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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Of course, Hon. Sirma, you must withdraw that remark if you, indeed, made it.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I have a different view from that of the membership. It cannot be gainsaid that the NG-CDF is extremely important for the growth of this country. However, we have fallen short as Parliament. Every time we have had...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Hon. Gichimu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much, Hon. Mbai. Hon. Members, just like the previous Motion, the decision on this particular Motion will be made the next time the matter is listed on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE COFFEE BILL The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Hon. Sirma, did you say the judges must resign for making that judgement? Did you say they must or should?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Hon. Mawathe, who gave you the chance to speak? This chance is for Hon. Gichimu, Member for Gichugu. You did not even request for a chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion is deferred to the next time the matter is listed on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON FUNDS SPENT CONTRARY TO PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 223...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead with your submission.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Few thieves or no thieves? Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE CONSOLIDATED FUND SERVICES EXPENDITURES FOR THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 Committee on its consideration of the Consolidated Fund Services for the The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Sirma, you will have the last bite on this matter. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Luyai, Member for Saboti. Hon. Oundo, Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu, do you want to come back?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Embakasi South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ngusya. (Hon. Charles Nguna spoke off record) Hon. Gichimu, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Of course, Hon. Sirma, you must withdraw that remark if you, indeed, made it.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I have a different view from that of the membership. It cannot be gainsaid that the NG-CDF is extremely important for the growth of this country. However, we have fallen short as Parliament. Every time we have had...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Hon. Gichimu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much, Hon. Mbai. Hon. Members, just like the previous Motion, the decision on this particular Motion will be made the next time the matter is listed on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE COFFEE BILL The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Hon. Sirma, did you say the judges must resign for making that judgement? Did you say they must or should?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Hon. Mawathe, who gave you the chance to speak? This chance is for Hon. Gichimu, Member for Gichugu. You did not even request for a chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion is deferred to the next time the matter is listed on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON FUNDS SPENT CONTRARY TO PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 223...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead with your submission.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Few thieves or no thieves? Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE CONSOLIDATED FUND SERVICES EXPENDITURES FOR THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 Committee on its consideration of the Consolidated Fund Services for the The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Sirma, you will have the last bite on this matter. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Luyai, Member for Saboti. Hon. Oundo, Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu, do you want to come back?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Embakasi South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ngusya. (Hon. Charles Nguna spoke off record) Hon. Gichimu, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mulyungi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Keynan?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The next Statement to be issued would be by the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Murugara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Raso, I hope you have heard the request for a statement. (Hon. Moses Kirima spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Kirima. 19th September 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hold on! Is the Member for Gilgil in the House? What about the Member for West Pokot? I suggest you go on with the response to the statement by the Member for West Pokot, Hon. Rael Kasiwai, if you have it. Proceed with it...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You know what to do. You should not do that inside another request for a statement. This request for a statement is directed to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs. Hon. Raso has already said 19th September 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 12...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Note also, that there is more than one question before your Committee dealing with abductions and disappearances, and not just this one. That is why I think it is important that the Committee takes this matter seriously. Before we go to the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) They have heard you. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member, I cannot see your card here. Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Raso, you have listened to the Member for Eldas and, from where I sit, this cannot be handled in the casual manner that the Committee wants to handle it. I would not want you to say anything on this matter, but...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Raso, this was a commitment that was made yesterday, and you are behaving as if you did not even make it.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Keynan.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kirima, what do you want to say on this request for a statement? Give him the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makilap.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Raso. I do not mean to interrupt you. Can you summarise?

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) The same issues are even brought to the next Parliament, and again, we talk. This is because we have not given our Committees "teeth", or even if we have given them "teeth", they are not "biting" with the "teeth" that the Constitution has given them....

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Committee chaired by Hon. Wanjala, my neighbour at home, for a good Report. The National Assembly, and Parliament as a whole, operates through Bills, resolutions and petitions. To know how effective our role is and...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) The same issues are even brought to the next Parliament, and again, we talk. This is because we have not given our Committees "teeth", or even if we have given them "teeth", they are not "biting" with the "teeth" that the Constitution has given them....

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Committee chaired by Hon. Wanjala, my neighbour at home, for a good Report. The National Assembly, and Parliament as a whole, operates through Bills, resolutions and petitions. To know how effective our role is and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Because of the urgency of the matter, Hon. Khamis, please communicate to your Chairman that the Hon. Member for Garsen be invited to your Committee and this matter be placed before it next week when it is sitting. I think that should be able...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member for Kitui South is guided to bring a statement on that matter, if she wants it handled the way she proposes. This matter for now will go to the relevant committee, which is the Committee on Tourism and 15th August...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Garsen, I think that is reasonable. 15th August 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The next Statement is from the Member for Fafi, Hon. Yakub. INSECURITY IN FAFI CONSTITUENCY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Khamis.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before I allow the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock to respond, the Member for Kakamega has a related question. I will allow her to proceed. You do not have to go through your question the way he has done. You...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member for North Horr, is that okay with you?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Member. By now, you know the drill. All the things that you wanted should have been captured in your request for a statement. There are no speeches after you have issued your request for a statement. Hon. Dido Raso, today is...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Are there timelines?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What would you rather the Committee does?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. So, two weeks after we resume from recess. Hon. Member for North Horr. TRAGIC ATTACK ON CIVILIANS ALONG THE KENYA-ETHIOPIA BORDER IN MARSABIT COUNTY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. The Member for Garsen, this is the last bite on this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Yakub, the Hon. Member has told you what they are going to do. At that time, when they give their answer, you will tell them whether it is ‘desktop or laptop’ and then you deal with it at that level.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon Members, because of the number of requests for statements today, we will not allow Members to comment on the requests. The next Member who has a request is the Member for North Horr, Hon. Adhe Wario. Sorry. Hon. Raso, before we...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I think that is okay. Member for Garsen. 15th August 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 16 INDEFINITE CLOSURE OF MALKA-HALAKU CORRIDOR

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Raso, you can carry the laptops to the ground so that the answers you give are not just laptop answers but real answers from the ground.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member carrying a hand up, do you have a card? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. That is quite a long one. The Chairperson of the Committee on Tourism and Wildlife? Any Member from that Committee?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Raso.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Njuguna, is that okay with you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Haika. That marks the end of that Order. Do we have a Member who has been left out? (Hon. Joseph Gitari spoke off the record) What is it, Hon. Gitari?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives, Hon. Gakuya. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Hon. Raso is here.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gitari, approach the Clerk-at- the-Table. (Hon. Joseph Gitari approached the Clerks-at-the-Table) Hon. Gichimu, you had something to say.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Just inform your Chairperson that his attendance in the House is key. He will be allowed to lay the papers the next time the House sits. Hon. Gitari, you can take the next seat and lay the Paper. Hon. Gitari will lay the Paper...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Chairperson of the Diaspora and Migrant Workers Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) In this Order, we have three Members who have notices of motions. Member for Nairobi City County, are you ready? (Hon. Mark Mwenje consulted with Hon. Esther Passaris) Hon. Mwenje, allow...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I notice that Members are still streaming in. There is no quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members, I can now confirm that we now quorate to transact business. Hon. Members who are on their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is no debate about what you said. Hon. Mwenje, do you have something to say on this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. I hope you will be provided with a mask. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Major Bashir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, I think Hon. Millie needed recognition as the Whip of the Minority party. We have done enough of that. Is that not so? We needed to congratulate Hon Millie and we have done that. The matter should rest there. As...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo will be listened to like others.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Passaris, do you now have the notice of motion or we need to give you more time?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Just a minute. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona stood up in her place) Whip of the Minority Party, Hon. Millie, this is not how it is done. Take your seat. You will learn that once you speak, you have to allow others to have their say....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Murugara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member for Eldas. I have given chance to five Members from this side. You can be sure this side will also get five. Hold your horses. You have one minute each.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Before I listen to Hon. Millie, I would like to re-organise the Order Paper, so that we consider Order No. 8 and 9, and then we come back and listen to Hon. Millie. Then, we will go back to Order No. 7....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Hon. Millie. You are quite okay, but can we finish because we are in the middle of Order No. 6? Nothing is out of order in Order No. 6. So, let us deal with that and then we come to you. (Laughter) COMPREHENSIVE...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member of Endebess.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Bumula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Nambale, you have one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose has said you should have a mask as part of the management of this process.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will give a chance to two more, one minute each. Member for Busia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Whip of the Minority Party, you are recognised and welcomed to the House this afternoon. Go ahead. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jayne Kihara. All of you are on a point of order. You just have to wait. This matter is very simple.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) However, I did not see you slide. Let us have Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wamaua.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kabuchai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He did not talk about your legs. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is no debate about what you said. Hon. Mwenje, do you have something to say on this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you so much. I hope you will be provided with a mask. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Major Bashir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, I think Hon. Millie needed recognition as the Whip of the Minority party. We have done enough of that. Is that not so? We needed to congratulate Hon Millie and we have done that. The matter should rest there. As...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo will be listened to like others.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Passaris, do you now have the notice of motion or we need to give you more time?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Just a minute. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona stood up in her place) Whip of the Minority Party, Hon. Millie, this is not how it is done. Take your seat. You will learn that once you speak, you have to allow others to have their say....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Murugara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member for Eldas. I have given chance to five Members from this side. You can be sure this side will also get five. Hold your horses. You have one minute each.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Before I listen to Hon. Millie, I would like to re-organise the Order Paper, so that we consider Order No. 8 and 9, and then we come back and listen to Hon. Millie. Then, we will go back to Order No. 7....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Hon. Millie. You are quite okay, but can we finish because we are in the middle of Order No. 6? Nothing is out of order in Order No. 6. So, let us deal with that and then we come to you. (Laughter) COMPREHENSIVE...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Member of Endebess.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member of Bumula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Nambale, you have one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose has said you should have a mask as part of the management of this process.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will give a chance to two more, one minute each. Member for Busia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Whip of the Minority Party, you are recognised and welcomed to the House this afternoon. Go ahead. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jayne Kihara. All of you are on a point of order. You just have to wait. This matter is very simple.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) However, I did not see you slide. Let us have Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wamaua.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kabuchai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He did not talk about your legs. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Haika. That marks the end of that Order. Do we have a Member who has been left out? (Hon. Joseph Gitari spoke off the record) What is it, Hon. Gitari?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives, Hon. Gakuya. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Hon. Raso is here.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gitari, approach the Clerk-at- the-Table. (Hon. Joseph Gitari approached the Clerks-at-the-Table) Hon. Gichimu, you had something to say.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Just inform your Chairperson that his attendance in the House is key. He will be allowed to lay the papers the next time the House sits. Hon. Gitari, you can take the next seat and lay the Paper. Hon. Gitari will lay the Paper...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Chairperson of the Diaspora and Migrant Workers Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) In this Order, we have three Members who have notices of motions. Member for Nairobi City County, are you ready? (Hon. Mark Mwenje consulted with Hon. Esther Passaris) Hon. Mwenje, allow...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I notice that Members are still streaming in. There is no quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members, I can now confirm that we now quorate to transact business. Hon. Members who are on their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Haika. That marks the end of that Order. Do we have a Member who has been left out? (Hon. Joseph Gitari spoke off the record) What is it, Hon. Gitari?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives, Hon. Gakuya. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Hon. Raso is here.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gitari, approach the Clerk-at- the-Table. (Hon. Joseph Gitari approached the Clerks-at-the-Table) Hon. Gichimu, you had something to say.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Just inform your Chairperson that his attendance in the House is key. He will be allowed to lay the papers the next time the House sits. Hon. Gitari, you can take the next seat and lay the Paper. Hon. Gitari will lay the Paper...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Chairperson of the Diaspora and Migrant Workers Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) In this Order, we have three Members who have notices of motions. Member for Nairobi City County, are you ready? (Hon. Mark Mwenje consulted with Hon. Esther Passaris) Hon. Mwenje, allow...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I notice that Members are still streaming in. There is no quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members, I can now confirm that we now quorate to transact business. Hon. Members who are on their...