David Ouma Ochieng'

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kiambaa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give Hon. Osoro a minute more. Hon. Osoro, kindly take your seat. I want to listen to Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey, I said I would follow the list. You are fourth or fifth in the list that I have. So, stop raising your hand now and when I give someone an opportunity.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The last part is most important actually. The Member for Kisii.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, take 30 seconds so that we finalise this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for South Mugirango.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member for Sigowet/Soin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Mwingi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Khwisero.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Moi Girls Isinya High School in Kajiado East Constituency, Kajiado County; St. Monica Munyaka Girls Secondary School in Kieni Constituency, Nyeri County, and Gaitu Secondary School in Central Imenti Constituency, Meru County. They are all welcome...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, never repeat what you have just done today. You can never pass in front of a Member contributing looking at his eyes directly. You are not supposed to pass between him and the Speaker. By doing that, you will be distracting the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to move the Motion in silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mule, that was not your chance to contribute. This chance now goes to the Member for Suna West. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kimilili has requested that we ask the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply? (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order, Hon. Osoro. Take your seat. You...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey. Is it Lafey or Lafi?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, before I propose the question, join me in welcoming students from Machakos Girls’ High School, who are seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceedings today. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Japheth Nyakundi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I hope the Chairperson for Budget and Appropriations Committee got that. Let us have the Hon. Member for Kimilili. As I said earlier Hon. Members, there are Members who started queuing at 9:30 a.m. and are still on this queue. I am...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is giving notice of the Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION CONSIDERATION OF THE BUDGET POLICY STATEMENT FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 AND THE MEDIUM TERM

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Didmus Barasa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') What is your point of order, Hon. Mbadi? Hon. Murugara, take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Mbadi, you have heard what Hon. Makali has said. I know you are the Chair, Public Accounts Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, you and that team are so jumpy and active today. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. The Question on this matter will be put the next time this Bill is put up for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The time being 1.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Samburu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Happyland Girls Senior School, from Kajiado East in the Speakers Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceeding this afternoon. I allow Hon. Caleb Mule to welcome students from Machakos Girls High School and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before we go to the next order, I will allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to table the document he has. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 101

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, approach the Clerks-at-the-Table and table the document as it were. Table it. You are supposed to table it. Chairman of Budget and Appropriations Committee, you know what to do. What you did before you tabled was not the right thing to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have made your point, Hon. Ruku. Keep your seat. Hon. Osoro, did you do that?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Alego Usonga

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is it the mood of the House that we allow the Mover to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. You gave the notice and proceeded to read the notice itself. You will do all that again in the afternoon. However, the notice is dully given. The Motion will be debated in the afternoon. Next Order. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') That is all in order, but you know the drill. Hon. Gikaria, you and I have been here since 28th March 2013. You, therefore, know what you are supposed to do. Take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') You know that you should have done it earlier. This should have been done at the beginning of this debate. However, Hon. Members, 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 91 The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng')I request that when we give you a chance,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Japheth Nyakundi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Didmus Barasa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member for Sigowet/Soin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Mwingi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey, I said I would follow the list. You are fourth or fifth in the list that I have. So, stop raising your hand now and when I give someone an opportunity.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. The Question on this matter will be put the next time this Bill is put up for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The time being 1.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') What is your point of order, Hon. Mbadi? Hon. Murugara, take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Samburu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. You gave the notice and proceeded to read the notice itself. You will do all that again in the afternoon. However, the notice is dully given. The Motion will be debated in the afternoon. Next Order. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have made your point, Hon. Ruku. Keep your seat. Hon. Osoro, did you do that?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') That is all in order, but you know the drill. Hon. Gikaria, you and I have been here since 28th March 2013. You, therefore, know what you are supposed to do. Take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give Hon. Osoro a minute more. Hon. Osoro, kindly take your seat. I want to listen to Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is it the mood of the House that we allow the Mover to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for South Mugirango.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') You know that you should have done it earlier. This should have been done at the beginning of this debate. However, Hon. Members, 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 91 The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng')I request that when we give you a chance,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, take 30 seconds so that we finalise this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey. Is it Lafey or Lafi?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Happyland Girls Senior School, from Kajiado East in the Speakers Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceeding this afternoon. I allow Hon. Caleb Mule to welcome students from Machakos Girls High School and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kiambaa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, before I propose the question, join me in welcoming students from Machakos Girls’ High School, who are seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceedings today. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Khwisero.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to move the Motion in silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Moi Girls Isinya High School in Kajiado East Constituency, Kajiado County; St. Monica Munyaka Girls Secondary School in Kieni Constituency, Nyeri County, and Gaitu Secondary School in Central Imenti Constituency, Meru County. They are all welcome...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, never repeat what you have just done today. You can never pass in front of a Member contributing looking at his eyes directly. You are not supposed to pass between him and the Speaker. By doing that, you will be distracting the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kimilili has requested that we ask the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply? (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order, Hon. Osoro. Take your seat. You...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before we go to the next order, I will allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to table the document he has. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 101

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I hope the Chairperson for Budget and Appropriations Committee got that. Let us have the Hon. Member for Kimilili. As I said earlier Hon. Members, there are Members who started queuing at 9:30 a.m. and are still on this queue. I am...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The last part is most important actually. The Member for Kisii.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, approach the Clerks-at-the-Table and table the document as it were. Table it. You are supposed to table it. Chairman of Budget and Appropriations Committee, you know what to do. What you did before you tabled was not the right thing to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is giving notice of the Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION CONSIDERATION OF THE BUDGET POLICY STATEMENT FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 AND THE MEDIUM TERM

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Mbadi, you have heard what Hon. Makali has said. I know you are the Chair, Public Accounts Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, you and that team are so jumpy and active today. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Alego Usonga

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mule, that was not your chance to contribute. This chance now goes to the Member for Suna West. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kiambaa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give Hon. Osoro a minute more. Hon. Osoro, kindly take your seat. I want to listen to Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey, I said I would follow the list. You are fourth or fifth in the list that I have. So, stop raising your hand now and when I give someone an opportunity.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The last part is most important actually. The Member for Kisii.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, take 30 seconds so that we finalise this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for South Mugirango.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member for Sigowet/Soin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Mwingi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Khwisero.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Moi Girls Isinya High School in Kajiado East Constituency, Kajiado County; St. Monica Munyaka Girls Secondary School in Kieni Constituency, Nyeri County, and Gaitu Secondary School in Central Imenti Constituency, Meru County. They are all welcome...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, never repeat what you have just done today. You can never pass in front of a Member contributing looking at his eyes directly. You are not supposed to pass between him and the Speaker. By doing that, you will be distracting the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to move the Motion in silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mule, that was not your chance to contribute. This chance now goes to the Member for Suna West. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kimilili has requested that we ask the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply? (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order, Hon. Osoro. Take your seat. You...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey. Is it Lafey or Lafi?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, before I propose the question, join me in welcoming students from Machakos Girls’ High School, who are seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceedings today. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Japheth Nyakundi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I hope the Chairperson for Budget and Appropriations Committee got that. Let us have the Hon. Member for Kimilili. As I said earlier Hon. Members, there are Members who started queuing at 9:30 a.m. and are still on this queue. I am...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is giving notice of the Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION CONSIDERATION OF THE BUDGET POLICY STATEMENT FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 AND THE MEDIUM TERM

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Didmus Barasa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') What is your point of order, Hon. Mbadi? Hon. Murugara, take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Mbadi, you have heard what Hon. Makali has said. I know you are the Chair, Public Accounts Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, you and that team are so jumpy and active today. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. The Question on this matter will be put the next time this Bill is put up for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The time being 1.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Samburu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Happyland Girls Senior School, from Kajiado East in the Speakers Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceeding this afternoon. I allow Hon. Caleb Mule to welcome students from Machakos Girls High School and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before we go to the next order, I will allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to table the document he has. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 101

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, approach the Clerks-at-the-Table and table the document as it were. Table it. You are supposed to table it. Chairman of Budget and Appropriations Committee, you know what to do. What you did before you tabled was not the right thing to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have made your point, Hon. Ruku. Keep your seat. Hon. Osoro, did you do that?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Alego Usonga

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is it the mood of the House that we allow the Mover to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. You gave the notice and proceeded to read the notice itself. You will do all that again in the afternoon. However, the notice is dully given. The Motion will be debated in the afternoon. Next Order. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') That is all in order, but you know the drill. Hon. Gikaria, you and I have been here since 28th March 2013. You, therefore, know what you are supposed to do. Take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') You know that you should have done it earlier. This should have been done at the beginning of this debate. However, Hon. Members, 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 91 The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng')I request that when we give you a chance,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Japheth Nyakundi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Didmus Barasa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member for Sigowet/Soin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Mwingi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey, I said I would follow the list. You are fourth or fifth in the list that I have. So, stop raising your hand now and when I give someone an opportunity.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. The Question on this matter will be put the next time this Bill is put up for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The time being 1.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') What is your point of order, Hon. Mbadi? Hon. Murugara, take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Samburu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. You gave the notice and proceeded to read the notice itself. You will do all that again in the afternoon. However, the notice is dully given. The Motion will be debated in the afternoon. Next Order. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have made your point, Hon. Ruku. Keep your seat. Hon. Osoro, did you do that?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') That is all in order, but you know the drill. Hon. Gikaria, you and I have been here since 28th March 2013. You, therefore, know what you are supposed to do. Take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give Hon. Osoro a minute more. Hon. Osoro, kindly take your seat. I want to listen to Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is it the mood of the House that we allow the Mover to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for South Mugirango.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') You know that you should have done it earlier. This should have been done at the beginning of this debate. However, Hon. Members, 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 91 The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng')I request that when we give you a chance,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, take 30 seconds so that we finalise this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey. Is it Lafey or Lafi?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Happyland Girls Senior School, from Kajiado East in the Speakers Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceeding this afternoon. I allow Hon. Caleb Mule to welcome students from Machakos Girls High School and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kiambaa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, before I propose the question, join me in welcoming students from Machakos Girls’ High School, who are seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceedings today. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Khwisero.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to move the Motion in silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Moi Girls Isinya High School in Kajiado East Constituency, Kajiado County; St. Monica Munyaka Girls Secondary School in Kieni Constituency, Nyeri County, and Gaitu Secondary School in Central Imenti Constituency, Meru County. They are all welcome...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, never repeat what you have just done today. You can never pass in front of a Member contributing looking at his eyes directly. You are not supposed to pass between him and the Speaker. By doing that, you will be distracting the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kimilili has requested that we ask the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply? (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order, Hon. Osoro. Take your seat. You...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before we go to the next order, I will allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to table the document he has. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 101

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I hope the Chairperson for Budget and Appropriations Committee got that. Let us have the Hon. Member for Kimilili. As I said earlier Hon. Members, there are Members who started queuing at 9:30 a.m. and are still on this queue. I am...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The last part is most important actually. The Member for Kisii.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, approach the Clerks-at-the-Table and table the document as it were. Table it. You are supposed to table it. Chairman of Budget and Appropriations Committee, you know what to do. What you did before you tabled was not the right thing to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is giving notice of the Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION CONSIDERATION OF THE BUDGET POLICY STATEMENT FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 AND THE MEDIUM TERM

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Mbadi, you have heard what Hon. Makali has said. I know you are the Chair, Public Accounts Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, you and that team are so jumpy and active today. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Alego Usonga

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mule, that was not your chance to contribute. This chance now goes to the Member for Suna West. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kiambaa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give Hon. Osoro a minute more. Hon. Osoro, kindly take your seat. I want to listen to Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey, I said I would follow the list. You are fourth or fifth in the list that I have. So, stop raising your hand now and when I give someone an opportunity.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The last part is most important actually. The Member for Kisii.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, take 30 seconds so that we finalise this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for South Mugirango.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member for Sigowet/Soin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Mwingi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Khwisero.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Moi Girls Isinya High School in Kajiado East Constituency, Kajiado County; St. Monica Munyaka Girls Secondary School in Kieni Constituency, Nyeri County, and Gaitu Secondary School in Central Imenti Constituency, Meru County. They are all welcome...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, never repeat what you have just done today. You can never pass in front of a Member contributing looking at his eyes directly. You are not supposed to pass between him and the Speaker. By doing that, you will be distracting the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to move the Motion in silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mule, that was not your chance to contribute. This chance now goes to the Member for Suna West. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kimilili has requested that we ask the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply? (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order, Hon. Osoro. Take your seat. You...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey. Is it Lafey or Lafi?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, before I propose the question, join me in welcoming students from Machakos Girls’ High School, who are seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceedings today. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Japheth Nyakundi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I hope the Chairperson for Budget and Appropriations Committee got that. Let us have the Hon. Member for Kimilili. As I said earlier Hon. Members, there are Members who started queuing at 9:30 a.m. and are still on this queue. I am...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is giving notice of the Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION CONSIDERATION OF THE BUDGET POLICY STATEMENT FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 AND THE MEDIUM TERM

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Didmus Barasa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') What is your point of order, Hon. Mbadi? Hon. Murugara, take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Mbadi, you have heard what Hon. Makali has said. I know you are the Chair, Public Accounts Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, you and that team are so jumpy and active today. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. The Question on this matter will be put the next time this Bill is put up for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The time being 1.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Samburu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Happyland Girls Senior School, from Kajiado East in the Speakers Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceeding this afternoon. I allow Hon. Caleb Mule to welcome students from Machakos Girls High School and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before we go to the next order, I will allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to table the document he has. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 101

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, approach the Clerks-at-the-Table and table the document as it were. Table it. You are supposed to table it. Chairman of Budget and Appropriations Committee, you know what to do. What you did before you tabled was not the right thing to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have made your point, Hon. Ruku. Keep your seat. Hon. Osoro, did you do that?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Alego Usonga

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is it the mood of the House that we allow the Mover to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. You gave the notice and proceeded to read the notice itself. You will do all that again in the afternoon. However, the notice is dully given. The Motion will be debated in the afternoon. Next Order. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') That is all in order, but you know the drill. Hon. Gikaria, you and I have been here since 28th March 2013. You, therefore, know what you are supposed to do. Take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') You know that you should have done it earlier. This should have been done at the beginning of this debate. However, Hon. Members, 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 91 The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng')I request that when we give you a chance,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Bartoo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Japheth Nyakundi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Didmus Barasa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member for Sigowet/Soin.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Mwingi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey, I said I would follow the list. You are fourth or fifth in the list that I have. So, stop raising your hand now and when I give someone an opportunity.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. The Question on this matter will be put the next time this Bill is put up for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The time being 1.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') What is your point of order, Hon. Mbadi? Hon. Murugara, take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Samburu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. You gave the notice and proceeded to read the notice itself. You will do all that again in the afternoon. However, the notice is dully given. The Motion will be debated in the afternoon. Next Order. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have made your point, Hon. Ruku. Keep your seat. Hon. Osoro, did you do that?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') That is all in order, but you know the drill. Hon. Gikaria, you and I have been here since 28th March 2013. You, therefore, know what you are supposed to do. Take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Give Hon. Osoro a minute more. Hon. Osoro, kindly take your seat. I want to listen to Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is it the mood of the House that we allow the Mover to reply?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for South Mugirango.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') You know that you should have done it earlier. This should have been done at the beginning of this debate. However, Hon. Members, 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 91 The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng')I request that when we give you a chance,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara, take 30 seconds so that we finalise this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Lafey. Is it Lafey or Lafi?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Happyland Girls Senior School, from Kajiado East in the Speakers Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceeding this afternoon. I allow Hon. Caleb Mule to welcome students from Machakos Girls High School and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kiambaa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, before I propose the question, join me in welcoming students from Machakos Girls’ High School, who are seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceedings today. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Khwisero.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to move the Motion in silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Moi Girls Isinya High School in Kajiado East Constituency, Kajiado County; St. Monica Munyaka Girls Secondary School in Kieni Constituency, Nyeri County, and Gaitu Secondary School in Central Imenti Constituency, Meru County. They are all welcome...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, never repeat what you have just done today. You can never pass in front of a Member contributing looking at his eyes directly. You are not supposed to pass between him and the Speaker. By doing that, you will be distracting the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kimilili has requested that we ask the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply? (Loud consultations) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order, Hon. Osoro. Take your seat. You...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before we go to the next order, I will allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to table the document he has. 5th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 101

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I hope the Chairperson for Budget and Appropriations Committee got that. Let us have the Hon. Member for Kimilili. As I said earlier Hon. Members, there are Members who started queuing at 9:30 a.m. and are still on this queue. I am...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The last part is most important actually. The Member for Kisii.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, approach the Clerks-at-the-Table and table the document as it were. Table it. You are supposed to table it. Chairman of Budget and Appropriations Committee, you know what to do. What you did before you tabled was not the right thing to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is giving notice of the Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION CONSIDERATION OF THE BUDGET POLICY STATEMENT FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 AND THE MEDIUM TERM

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Mbadi, you have heard what Hon. Makali has said. I know you are the Chair, Public Accounts Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, you and that team are so jumpy and active today. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Alego Usonga

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mule, that was not your chance to contribute. This chance now goes to the Member for Suna West. (Laughter)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker Order, Leader of the Majority Party. Yes, Hon. Ochieng’. What is the point of order? Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I have been listening to Leader of the Majority Party. Is it in order...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker Order, Leader of the Majority Party. Yes, Hon. Ochieng’. What is the point of order? Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I have been listening to Leader of the Majority Party. Is it in order...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker Order, Leader of the Majority Party. Yes, Hon. Ochieng’. What is the point of order? Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I have been listening to Leader of the Majority Party. Is it in order...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I wish to call upon the Chairperson to report to the House the proceedings of the Committee of the whole House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, the decision on agreeing with the Report of the Committee of the whole House will be voted the next time this matter is slotted for the Third Reading. (Putting of the question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Leader of the Majority Party, do you have anything to say on this Bill?

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng')Go ahead, Hon. Chairperson.

Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Hon. Baya should tell us how those guys who garnishee the accounts get to know that there is money in the accounts. Be that as it may, I will now put the Question. 25th April 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26 Hon. Temporary...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Senate Amendments to the Water (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.33 of 2023) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to indulge you. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you. Hon. Members, the County Licensing (Uniform Procedure) Bill (Senate Bill No. 9 of 2022), is, therefore, pended until the next time it is put on the Order Paper for consideration in the Committee of the...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the National Land Commission (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.43 of 2023) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng')This now has to go to the vote. (Question, that the word to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the word to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Dawood, this was your chance but you keep on fidgeting and raising your hands. That is why I have not given you a chance to contribute. If you sit down and keep your cool, you will get your chance. It does not work...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Vyema. Member for North Imenti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Sigowet/Soin. Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to add my voice to this important Motion. At the outset, I give my full support to this Motion that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tinderet. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Motion by Hon. Obo, Member for Lamu. This is a timely Motion noting that we have recently had a spate of accidents involving our military aircrafts. The Motion before us seeks...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Member for Sirisia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') How many minutes are you giving, Hon. Ruweida? Call all the Members out so that we know them. You have mentioned Hon. Antony Oluoch and Hon. Harrison Kombe. Who is the next Member? (An hon. Member spoke off the record) It is her chance...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mbeere North, this is your chance to contribute to this Motion.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Isiolo South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Member Turkana West, Hon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Oluoch.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kisauni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Geoffrey Ruku?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming in the Public Gallery, a group of students from various universities in Starehe Constituency. They have come to follow the proceedings of Parliament today. They are welcome this afternoon. Thank you. (Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Vyema, na ahsante. Sasa twende Samburu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance goes to the Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Shakeel.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Ruweida, you have two minutes to wind up. You gave out all your time.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank Hon. Ruweida for bringing this timely Motion. 24th April 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 8 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)Floor of this House. This should be something that goes without saying. How we treat our armed forces...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Alego Usonga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will get two minutes because that is what you have now.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Malava.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I do not know what you have not said that makes only you know what you are laughing at. The Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member, you did not say anything about the Motion. We will now have the Member for Shinyalu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kombe. You have a minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kilifi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Gem.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, allow me to welcome the Africa Youth Leadership Forum officials to the Speaker’s Gallery. This is a forum consisting of Secretary-Generals of universities in the country, including – it is a long list – Brian Wekesa, St. Pauls University; Christopher...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Buuri Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Luanda.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That will pass.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Migori County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Pauline Lenguris.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Sotik. Hon. Elisha, you have to put your card in. You will not get a chance to speak if you do not have a card. You can be sure about that. Just go up there, and they will give you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Nyeri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwale. Hon. Masito, this is your opportunity.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Hon. Member for Mosop. Hon. Ruku, your chance will come definitely.(Hon. Ruku stood up in his place)(Technical hitch)Hon. Ruku, you are out of order totally. Resume your seat. Hon. Member for Mosop, come and use this microphone that is on.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Samburu West, I hate to interrupt you. I know you are on a roll already, but you will pick it up from there the next time this business is put on the Order Paper. 24th April 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion will be made the next time it is slotted in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE PUBLIC SERVICE INTERNSHIP BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. The Mover...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi, I want you to listen to Hon. Baya because he is speaking to you.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole House in its consideration of the National Government Administration Laws (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.73 of 2023) , was interrupted due to lack of quorum. ADJOURNMENT