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Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to join you in welcoming the Public Accounts Committee form Trans Nzoia County. Trans Nzoia County is a county that is politically under my jurisdiction because the ruling party in Trans Nzoia is the Forum for the Restoration of...

Sen. Wetangula On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula Ordinarily, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would not want to altercate with my distinguished learned junior. However, as we say, “every dream is legitimate and valid, including wild ones.” I, therefore, tell my colleague from Nandi that Trans Nzoia is very clearly Ford Kenya; and it will remain...

Sen. Wetangula On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, when Sen. Faki brought the Statement, the distinguished Senator for Nairobi City County, who is also my distinguished nephew, was not in the House. (Sen. Sakaja spoke off record) November 19, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 16 Sen. WetangulaWere you?

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I do not think my good friend, the BBI Chairman is defending Somalia because it has a President. He should declare his interest. (Laughter)

Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Sen. (Dr.) Ali should be informed that actually football is a disaster and that is what we are discussing; disaster in football. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to encourage the Chairperson of this Committee that the point that Sen. Faki, the...

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Sen. Wetangula Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on the Sen. Faki Statement?

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, Sen. Faki made an intervention and then the Chair, rightly so, allowed the Chairperson of the Committee to respond. His response elicited my intervention because when Sen. Faki brought the Statement, we actually literally brought it together---

Sen. Wetangula Okay, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I am on the matter. My final Statement on this matter is that yes, the Committee may have decided to do what they are doing, but there is a way the Committee can summon the Cabinet Secretary, FKF Chairperson and any other person...

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Sen. Wetangula Was it a Statement? I was mentioning it in passing.

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, that matter is very painful to everybody. The leadership in Nandi, right from the Governor, has spoken against that brutish behavior, and I salute them for that. Let me end by encouraging the Committee to remain seized of what they must do to give...

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Sen. Wetangula I am saying it outlaws.

Sen. Wetangula Yes, it does. It says that those things cannot go to alternative dispute resolution. I am praising the drafter of the Bill for including this because if you just say we embrace alternative dispute resolution, then we will be opening the country to chaos. She has done very...

Does it? Sen. Wetangula Yes, it does. It says that those things cannot go to alternative dispute resolution. I am praising the drafter of the Bill for including this because if you just say we embrace alternative dispute resolution, then we will be opening the country to chaos. She has...

Yes, take two more minutes. Sen. Wetangula

November 19, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 45 Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to support this Bill. I commend Sen. Kasanga for coming up with this Bill. Indeed, it is a noble Bill because there are times when cases take too long within the...

Very well spoken, Sen. Wetangula. I am glad to note that the sponsor of the Bill, Sen. Kasanga, was very busy taking down notes. I am sure that some of the comments will enrich the Bill. However, Members are free to propose any amendments, either through the Committee or on...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to support this Bill. I commend Sen. Kasanga for coming up with this Bill. Indeed, it is a noble Bill because there are times when cases take too long within the corridors of justice. There are instances when justice...

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should happen like an attack, you can always go to your neighbor for help. However, in a situation where neighbours have tried to solve a conflict legally and it has not worked, you do not expect these neighbours to be friends. In case of an emergency, you do not expect...

Very well spoken, Sen. (Dr.) Musuruve, and a very good analogy on the mango falling from one neighbour’s house. Maybe for the benefit of the House because the word “conciliator” and “mediator” are being used interchangeably, maybe the Sponsor can inform the House whether it means one and the same...

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, I like what Sen. Haji has said. I agree with him and support him. However, both him and his Co-Chair have maintained a very loud conspiracy of silence to the effect that people are now running out there bastardizing, labeling and abusing others. They are...

Sen. Wetangula Allow me a minute to finish, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula The BBI was supposed to unite the country, but it seems to be dividing us even more. This House is so privileged, and you must be very proud as our Speaker, for donating two giants from this House to go and chair such an important process. (Applause)

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support the Statement by the Senator of Samburu. When the Chairperson of the Committee comes to answer to this Statement, will he confirm that the LAPSSET Project that was the brainchild of retired President Kibaki’s Government has not been frustrated, abandoned and those who...

Sen. Wetangula On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, I did not give any answers. I had no intention of giving any answers. I do not chair any Committee in this House to give answers. I was asking the Chairperson of the Committee some questions. If you watched him, you would have noticed that...

Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also support this Petition. Apart from health being 95 per cent devolved, it is a very critical component of human life. Under the Geneva Convention, health workers are protected even in war zones in terms of physical protection, nutrition supply and remuneration....

Sen. Wetangula On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Standing Order No.249 about sitting in the Chamber, and one of the people who are allocated seats in the Chamber is the Senate Majority Leader. Why is the Senate Majority Leader moving up and down without a seat? (Loud Consultations)...

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Statement is very important at this time in this Republic. We need to be very concerned not just about maize, but also about the kind of food that Kenyans are eating. When it is export commodities, such as peas, tomatoes et cetera, the inspection...

November 13, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 20 Sen. Wetangula I wish to suggest to the Senator for Bungoma that sometimes we may be calling the names of other states like Mexico, but I do not think Mexico would export contaminated maize to Kenya because they also export maize to the United...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Statement is very important at this time in this Republic. We need to be very concerned not just about maize, but also about the kind of food that Kenyans are eating. When it is export commodities, such as peas, tomatoes et cetera, the inspection process is...

In the interest of time, I will only give one Senator. Sen. Were.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute to this Statement by Sen. Wetangula. I was in the Ad hoc Committee that investigated the crisis in the maize sector. As Sen. Wetangula said, we found maize that was already in bad state in silos in Eldoret. We recommended...

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Sen. Wetangula Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is on both. I encourage him to expedite the process because these workers are suffering. The company used to house them, but now that they have been dismissed from work, there is a plan to eject them from their houses. I think you...

Thank you very much. Sen. Malalah, are you satisfied with the Committee’s undertaking?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am satisfied. I have a lot of confidence in the Committee led by Sen. Sakaja. I encourage the Committee---

Is the confidence on the Committee or the Chairperson of the Committee?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is on both. I encourage him to expedite the process because these workers are suffering. The company used to house them, but now that they have been dismissed from work, there is a plan to eject them from their houses. I think you should give...

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Sen. Wetangula Hon. Senators, it is now time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Thursday, 14th November, 2019, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m. November 13, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 59 Sen. Wetangula Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I support this Bill and, as I...

Order, Hon. Senators. ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, it is now time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Thursday, 14th November, 2019, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m. November 13, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 60

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support the Statement by Sen. Faki. Before I make my comment, I want to join you in welcoming our colleagues from Migori County and encourage them to feel at home. This is the House and Chamber that protects counties and their governments. Their governments...

Sen. Wetangula(Laughter)(Laughter) On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to inform the distinguished Senator for Siaya County that recently, Kenya was embarrassed when it was defeated by Somalia. (Laughter) (Laughter)

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Sen. Wetangulaextremely expensive. A flight to Kisumu using Silverstone or other airlines from Wilson Airport or other airlines costs less than half what you pay on Kenya Airways.Perhaps, by the time the distinguished Senator drafted the Statement, he was not in know that Silverstone themselves, in response to issues from...

Asante, Bw. Spika. Pia, ningependa kumpa kongole ndugu yetu, Sen. Cherargei, kwa kuleta Taarifa hii. Ni vyema kuwa na ndege zitakazoweza kuchukua watu sehemu kidogo; ambapo malipo yake pia yatakuwa ya kadri. [The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) left the Chair] November 12, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 21

Sen. Wetangula Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Wetangula. November 12, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 25

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Wetangula. Sen. Wetangulainformed in good time but the head of the Delegation from Isiolo was with us and she happens to be the Chairperson of the Committee.As I said, this is a procedural Motion and I urge the House to find favour with the Committee and...

Proceed, Sen. Omanga.

Sen. Wetangula On a point order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, is the distinguished Senator for Homa Bay in order to cast aspersions on a courageous young man, Sen. Prengei, who stood with men and women of courage and signed against the escalation of loans in this country? (Laughter)

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Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker Sir, is the senior counsel and the honourable Senator for Bungoma County right in misleading this House that former President Moi lived in courts? Which courts?

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Sen. Wetangula On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Sir. (Applause) November 7, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 18 Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I know that you may not be able to tell which side of persuasion every Senator who is seeking your eye is in but I pray...

Sen. Wetangula Order, Sen. Kang‟ata. I will give you an opportunity. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is not in order for a Member of a Committee to oppose a Statement coming from his Committee. He should have raised these issues in the Committee. He...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order, Sen. Orengo? The Senate Minority Leader (

Sen. WetangulaThe point is that our role, as Parliament, is to ensure that we clean up the system. This also speaks to the fact that we have really abrogated ourselves; in fact it is a derogation of the Constitution. The power of the purse vests with Parliament, but it has...

Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Allow me to note with appreciation the unusual heavy presence of Members in the House. (Laughter)

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have a request for a Statement on the heavy deployment of police officers at examination centers in the country. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order 48 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education regarding the excessive deployment...

Sen.Wetangula Sen.Wamatangi, I know what you are waiting for. Please keep your cool. Mr. Speaker, Sir, if there are any malcpractices in the examinations, they are not armed roberries that require heavily armed police presence in examination centres. Children are likely to be intimidated by the presence of senior Cabinet...

Sen. Wetangula On a point of order, Mr, Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to thank my distinguished nephew, the Senator for Nairobi City County, for that point of order. My good friend, the Senator for Bomet County, is always very studious and thorough. He has listened to almost half the House express disgust, concern,...

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to join the Senator for Nandi in the Statement that he has sought. Two days ago, I saw an elderly woman from Nyeri on TV shedding tears because of the issue of speed governors. She said that every 18 or 24 months, they...

Sen. Wetangula If is whipping, they can be whipped by any means possible, but not something else.

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, protect me from the Senate Majority Leader. He is heckling me because---

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Sen. WetangulaBe kind, Sen. Wetangula. (Applause) November 5, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 34 Sen. Wetangula On a point of information, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

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Sen. WetangulaHe has eventually accepted.

Sen. Wetangula Sen. Wetangula, it is Kshs59 million and not Kshs63 Billion. November 5, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 35 Sen. Wetangula He was saying things that, at a private session with the CS – because the CS appeared before us – he did not say them. We asked the CS, “Can...

Sen. Wetangula What is it, Sen. Murkomen?

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Sen. WetangulaWe need them to use innovations and technology to help us in our agricultural sector. Agriculture contributes 25 per cent of the GDP yet it is the least funded of all the factors of production. Therefore, while we are accepting that we have a problem and that we need...

Sen. Wetangula, you are on a warpath today. Anyway, it is you discretion. Unless it is very critical, we should not be discourteous to each other. I am sure that Sen. Wamatangi does not want to---

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, since the distinguished Senator for Bungoma did not want this information, let me put it as a point of order.

Sen. Wetangula Do you rest your case or support? November 5, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 38 Sen. Wetangula

(Loud consultations)

Order, Members. Sen. Wetangula(Applause) (Laughter)

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Sen. Murkomen?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, is it in order for Sen. Wetangula to reduce petitions and the defence we make here on behalf of our counties to crying? If I was crying for Arror and Kimwarer dams, which I did and confess that in the list he is holding at least...

They were whipped. (Laughter) Sen. Wetangula They quickly transformed from Saul to Paul; lightning struck them and they changed their minds. I want to encourage the Senator for Baringo whom I am very impressed has sat in the Chamber the whole afternoon. November 5, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 39 (Laughter)

Order, Sen. Wetangula! Do you not expect Sen. Moi to sit through the afternoon? Sen. Wetangula Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, he normally does, but he does not have that extreme patience. (Laughter)

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: THAT, pursuant to Standing Order No.31 (3) (a) , the Senate resolves to extend its sittings until conclusion of debate on the Motion in Order No.8 on today’s Order Paper. I request Sen. Kihika to second the Procedural Motion.

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Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to fully share the sentiments of the distinguished for Mombasa County. This is the height of infamy and abuse by a Cabinet Secretary of Government. If we will appoint public boards to every single establishment in the country, then we are headed in...

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, these waterfront grounds of Mama Ngina are under the exclusive jurisdiction of Mombasa County. What business does the Cabinet Secretary for Tourism and Wildlife have appointing a board? The County Executive Committee (CEC) Member for Tourism in Mombasa County can have a manager of the...

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, there were loud consultations and I did not quite hear the Senator making his Statement. October 24, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 8 (Loud consultations)

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, in fact, the Statement by the distinguished Senator for Kitui County affects almost half of the counties represented in this House. Water from torrential rains is ravaging every single county. Animals and people are dying, especially in northern Kenya. The Meteorological Department warned that we...

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Senator for Homa Bay is so right. In law, we have a maxim called res ipsa loquitur; things speak for themselves. If your county is being discussed in the manner of how money has not been properly spent and you are busy walking up...

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Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir, this Motion comes at a very timely period when the country is facing serious challenges in health. If you may recall, and I was discussing this with some colleagues, including the distinguished Senator for West Pokot, in those days there were people called...

Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I support the request for the Statement. Luckily today, the Chairperson of the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries – the distinguished Senator for Embu County – is here. In answering those raised questions, the Chairperson and the Ministry should tell this...

Order, Sen. Wetangula!

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Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. Once the Senate makes a decision, it becomes functus officio meaning our job is over. Whoever wants to go to court, can go to court. I agree with you, Senate Majority Leader.

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Sen. WetangulaWe do not have, unless you are on a point of order. What is it? October 17, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 29 Sen. Wetangula of the philosophy that a President, Deputy President, and a Governor are elected by people to hold serious constitutional offices; that when they are subjected to...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. In the future, we will also be begging the Chair that when there is such a debate, try to mix the opportunities we give because when all the lawyers speak before those of us who are not practitioners at the bar, then the debate...

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to direct the information to the Chairperson of the CPAIC. With that revelation, we should look forward to those reports he has told us. If need be, the CPAIC can ask for a special audit report on legal fees and whether...

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Sen. Wetangula Asante, Bw. Naibu wa Spika. Huo uamuzi ni wa weledi, stadi na ambao umefanywa kwa uangalifu mwingi. Utaleta afueni kwa watu wa Kaunti ya Taita/Taveta. Watajivunia kwa sababu wanategemea Bunge la Seneti kutatutua shida zao. Mimi kama Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Ugatuzi, tumekuwa na mgogoro wa hapa na...

Sen. Wetangula I will try not to do that. I was just pointing out that during deliberations this morning, we approached it with an open mind, which is the essence of what you have taught us this afternoon, that when faced with an issue of great national October 17, 2019...

Thank you, Sen. Wetangula, in your true element. Sen. Cheruiyot.

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Perhaps, introspectively as they leave this House, they promise to do better if given a second chance. Therefore, as somebody has observed, it is not just a matter of whether the governor is guilty or innocent. It is also about the opportunity that it will give even to the people...