David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the President’s Reservations to the National Land Commission (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 43 of 2023) , and approved the same without amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the President’s Reservations to the National Land Commission (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 43 of 2023) , and approved the same without amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Mandera South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) They are welcome. Next Order. THE BREASTFEEDING MOTHERS BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on this Bill was ongoing. I would like to know whether there are any Members who wish to speak to it. (Hon. Catherine Omanyo approached the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Member for Nyeri? Is it the Member for Nyeri?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, there being no further interest in this matter, I will call upon the Mover to reply, but before he replies, I would like to recognise students from the following schools, who are seated in the Public Gallery: Fountain Gate Preparatory School from...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, voting on this matter will be done during the next sitting, when the Bill appears on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Kisauni. 6th August 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is a point of argument, but not out of order, Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, this has been a very interesting one. As one finishes, Members have kept coming one by one. I indulge Hon. Zamzam for five minutes or less. She will be the last Member to speak on this matter before I call the Mover...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Matungulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead with your contribution, Hon. Mulanya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Tetu. Hon. Bedzimba, you are next in the queue after the Member for Tetu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Lastly on this will be the Member for Saku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Wajir North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I do not see any further requests to contribute to this Bill, so I request the Mover to reply. Member for Baringo County, do you want to contribute to the Bill? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do not disrupt the Member. Please, let him finalise.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) As requested by Hon. Shakeel, the putting of the Question on this matter is deferred accordingly. (Putting of the Question deferred)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members! Hon. Members, I welcome students from Jimjam Academy, Moiben Constituency, Uasin Gishu County; Timbila Junior Secondary School from Taveta Constituency, Taita Taveta County and Olornganayio Secondary School from Narok South, Narok County, seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kangundo, do you want to contribute to the Bill? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hold on, Hon. Abdullahi. Member for Luanda, you were the next to speak, but you removed your card. It was in the queue, but then it was removed. You were ahead of Hon. Abdullahi. Just reinsert your card, then you will speak after him....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Luanda.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. The Member for Mandera North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give me a minute, Hon. Mulanya. What is out of order, Member for Baringo? If you want to disagree with him, I will not allow you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sabina Chege, it is your chance to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Migori County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Central.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Mandera South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) They are welcome. Next Order. THE BREASTFEEDING MOTHERS BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on this Bill was ongoing. I would like to know whether there are any Members who wish to speak to it. (Hon. Catherine Omanyo approached the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Member for Nyeri? Is it the Member for Nyeri?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, there being no further interest in this matter, I will call upon the Mover to reply, but before he replies, I would like to recognise students from the following schools, who are seated in the Public Gallery: Fountain Gate Preparatory School from...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, voting on this matter will be done during the next sitting, when the Bill appears on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Kisauni. 6th August 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is a point of argument, but not out of order, Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, this has been a very interesting one. As one finishes, Members have kept coming one by one. I indulge Hon. Zamzam for five minutes or less. She will be the last Member to speak on this matter before I call the Mover...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Matungulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead with your contribution, Hon. Mulanya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Tetu. Hon. Bedzimba, you are next in the queue after the Member for Tetu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Lastly on this will be the Member for Saku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Wajir North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I do not see any further requests to contribute to this Bill, so I request the Mover to reply. Member for Baringo County, do you want to contribute to the Bill? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do not disrupt the Member. Please, let him finalise.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) As requested by Hon. Shakeel, the putting of the Question on this matter is deferred accordingly. (Putting of the Question deferred)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members! Hon. Members, I welcome students from Jimjam Academy, Moiben Constituency, Uasin Gishu County; Timbila Junior Secondary School from Taveta Constituency, Taita Taveta County and Olornganayio Secondary School from Narok South, Narok County, seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kangundo, do you want to contribute to the Bill? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hold on, Hon. Abdullahi. Member for Luanda, you were the next to speak, but you removed your card. It was in the queue, but then it was removed. You were ahead of Hon. Abdullahi. Just reinsert your card, then you will speak after him....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Luanda.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nambale.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. The Member for Mandera North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give me a minute, Hon. Mulanya. What is out of order, Member for Baringo? If you want to disagree with him, I will not allow you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Sabina Chege, it is your chance to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Migori County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Central.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I rise on a sad note under Standing Order 259 (D) (2) to pay tribute to Hon. James Mukhongo Barasa Mukhongo, a Member of the Bungoma County Assembly for Chwele/Kabuchai Ward, who passed on yesterday. Hon. Speaker, you would know him better as...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I rise on a sad note under Standing Order 259 (D) (2) to pay tribute to Hon. James Mukhongo Barasa Mukhongo, a Member of the Bungoma County Assembly for Chwele/Kabuchai Ward, who passed on yesterday. Hon. Speaker, you would know him better as...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kitui South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I was hoping that at some point, Hon. Sabina Chege and Hon. Hilary would inform us that they are relinquishing their medical scheme in Parliament. Next is the Member for Dagoretti North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Waluke, talk to your friend and ask him to do the right thing. (Hon. John Koyi consulted with Hon. Innocent Obiri) Is that Hon. Obiri? You know what to do. (Hon. Innocent Obiri went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair) Proceed,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, before we go to Hon. Member for Seme, join me in welcoming students from Blessed Christian Centre School, Makadara Constituency, Nairobi County, seated in the Public Gallery. In the Speaker’s Gallery are students from the Fountain School, Gatundu South, Kiambu County and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance goes to the Member for Elgeyo Marakwet

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We shall proceed with the debate. We will retrieve the Motion as approved by the Speaker, then amend it at that time. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, you had told us before that SHA was part of your brainchild, and it is possible for it to work. I am wondering thus: if you want to have this policy, you need to handle one matter, and this will work....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will seek clarification and amend accordingly. Member for Endebess, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) If there is no interest in this, for obvious reasons, we will move to the next Order. The Question will be put to this matter when we have the necessary quorum. 23rd July 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 16 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Next...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. We will listen to the Member for Taita Taveta County in silence. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I must remind Members that the Motion on the Floor of the House is not about village elders from Moiben. The Motion on the POLICY ON MANDATORY USE OF PUBLIC HEALTHCARE FACILITIES BY PUBLIC OFFICERS

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) I did not know the kind of things you discuss with Hon. Thuku are that terrible. Member for Mombasa County, the Floor is yours.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, this is a very important Motion. I request that you consult in low tones to allow Members to be heard as they debate. (Question proposed) The first chance goes to Hon. Hilary Kosgei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Endebess, the Mover of the Motion says that she has a point of order. Have a seat. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Taita Taveta County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead. In any case, Hon. Pukose, you know that you can amend the Motion.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, we have guests. In the Public Gallery, we have students from Karirikania Comprehensive School, Kuresoi North Constituency, Nakuru County, and students from Digital Junior Educational Centre in Embakasi West, Nairobi County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this morning in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Not that way, Hon. Sabina Chege. You are now a seasoned Member. This is your chance to debate the Motion - you have already read it aloud. Can you now tell us what you want this House to do, as usual? After that, you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Member for Kwanza. You cannot be casting aspersions on the Speakership every time you are given a chance to speak. You queued. All those who have spoken before you queued. You cannot be doing that all the time. Have your chance and let...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Eli Letipila is now recognised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Eli Letipila is now recognised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. (Hon. Adan Keynan spoke off the record)

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give me one minute, Hon. Pauline. Members, join me in welcoming students from DEB Kianda Primary School, Buuri Constituency, Meru County, and students from Bishop Lawrence Bessone Primary School, 11th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21 Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)North Imenti, Meru...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He was contributing to something on coffee yesterday, and he used the same words you have used. I do not know whether you were in the same history class.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Farah, there is interest on this. You have 30 seconds to completely wind up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Orero, umeridhika?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Bill deferred)Thank you. In view of the fact that this matter of harmonisation has taken a long time, more than a year, I order that a report of that exercise of harmonisation be brought to the House on Wednesday, next week. I hope you understand...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you very much, Hon. Timothy. For the reasons advanced by Hon. Timothy this Bill is also stood down to the next time it is put in the Order Paper. I will not be able to say when as of now.(Bill deferred)Thank you. MANDATORY USE...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Well said. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona (Suba North, ODM) : On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. 11th June 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You surely know there is nothing out of order there.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not need to say anything on that, do you? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adan here.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, I have a list. You are all my friends, so as usual, I will follow the list. Raising your hand up will not help you in this regard. (Laughter)(Applause)(Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You were in the same class as Hon. Adan Keynan?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, she thinks about you every time. Hon. Members, before we go to the next Order, join me to welcome students seated in the Public Gallery. They are:Nguluni Secondary School, Kaiti Constituency, Makueni County. In the Speaker’s Gallery, we have South Tetu Girls High...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Orero is here, he is back but I will not give him a chance because if he is your junior, then he cannot comment on those kind of matters as regards you especially. Hon. Kaluma, on this issue of harmonisation, one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will allow you 30 seconds to wind up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hate to interrupt you, but last time I checked, you were in some county as a very senior official. I hope you did not buy a seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Well said. Thank you. Next is the Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Were you in the same history class as him?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is the one passing through Kotulo?