David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. Members, there is no quorum in the House to proceed. I, therefore, order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. The Whips and their Deputies are directed to ensure that Members are present in the House. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, please ring the Quorum Bell...

Just follow up so that we can know the status by the end of the day. Go ahead. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Do we have Hon. Machele, the Hon. Member for Mvita in the House? He seems not in. Can we then have the Member for Kapenguria, Hon. Moroto?...

Thank you. Hon. Kasiwai

Hon. Lochakapong, do you have a follow up question too?

Hon. Mizighi.

Order, Hon. Ngogoyo. Hon. Kangogo, I hope you are noting this down. Two more are coming. You will take them together. Proceed, Hon. Ngogoyo.

Thank you. Hon. Jayne Kihara.

Finally, let us have Hon. Hillary.

No. We are asking follow up questions, not contributions. Hon. Kangogo, go ahead. As you do so, note what I told you earlier. Anything in the upcoming Budget is a proposal. Parliament has not passed any Budget for the 2026/2027 Financial Year. It is a proposal to be in the...

That is the issue. Members are saying that you cannot take water from Turkwel to oil fields and consumption in Lokichar and leave out where the water is being treated. That is the issue.

I think he is a bit comprehensive now. Hon. Kangogo, take your seat. Can we wind this up?

That is okay. I think that is well said. Hon. Kasiwai, what is it?

Okay. Hon. Kangogo, as you respond to that, please also address the question raised by Hon. Hilary Kiplagat. I was happy to hear from you that this project is still at the design stage. As you respond, please note the issue raised by Hon. Ngogoyo. This issue is very important,...

I think we dispense with that and ask Hon. Kasiwai and Hon. Lochakapong to keep an eye on the ball in that regard. I will indulge Hon. Machele, if he is in the House, to raise his Question 326. Go ahead. Question 326/2026 STATUS OF COMPENSATION TO MR JIMMY OTIENO-ABONGO

Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Lands. Hon. Member, are you a member of the Committee?

Okay. Hon. Machele, the first week when we come back from recess, please ensure that you follow up on the same.

Thank you. I think that ends that section. Next Order. Hon. Members, before we go to the next Order, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Precious Blood Primary and Junior Secondary School, Juja, Kiambu County. They are here to follow our proceedings, and they are welcome to follow...

Hon. Members, also seated in the Public Gallery are students from Briar Rose Junior School, Lang’ata Constituency in Nairobi County, and students from Turasha Secondary School, Kipipiri, Nyandarua County. They are all welcome to our proceedings this morning. Next Order. THE SPORTS (AMENDMENT) BILL THE TEACHERS SERVICE COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support the Bill by Hon. Haro. It is sometimes disheartening to see teachers being asked to serve as acting principals or head teachers of secondary or primary schools for long periods, sometimes one year, eight months, or six months. Once promotions are...

Hon. Members, the decision on this matter will be made the next time it appears on the Order Paper. Therefore, the putting of the Question is deferred to the next time it appears on the Order Paper. For the convenience of the House, I request that we go back to...

Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE NATIONAL LAND COMMISSION

Let us proceed to Order No. 10. THE UNIVERSITIES (AMENDMENT) (NO. 5) BILL Hon. Mejjadonk Gathiru.

Very well. Hon. Mwago.

Thank you, both of you, for such eloquent proposition of the Bill on the Floor. (Question proposed) Before I give the first person to contribute on this, we have students from Greensvale School, Kajiado West Constituency in Kajiado County, and Milimani High School, Naivasha Constituency, in Nakuru County seated in...

Now, on the Bill, the first bite on my table will be Hon. Rahim Dawood of Imenti North if not North Imenti. What is the order of the wording? Go ahead.

Member for Bondo, Hon. Ochanda.

Member for Kinangop, Hon. Thuku Kwenya.

Do they offer the courses because they have infrastructure to offer them or they have huge infrastructure and therefore they are looking for a chance of getting money? That is the question.

Hon. Bartoo.

I have a simple question on this matter. You are an expert on this issue. What happens, for example, if tomorrow the Moi University School of Medicine (SOM) started offering diploma in all the courses offered by the Kenya Medical Training College (KMTC) ? What happens if tomorrow, the Nairobi...

Before we have, Hon. Nyikal we have students from Kuikui Secondary School in Baringo North, Baringo County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. Hon. Nyikal, as you contribute, also do the honours of welcoming students in the Public Gallery to us.

I see the Member for Siaya is ready to contribute but I have a different order here. The next person to speak is the Member for Bureti, who will be followed by the Member for Malava, the Member for Gichugu, the Member for Siaya, the Member for Turkana East, the...

Well said. Hon. Ndakwa of Malava.

Thank you. Hon. Githinji.

Hon. Ombaka.

Thank you. Hon. Rahab Mukami. Is it Hon. Rahab Mukami? (Laughter)

Hon. Members, before I give a chance to the Member for Kesses, in the Public Gallery, we have students from, Mwangaza Secondary School, Maragwa Constituency in Murang’a County, Mama Ngina University, Gatundu North in Kiambu County, and Kamiti Secondary School, Roysambu, Nairobi County. They are welcome for the proceedings this...

Member for Kesses.

Thank you. Minority Whip. Those who are raising their hands now, we have five minutes to go. I have just given Hon. Millie a chance to speak. This Bill still has an hour next time it is in the Order Paper.

No, they are not, for the reason that I know who the Minority Whip is. This Bill still has an hour. Those who do not get a chance this afternoon will get a chance next time.

An issue arose earlier that you must have a degree if you want to be a Member of the County Assembly (MCA) . Some universities have set up a dubious course called Diploma in Leadership. How specialised is that?

Thank you. Hon. Members, there is still a balance of one hour and five minutes in this Bill. So, you will get a chance to contribute next time it is slotted in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The time being 1.03 p.m., this House stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30...

Chairperson, report.

Mover.

Hon. Members, thank you very much for your patience on this. (Question proposed) I would be mindful to take any few interventions if there are any. If there are no interventions, then I would, for obvious reasons, Hon. Chepkonga, pend the putting of the question until we are properly prepared...

Go ahead.

Order, Hon. Francis Kimani Kuria. You cannot do that and you know it. (Laughter)

Member for Jomvu, do you want to speak on this? This is your chance to contribute.

Hon. Chepkonga, you are all now confusing the House. There is definitely a difference between the Global Centre for Adaptation and the Russian. Please, go ahead and tell us the difference.

Member for Funyula.

The Member for Marsabit.

Member for Kesses.

Member for Baringo County, what happened to your card? Go ahead.

Member for Mwingi Central, do you want to contribute to this?

There being no other interest on this, I call upon the Mover, Hon. Gichimu, to reply.

Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, we defer putting of the Question on that particular Motion to the next time it is listed in the Order Paper. (Putting the question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON DISCRIMINATION OF SPECIAL NEEDS EDUCATION TEACHERS Hon. Members, debate on this Motion started yesterday...

(Motion deferred)I would imagine that you were informed about this. We stand down Order No. 15. Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF NGAAF FOR FY 2016/2017 TO 2021/2022 Is this the same?

For the convenience of the House, could you please call out Order No. 18 first. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS FOR NG-CDF FOR CONSTITUENCIES IN NAKURU COUNTY FY 2013/2014 TO 2021/2022 County for the financial years 2013/2014, 2014/2015, 2015/2016, 2016/2017, 2017/2018, 2018/2019, 2019/2020, 2020/2021 and 2021/2022, laid on the...

(Motion deferred)The Order is stood down until next time it is in the Order Paper. Let us go back to Order No. 17 ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS FOR THE JUDICIARY MORTGAGE SCHEME FUND FROM FY 2011/2012 TO 2021/2022 Committee on its consideration of the audited accounts for the...

I did not know he was your brother. Proceed, Hon. Gichimu.

Hon. Oundo.

Thank you, Hon. Members. Debate on this Bill will continue next time it is listed on the Order Paper.

Order! You know very well that you will have a chance to reply. You are the Mover of the Bill. Ensure the day you are replying, your friend and brother Hon. Oundo is in the House to listen to your reply. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time now being Published by...

Thank you. Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose.

Thank you. Member for Uasin Gishu.

Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Members, as commented earlier, those who want to contribute to this Bill, please, press the intervention button. The next Member on line is the Hon. Member for North Imenti, Hon. Dawood.

Thank you. Hon. Members, before Hon. Irene Mayaka contributes, join me in welcoming students from Pharo School, Embakasi Central Constituency, Nairobi County. They are here to follow proceedings this morning and are welcome. I urge Hon. Mayaka to welcome them as she makes her contribution.

I cannot see the Member for Lamu East in the House. Is she in the House? Member for Elgeyo Marakwet County, Hon. Ng’elechei.

Member for Makueni County.

Member for Masinga.

Hon. Umulkher Harun.

Thank you for that. Hon. Umulkher, I hope you know that you can also file amendments to this Bill by yourself. Before I give opportunity to the Member for Kibwezi West, in the Public Gallery are students from Kamuwongo Mixed Secondary School from Mwingi North Constituency, Kitui County. They are...

Hon. Jessica, I am informed that you contributed to this Bill last time. Today, when we started the House, you were not in, so you lost eight minutes. Approach the Chair, please. As she does that, we will have the Member for Mwingi West contributing.

Order! I would if you did not go where you are going. You are going on a terrible tangent.

Next is Hon. Ruweida.

Member for Khwisero.

Hon. Aseka, did you actually say that there is a Russian guy supplying electricity?

If that is what you meant, then I would ask that you withdraw the use of the words ‘supplying electricity’.

Hon. Jessica Mbalu, you have four minutes to make your contribution.

Hon. Millie, I hope you can make your point in three minutes. We need to wind up.

Well done. Hon. Donya, you have the chance to reply.

Okay. Go ahead.

Hon. Nzengu.

Hon. Melly.

The offenders or those offended? Hon. Donya.

Thank you so much. As requested,the putting of the question on this Bill will be made the next time we have the capacity to do so. (Putting the question deferred) Next Order. THE TEACHERS SERVICE COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Abdul Haro.

Thank you so much. I do not think anybody would have moved that Bill as well as you have. You have done it the right way. If we were in a court of law, I am sure the judge would have tilted your way almost immediately. Hon. (Dr) Pukose, take...

The Papers are laid. We go back to Order No. 16. Hon. (Dr) Pukose, this is your chance to second.

The first bite of the cherry will be the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal.

Thank you very much. Members, I know this Bill has generated a lot of interest. We have three hours on it. I request your patience. Do not pressure me. Only one person must speak at a time. As I give the Member for Molo Constituency a chance to contribute, I...

Is Hon. Ruweida Obo in? Hon. John Gitonga of Manyatta is the next in line.

I would like to read the list out for you, so that you do not raise your hands. The next person in line is Hon. Charles Ngusya, followed by Hon. Gitonga Murugara. It is that simple.

Hon. Murugara, followed by Hon. Babu Owino.

I had already given out to the Member speaking next.

I will have Hon. Basil, Hon. Mayaka, Hon. Sabina Chege and Hon. John Waweru in that order.

Let us have Hon. Mayaka, Hon. Sabina, then Hon. Waweru.

Hon. Sabina Chege.

Hon. KJ.

Thank you. Hon. Beatrice Adagala, thank you for your patience. You will be followed by Hon. Nebart Muriuki.

Member for Mbeere South.

Thank you. Let us have the Member for Narok North, then the Member for Kipipiri.

Member for Kipipiri.

Member for Githunguri, followed by the Member for Baringo North.

Is it Hon. Muthende or Hon. Wa Muthende? This is your chance.

Member for Kericho, followed by Hon. Jayne Kihara.

Member for Naivasha.

Member for Ugunja, followed by Member for Funyula.

Member for Funyula.

Next is the Member for Central Imenti, followed by the Member for Teso South.

Before you sit down, I have heard this a lot, and we are coming to the end of this discussion. I have heard it since I sat here: That there is no value in a dead body. Why are we struggling to get them buried? It is because there is...

Order. I have not finished. I am asking why we are struggling to get these bodies buried. As Africans, we culturally believe that we should bury our dead, right? I have not heard anybody talk about it. The families are struggling to bury their dead so that they can have...

People do not bury their dead because they want to get an inheritance. Certainly not. People go out of their way to borrow millions of shillings because they want to respect their dead. It is as simple as that. Hon. Mary Emaase, you will have four minutes. (Hon. Mary Emaase...

Hon. Jane Njeri Maina, this is your time to reply.

You may take your seat. We will first hear from Hon. Ikiara, followed by Hon. Nyakundi.

Hon. Nyakundi.

Hon. Maina.

Thank you. Well said and congratulations. As requested, the decision on the Second Reading of this Bill will be deferred until the next sitting when we are quorate. (Putting the question deferred) Next Order. THE TEACHERS SERVICE COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL (Bill deferred)Is Hon. Haro in the House? We stand it...

Hon. Moses Omondi.

Hon. Lekuton, approach the Chair. (Question proposed) Hon. Lekuton, do you want to contribute or do you want to raise a matter on this issue?

Hon. Members, having ascertained that we lack quorum, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) You can stop the Quorum Bell. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR INVITATION TO THE SPEAKER’S KAMKUNJI Before we move to closure, I wish to remind Members that...

After such eloquent moving and seconding of the Bill, I will now propose the Question. (Question proposed) On my requests dashboard, I can see Hon. Gichimu, Hon. Saney and Hon. Mayaka.

Hon. Mayaka, I do not know if you want to take two minutes. Go ahead.

Hon. Gichimu, there is a chance for two minutes. Go ahead.

Hon. Members, debate on this Bill will continue next time it is slated in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Chairperson of the Committee.

Thank you. Mover of the Bill, Hon. Millie.

Hon. Mrembo, go ahead.

Hon. CNN.

Hon. Pukose.

Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Hon. Jematiah.

Hon. DK, are you wearing a blanket? Can you tell us what you are wearing?

I can confirm that what the honourable Member is wearing may look like a blanket, but it is a very fine coat. Hon. Elisha, if you are admiring the coat, then you will approach Hon. DK. He will take you to the shop, then you can get the coat too....

Hon. Dawood.

Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Mrembo.

Hon. Ikiara.

Thank you. Hon. Nyenze. I think you will be the last one on this matter.

Member for Seme, you have spoken to this matter enough times. Nevertheless, go ahead.

Thank you. Hon. Mayaka.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Eldas.

Thank you. I also join Members because I have been here since 2013 and this has taken a while. It feels nice sitting here knowing that we have moved so far, especially with this particular Bill. Hon. Millie Odhiambo, thank you very much for your persistence. Hon. Members, for obvious...

You are definitely not Hon. Kibagendi, are you? (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) No. Take your seat. (Hon. Patrick Osero spoke off the record) Oh! You are Hon. Patrick Kibagendi. I am trying to check my dashboard. There are two Kibagendis. Are you Hon. Patrick Osero Kibagendi?

Member for Matayos, Hon. Odanga.

Let us have the Member for Yatta.

Let us hear from the other Hon. Makali. There are two Makalis, one from the East and one from the West. This is Hon. Makali from the West.

Hon. Dawood.

Sorry, Hon. Dawood. Hon.

Okay. Hon. Dawood.

Hon. Bartoo.

The Member for Mandera West.

Hon. Ikiara, you have a chance. I can see you on the board. I have held Hon. Ikiara for quite a while.

Member for Seme.

Thank you. Member for Suba North, Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

Hon. Sitienei, you did not indicate that you wanted to speak, you did not tell anybody that you did not have a card. So, we are all wondering. This is a chance for you to make your contribution

Order. Let us have Hon. Kihungi.

Hon. Members, looking at the clock, I am inclined to agree with Hon. Kihungi. Order Hon. Mayaka. She was here, put her card and then withdrew it. That is not how we work. Hon. Millie and you know that very well. She inserted her card and then started harassing me...

I hope you noted Hon. Millie's contribution about recognition of prior learning. She said it is a very key matter. The decision on this Bill at Second Reading will be done next time. We will put the Question the next time this Bill is slated in the Order Paper. (Putting...

Hon. Gachagua, I would like to interrupt you. You will start from Clause 7 next time. The Clerks-at-the-Table will note the time you have spent then you will pick up from there next time.

Hon. Members, the time now is 1.01

Hon. Members, I request you to avoid coming to talk to me. Sitaki pressure. I do not want pressure from Members. I will follow the list that is here. I will follow what Hon. Speaker was doing. I request Members to avoid approaching the Chair. You know what I always...

Member of Bondo.

Order, Members. I think it is fair to allow the Member of Parliament for Bondo, who is also Raila Odinga's Member of Parliament, to be listened to. This is a very solemn moment. It is not a moment where someone will be contributing, and we are not all giving a...

Well said. Next is the Member of Aldai.

Thank you. So that you know, the next Members to speak are as per the board. Next is Member for Nambale, followed by the Member for Dagoretti South, then the Member for Butula. Those three in that order. Member for Nambale.

Member for Dagoretti South.

Thank you. Member for Butula.

Thank you. Member for Matuga.

Ahsante. The Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Next in line is the Member for Msambweni.

The next speaker is the Member of Nyandarua.

Thank you. If we would all be as brief as the Member for Nyandarua, then more Members will have an opportunity to speak. The next in line is the Member for Nyaribari Masaba, Hon. Manduku.

The next one is the Member for Mandera South, Hon. Abdul Haro.

Next is Member for Marakwet East.

Thank you. Member for Emurua Dikirr.

Wachira Karani.

Well said, very brief and to the point. Member for Mavoko.

Hon. Member for Uriri is next followed by the Member for Maara. The next one in the requests’ list is the Member for Endebess.

Thank you. The Member for Maara was next.

Member for Endebess.

Thank you. Hon. Sunkuli.

Thank you. Member for Njoro.

I told you that will not happen. The next person on the list to speak is the Member for Limuru and thereafter, the Members for Igembe North, Tigania West and Marakwet West, in that order. I can assure you that it will remain that way. Go ahead.

Hon. Members, if we could do three minutes or less each, we will probably have more time. I would then be extending a few minutes, but you can get more. Eng John Kiragu (Limuru, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. I give my condolences to...

Thank you. Next one on the list is Hon. Member for Igembe North, Hon. Taitumu.

Hon. Member for Tigania West.

Order. Those Hon. Members who are leaving, I want to make a ruling. To those Hon. Members who have logged in, do not remove your cards so that when we resume in the afternoon, you do not have to queue again. I think that will make a lot of sense....

Thank you. We will have the Member for Bureti and close after the Member for Seme this morning.

Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, finally, for the morning.

I can see the names of the Members who were on the queue to speak. Please, come on time in the afternoon so that you are not skipped. I can see Hon. Richard Yegon, Hon. Parashina, all the way down to Hon. Ruweida. Just come on time so that when...