David Ouma Ochieng'

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am already brief. I am quite short. Sugar is not just a product that is put on our tables. It is a political product. It has always been all over the world. There are only two kinds of barons in the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I have sat here listening pensively to my friend, the Cabinet Secretary for Sports. I can tell you from where I sit, he is not in charge because he kept passing the blame on federations. On the Special Olympics, it is the Olympics Committee that...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to ask a question.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, ODM) Hon. Temporary Speaker, if you allow me, I want to ask all my questions so I do not come back.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) One, what is the Cabinet Secretary doing to ensure he takes charge of the Ministry and sports affairs in the country? Two, we have heard this Government works through an approach called ‘one government’. As a follow-up question: Is it the policy of the Government...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.35 of 2023) up to the provisions relating to the Proceeds...

Hon. Millie. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Order. Just take your seat for a minute, Hon. Ichung’wah.I, therefore, support the amendment. Please, you can put the Question. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Leader of the Majority Party, you need to consult with the Chairperson because he is proposing to...

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you. (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, proposed) (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, put and agreed to) (Question, that the new clause be added to the Bill, put and agreed to) Hon....

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) This can go either way, Hon. Members. Hon. Wangwe.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Climate Change (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.42 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will allow the Chairperson to move the amendments. In fact, he has taken into account what was raised by Hon. Kajwang’ in the morning. He is proposing a further amendment. After he moves, if you can convince him to adopt your amendment, I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Millie.

Hon. Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you.(Question, that the word to be left out be left out, put and agreed to)(New Section 992A as amended agreed to)(Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)(Provisions relating to the Companies Act, No.17 of 2015...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kajwang’ what is it? I want to propose the Question first and then you can have a word. (Question of the amendment proposed) Hon. Kajwang’

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Ten seconds. Ken Chonga (Kilifi South, ODM) : There are people who are genuinely suffering because of land that rightfully and legally belongs to them. There is need, therefore, to support this Motion and, if possible, escalate it further to a Bill. The Temporary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Honourable, you shall not call the Chair from your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mwenje, this is your chance to reply because the time for the Motion is spent.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chiforomodo will get a minute, but next time he puts his card he should be in the House. We called his name earlier and he was not in. Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chiforomodo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, the Motion is well spent and the Question will be put the next time this matter is scheduled on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kagiri. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jane Kagiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow me to recognise, in the Public Gallery, pupils from the following schools: Bright Future Academy, Lari, Kiambu County; and Chepketeret Primary School, Keiyo South, Elgeyo Marakwet County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Member for Kibra, two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This seems to be an issue for Members from Nairobi County. I will give this chance to the Member for Starehe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kirinyaga Central.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') Hon. Jalang’o, do not be fooled; he does not speak for ODM. Member for Suba South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I cannot see the Member for Mandera West and the Member for Kitui East. Where did they go? The Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon Members, the time allotted for this Motion is spent. I, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kodhe, you have five minutes. Therefore, indicate how much time you are donating to Hon. Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That means that when they finish, you will not say a thing.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will not have any minute left. Go ahead, Hon. Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Who was next?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Amisi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Who is Hon. ‘Jalas’?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Amisi, your time is up. You actually only had one minute. Hon. Jalang’o, you have 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Member, when you are replying, say you beg to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon Members, we will not put the Question on that particular Motion for obvious reasons. I, therefore, call for the next Order. 16th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21 DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROGRAMME FOR VOLUNTARY REGULARISATION OF LAND OCCUPIED BY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is what he did. The Motion is his and he has done the right thing. He has presented the Motion and he is moving it. That is how it is done. Resume your seat Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead Hon. Mwenje. Do not allow Hon. Kirima to keep misleading you. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He cannot be allowed to bully you at all. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) A few more seconds, Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Maungu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this cherry would be the Member for Central Imenti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kanduyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming pupils from Suswa Lerai School, Narok East Constituency, Narok County; and students from Mumtaz Academy, Matuga Constituency, Kwale County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this morning and afternoon. The next chance goes to the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. Member for Likoni. Commissioner, you can use the microphone right in front of you or the one next to you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Aldai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, I wish to recognise, in the Speaker’s Gallery, pupils from Kwakulu Primary School. Hon. Eckomas, how does one read this name? Is it Kwakulu or Kwakyulu? Kwakulu Primary School from Yatta in Machakos County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Kwakulu Primary School from Yatta in Machakos County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Isiolo County. I am aware that she does not have a card. 16th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done. Member for Westlands, Hon. Tim Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kibwezi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Member for Roysambu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Let us have Hon. Chonga. Member for Kilifi South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Ten seconds. Ken Chonga (Kilifi South, ODM) : There are people who are genuinely suffering because of land that rightfully and legally belongs to them. There is need, therefore, to support this Motion and, if possible, escalate it further to a Bill. The Temporary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Honourable, you shall not call the Chair from your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mwenje, this is your chance to reply because the time for the Motion is spent.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chiforomodo will get a minute, but next time he puts his card he should be in the House. We called his name earlier and he was not in. Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chiforomodo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, the Motion is well spent and the Question will be put the next time this matter is scheduled on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kagiri. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jane Kagiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow me to recognise, in the Public Gallery, pupils from the following schools: Bright Future Academy, Lari, Kiambu County; and Chepketeret Primary School, Keiyo South, Elgeyo Marakwet County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Member for Kibra, two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This seems to be an issue for Members from Nairobi County. I will give this chance to the Member for Starehe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kirinyaga Central.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') Hon. Jalang’o, do not be fooled; he does not speak for ODM. Member for Suba South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I cannot see the Member for Mandera West and the Member for Kitui East. Where did they go? The Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon Members, the time allotted for this Motion is spent. I, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kodhe, you have five minutes. Therefore, indicate how much time you are donating to Hon. Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That means that when they finish, you will not say a thing.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will not have any minute left. Go ahead, Hon. Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Who was next?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Amisi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Who is Hon. ‘Jalas’?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Amisi, your time is up. You actually only had one minute. Hon. Jalang’o, you have 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Member, when you are replying, say you beg to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon Members, we will not put the Question on that particular Motion for obvious reasons. I, therefore, call for the next Order. 16th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21 DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROGRAMME FOR VOLUNTARY REGULARISATION OF LAND OCCUPIED BY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is what he did. The Motion is his and he has done the right thing. He has presented the Motion and he is moving it. That is how it is done. Resume your seat Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead Hon. Mwenje. Do not allow Hon. Kirima to keep misleading you. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He cannot be allowed to bully you at all. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) A few more seconds, Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Maungu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this cherry would be the Member for Central Imenti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kanduyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming pupils from Suswa Lerai School, Narok East Constituency, Narok County; and students from Mumtaz Academy, Matuga Constituency, Kwale County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this morning and afternoon. The next chance goes to the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. Member for Likoni. Commissioner, you can use the microphone right in front of you or the one next to you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Aldai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, I wish to recognise, in the Speaker’s Gallery, pupils from Kwakulu Primary School. Hon. Eckomas, how does one read this name? Is it Kwakulu or Kwakyulu? Kwakulu Primary School from Yatta in Machakos County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Kwakulu Primary School from Yatta in Machakos County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Isiolo County. I am aware that she does not have a card. 16th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done. Member for Westlands, Hon. Tim Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kibwezi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Member for Roysambu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Let us have Hon. Chonga. Member for Kilifi South.

Hon. David Ochieng' (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Mark Twain defines patriotism as supporting your country always and your government when it deserves it. As a people, it behoves us to ensure that this country is always viable and running well as a growing concern. I thank...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon.Farah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Asante sana, Mhe. Fatuma Masito. Hon. Members, the Mover of this Motion will be called upon to reply the next time it is slotted in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Before the Member for Kwale takes the chance, let me recognise and welcome pupils from Aiyebo Primary school, Baringo North Constituency in Baringo County; Karunga Primary School, Gilgil, Nakuru County; and and students from Nzukini Secondary School, Masinga Constituency, Machakos County. They are welcome...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Member for Embu County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Mumias East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have Hon. Jackson Kosgei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Githure Primary School, Gichugu Constituency in Kirinyaga County and pupils from Kiamanyeki Primary School from Mwea Constituency, Kirinyaga County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. The Member for Samburu, Hon. Pauline...

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng) Give her one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Very well said, such a graphic description of the worms and how they affect the body. This chance goes to the Member for Turkana, Hon. Cicilia Ngitit.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Join me in welcoming students of Mbauini Secondary School, Lari Constituency, Kiambu County. They are welcomed to follow our Proceedings this Afternoon. Member for Mombasa, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. Member for Igembe North, Hon. Taitumu

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo, Member for Marsabit County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Buuri, we wish to join you in welcoming pupils from the Catholic Church Mission, Mitoone Primary School, Buuri Constituency, Meru County. Take your seat, Member for Buuri. We have students from Kinyach Primary School, Baringo North Constituency, Baringo County; Father Martin Boyle...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Before I propose the Motion for debate, Member for Mogotio, the Hon. Speaker made a Communication regarding dress code sometime in March this year. I would like to read for you part of what the Speaker communicated. The Speaker communicated...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Where is the Member for Mogotio? (Hon. Kiborek Reuben stood in his place) I will give this chance to the Member who was on the Floor of the House to finish her contribution and second the Motion. Then we will deal with the Member...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Points of order are asked for using a very simple process. You press the intervention button then I will see you. I cannot see you. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Hon Members, the time for this Motion is spent, and the Question will be put at the next available time for a decision. We now move to Order No.15. NATIONAL POLICY ON DEWORMING OF SCHOOL-GOING CHILDREN The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng')...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Brighton, remember you only have one minute left before you proceed. You thought you had eight minutes when you only had five. I wish to recognise, in the Speaker's Gallery, students from St. Vincent De Paul Boys Primary School in Kitutu South, Kisii...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, one-and-a-half minutes please.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) These are Hon. Members. So you call them Hon. Naomi and Hon. Farah. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Manyatta, we had a Motion that you are debating. You are completely out of order. Next time you are given a chance, debate the Motion on the Floor not your own Motion. Your time is spent. You had only a minute....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I wish to recognise pupils of ACK Mukangu Primary School from Manyatta Constituency, Embu County; and Mutumu Boarding Primary School from Maara Constituency, Tharaka-Nithi County, seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this Morning....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a Member whose card is not working. I have been told she was among the first people to be here. If your card is not working, it is good to let the Clerks-at-the-Table know. That chance is yours now. (Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Suba South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Samburu County, Hon. Lenguris.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. I wish to recognise the following students in the Public Gallery: Pupils from Mangoto Primary School from Maragwa Constituency in Murang’a County; and students from Kituro High School from Baringo Central Constituency, Baringo County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tindi Mwale, my board shows that Hon. Fatuma was ahead of you in terms of logging in and asking for time. Just bide for your time. Go ahead, Hon. Fatuma.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Fatuma Mohammed of Migori.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Parliament for Samburu East, Hon. Lekumontare.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Shakeel Shabbir of Kisumu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Andrew Okuome of Karachuonyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Abdul Haro, Member for Mandera South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Busia County, Hon. Catherine Omanyo. 9th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Before I give the next contributor an opportunity, I would like to recognise the presence of students of Olooltoto Boarding Primary School from Narok North Constituency, Narok County in the Public Gallery; and Karua Primary School from Laikipia East Constituency,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon.Farah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Asante sana, Mhe. Fatuma Masito. Hon. Members, the Mover of this Motion will be called upon to reply the next time it is slotted in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Before the Member for Kwale takes the chance, let me recognise and welcome pupils from Aiyebo Primary school, Baringo North Constituency in Baringo County; Karunga Primary School, Gilgil, Nakuru County; and and students from Nzukini Secondary School, Masinga Constituency, Machakos County. They are welcome...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Member for Embu County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Mumias East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have Hon. Jackson Kosgei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Githure Primary School, Gichugu Constituency in Kirinyaga County and pupils from Kiamanyeki Primary School from Mwea Constituency, Kirinyaga County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. The Member for Samburu, Hon. Pauline...

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng) Give her one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Very well said, such a graphic description of the worms and how they affect the body. This chance goes to the Member for Turkana, Hon. Cicilia Ngitit.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Join me in welcoming students of Mbauini Secondary School, Lari Constituency, Kiambu County. They are welcomed to follow our Proceedings this Afternoon. Member for Mombasa, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. Member for Igembe North, Hon. Taitumu

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo, Member for Marsabit County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Buuri, we wish to join you in welcoming pupils from the Catholic Church Mission, Mitoone Primary School, Buuri Constituency, Meru County. Take your seat, Member for Buuri. We have students from Kinyach Primary School, Baringo North Constituency, Baringo County; Father Martin Boyle...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Before I propose the Motion for debate, Member for Mogotio, the Hon. Speaker made a Communication regarding dress code sometime in March this year. I would like to read for you part of what the Speaker communicated. The Speaker communicated...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Where is the Member for Mogotio? (Hon. Kiborek Reuben stood in his place) I will give this chance to the Member who was on the Floor of the House to finish her contribution and second the Motion. Then we will deal with the Member...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Points of order are asked for using a very simple process. You press the intervention button then I will see you. I cannot see you. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Hon Members, the time for this Motion is spent, and the Question will be put at the next available time for a decision. We now move to Order No.15. NATIONAL POLICY ON DEWORMING OF SCHOOL-GOING CHILDREN The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng')...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Brighton, remember you only have one minute left before you proceed. You thought you had eight minutes when you only had five. I wish to recognise, in the Speaker's Gallery, students from St. Vincent De Paul Boys Primary School in Kitutu South, Kisii...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, one-and-a-half minutes please.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) These are Hon. Members. So you call them Hon. Naomi and Hon. Farah. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Manyatta, we had a Motion that you are debating. You are completely out of order. Next time you are given a chance, debate the Motion on the Floor not your own Motion. Your time is spent. You had only a minute....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I wish to recognise pupils of ACK Mukangu Primary School from Manyatta Constituency, Embu County; and Mutumu Boarding Primary School from Maara Constituency, Tharaka-Nithi County, seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this Morning....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a Member whose card is not working. I have been told she was among the first people to be here. If your card is not working, it is good to let the Clerks-at-the-Table know. That chance is yours now. (Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Suba South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Samburu County, Hon. Lenguris.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. I wish to recognise the following students in the Public Gallery: Pupils from Mangoto Primary School from Maragwa Constituency in Murang’a County; and students from Kituro High School from Baringo Central Constituency, Baringo County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tindi Mwale, my board shows that Hon. Fatuma was ahead of you in terms of logging in and asking for time. Just bide for your time. Go ahead, Hon. Fatuma.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Fatuma Mohammed of Migori.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Parliament for Samburu East, Hon. Lekumontare.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Shakeel Shabbir of Kisumu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Andrew Okuome of Karachuonyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Abdul Haro, Member for Mandera South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Busia County, Hon. Catherine Omanyo. 9th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Before I give the next contributor an opportunity, I would like to recognise the presence of students of Olooltoto Boarding Primary School from Narok North Constituency, Narok County in the Public Gallery; and Karua Primary School from Laikipia East Constituency,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Melly! He has said the only thing he sees, so you cannot claim to be seeing for him.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri, go on with your debate.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri was way ahead. He just did not have a card. 5th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Nyikal. The Member for Kabuchai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! I am seeing everyone looking at me. I have given an opportunity to seven Members on my right side and not a single Member on my left side since we started this debate. So, relax. We are a House that has a Majority...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, proceed with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omboko Milemba, Hon. John Koyi has just decided that your point of order was not necessary. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have Hon. John Koyi. 5th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Duncan Mathenge, you probably know that under the rules we changed, independent commissions answer questions at the committee level. All the commissions in this country are supposed to direct their answers to questions to the relevant committees.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, if you ask to speak, you should look at your microphones. They are there so that you can see them and speak. Hon. Mathenge.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is your chance to…

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mutunga, I would wish so too. Two Members have already approached me about it here. Hon. Mutunga, who has been in Parliament for two terms should know the rules. I would also wish that way. However, we have done this before. Where there...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tigania West Constituency, Hon. Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Lari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Kitui South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, please be upstanding. The time being 1.13 p.m., this House stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Next is Hon. Makilap.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Karachuonyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kihara, now you know.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Naivasha Constituency, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Mathenge, explain to the Member for Naivasha what “Mafia House” means.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nyeri Town Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kipipiri Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Back to you, Hon. Oundo. I think you are winding up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. You have to inform him in a minute because you have already contributed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo, there is a request by the Member for Uasin Gishu County to inform you. Do you want to be informed by her?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do you want to be informed by Hon. Osoro?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance goes to the Member for Mandera South. He is the first on the requests list. I will not encourage Members to raise their hands. I have a list that I will follow. Do not raise your hand and do not come to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Uasin Gishu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It should be known that we are discussing a Bill related to healthcare. We are not discussing lawyers’ fee. I direct you to proceed with your contribution the way it was going on before the interruptions.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Osoro, you shall proceed with your debate regardless of what the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health does.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, Hon. Gichohi. I will have my eyes on the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health and ensure that he does the right thing. Hon. Osoro, go on.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that the Member for Mukurweini?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr, I am sure you will have a chance to debate and be able to make that point. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Osoro! Take your seat. No, it is not done like that. You do not...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order? (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, did you finish your contribution?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. What is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kisumu East, you want to contribute on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Members, the debate on this Bill is done. The time allocated to it has lapsed. I have asked the Mover to reply the next time this Bill will be called out. Therefore, the Mover will reply next time the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Shakeel, I will interrupt your presentation. (The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) spoke off record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) When the Motion comes up next, you will have a balance of five minutes. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Hassan, Member for Kamukunji. We cannot see your card. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Debate on this Motion is now open and the first person to contribute is the Member of Parliament for Bureti, Hon. Kibet Komingoi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Shakeel you only have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kisumu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I called out the Member for Makueni, who I think to be you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kigumo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Makueni. This Member is in the House!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. That is well noted. Go on, Hon. Kihara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Technical hitch)Hon. Didmus Barasa, is it true that you did not get a chance to appear before the Departmental Committee on Health on this Bill? Do you have your card? Just put it in somewhere. Okay. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The issue is not whether you appeared or not. The issue is whether you were invited to appear before the Committee. Did you get any invitation?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It cannot happen. But proceed with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Naivasha.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jayne Kihara, you have said that the Mover of this Bill was not called to appear before the Committee. Is it the factual position? Have you checked with the Mover?