover will reply next time the Bill is listed in the Order...

Hon. Hassan, Member for Kamukunji. We cannot see your card. Go ahead.

Debate on this Motion is now open and the first person to contribute is the Member of Parliament for Bureti, Hon. Kibet Komingoi.

Member for Kisumu East, you want to contribute on this?

When the Motion comes up next, you will have a balance of five minutes. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank the Committee for a very well-done report on the approval of Dr. David Oginde. Fighting corruption requires someone who believes that you can change a corrupt system. It requires someone who believes that fighting corruption needs leadership, someone with integrity and knows how...

Okay. I hope Members have the proposed amendment by the Member for Kericho County. (Question of the amendment proposed) Hon. Members, I direct that we go on with debate on this matter the way it is. We cannot put the question on those amendments for obvious reasons, as you will...

The Member for Elgeyo Marakwet.

Member for Starehe.

Member for West Mugirango.

Hon. Member, just to remind you that the Motion we are discussing has no video or anything to it. It seems every Member wants to talk about it; basically, the more you do it, the more you spread the video. This chance goes to the Member for Kuria West.

Hon. Robi, the microphone next to you may work. Mhe. Mathias Robi (Kuria West, UDA) : Asante Mhe. Spika wa Muda kwa kunipatia nafasi hii ili pia niweze kuchangia hii Ripoti ambayo imeletwa katika Bunge hili. Ripoti hii ni nzuri sana katika nchi yetu ya Kenya kwa kuwa inajali maslahi...

Keep going and continue leading. Next is the Member of Parliament for Samburu East.

Thank you. We will now have the Member of Parliament for Dagoretti North.

Next is the Member of Parliament for Kamukunji.

Well spoken. Member for Mbeere North. Members, take note that I am just holding this list. I am not in the mood of doing anything to fit in someone. I will just follow it. There are very few of us remaining. If you take three or four minutes each, all...

Thank you. I hope ladies carry handkerchiefs too. This chance goes to the Member for Bureti.

Hon. Member for Baringo.

Member for Teso South.

Maybe it is time to also bite the bullet and report such matters to the police. You may not report some of these matters because you fear showing your face. Maybe, it is time to draw a red line and report the matter, so that those guys are dealt with....

Member for Kajiado.

Member for Kangema.

Okay. Let us have the Member for Kaiti.

Lastly, the Member for Kisumu West.

Very well. Hon. Members, the Question on the proposed amendment by Hon. Beatrice Kemei will be put during the next time when this Motion is considered. The Mover of the Motion will also be asked to reply when the Motion will be slated next for consideration on the Floor of...

Member for Garissa Township.

Member for Kirinyaga.

The Member for Nyatike.

Member for Bomet East.

Thank you. Member for Isiolo South.

Member for Moiben.

Member for Kwanza.

Thank you. Member for Marsabit. She will be the last one to contribute to this Motion and then we will call upon the mover to reply.

Thank you very much. Members, before I call the mover to reply, allow me to recognise the presence, in the Public Gallery, of the students from the AEF Rueben Primary School, Embakasi South in Nairobi County. They are welcome to view the happenings of Bunge this morning. I hope they...

Take one-and-a-half minutes each please.

Hon. Haika.

Hon. Ngusya, proceed.

Then, that means you only have two minutes to reply.

Thank you very much, Hon. Mathenge. I think the ball is in your court. You heard Members and everyone's views on this issue. As you know, the very nature of a Motion is that we normally resolve and most of the time nothing turns on it. I like where you...

Hon. Haika Mizighi.

Thank you. Member for Wajir North.

Well said, Hon. Saney. This chance goes to the Member for Runyenjes.

Thank you. Let us have the Member for Bonchari.

Thank you. Member for Bureti. Just a minute. The Member for Kwanza, you are out of order. You cannot keep on putting pressure on me to give you a chance to speak when you are not on the queue. That is not the way it is done. Go on Member...

Thank you very much. Hon. Members, as we proceed, allow me to recognise and welcome to the Assembly students from Kamarandi Secondary School, Mbeere North, Embu County. We also welcome Nyahururu Visions Primary School of Ol Jorok, Nyandarua County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this...

Hon. King’ara, I hope you are listening and already taking notes. If you listen to what the Committee has said and what Members are saying, there could be a middle ground on dealing with the most important issues of the day concerning the whole sector. You notice that it has...

Member for Kanduyi.

Hon. Ruku, that cannot be a point of order. We note that you have students from your constituency here, and that is it. Allow the Member to proceed with his contribution.

The Member for Kisauni.

Nawatakia kila la heri.

This is a Bill, not a Motion. Member for Kitutu Chache North.

The Member for Mathioya.

Member for Kabondo Kasipul. Hon. Members, I want to remind you that when you log your card in, always ensure you press the log in button so you are well logged in.

What will happen when you have regional licensing and every police officer asks: Are you from Siaya going to Busia? Will they need another license? Do we need another rent-seeking opportunity? The Member for Matungu.

Member for Webuye East.

Member for Kiambu County.

Thank you, Hon. Wamuratha. You will have the balance of your time in the next Sitting when this Bill will be deliberated upon. Time is up. You will have the first chance when the Bill is discussed next. ADJOURNMENT Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi

Thank you very much. This chance goes to Hon. Ruku of Mbeere North.

Member for Trans Nzoia.

You should contribute in Kiswahili as you had started. Hon. Members, just to clarify, when you start in Kiswahili, you must continue in Kiswahili to the end. If you start in English then you end in English. Proceed.

Hon. Elisha and Hon. Babu, that is not how we do it. I will follow the list. I know we are friends, but we must follow the right procedures. Member for Seme.

Thank you very much Members. I wish to welcome students from Riara Primary School in Dagoretti North Constituency, Nairobi County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this morning. The school has parents in the House today, Hon. Otiende Amollo and Hon. Ruku. I will use my...

Thank you. This chance goes to Hon. Farah Maalim.

Thank you, Hon. Farah. This chance goes to the Member for Kirinyaga. Members on this side, I have just given three people in a row from your side. So, do not put pressure on me at all. I will follow what I have here. I have given three opportunities to...

Well done. Member for Kiambu.

Hon. Otiende, do you have a point of order, or you want to contribute? (Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo spoke off-record) Okay.

Well said. Member for Mathioya.

Member for Busia. He will be followed by the Member for Embakasi East.

The Hon. Babu Owino has been so meaningful apart from one variation. I would ask him to proceed along the lines of the Standing Orders.

I will give this chance to Hon. Otiende. I hope he will take a shorter time.

This chance will go to the Member for Bureti, if he is in the House. (Hon. Ruku GK consulted loudly) Hon. Ruku, you are completely out of order. This chance will then go to the Member for Kajiado County.

Member for Bomet East.

Member for Gem, followed by the Member for Machakos.

I suggest you do not go along that way, because we will be discussing a member or a Kenyan who is a CEO of a regional institution without giving her the chance to respond. I would suggest you go a different way.

Member for Kabuchai. Is the Member of Kabuchai or the Hon. Member for Kanduyi in the House? Member for Kilgoris.

I had actually given the chance to the Member for Machakos. We skipped that. Go ahead Hon. Member.

Member for Mbeere South.

Chonga, what is the problem?

It was going so well. There are 10 minutes. He had those 10 minutes for himself. Just to advise that in future, if you want to limit the time, you must do it before the debate of the Motion starts. I agree with you absolutely that the interest is a...

I wish it was. I had already given the chance to the Hon. Member for Gichugu.

Member for Mosop.

Hon. Kirwa, I have to stop you there. You will have your balance of time, when this Motion comes up again next week. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time now is 1.01

Member for Naivasha. Mhe. Jayne Kihara (Naivasha, UDA) : Bw. Spika wa Muda, nashukuru kwa kunipa nafasi hii ili nizungumzie jambo hili ambalo ni la kusikitisha sana. Kama nchi au dunia, tumefikia wakati wa kuzungumzia mambo ya ushoga na usagaji. Kama Bibilia inavyosema, wakati wa mwisho, tutasikia maajabu. Labda dunia...

You are definitely out of order, Hon. Kitayama. (Laughter)

Hon. Members, I am following this list. It does not matter what you do. I will follow the list that I have here. So, anybody who comes up here should know that you will definitely not get a chance because you came to see me. I will follow the list...

The Member for Bomet East has been away, but has been on the queue. Hon. Richard Yegon, have the Floor.

Next on my list is the Member for Malindi.

Asante sana. Member for Alego Usonga.

Hon. Atandi, you could make your point without…

Hon. Atandi, order! You could make your point without these sideshows sometimes. I will now request you to withdraw the statement about temporary presidency and the President going around begging.

Thank you. Hon. Atandi, you can make your point.

Hon. Atandi, order! You are completely out of order. If you want to discuss the person of the Chief Justice, you must bring a substantive Motion to be approved by the Speaker. Would you now wind up your contribution on this matter?

Is the Member for Samburu East in the House?

Thank you. Hon. Member for Kuria East.

Thank you. Member for Makueni County.

Thank you, Member for Turkana.

Waheshimiwa Wabunge, kwa kuwa sasa ni saa saba, Bunge hili litaahirishwa hadi leo, Jumatano, Tarehe 15 Machi 2023, saa nane na nusu. Bunge liliahirishwa saa 7.02 mchana. Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi

Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I order the bell to be stopped. I confirm that we have quorum. Order, Members! Let us proceed with business.

Next Order! QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS I hope those who have their Questions listed on the Order Paper are in the House. The first chance goes to Hon. Umul Kheir Kassim from Mandera County. Give the microphone to the Member. Is she in the House?

Just approach the Clerk-at-the- ORDINARY QUESTIONS GOVERNMENT INTERVENTIONS TO MITIGATE EFFECTS OF DROUGHT IN MANDERA

Thank you, Hon. Umul Kheir. The Question that you have just asked shall be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Regional Development. I hope the Chairman is in the House. As for the Question asked in the last Session, you are probably aware that Questions lapse. They are not...

This Question shall be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Is the Chairperson or the Vice Chairperson in the House? Hon. Peter Lochakapong, are you aware that the Question that was asked earlier is directed to your Committee? I hope you can handle it. I...

This Question shall be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Education. I hope Hon. Millie will be informed that this is urgent and important as the Member has indicated. Next Order! DEVELOPMENT OF POLICY ON STANDARDIZATION AND PRODUCTION OF SCHOOL UNIFORMS Hon. Members, this Motion has a balance of...

Order, Hon. Nyikal. You are now a ranking Member. You cannot anticipate debate. We are debating Order No.8.

Thank you very much, Hon. Nyikal. If there were no deficiencies in all those areas, there would be no need for Parliament in the first place. There will always be deficiency in one place or the other. Hon. Members, the time allocated for this particular Motion has lapsed. I now...

Hon. Mukunji.

Hon. Wamuchomba.

Very well. Hon. Wamuchomba, next time, mention all the Members you want to donate your time to at once so that you do not need to keep coming back to mention other Members. Proceed, Hon. Harun.

Thank you very much, Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba. I really share your sentiments. Hon. Members, I order that the Question on this Motion be put during the next Sitting for the reason indicated under Standing Order 53 (3) . CONTINUOUS REGISTRATION OF CASH TRANSFER BENEFICIARIES

Order! The Hon. Member who has just come in; just go back to the Bar and bow. Go back to the Bar. When you get in here, you cannot crisscross the Floor the way you have done. Just go back to the Bar, bow and come back to the House...

Hon. Parashina.

Thank you so much, Hon. Parashina. Hon. Members, I recognise the presence, in the Public Gallery, of students from Kanyakine High School in South Imenti in Meru County and students from Muslim Academy Primary School, Starehe, Nairobi County. As usual, we welcome them to follow the proceedings of the august...

You know when I am presiding, there are no two rules about this. If you are next in line, you contribute. Hon. Kirwa, this is your chance to contribute on the Motion.

Hon. Edith Nyenze.

Hon. Pukose.

Hon. Wamuchomba.

This chance goes to the Member for Kipkelion West.

I suppose that is the Vice-Chair of the Social Protection Committee and that is why he is passionate about this matter so much. Hon. Nyamai Rachel, proceed.

Member for Masinga. In his absence, Member for Alego Usonga, proceed.

Hon. Atandi, proceed.

Hon. Atandi, the Motion is safe. I suggest you withdraw the remarks about the Government murdering its own people and then proceed with your contribution.

Hon. Atandi, I insist. I was seated on the Chair and I heard you say that this regime has murdered a number of people. Give us a list or withdraw and apologise.

Hon. Atandi, it is therefore clear that the regime has not killed or murdered anybody. Would you just withdraw those statements and proceed with your contribution?

What you said is that this regime has murdered a number of people. You do not have the list of those who have been murdered. The order is that you substantiate or withdraw your statement.

A very good contribution, but it has been messed up by your own drama. I now order that the offensive words that were uttered by Hon. Atandi be expunged from the Hansard. This chance goes to the Member for Manyatta.

It is okay.

Thank you so much. There is a committee called the Committee on Implementation. (Hon. Naomi Waqo interjected) Hon. Waqo, what is out of order?

Well, this chance now goes to the Member for Kisii County. She will be followed by the Member for Seme.