David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. TJ. Kajwang’, Member for Ruaraka.

Thank you. (Question proposed) My uncle, Hon. Oyula, do you want to speak to this? (Hon. Maero Oyula spoke off the record) Hon. Joseph Denar? Hon. Oundo, do you want to speak to this?

Well said. Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Well said. Member for Baringo.

Member for Emurua Dikirr.

Order, Hon. Kaguchia. Take the nearest seat and contribute from there. This is your chance to contribute.

Thank you very much. Therefore, Hon. Members, there being no more interest on this matter, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Hon. Members, please, be upstanding. The time now being 7.06 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 30th September 2025, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 7.06 p.m. Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi

Thank you. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, before I give you an opportunity to contribute to this Motion, join me in welcoming students from Pharo School in Embakasi Central Constituency, Nairobi City County. They are seated in the Speaker's Gallery and are welcome to watch our Proceedings this morning. Thank you....

Thank you. Hon. Sarah Korere.

Asante. Mhe. John Kiarie.

Well said. Before the Member for Emurua Dikirr contributes, join me in welcoming students from Lukenya Academy from Mavoko Constituency, Machakos County. They are seated in the Speakers' Gallery. We also have students from Royal Brains School from Kiambaa Constituency, Kiambu County. They are all welcome to the proceedings this...

Well said. Member of Bondo, is it true that there is no land policy on zoning?

Well said. The Member for Kanduyi, Hon. John Makali. Hon. John Makali (Kanduyi, FORD–K) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to weigh in on this Motion. At the outset, let me thank my colleague, the Member for Westlands, Hon. Timothy, for bringing it. It is undeniable that...

Hon. Gichimu, is it in order that you allow the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock to speak now? (Hon. Gichimu Githinji spoke off the record) If you allow that, then we will give him a chance. You will speak after him.

Sorry to interrupt you, but based on the places you have mentioned, what do you say about the deliberate policy then of misclassifying or unclassifying lands in Nyanza, Western Kenya, where we are told we could not do coffee, yet coffee can do very well in Western and Nyanza. We...

Well said. Hon. Gichimu.

Well said. Member for Sirisia.

Well said. Let us have Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Thank you. Hon. Members, I will have Hon. Sakimba followed by Hon. Ndindi Nyoro and Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, in that order. I see Hon. Thuku Kwenya is on intervention. Anything out of order?

Hon. Members, before the Member for Kiharu takes the Floor, join me in welcoming students from Ongata Academy from Kajiado North Constituency in Kajiado County. They are seated in the Public Gallery and are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, go ahead.

Would it be wrong if agriculture contributes 70 per cent of our GDP? Will it make us develop?

Hon. Oundo.

Hon. Jane Kagiri.

Is it the mood of the House that the Mover replies?

Looking at the time, if you have a minute, then he would not be able to reply. Hon. Wanyonyi, reply. But you can give Hon. Tandaza one minute, if you have the time.

Thank you. Hon. Wanyonyi.

Thank you, Hon. Members. The decision on this Motion will be made the next time it appears in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Thank you. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Mbalu, you heard that? One week after we resume from recess. The next statement is from Hon. Edith Nyenze, Member for Kitui West. Is she in the House?

Yes. She is in the House. PROVISION OF MOTOR VEHICLES TO NATIONAL GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES IN KITUI WEST CONSTITUENCY

Hon. Tongoyo, this is related to you. It is not an isolated Question. It is not about Kitui West only. You know that. This is a national issue. We need to get a proper answer to this request for Statement.

Hon. Members, the question asked by the Member for Kitui West is very important. It is about motor vehicles for all offices in the country. The Chairman has said that he will bring a report two weeks after recess. We hope he will bring a report that will help make...

No, I do not need help on this matter. The Speaker said that “he, and he only” has the job of organising the Order Paper as he did. It is his job and not yours. I will follow his ruling on this matter. He ruled that we go back to...

Member for Isiolo South, Hon. Tubi Bidu, go ahead. ADJUDICATION OF COMMUNITY LAND IN GARBATULLA SUB-COUNTY

This request for Statement is marked as dropped, not deferred. (Request for Statement by Hon. Bidu Mohamed dropped) Member for Nyandarua County, Hon. Faith Gitau. Where is she? The next request is by the Member for Luanda, Hon. Dick Maungu. OPERATIONAL EFFECTIVENESS OF KENYA AIRWAYS

The request is accordingly dropped. (Request for Statement by Hon. Dick Oyugi dropped) (A Member spoke off the record) Order. We are going to the last request for Statement before you raise a point of order. The last request is from Hon. Abubakar Talib. [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)...

Sergeant-at-Arms, ring the

Thank you. Proceed to lay it. Who is the Co-Chairperson of the Joint Parliamentary CBK? I would imagine this would be the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. We can skip this and come back to it later. Next order. NOTICE OF MOTION QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS...

Thank you. Hon. Members, you may be awarded as communicated yesterday – that, this afternoon, the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration will be in the House to respond to such. Therefore, I would rather we hold our horses and ask those questions to him. It will be a...

Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, this Statement Request is directed at your committee. Hon. Gisairo,

Order. On the issue of the Departmental Committee on Education, this was communicated yesterday by the Hon. Speaker, and it goes to all Chairpersons of committees. There is a reason why we have a Chairman and a Vice-Chairman of a committee. The idea that committees now appoint Members of Parliament...

Order. We are not discussing the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Your matter is very specific. Direct it to the Departmental Committee on Education. The Committee is so directed that the response to this Statement Request will be filed in the first week upon resumption from recess. Thank...

The Request for Statement is directed to the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Is the Chairperson or the Vice-Chairperson in the House? (Hon. Joyce Kamene crossed the aisle without bowing to the Chair) Hon. Kamene, what have you just done? You have done it twice. We do not do...

Very well. The earlier communication I had given still stands – that this House frowns upon Chairpersons of committees, who have the responsibility of being here but frequently fail to attend. This behaviour is unacceptable. We cannot hold Hon. Dawood accountable as he is not the Chair of the Departmental...

This Request for Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Is the Chairperson here? Who is the Vice-Chairperson? This matter is serious and should not be left to just any Member. Hon. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, this is a serious issue and...

Tomorrow is okay. I hope you will keep your word. Is Hon. Kirima in the House? If he is not in, we will move on to Responses to Statements raised earlier. We have three responses from the Departmental Committee on Education regarding requests for Statements made by Hon. Bonaya, Hon....

Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION APPROVAL OF NOMINEE FOR APPOINTMENT AS MEMBER OF THE CBK BOARD

Hon. Naomi Waqo, you know that Hon. Sunkuli is a ranking Member. For clarity, go ahead and do what is requested of you.

Well done! Members, for the convenience of the House, I am informed that Hon. Kirima and Hon. Kagiri are now in the House. We request that Members who have business listed in the Order Paper be here on time. It is only through your presence that we get a quorum,...

Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Education, there is a question posed to you regarding the absorption of P1

I think we should leave it at that and wait for the reply. The Question is elaborate, Hon. Chairman. I want you to get time to look at the Order Paper. It is a very elaborate question regarding P1 teachers, promotions, and specifically those from Imenti Central. Hon. Members, let...

The Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Baya, this is directed to you. Considering this is an election year in Tanzania, when can we expect a response?

This is a very elaborate question, Hon. Baya. If you listened to Hon. Kagiri, the question cuts across four departmental committees. We hope that the response will be equally comprehensive and elaborate.

Hon. Members, I am informed that the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education has flown back from Homa Bay and is now in the House. We had earlier been informed that he was in Homa Bay. I will allow him to respond to the questions by Hon. Mumina Bonaya....

Thank you. Hon. Bashir, how long was your punishment?

I confirm that Hon. Bashir has finished his term of imprisonment and is rightfully in the House this morning. Hon. Melly, go ahead.

Order! Order, Hon. Melly. I want to say this with a lot of respect. The Speaker made a ruling yesterday, and as a friend, I took it upon myself to call and inform you of it. I also said this morning that we will not allow chairpersons to have kangaroo...

Hon. Mumina, allow him to finish this Statement, and then we can deal with all of them together. CHALLENGES FACING THE KIAMBU NATIONAL POLYTECHNIC

Hon. Mumina, proceed.

Hon. Chairman, this is a very straightforward matter that does not need back and forth.

Hon. Chairman, there is nothing wrong in the Committee. Isiolo County is not in Uganda or Tanzania. It is in the country. Why can't the Committee do a spot check in one of the schools, one of these days? If Members of Parliament are saying their schools have 800 students...

We are waiting for that report. The Member for Kiambu, proceed.

Member for Nandi County. She was just seeking clarification. That is why I allowed her to speak.

Member for Isiolo County. Just hold your horses.

Hon. Dawood. Hon. Chairperson, take down all the Members’ concerns, so that you can deal with them at once.

Hon. Nyamai.

Hon. Tubi.

Member for Makueni.

Hon. Ikiara.

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Hon. Lenguris.

The Chairperson of the

We will not allow any further discussion on this matter. The Chairperson has introduced a new confusion by stating that there was NEMIS and now there is KEMIS. (Loud consultations)(Applause) THE BREASTFEEDING MOTHERS BILL Order, Hon. Members. The debate on this Bill was concluded last week. I will now put...

Hon. Tubi, your concern is noted. You may be aware that the relevant committee is conducting a vetting on nominees to the National Police Service Commission this morning, but its members will be in the House in the afternoon. As I said earlier in the morning, even the Cabinet Secretary...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I wish to support all reservations, but we need to be clear so that Members know what we are dealing with. At this stage, it does not matter if we were 232 and all of us said 'nay'. We have to get this correctly; no one should...

Hon. Nyamai, proceed.

Hon. Members, as you are aware, when that happens, we have to adjourn. Be upstanding, Hon. Members. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 17 minutes to 12.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until today, Wednesday, 13th August 2025, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 11.43 a.m. Published by Clerk...

Order, Hon. Members! Hon. Members, I welcome students from Jimjam Academy, Moiben Constituency, Uasin Gishu County; Timbila Junior Secondary School from Taveta Constituency, Taita Taveta County and Olornganayio Secondary School from Narok South, Narok County, seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this morning. (Applause)

The Member for Wajir North.

Member for Kitui Rural.

Member for Migori County.

Thank you. Member for Tetu. Hon. Bedzimba, you are next in the queue after the Member for Tetu.

Well said. Member for Kisauni.

The Member for Mandera South.

Well said. The Member for Mandera North.

Hold on, Hon. Abdullahi. Member for Luanda, you were the next to speak, but you removed your card. It was in the queue, but then it was removed. You were ahead of Hon. Abdullahi. Just reinsert your card, then you will speak after him. Go ahead, Hon. Bashir.

Thank you. Member for Luanda.

Thank you. Member for Baringo.

Thank you. Member for Matungulu.

Member for Nambale.

Go ahead.

Member for Kamukunji.

Lastly on this will be the Member for Saku.

What is out of order, Member for Nyeri? Is it the Member for Nyeri?

Hon. Members, this has been a very interesting one. As one finishes, Members have kept coming one by one. I indulge Hon. Zamzam for five minutes or less. She will be the last Member to speak on this matter before I call the Mover to reply.

Hon. Members, there being no further interest in this matter, I will call upon the Mover to reply, but before he replies, I would like to recognise students from the following schools, who are seated in the Public Gallery: Fountain Gate Preparatory School from Kanduyi Constituency, Bungoma County; Mwihoti School...

They are welcome. Next Order. THE BREASTFEEDING MOTHERS BILL Hon. Members, debate on this Bill was ongoing. I would like to know whether there are any Members who wish to speak to it. (Hon. Catherine Omanyo approached the Clerks-at-the-Table) Member for Busia, do you want to speak on the Breastfeeding...

Member for Kitui Central.

Member for Kangundo, do you want to contribute to the Bill? Go ahead.

I do not see any further requests to contribute to this Bill, so I request the Mover to reply. Member for Baringo County, do you want to contribute to the Bill? Go ahead.

Thank you. Hon. Sabina Chege, it is your chance to reply.

Well said. Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, voting on this matter will be done during the next sitting, when the Bill appears on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Hon. Chairperson.

Mover.

If there is no interest in this, for obvious reasons, we will move to the next Order. The Question will be put to this matter when we have the necessary quorum. Next Order. Is Hon. Sabina Chege in the House? (Hon. Sabina Chege spoke off the record) This is for...

I must remind Members that the Motion on the Floor of the House is not about village elders from Moiben. The Motion on the POLICY ON MANDATORY USE OF PUBLIC HEALTHCARE FACILITIES BY PUBLIC OFFICERS

Not that way, Hon. Sabina Chege. You are now a seasoned Member. This is your chance to debate the Motion - you have already read it aloud. Can you now tell us what you want this House to do, as usual? After that, you may ask the Member you have...

Member for Taita Taveta County.

Hon. Members, this is a very important Motion. I request that you consult in low tones to allow Members to be heard as they debate. (Question proposed) The first chance goes to Hon. Hilary Kosgei.

Thank you. I was hoping that at some point, Hon. Sabina Chege and Hon. Hilary would inform us that they are relinquishing their medical scheme in Parliament. Next is the Member for Dagoretti North.

Hon. Members, before we go to Hon. Member for Seme, join me in welcoming students from Blessed Christian Centre School, Makadara Constituency, Nairobi County, seated in the Public Gallery. In the Speaker’s Gallery are students from the Fountain School, Gatundu South, Kiambu County and students from Mitero Primary School, Laikipia...

Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, you had told us before that SHA was part of your brainchild, and it is possible for it to work. I am wondering thus: if you want to have this policy, you need to handle one matter, and this will work. Scrap all private insurances for public...

Member for Endebess, the Mover of the Motion says that she has a point of order. Have a seat. What is out of order?

We will seek clarification and amend accordingly. Member for Endebess, proceed.

Hon. Waluke, talk to your friend and ask him to do the right thing. (Hon. John Koyi consulted with Hon. Innocent Obiri) Is that Hon. Obiri? You know what to do. (Hon. Innocent Obiri went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair) Proceed, Hon. (Dr) Pukose.

This chance goes to the Member for Elgeyo Marakwet

Hon. Members, we have guests. In the Public Gallery, we have students from Karirikania Comprehensive School, Kuresoi North Constituency, Nakuru County, and students from Digital Junior Educational Centre in Embakasi West, Nairobi County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this morning in the House of Parliament. Next, we have...

Thank you. Member for Kitui South.

I did not know the kind of things you discuss with Hon. Thuku are that terrible. Member for Mombasa County, the Floor is yours.

Mhe. Ferdinand Wanyonyi,

Order, Member for Kwanza. You cannot be casting aspersions on the Speakership every time you are given a chance to speak. You queued. All those who have spoken before you queued. You cannot be doing that all the time. Have your chance and let others have theirs, too.

Hon. Eli Letipila is now recognised.

Proceed, Hon. Kasalu.

That is pretty unusual.

Member for Funyula.

Next is Hon. Makali Mulu. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, wait for a minute. Let us hear Hon. Makali Mulu.

Thank you. Member for Kibra.

Member for Teso South.

Thank you. Now, let us hear from the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Thank you. There being no further interest in this matter, I would like to request the Mover to reply. Mover. Just a minute, Hon. Rindikiri. I had said that if you wanted to work on this, you should put your card in the intervention, and you did not. Hon. Rindikiri,...

Thank you. Mover, proceed.

Hon. Members, if you remember, we had reorganised the Order Paper to cover the Orders we just finalised. I, therefore, wish we go back to Order No. 5. Hon. John Mwirigi, you have a paper to lay. Hon. Mwirigi, go ahead.

The paper is accordingly laid. Proceed to lay. (Hon. John Paul Mwirigi laid the paper on the Table) Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUEST FOR STATEMENT RE-CATEGORISATION OF PUBLIC SECONDARY SCHOOLS

I cannot see any Member from the Departmental Committee on Education. (Hon. Peter Orero spoke off the record) Hon. Orero, are you a Member of the Committee? How long will it take for this to be processed by the Committee? Hon. Gisairo?

Okay. This should be responded to on 29th July 2025. You are free to appear before the Committee and have this processed before it is brought back to the House.

No. Order. Order, Hon. Oundo. Sit down. You had a chance to read out your request. I allowed you without any interruption. We have made an order that the response by Statement be brought back here on 29th July 2025. Meanwhile, you are free to appear before the Committee to...

Thank you. Hon. Chair of the Departmental Committee on Health.

Thank you. The report will be brought on 29th July 2025. In any case, the Member is advised to liaise with the Chairman of the Committee so that any urgent matters that could be handled before then can be dealt with. Hon. Jematiah Florence, do you have a Request for...

Thank you. Is any Member of the Committee on Implementation in the House today? This request is referred to the Committee MANDATORY USE OF PUBLIC HEALTH CARE FACILITIES BY PUBLIC OFFICERS (Motion deferred)Is Hon. Sabina Chege in the House? The Motion is deferred. Next Order. LAND USE POLICY ON ZONING...