David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, sometimes I wonder whether we just advertise construction of roads to make our people happy or we intend to do them. The picture painted in Chogoria, Gilgil, and other parts of the country is the same everywhere. In Ugenya, we have a road...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This is probably my third time sitting in the Committee on Regional Integration. The prospects for our growth within the EAC framework have never looked bleak; the prospects of the EAC growth have never looked so bad. In my earlier...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Kaguchia. Take the nearest seat and contribute from there. This is your chance to contribute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. TJ. Kajwang’, Member for Ruaraka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) My uncle, Hon. Oyula, do you want to speak to this? (Hon. Maero Oyula spoke off the record) 25th September 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 53 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Hon. Joseph Denar? Hon. Oundo, do you want to speak...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Therefore, Hon. Members, there being no more interest on this matter, I call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Kaguchia. Take the nearest seat and contribute from there. This is your chance to contribute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. TJ. Kajwang’, Member for Ruaraka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) My uncle, Hon. Oyula, do you want to speak to this? (Hon. Maero Oyula spoke off the record) 25th September 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 53 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Hon. Joseph Denar? Hon. Oundo, do you want to speak...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Therefore, Hon. Members, there being no more interest on this matter, I call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, please, be upstanding. The time now being 7.06 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 30th September 2025, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 7.06 p.m. 25th September 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 59 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Published by Clerk...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, before the Member for Kiharu takes the Floor, join me in welcoming students from Ongata Academy from Kajiado North Constituency in Kajiado County. They are seated in the Public Gallery and are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. Hon. Ndindi Nyoro,...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. The decision on this Motion will be made the next time it appears in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Would it be wrong if agriculture contributes 70 per cent of our GDP? Will it make us develop? 24th September 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Looking at the time, if you have a minute, then he would not be able to reply. Hon. Wanyonyi, reply. But you can give Hon. Tandaza one minute, if you have the time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Asante. Mhe. John Kiarie.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Sorry to interrupt you, but based on the places you have mentioned, what do you say about the deliberate policy then of misclassifying or unclassifying lands in Nyanza, Western Kenya, where we are told we could not do coffee, yet coffee can do very...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Well said. Member of Bondo, is it true that there is no land policy on zoning?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Sirisia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, before I give you an opportunity to contribute to this Motion, join me in welcoming students from Pharo School in Embakasi Central Constituency, Nairobi City County. They are seated in the Speaker's Gallery and are welcome to watch...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, I will have Hon. Sakimba followed by Hon. Ndindi Nyoro and Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, in that order. I see Hon. Thuku Kwenya is on intervention. Anything out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Well said. The Member for Kanduyi, Hon. John Makali. Hon. John Makali (Kanduyi, FORD–K) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to weigh in on this Motion. At the outset, let me thank my colleague, the Member for Westlands, Hon. Timothy, for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sarah Korere.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gichimu, is it in order that you allow the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock to speak now? (Hon. Gichimu Githinji spoke off the record) If you allow that, then we will give him a chance. You will speak after...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Well said. Hon. Gichimu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover replies?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Before the Member for Emurua Dikirr contributes, join me in welcoming students from Lukenya Academy from Mavoko Constituency, Machakos County. They are seated in the Speakers' Gallery. We also have students from Royal Brains School from Kiambaa Constituency, Kiambu County. They are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Let us have Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jane Kagiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, before the Member for Kiharu takes the Floor, join me in welcoming students from Ongata Academy from Kajiado North Constituency in Kajiado County. They are seated in the Public Gallery and are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. Hon. Ndindi Nyoro,...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. The decision on this Motion will be made the next time it appears in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Would it be wrong if agriculture contributes 70 per cent of our GDP? Will it make us develop? 24th September 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Looking at the time, if you have a minute, then he would not be able to reply. Hon. Wanyonyi, reply. But you can give Hon. Tandaza one minute, if you have the time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Asante. Mhe. John Kiarie.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Sorry to interrupt you, but based on the places you have mentioned, what do you say about the deliberate policy then of misclassifying or unclassifying lands in Nyanza, Western Kenya, where we are told we could not do coffee, yet coffee can do very...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Well said. Member of Bondo, is it true that there is no land policy on zoning?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Sirisia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, before I give you an opportunity to contribute to this Motion, join me in welcoming students from Pharo School in Embakasi Central Constituency, Nairobi City County. They are seated in the Speaker's Gallery and are welcome to watch...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, I will have Hon. Sakimba followed by Hon. Ndindi Nyoro and Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, in that order. I see Hon. Thuku Kwenya is on intervention. Anything out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Well said. The Member for Kanduyi, Hon. John Makali. Hon. John Makali (Kanduyi, FORD–K) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to weigh in on this Motion. At the outset, let me thank my colleague, the Member for Westlands, Hon. Timothy, for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sarah Korere.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gichimu, is it in order that you allow the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock to speak now? (Hon. Gichimu Githinji spoke off the record) If you allow that, then we will give him a chance. You will speak after...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Well said. Hon. Gichimu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that the Mover replies?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Before the Member for Emurua Dikirr contributes, join me in welcoming students from Lukenya Academy from Mavoko Constituency, Machakos County. They are seated in the Speakers' Gallery. We also have students from Royal Brains School from Kiambaa Constituency, Kiambu County. They are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Let us have Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jane Kagiri.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I was very happy yesterday with our leadership. You cannot go before governors, abuse us, insult us and then call us. Instead of telling us why you called us, you start lecturing us on matters that you should deal with personally. I request...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, the trend you are setting will come back to bite you. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can only withdraw it, not defer. So, go ahead and withdraw the request for statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the question asked by the Member for Kitui West is very important. It is about motor vehicles for all offices in the country. The Chairman has said that he will bring a report two weeks after recess. We hope he will bring...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No, I do not need help on this matter. The Speaker said that “he, and he only” has the job of organising the Order Paper as he did. It is his job and not yours. I will follow his ruling on this matter. He...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This request for Statement is marked as dropped, not deferred. (Request for Statement by Hon. Bidu Mohamed dropped) 19th August 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nyandarua County, Hon. Faith Gitau. Where is she? The next request...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tongoyo, this is related to you. It is not an isolated Question. It is not about Kitui West only. You know that. This is a national issue. We need to get a proper answer to this request for Statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbalu, you heard that? One week after we resume from recess. The next statement is from Hon. Edith Nyenze, Member for Kitui West. Is she in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The request is accordingly dropped. (Request for Statement by Hon. Dick Oyugi dropped) (A Member spoke off the record) Order. We are going to the last request for Statement before you raise a point of order. The last request is from Hon. Abubakar Talib....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Hon. Tubi shall be heard in silence. Go ahead.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I have been here long enough to know that every time we have had a bipartisan initiative, this House suffers. I remember in the 11th Parliament, when the President and Raila came together on the Independent Electoral and Boundaries...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Isiolo South, Hon. Tubi Bidu, go ahead. ADJUDICATION OF COMMUNITY LAND IN GARBATULLA SUB-COUNTY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes. She is in the House. PROVISION OF MOTOR VEHICLES TO NATIONAL GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES IN KITUI WEST CONSTITUENCY

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I was very happy yesterday with our leadership. You cannot go before governors, abuse us, insult us and then call us. Instead of telling us why you called us, you start lecturing us on matters that you should deal with personally. I request...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Members, the trend you are setting will come back to bite you. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can only withdraw it, not defer. So, go ahead and withdraw the request for statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the question asked by the Member for Kitui West is very important. It is about motor vehicles for all offices in the country. The Chairman has said that he will bring a report two weeks after recess. We hope he will bring...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No, I do not need help on this matter. The Speaker said that “he, and he only” has the job of organising the Order Paper as he did. It is his job and not yours. I will follow his ruling on this matter. He...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This request for Statement is marked as dropped, not deferred. (Request for Statement by Hon. Bidu Mohamed dropped) 19th August 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nyandarua County, Hon. Faith Gitau. Where is she? The next request...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tongoyo, this is related to you. It is not an isolated Question. It is not about Kitui West only. You know that. This is a national issue. We need to get a proper answer to this request for Statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbalu, you heard that? One week after we resume from recess. The next statement is from Hon. Edith Nyenze, Member for Kitui West. Is she in the House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The request is accordingly dropped. (Request for Statement by Hon. Dick Oyugi dropped) (A Member spoke off the record) Order. We are going to the last request for Statement before you raise a point of order. The last request is from Hon. Abubakar Talib....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Hon. Tubi shall be heard in silence. Go ahead.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I have been here long enough to know that every time we have had a bipartisan initiative, this House suffers. I remember in the 11th Parliament, when the President and Raila came together on the Independent Electoral and Boundaries...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Isiolo South, Hon. Tubi Bidu, go ahead. ADJUDICATION OF COMMUNITY LAND IN GARBATULLA SUB-COUNTY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes. She is in the House. PROVISION OF MOTOR VEHICLES TO NATIONAL GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES IN KITUI WEST CONSTITUENCY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Education, there is a question posed to you regarding the absorption of P1

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We are waiting for that report. The Member for Kiambu, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I confirm that Hon. Bashir has finished his term of imprisonment and is rightfully in the House this morning. Hon. Melly, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tubi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, you may be awarded as communicated yesterday – that, this afternoon, the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration will be in the House to respond to such. Therefore, I would rather we hold our horses and ask those questions...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I think we should leave it at that and wait for the reply. The Question is elaborate, Hon. Chairman. I want you to get time to look at the Order Paper. It is a very elaborate question regarding P1 teachers, promotions, and specifically those...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nandi County. She was just seeking clarification. That is why I allowed her to speak.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I am informed that the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Education has flown back from Homa Bay and is now in the House. We had earlier been informed that he was in Homa Bay. I will allow him to respond to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood. Hon. Chairperson, take down all the Members’ concerns, so that you can deal with them at once.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyamai, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order, Hon. Melly. I want to say this with a lot of respect. The Speaker made a ruling yesterday, and as a friend, I took it upon myself to call and inform you of it. I also said this morning that we will...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This is a very elaborate question, Hon. Baya. If you listened to Hon. Kagiri, the question cuts across four departmental committees. We hope that the response will be equally comprehensive and elaborate.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairman, this is a very straightforward matter that does not need back and forth.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, as you are aware, when that happens, we have to adjourn. Be upstanding, Hon. Members. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 17 minutes to 12.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until today, Wednesday, 13th August 2025,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Sunkuli, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This Request for Statement is referred to the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Is the Chairperson here? Who is the Vice-Chairperson? This matter is serious and should not be left to just any Member. Hon. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Chairman, there is nothing wrong in the Committee. Isiolo County is not in Uganda or Tanzania. It is in the country. Why can't the Committee do a spot check in one of the schools, one of these days? If Members of Parliament are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') The Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Baya, this is directed to you. Considering this is an election year in Tanzania, when can we expect a response?

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya MDG) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I wish to support all reservations, but we need to be clear so that Members know what we are dealing with. At this stage, it does not matter if we were 232 and all of us said 'nay'. We have to get...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. We are not discussing the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee. Your matter is very specific. Direct it to the Departmental Committee on Education. The Committee is so directed that the response to this Statement Request will be filed in the first...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. On the issue of the Departmental Committee on Education, this was communicated yesterday by the Hon. Speaker, and it goes to all Chairpersons of committees. There is a reason why we have a Chairman and a Vice-Chairman of a committee. The idea that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’)Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, this Statement Request is directed at your committee. Hon. Gisairo,

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done! Members, for the convenience of the House, I am informed that Hon. Kirima and Hon. Kagiri are now in the House. We request that Members who have business listed in the Order Paper be here on time. It is only through your...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tubi, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Tomorrow is okay. I hope you will keep your word. Is Hon. Kirima in the House? If he is not in, we will move on to Responses to Statements raised earlier. We have three responses from the Departmental Committee on Education regarding requests for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. The earlier communication I had given still stands – that this House frowns upon Chairpersons of committees, who have the responsibility of being here but frequently fail to attend. This behaviour is unacceptable. We cannot hold Hon. Dawood accountable as he is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Isiolo County. Just hold your horses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. NOTICE OF MOTION APPROVAL OF NOMINEE FOR APPOINTMENT AS MEMBER OF THE CBK BOARD

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') We will not allow any further discussion on this matter. The Chairperson has introduced a new confusion by stating that there was NEMIS and now there is KEMIS. (Loud consultations)(Applause) THE BREASTFEEDING MOTHERS BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyamai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Proceed to lay it. Who is the Co-Chairperson of the Joint Parliamentary CBK? I would imagine this would be the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. We can skip this and come back to it later. Next order....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Makueni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Bashir, how long was your punishment?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tubi, your concern is noted. You may be aware that the relevant committee is conducting a vetting on nominees to the National Police Service Commission this morning, but its members will be in the House in the afternoon. As I said earlier in...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mumina, allow him to finish this Statement, and then we can deal with all of them together. CHALLENGES FACING THE KIAMBU NATIONAL POLYTECHNIC

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Request for Statement is directed to the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. Is the Chairperson or the Vice-Chairperson in the House? (Hon. Joyce Kamene crossed the aisle without bowing to the Chair) Hon. Kamene, what have you just done? You have done...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mumina, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo, you know that Hon. Sunkuli is a ranking Member. For clarity, go ahead and do what is requested of you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Did you hear the question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How long do you need to respond to this one?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyamai, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Lenguris.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)