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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Quorum Bell be stopped. Clerk-at-the-Table, proceed. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We have a list in the Order Paper. The first chance goes to Hon. Adhe Wario. Is he in the House? Go ahead. 17th June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1 INADEQUATE ADMINISTRATIVE UNITS IN NORTH HORR

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is the Chairperson or the Vice- Chairperson of that Committee in? Whip of the Majority Party, if you cannot whip your chairpersons to the House, who will you whip? Your chairpersons are persistently not in this House when the House starts. What is your...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is not my issue. My issue is that your chairpersons are persistently not in the House when the House begins. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) Order! Hon. Wamboka. It is not your business. It is my business. I would like to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) And I am communicating that it is completely out of order for your chairpersons not to be in the House. It does not matter. The chairpersons must be in the House when the House begins every single sitting day. I order that this Request...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Farah Yussuf. Is Hon. Caroli Omondi in? Hon. Member Absent. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He is absent? How about Hon. Caleb Amisi? Hon. Member Absent. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Which wananchi are they representing, and they are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Go ahead. DEMISE OF ENG. ROBERT MAGOTSI IN MOZAMBIQUE

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Chairperson of the Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. (Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei and Hon. Marianne Kitany consulted with Hon. Nelson Koech) The Member for Elgeyo Marakwet and the Member for Aldai were engaged in conversation with the Chairperson. The Chairman has just...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will let you sit down. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That Member will move from her seat. Please, Member for Elgeyo Marakwet, change your seat so that the Chairperson can listen. Now, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The matter relates to the death of a Kenyan in Mozambique. How long do you need to deal with this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caleb Amisi, you have heard what the Chairperson has said. I also advise you to speak with him and provide the details so he can have the complete picture as the Committee prepares to respond to you. Is that agreeable?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Charles Kamuren. EFFECTS OF RISING WATER LEVELS IN LAKES BARINGO AND BOGORIA

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Return to that Committee. I will not ask the Chairperson to respond. Go to your Committee and raise this question yourself, ensuring that it is handled comprehensively with your leadership. If you have been following House proceedings, you would know that this matter was...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, order. That is true and that is why, even knowing that you are the Vice-Chairman, I still allowed you to read your Statement. I did not stop you because you need your constituents to know that you are raising an issue on the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Hon. Kamuren is not just a Vice-Chairman. He is also the Member for Baringo South. He is entitled to ask the question he has raised on the Floor acting on behalf of the people of Baringo South. I think that ends the matter...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The matter will be handled appropriately as directed by the Speaker. In any case, Hon. Kamuren can raise this with the Prime Cabinet Secretary too. Hon. Members, before we move to the next Order, let us welcome students from the following schools in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Wario.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Ng’ikor, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kabuchai. Hon. Members, please, anyone who does not have a card should get it and log in. Allow me as the presiding Chair of this session to follow the order that you used to log in.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Take your seat, Hon Osoro. Hon. Jack Wamboka, this House will listen to Hon. Majimbo in silence. Hon. Majimbo will remain relevant in his submissions. You know very well that we are no longer in the old constitutional dispensation. We are in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I know the issues before us are emotive. Therefore, let us be factual. I have listened to Hon. Majimbo refer to Clause 169, but it is not there. So… (Hon. Majimbo Kalasinga stood up in his place) Order, Hon. Majimbo! Just sit...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. I am happy to listen to Hon. Mwenje because he has spoken for about 10 minutes without attacking anybody or going outside the script. He has done very well. If you all do as he did, we will have a...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, you will agree with me that I have given this side four uninterrupted opportunities. Therefore, I will also give the other side four opportunities. Thereafter, we shall return to this side. I have to be fair to the House. It does not...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Where is your card, Hon. Maina? (Hon. Amos Maina spoke off the record) I cannot see it. You are not supposed to stand up and raise your hand. You insert your card in the intervention slot. Proceed, Hon. Kitany.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Point made. In my opinion, that is a point of debate, which you may raise when you get an opportunity to contribute. Go ahead, Hon. Kitany.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Osoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Cynthia Muge.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, today we have students visiting us from Kyamboo Secondary School from Mwingi West Constituency, Kitui County; and Jansil Junior School in Kajiado North, Kajiado County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. We also have students from Al-Ansaaru Nursery and...

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Let us have Hon. Jematiah.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Hon. Mwenje.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyikal. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) As I rise to support this, I want to bring to our attention that I have noted staff in our constituency offices do not have a health cover other than the National Hospital Insurance Fund...

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Sorry about that. Just do another memo. Hon. Members, I now put the question. (Programmes 0723000 and 0746000 agreed to) (Vote 2043 agreed to) VOTE 2044 - SENATE 4th June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 87

Ninaweza nikachanganya. The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Order! We said you have to choose the language you are going to use. We cannot do that. Go ahead and tell us what kulet down means. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyikal, lastly.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lugari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Vihiga County. (Hon. Mishi Mboko spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Mishi Mboko. You know how I chair the House. You will get a chance to speak. Let her have her time. You will get an opportunity to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Proceed,

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West. Hon. Timothy Kipchumba (Marakwet West, Independent) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for granting me the opportunity to comment on the Budget Estimates for the Financial Year 2026/2027. From the outset, I thank the Committee for the report they have...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Masinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. We will have Hon. Peter Orero, followed by Hon. Catherine Omanyo from this side. Then, from this other side, after Hon. Omanyo, we will move to Hon. Marianne Kitany, followed by Hon. Adams, then Hon. Sigei. Go ahead, Member for Kibra.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Busia County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Aldai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well said. The Member for Keiyo North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Which Standing Order has been infringed?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! There is no Standing Order that has been flouted. Therefore, you are out of order. We will have the Member for Sotik, followed by the Member for Kapenguria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adams Korir, kindly take your seat. Hon. Members, this debate will ultimately be put to a vote. Going forward, I will not allow any Member to speak and then leave the Chamber. Who will decide on the fate of the Motion once we...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) If I remember very well, the late Hon. Malulu Injendi’s Motion was passed by the House. The Bill has not been passed. (Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu spoke off the record) Order. Hon. Makali Mulu, I will give you a chance to contribute to this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Kapenguria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Nyatike, who will be followed by Hon. Kaguchia. Thereafter, we will come to this side.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Kaguchia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have made your point. Hon. Kaguchia, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Moiben, our time is almost up. I will indulge you if you can take three minutes. The Member for Turbo will follow for another three minutes. Hon. Mogaka will also have three minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Turbo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mogaka, you have three minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, that marks the end of the Third Allotted Day for debate on this particular Motion. I, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 3rd June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 74 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Published by Clerk of the National Assembly...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Sergeant-at-Arms, please, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order that the Bell be rung for a further five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon Members, when the Quorum Bell is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Is there any Member from that Committee? (Hon. Protus Akujah stood up in his place) Is that Hon. Akujah? Did you hear the question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mnyazi, take it up with him and his Committee and ensure that you raise it again in the first week after we come back from recess. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kassim Tandaza, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Next Order. PROCEDURAL MOTION EXEMPTION OF CERTAIN BUSINESS FROM STANDING ORDER 40(3) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Whip of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adagala.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon Members. (Question proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, is it the mood to put the Question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on this Bill was finalised. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to Committee of the whole House) THE PREVENTION OF LIVESTOCK AND PRODUCE THEFT BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Question put and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Jayne Kihara followed by Hon. Mary Wamaua.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wamaua.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members. Remember last week when the Cabinet Secretary for Education was here, the questions we sent him back with are the exact issues in this Motion, almost word for word. Hon. Mathenge, you were here last week and you had the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omboko, you know that that is quite unprocedural. You will have to come back. Our procedures require that when Cabinet Secretaries come, they first answer Questions that had been asked, then we proceed with supplementary questions. So, you will indulge us to deal...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Cabinet Secretary, in summary, the Leader of the Majority Party is asking whether the Ministry has lost control of school heads and principals. Can you do anything about it? Write them down. Other questions will be asked on school uniforms. Members, please, the Cabinet...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is okay. Proceed, Hon. Martin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mathenge.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Mathenge. Member for Samburu, Hon. Pauline Lenguris, please, make it short so that we can have as many Members as we can.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Magarini.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wamuchomba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Member for Suba South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member for Loima.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, I am just following the interventions as they are. I never skip anyone. Hon. Alice Ng’anga, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omboko, please, make it a minute so that we finish with this question.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will have two more Members: Hon. Gisairo, the Member for Busia and the Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omanyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Emaase, a minute. The Cabinet Secretary has seven questions to go. So, if you do not ask on this one, you can ask on the next. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Kwenya, and then Hon Emathe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He has not been bashed by anybody. 22nd April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Emathe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Mishi Mboko.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Lastly, let us have the Member for West Mugirango. Members, you will get a chance to ask your questions in the second round.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Cabinet Secretary, most Members have raised similar questions, so I expect a short response. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. I want to be very frank about this issue of school uniforms. It has...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, this matter ends there. Cabinet Secretary, take the rostrum again and give us a final decision on what is possible on uniforms, lunch, reams of paper, desks and punishment. It is not July anymore. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gachagua, this is a chance for follow-up questions on the matter of payment of invigilators, supervisors and examiners. It is not an open-ended chance. So, I would request that you ask a question related to that.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omboko, this was not a question in the manner you are saying. It was an issue that was raised in the plenary by the whole House. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Member for Molo. 22nd April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 27

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kimani Kuria, no. We cannot do this. This is spent. Before you sit down, I had hoped, because this is an area in which you are well versed, that this would be a perfect example where, for the first time, Parliament, not the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Taitumu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Emaase, do you want to speak to this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kombe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Passaris.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. (Dr) Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli, do you want to ask a follow-up question on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Cabinet Secretary, you have heard the questions. In your response, include whether this money that you said you do not have was budgeted for. I do not agree with the issue of the Supplementary Budget. Was this included in the main budget for the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mary Emaase said something very important. All of us know that every single year, exams are done and they are invigilated, supervised and marked. This has become a crisis every single year. Cabinet Secretary, I hope you got your answer back. The Cabinet...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Cabinet Secretary, we are all in this position. The Ministry knows that this will be a crisis and money will be found. Every single year, the Ministry leaves it pending, teachers cry, it becomes a crisis and thereafter you have to look...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Cabinet Secretary, you have 14 days. We can get an answer by next Thursday and if you need the intervention of Parliament to make the National Treasury act, please, write to the Speaker so that this is expedited. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Mutunga, it is now your chance to contribute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Since you are an academician, before you go, having listened to the debate this afternoon, we had institutions called Kenya Science and Kenya Polytechnic. How do you guard against what happened to those two institutions, because they also specialised in their respective fields?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) They elevated Kenya Science and Kenya Polytechnic to university status. How can you protect this from also being inflated by all these things you are talking about?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is now the chance for… Is it Mr, Dr, or Professor Oundo?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Wandeto.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. I do not mind giving you information. However, when a Member is on a roll, and you can clearly see it, and then you interrupt, it is not fair. Do you want to be informed by him?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wandeto, next time someone has a point of information, it is courteous to allow them to inform you. Hon. Kimaiyo. (Hon. Joshua Kimilu spoke off the record) Order. There is a Member in this House called Hon. Kimaiyo, and this chance belongs to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have Hon. Joshua Kimilu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Shakeel, please take your seat. You will contribute after Hon. Kimilu. You came to me because you did not have your card, and he had already put in his card. That is how it works. 8th April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. You know, I allowed you to say what you said, even though it was irrelevant. But when you veer off course, you know I 8th April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 27 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)will not allow you. I allowed you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. You know none of the Members here is in Kisumu, and none of them attacked Senator Osotsi. Why can you not be relevant to this matter? I sympathise with Hon. Osotsi like you, but if you want to discuss that, you can bring...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Shabbir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Leo Wa Muthende Njeru. 8th April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Suba North, followed by the Member for Seme and then Hon. Mayaka in that order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Lekakeny, do you want to speak on this? I have not seen your card. (Hon. Julius Sunkuli spoke off the record) Okay, great. Then this is your chance, Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, followed by the Member for Malindi, then the Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Malindi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)From my records, honourable

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That said, I think it is time for the mover to reply. Hon. Gichimu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have always wondered why Members leave the Chamber after they contribute. Who is supposed to make a decision on the business under consideration if you leave the Chamber? I have observed each Member who contributed to the Motion leaving the Chamber soon thereafter....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Maungu, you just walked in. When did you count the Members present? Ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. 8th April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 38 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Whip of the Minority Party, approach the Temporary Speaker. The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Chepalungu Constituency, do you want to say something on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wandeto.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ibrahim Saney. 2nd April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 45

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Hon. David Kiplagat of Soy. There being no further interest on this, could we request the Mover to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga, please, put the facts straight. 2nd April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 47

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the decision on this matter will be made the next time it is in the Order Paper for obvious reasons.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it true that we do not quorate? I, therefore, order that the Quorum Bell be rung for the next 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, having rung the bell for the last 10 minutes...