David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. Members, I confirm that we have quorum. We can proceed. Call out the Orders. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR PRESENCE OF DELEGATION FROM PARLIAMENT OF UGANDA IN SPEAKER’S ROW Take your seats. Hon. Members, I wish to make a Communication with regard to the recognition of a Delegation from the...

Next Order. (Loud consultations)

I have also been to Rusinga Girls High School. Chairlady of Constitution Implementation Oversight Committee, Hon. Wamuchomba, Member for Githunguri, you have business in the House this afternoon. I hope you are aware. I assume that you are the Chairlady of the Constitution Implementation Oversight Committee. Is that the position?

Thank you. You can lay the Papers. (Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba laid the Papers on the Table) Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock.

Thank you. Proceed to lay. (Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga laid the Paper on the Table) Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives, Hon. Gakuya. He seems not to be in. Hon. Marianne, are you the one standing in for him? Go ahead

Proceed to lay. (Hon. Marianne Kitany laid the Paper on the Table) Finally, let us have Hon. Murugara, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

Next Order. NOTICE OF ADJOURNMENT ON A MATTER OF URGENT NATIONAL IMPORTANCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOCIAL HEALTH INSURANCE FUND Member for Rangwe, move your notice of Motion.

Order, Hon. Members! Kindly consult in low tones. Hon. Members, this notice of Motion is to discuss the status of SHIF. I confirm that the Member has the requisite support and, therefore, I direct that the debate on this matter begins at six o'clock this evening.

Well said, but there is nothing like “SHU.” Hon. Wamuchomba, what is out of order? If it is about the timing, then the point has been ably made by Hon. Junet. We need to hold our horses.

Thank you. Hon. Kangogo.

I will make a ruling on this. Hon. Members, looking at the Order Paper, I direct that the notice given by Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo, the Member for Rangwe, will be considered at five o'clock or upon the conclusion of Order No.11, whichever comes first. Therefore, if we finish Order...

Thank you. I saw the Chairperson of the concerned Committee here. This request is directed to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Yes, Hon. Tongoyo.

Next is the Member for Nyaribari Masaba. INSECURITY IN NYARIBARI MASABA

Hon. Tongoyo.

Thursday, next week makes a lot of sense. Not two weeks. Thank you. Hon. Manduku, it is Thursday, next week. (Hon. Julius Sunkuli spoke off the record) There is nothing out of order on that issue Hon. Sunkuli. What is out of order?

Hon. Tongoyo, you have heard. Hon. Sunkuli say that they have nothing to do with donkeys. Do not involve them on issues of donkeys. That is well said. Hon. Manduku, take it up with the Chairperson. He says he will bring a Statement on Thursday, next week, and that a...

Thank you. Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Is the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee or the Leader of the Majority Party present? This is a very urgent matter that requires immediate action. We cannot see the Chairperson or the Vice-Chairperson here. The Whip of the Majority...

Hon. Member from Kiambu, take it up with the Whip of the Majority Party so that the relevant Committee is informed accordingly.

Next is the Member for Kitui Central, Dr Makali Mulu. STATUS OF COMPENSATION TO MASTER SIMON MUEMA FOR SEVERE INJURIES SUSTAINED FROM ELECTROCUTION

Thank you. This request is directed to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Energy. Is the Chairperson present? I can see Hon. Kawaya, or is it Hon. Vincent Musau, in the House. Go ahead.

The next one week is great. Hon. Makali, I think that is fair. Next is the Member for Kipipiri. The Questions appearing on the Order Paper of today as No.5 and No.6 are deferred to a later date. (Questions deferred) Go ahead. POINT OF ORDER PENDING RESPONSE TO A REQUEST...

It is very serious. (Loud consultations)

Thank you very much. That is a fair comment on the matter.

Thank you. We are not going to debate Questions or Statements this afternoon. The next request for a Statement is by the nominated Member, Hon. Irene Mayaka. DECLARATION OF CERTAIN AREAS IN NYAMIRA COUNTY AS PROTECTED AREAS AND NATIONAL MONUMENTS

The Chairperson of the

Thank you. Hon. Kawanjiku, as you walked in, I am sure you heard the displeasure of the membership and leadership about the attendance of the chairpersons and vice-chairpersons of committees in the House. I hope you heard the displeasure and you will deal with it.

Thank you. Before I go to responses, there is a... (The Temporary Speaker consulted with the Clerks-at-the-Table) There are responses to requests for Statements to be issued by the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. The first response would be to a Statement requested by the Member for Matuga Constituency,...

Order! I am informed that Hon. Tandaza is not in the House and I do not know whether he assigned that to any other Member. If not, you can table the response and he will look at it when he comes to the House.

You are going to do that next. Is the Member for Saboti in the House? Hon. Amisi? These responses will be tabled accordingly and Members thereof lose any right to come and demand them on the Floor of the House. The responses to those two questions have been tabled by...

You do not have any minutes to donate to anybody. Hon. Members, you have heard what Hon. Toto has said happened at Longisa. All of us watched the news in horror. We will not debate this, but I will give a chance to the Member for Bomet East to say...

Thank you, Hon. Members. That marks the end of Questions and Statements. I have been moved by the Chairman of the National Government Constituencies Development Committee that he has an announcement to make. He will have three minutes or less to do so before we move to the next Order.

Thank you. (Hon. Kenneth Tungule raised his hand) Does the Hon. Member raising his hand not have a card? (Hon. Kenneth Tungule spoke off the record) I cannot see you on the screen since you do not have a card. Go ahead.

The Vice-Chairperson of the

Next Order. THE KENYA ROADS BOARD (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Members, debate on the Second Reading of this Bill was concluded. Therefore, it is time to decide. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to the Committee of the whole House) First Readings THE...

Before you move, does the Board then have five members or there are other members of the Board?

Hon. Members, join me in recognising and welcoming students from Ngoswani Boarding Community School, Narok West Constituency in Narok County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this evening. (Hon. TJ Kajwang’ spoke off the record) Hon. TJ, are you contributing?

I would allow any intervention, if there is any. Yes, Hon. Milemba.

Yes,

Hon. Thuku.

The Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, Members. Resume your seats. I can confirm that we have quorum. Therefore, we can proceed. Hon. Kawaya, Member for Mwala, you have a petition. GAZETTEMENT OF MWALA AND KALAMA SUB-COUNTIES AS HARDSHIP AREAS

Thank you. Petitions are usually committed to the Public Petitions Committee. I can see the Chairman, Hon. Mbai, is smiling. I hope you do justice to this particular Petition. I see no interventions on it. Let us move to the next Order. Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you. Well done. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUESTS FOR STATEMENTS Is Hon. Cecilia, the Member for Turkana County in the House? Go ahead. URGENT INTERVENTIONS FOR RESIDENTS AFFECTED BY CROCODILE ATTACKS ALONG LAKE TURKANA

Is Hon. Lochakapong in the House? The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Regional Development, the request for a Statement is accordingly committed to that Committee. I can see the Member for Turkana Central. I cannot see your card. Please press the intervention button.

Hon. Mbai.

Thank you. Is Hon. Mbiuki or any Member of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife in the House? I would like to order that this Statement be processed jointly by the Departmental Committee on Regional Development and the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife and bring a response to...

The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs, this is a very straightforward request. I am sure you have listened to it. How soon can you respond?

Liaise with the Member. STATUS OF EVICTION OF GONA FAMILY FROM LAND REGISTERED LR NO. MN11783 BY MAHMOUD ON 11TH OCTOBER 2024

Hon. Chonga, you have heard the response? Go ahead.

That is very well said. This is a straightforward matter. It would be okay if the Chairman could help Hon. Chonga and his constituents get the body buried. As for now, I do not know what you would want to say about that as Parliament.

Hon. Chairman, the Ministry of Interior and National Administration will have a role to play if there is no order barring the burial and someone stopping the burial. Hon. Chonga says that there is no court order barring the burial. You need to get the facts there clearly, such as...

Let Hon. Wanami have the first bite because it was his Statement. Thank you.

That is not your role at all. You know that very well. Next is the Member for Uasin Gishu.

Hon. Kakai.

Thank you. Hon. Oundo, two minutes.

Thank you. Member for Kesses, two minutes also.

Hon. Emathe you have one minute.

Thank you, Hon. Member. Hon. Mogaka.

Thank you. Hon. Pukose.

Member for Chesumei.

Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Order, Hon. Caroli. This chance goes to the Member for Nairobi.

Hon. Melly. You will have the last word on this.

Hon. Members, your presiding Chair for today went to Moi University. As I sit here listening to the Report by Hon. Melly, I can tell you for sure that the Report is so underwhelming. There is nothing you will achieve with that Report. What you have just read to the...

Hon. Donya.

I think so much has been said about Moi University so far. Hon. Chairman, you have your work cut out and I wish you all the best. Before we go to the next Order, I want to give the Hon. Member for Kisii County a chance regarding a matter of...

Hon. Osoro.

Hon. Members, I will give three Members two minutes each, for a chance to speak. Hon. Onchoke!

Hon Melly, you wanted to say something on this subject.

Hon. Mogaka.

Hon. Pukose.

I knew Hon. Opore. He was a gentleman and an old man of the House. Let us observe a moment of silence. (The House observed a moment of silence) May the Lord rest his soul in eternal peace. Next Order. THE ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT AND CO-ORDINATION (AMENDMENT) BILL THE LAND CONTROL...

Member of Parliament for Soy.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Member for Endebess.

Member for Butula.

Go ahead.

Well said. You came prepared for this debate. Is the Member for Central Imenti in the House? He already spoke. The Member for Tharaka also spoke. The Member for Wajir North, Hon. Ibrahim Saney.

Hon. Mayaka, what is it?

Is the mood of the House that we call the Mover to reply? The Hon. Sonko Nelson Koech, you have a chance to reply.

Your request that the decision on this Motion be made the next time it is put on the Order Paper is acceded to; we will vote on it when it appears next in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE TECHNOPOLIS BILL Hon. Members, debate on...

Member for Buuri.

Thank you. Hon. Millie.

Well said. We have time to listen to the Member for Githunguri.

Well said. Next is the Member for Kaiti.

Thank you. Member for Mukurweini.

Thank you too. Hon. Members, there being no further interest on this Bill, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you very much. I would have loved to give Hon. Kitur a chance but what will he be contributing on? You have already made your closing argument. You have replied. You should have given him a chance before you started replying. Hon. Kitur, I am sorry. That is what...

Hon. Members, the matter raised by the Member for Suba South is self-explanatory. As you know, when that happens, my hands get tied. I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Bell can be stopped. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, there being no...

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank Hon. Brighton and the Member from Kisii. The way we treat farmers in this country leaves so much to be desired. The only people who now earn an honest living, because we know where they get their money, are farmers. The...

Member for Nairobi County.

Thank you. Member for Uasin Gishu County.

Next is the Member for Bobasi.

Thank you. Lastly, let us have the Member for South Imenti.

Thank you, Hon. Members. Before we move to the next Order, join me in welcoming students of Masinde Muliro University from Kakamega County; Brook Hill Academy from Embakasi East, Nairobi County, and Githuguchu Primary School from Ndaragwa, Nyandarua County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to...

Thank you. Member for Uriri.

Thank you. Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, do you want to contribute to this debate?

Hon. Zamzam.

Is that the mood of the House?

Hon. Nabulindo, this is a chance to reply.

The decision on this Motion as requested by the Hon. Member will be made the next time the Motion is listed on the Order Paper. Hon. Esther Passaris. COMPREHENSIVE REFORM OF EDUCATION BURSARY SCHEMES TO ENSURE FREE BASIC EDUCATION IN KENYA

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I have a different view from that of the membership. It cannot be gainsaid that the NG-CDF is extremely important for the growth of this country. However, we have fallen short as Parliament. Every time we have had a chance to deal with...

Hon. Sirma, you will have the last bite on this matter. (Loud consultations)

Of course, Hon. Sirma, you must withdraw that remark if you, indeed, made it.

Few thieves or no thieves? Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE CONSOLIDATED FUND SERVICES EXPENDITURES FOR THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 Committee on its consideration of the Consolidated Fund Services for the Hon. Makali Mulu, you are to reply to this Motion.

Thank you so much. Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion is deferred to the next time the matter is listed on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON FUNDS SPENT CONTRARY TO PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 223 OF THE CONSTITUTION Hon. Mbai.

Thank you so much, Hon. Mbai. Hon. Members, just like the previous Motion, the decision on this particular Motion will be made the next time the matter is listed on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE COFFEE BILL Hon. Members, debate on this Bill had...

Hon. Ngusya. (Hon. Charles Nguna spoke off record) Hon. Gichimu, go ahead.

Order! Hon. Mawathe, who gave you the chance to speak? This chance is for Hon. Gichimu, Member for Gichugu. You did not even request for a chance.

Order! Hon. Gichimu.

Member for Embakasi South.

Thank you. Hon. Luyai, Member for Saboti. Hon. Oundo, Member for Funyula.

Hon. Raso, I hope you have heard the request for a statement. (Hon. Moses Kirima spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Kirima.

Hon. Kirima, what do you want to say on this request for a statement? Give him the microphone.

Hon. Member, I cannot see your card here. Hon. Ikiara.

Hon. Murugara.

Hon. Mulyungi.

You know what to do. You should not do that inside another request for a statement. This request for a statement is directed to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Hon. Raso has already said that within two weeks, he will have brought a response back to the...

Hon. Makilap.

Thank you. The next Statement to be issued would be by the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock.

Hon. Raso, this was a commitment that was made yesterday, and you are behaving as if you did not even make it.

Yes, Hon. Keynan.

Thank you. Hon. Raso, you have listened to the Member for Eldas and, from where I sit, this cannot be handled in the casual manner that the Committee wants to handle it. I would not want you to say anything on this matter, but I will order that on Tuesday,...

Thank you. Note also, that there is more than one question before your Committee dealing with abductions and disappearances, and not just this one. That is why I think it is important that the Committee takes this matter seriously. Before we go to the next response, Hon. Members, it used...

Hold on! Is the Member for Gilgil in the House? What about the Member for West Pokot? I suggest you go on with the response to the statement by the Member for West Pokot, Hon. Rael Kasiwai, if you have it. Proceed with it instead of the one you have...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Committee chaired by Hon. Wanjala, my neighbour at home, for a good Report. The National Assembly, and Parliament as a whole, operates through Bills, resolutions and petitions. To know how effective our role is and that Parliament has "teeth" depends...