Moses Masika Wetangula

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Sen. Wetangula) :na wanaopenda haki na ukweli. Ninawashukuru pia kwa kuwaaibisha wale walioenda Kaunti ya Kilifi huku wamebeba mifuko ya pesa za wananchi na kujaribu kuvuruga demokrasia katika nchi yetu. Hongera, Wanakilifi.(Applause) March 10, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula) :Who sought the statement? When I sit here and listen to my brother saying that in 1993---

Order, Senator. There is something called anticipating debate. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, forgive me because I am not going that direction. When Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki read the victims of 1992/1997 violence, he did not mention the Kiliku Report of the...

Sen. Wetangula) :Order, Senators. I wonder which words to use. How do I step down what has already been stepped up? Every Senator has stood to say: “I wish to support the deferment,” and then goes ahead to contribute. Be that as it may, I order that this Statement comes...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, time has come for those ones to be compensated. We are calling for the areas which have not been included in Government records, even if it means taking another two or three months, it is important to consider them so that this issue is dealt with once...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I listened keenly to the response given by the Senate Majority Leader. I support the direction which has been suggested by March 10, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

just walked out.We have a peculiar problem which has not been addressed here. In the post- election violence, people lost their homes, property and life as a result of political disputes. However, we also have another problem, cattle rustling, in which many people died. This problem has been there since...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, in Rongai there is portion of land that is very controversial. It was supposedly purchased by the Government to resettle the Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs.) However, only a few people were settled on that land. This issue has been very controversial for the people who have farms...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, in Kenya’s post-independence history, all human rights bodies are in concurrence that there has never been a massacre or crimes against humanity that were committed blatantly like those in northern Kenya. In fact, it is our only modern-day genocide; the Wagalla and others. This occasioned massive suffering...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Speaker for giving me a chance to add my voice to this Bill. From the outset, as has been said by the previous speakers, this is a bad Bill. If we pass it, it is going to give us a very bad image. It is...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Speaker for giving me a chance to add my voice to this Bill. From the outset, as has been said by the previous speakers, this is a bad Bill. If we pass it, it is going to give us a very bad image. It is...

Sen. Wetangula): Order, Senator! We are still on this matter. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! Mr. Speaker, Sir, that our athletes have brought fame and glory to this country is not arguable. However, of late, a nightmare is ensuing amongst our athletics. Our athletes are now being cited as being victims of...

Mr. Speaker, Sir. On 24th February, 2016, Sen. Abdurrahman Ali Hassan requested for a---

Sen. Wetangula): Thank you, Senator. Sen. Nabwala, are you on a point of order? (Sen. Nabwala spoke off record) [The Speaker (Hon. Ethuro) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Ongoro) took the Chair]

Madam Temporary Speaker, like my colleagues, I have further clarifications to seek. Firstly, we are talking about ID cards; this is mandatory for every Kenyan who has attained the age of 18 years and above. In my county, there are over 100,000 people without ID cards. To make it worse,...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am very disappointed by the casual way in which the Vice Chairperson has responded to the Statement by Sen. Abdirahman. I remember when Sen. Abdirahman raised this issue, it generated a lot of debate and very many Members rode on the statement; almost half of the...

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Nabwala, are you on a point of order? (Sen. Nabwala spoke off record)

Put the right intervention if it is a request. Sen. Musila.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I sympathise with the Vice Chair because as you are aware, there is a trend with our chairpersons that whenever we ask questions, they simply get away with it by telling us that they have invited the Cabinet Secretaries (CSs) . That is what the hard working...

Thank you, Senator. March 9, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Madam Temporary Speaker, the question that has been raised regarding ID cards has not been properly answered. The issue being raised here is how you tell a Kenyan who lives or does business in Mwingi or Kitui County applying for an ID card there to go to his ancestral home...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : I think we have had enough interventions. We must allow Sen. Orengo to proceed.

Sen. Wetangula Because of time, we have to bring that issue to closure. Chair!

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):

Sen. Wetangula): Senator, you rose on a point of order, stick to that. I will give you the Floor to contribute later on. What was out of order?

Sen. Wetangula):Tharaka-Nithi must be read from No.177 on Nomination of Members of Select Committees. The CPAIC is not a Select Committee. It is a Sessional Committee. If one wants to deal with the issue of CPAIC, one does not look for the details under Select committees because it is not...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to second this Motion. This is a straight forward procedural matter which I see no problem with. I am impressed by the arrival of Sen. Ndiema, Sen. Ntutu and Sen. Kisasa on this Committee that I have been privileged to Chair for the last two...

it very clear. Allow me to read concerning the CPAIC. Standing Order No.212(1) states:-“There shall be a Sessional Committee to be known as the County Public Accounts and Investments Committee.

I do. Let us allow him to finish. I will give you the Floor.

You will have your say. It is called debate. Okay. Proceed, with your intervention.

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. I have respect for the distinguished Senator for Kakamega. However, notwithstanding and needless to say that in spite of length of period served in either House of Parliament, each one of us is bound not only by the rules of this House,...

Precisely!

Secondly, since the first Senate---

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :from what has transpired, the RBC should bring to us a Motion in a more clear and proper manner with greater consultation between both sides of the leadership, so that we do not look awkward. The reason I am saying this is because I know...

Sen. Wetangula):Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo, there is a point of order. Madam Temporary Speaker, let me finalize by reading Standing Order No. 212 (2).It provides that:- “The County Public Accounts and Investments Committee shall consist of a Chairperson, whom shall be a Member of the second largest party or a coalition...

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):him but when such things happen, we must bring them to the Floor.Did you make that kind of gesture?

Sen. Wetangula) : Senator for Mandera, there is no part that has lost, there was a consensus. You saw the Majority and the Minority Leaders talking. They had all agreed that we adjourn. So, just withdraw that. I think that is now water under the bridge. Let us proceed. Madam...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move a Motion for Adjournment, pursuant to Standing Order No.99, that the debate be now adjourned. March 9, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

from what has transpired, the RBC should bring to us a Motion in a more clear and proper manner with greater consultation between both sides of the leadership, so that we do not look awkward. The reason I am saying this is because I know one side of the political...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to second. I was in the RBC meeting and the Senate Minority Leader knows very well what we agreed on. We agreed that he should sit down with the Senate Majority Leader and agree. That is what the Chair said. So, it will be very...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to oppose the Motion for Adjournment not because it is against the Standing Orders, but because whereas the Standing Orders provide that Sen. Murkomen can move that kind of Motion at any time, the reasons advanced for the adjournment do not merit support. This Motion,...

Madam Temporary Speaker, Sir, let me comment very briefly because I will not go into the substance of the Motion itself but as to whether the Motion in the House right now should go back to the RBC. The dignity of this House is so important that it is supreme...

oversight capacity is to be held as legitimate. The last thing that we want to have is a situation where every time that that Committee pronounces a position, it is seen that we did that pronouncement because the position was partisan. Therefore, we derail their work and make them look...

Madam Temporary Speaker, considering the mood and the atmosphere in this House on this particular matter, it would be prudent to support the adjournment Motion moved by Sen. Murkomen. Let me talk about the intention or the reasoning behind the postponement of debate on this particular matter, which I do...

politics in this particular matter.Madam Temporary Speaker, I have seen serious competition including physical fights when it comes to the composition of the PAC and PIC. For example, in my county, people have fought physically and they are not fighting for the greater good of the county. They are fighting...

Conclude, Senator.

Madam Temporary Speaker, as I conclude, let us put out our best 10 irrespective of party affiliation and I want to urge my colleagues that we avoid brinkmanship. If we are differing on this and taking it back to the Rules and Business Committee (RBC) , let it be for...

I will allow one last contribution from Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I listened keenly to what my colleague, Sen. M. Kajwang, has said and it is correct. If you look back at the inaugural session that we had for this Committee, we had six Members from the majority side and five from the minority side totaling...

Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo, there is a point of order.

On a point of order Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise on Standing Order No.98 (2) that the question be now put on this Adjournment Motion because we are repeating ourselves at the expense of valuable time of this House on a procedural matter. Thank you Senator. However, I had already...

“Profesa amepewa nafasi.” Madam Temporary Speaker, I have finished. I like that; you have finished giving your contribution?

Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker. Hon. Senators, before I pronounce myself on this, I will proceed to put the question but I have a clarification. There was a sentiment that if we adjourn, then this Motion is going to be taken back to the Speaker. I am of a different opinion....

Sen. Wetangula) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I am the Vice Chair of the Committee. As I second, I am guided by Standing Order No.89 that prohibits us from referring to the substance of the proceedings of a Select Committee before the Tabling of the Report. I will be guided appropriately....

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I add my support to this amendment. There are many political parties in this House that have Members of Parliament, MCAs and even some elected governors and senators and yet the threshold, as provided in the law, excludes them from benefiting from this public...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Speaker for giving me a chance to speak on this Bill. At the outset, I support it because it will go a long way in addressing issues that affect ordinary Kenyans given the fact that we have the REA that will light up our rural...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Speaker for giving me a chance to speak on this Bill. At the outset, I support it because it will go a long way in addressing issues that affect ordinary Kenyans given the fact that we have the REA that will light up our rural...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula, those are good suggestions. However, I am afraid that there are ways in which your Speaker responds. I cannot be responding to things stated in some other fora. It must be brought to my attention by a Senator and I will give the appropriate response....

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have a Statement on the Killings in Kitui County. Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to join you in welcoming the distinguished delegation from Turkana County. It is a county that has the distinction of providing the first Speaker to the second Senate of...

Next Order. Who is ready to prosecute his statement? KILLINGS IN KITUI COUNTY

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have a Statement on the Killings in Kitui County.

Sen. Wetangula):persons with disabilities which translates to approximately 3.8 million people in Kenya. Out of these, only 271,346 are duly registered. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I know that the Chairman of my Committee is very serious and honest. Very few stand here to own up that they are not satisfied with...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank the Chairman for making many attempts to get us satisfactory answers on this. You may recall that these killings happened early last year and we are still asking about them. Lastly, you indicated that the Cabinet Secretary should come here; respond to this and other...

them.In the last communication, the Chairman indicated that the culprits were arrested and that investigations were ongoing. I wanted to find out what became of the cases after these investigations. It is incumbent upon the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and Coordination of National Government to tell us what became of...

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persons with disabilities which translates to approximately 3.8 million people in Kenya. Out of these, only 271,346 are duly registered.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, you removed the claim that assigned myself last week. On behalf of the Senate Majority Leader, I request for two weeks to ensure that the statement is given.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Just to set the record straight; is it not my expectation that in the absence of all the people you have listed, then you would fall back to any Chairperson of a Committee, who would then pass that information to a fellow...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir. March 8, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

President who went public and announced that he will dual all those roads for them. So, Sen. Haji is right. We feel slighted. When there is going to be a dual carriageway from Kenol, Murang’a, sijui to where and another one Makutano, Kirinyaga all the way, when other areas have...

Roads! (Loud consultations)

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is not an afterthought but it is something that has arisen--- March 8, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

You registered interest on my screen and I had exhausted all of them.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Could the Chairman clarify whether the two roads from Makutano towards Sagana will be made a dual carriageway? Can he tell us the economic rationale for that? Which is the shorter one and which one is more economical in construction? Is it the one from...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula, you have just walked in. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, he started reading when I was seated here. The Standing Order states that in the absence of the Senate Majority Leader, the Senate Minority Leader should read the statement.

Sen. Wetangula, you have just walked in. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :Disclaimer: This is a First Draft Copy. A final copy will be available once the editorial process is concluded.(Laughter) You have just walked in and that is the reason I had granted him...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula) :Disclaimer: This is a First Draft Copy. A final copy will be available once the editorial process is concluded.I also want to ask the Chairman to confirm that the purpose for which this equipment was hurriedly procured at a whooping Kshs38 billion without any tendering process. It was...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. (Dr.) Kuti, those are many issues. Can you now deal with them? It is so, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

You know that he does not to have those 47 contracts now and because they are important, my advice to you is that you seek a Statement specifically for the issues you want to raise. Now, we are spending time but you know very well you are not going to...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the main thing is the tabling of the contract between the National Government and the constructors and the contract between the National Government and the Council of Governors. That is the one that is raising a lot of interest. The other one is...

Disclaimer: This is a First Draft Copy. A final copy will be available once the editorial process is concluded.I also want to ask the Chairman to confirm that the purpose for which this equipment was hurriedly procured at a whooping Kshs38 billion without any tendering process. It was single-sourced. I...

Sen. Wetangula): Sen (Dr.) Kuti, you have taken a lot of time on this statement. It is very important. Be brief, Sen. Musila.

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. The other vulnerable group that is not included is the People Living with Disabilities (PLWDs) . Legal aid must be extended to them. Lack of resources is not a good excuse for us to deny people support. We need to look into...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am following up on information given to us by Sen. (Dr.) Machage, that this is sexually transmitted. Are the athletes aware of that? Mr. Speaker, Sir, listening to Sen. (Dr.) Machage reminds me of a book called “The Imaginary Invalid” by Moliere, where doctors...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I need a brief clarification on the issues of athletes traveling to Brazil. The last time I checked, I was told that athletes from Kenya were not allowed to travel, is it true? If they are travelling, could the Chair give us sufficient and medical assurance whether...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :Order, Sen. Wetangula! Even the Chair takes great exception to that one, especially when you are seeking blessings for us. You do not start by making us look bad in order to get blessings.The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, Jesus said that...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Let us allow Sen. Wetangula to proceed. What is it, Sen. (Dr.) Machage?

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Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I voted ‘No’ but when the results were announced, there was ‘No’ vote. May I know what happened? Hon. Senators, we have scrutinised the records and we can confirm that Sen. Billow voted ‘No’. Therefore, the “1” under Abstentions should be ‘No’. However, his migratory...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank the Members who contributed yesterday and I beg to reply. Thank you. Hon. Members, I, therefore, wish to put the question. This is a matter affecting counties. So, we will go to Division. Could the Division Bell be rung for 30 seconds? (The...

Let it be rung for another 30 seconds. DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING NOES: Nil.

Sen. Wetangula) :(Applause) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First, I thank you for having led this House this far. However, we must resist the temptation to be an Executive rubberstamp. If you look at the record of debate on this matter – the Motion was moved, seconded,...

you are bound by the rules of this House. The Member asked whether we can now ask the Mover to respond. Therefore, that vote won and was acclaimed by both sides.I throw the ball to the Rules and Business Committee (RBC) in terms of how they organise the business of...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Let me clarify that this Motion was not voted as a surprise. The timelines for this Motion was clearly communicated to my Committee – in which the Senate Minority Leader is a Member – and we approved them. Two, the timelines were...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula):

Sen. Wetangula) : Members, you will be contributing to the amendment. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the error is on the face of it. In law, we say records do not lie. We have nine Members including the Chair. In seconding this amendment, I am rightly driven and convinced by the...

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was incorrect and now we need a correct computation.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, therefore, I urge the House that this amendment is not unreasonable or inconsequential; neither does it negate the intention, the spirit and the letter of the Motion that has been very ably moved by the Chairman of the...

Members, you will be contributing to the amendment.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the amendment which has been proposed by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. The amendment is a very reasonable proposal going by the figures which are before us. The average revenue, as he stated, was 13 per cent over the past four years. The Treasury...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :people of Vihiga. February 25, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

people of Vihiga.

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! I can hear you. Your name is on the board although it is wrongly on the screen. It is showing that you want to debate rather than intervene. Do it correctly.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Standing Order No.223 (l) and (m) states-

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I appeal to you that over and above what Sen. Wetangula has prosecuted, there are two very important issues that should guide you in making this decision. That allows Sen. Khaniri to read the Petition; First, if the fear of the Office of the Clerk was...

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! You made your point. You are talking about it being too long. You are preempting.

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Secondly, my appeal to you is that while at the County Assembly of Vihiga, there were serious allegations that MCAs were bribed. Sen. Khaniri and I have been bombarded---.

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! Assume that what I have in front of me is what Sen, Khaniri is petitioning. You say that you have seen other documents. Therefore, I would rather that you make your point without talking about things that I do not know. I do not know about...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I was talking about the issue of you protecting the integrity of this House by giving the right---

Did I fail to protect the integrity? Do not go beyond the issues that are in front of us. I will do my best to deal with the situation. February 25, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the integrity of this House is such that a petition is a petition when the signatures of the petitioners have been attached. The document that Sen. Khaniri is attempting to read is just a piece of paper but not a petition.

Order! Sen. Muthama! Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what is more, in its original form, the petition has almost 1,500 signatures appended to it and this is what we should be pursuing. If the concern of the Clerk was that those signatures were not on a paper headed by the words;...

Is that it? Sen. Wetangula, you referred to Standing Order No.220. You read the whole of it but you emphasised the issue of amending a petition under paragraph 3 which states that:- “The Clerk shall, within seven days of the date of receipt of a petition, review the petition to...

Order! Sen. Wetangula!

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to bring it to your attention that I have three versions of this petition. I have the original version which bears the extra signatures by residents. We got a letter from the Clerk’s Office saying that it did not meet the threshold. So, they...

To me, it appears that the one with 12 signatures is the one that has come, pursuant to Standing Order No.220, the one that Sen. Wetangula is referring to. After the Clerk looked at the original one, it appears he then reviewed it and asked your petitioners to do it...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I countersigned both; the first and the second petitions.

Forget about the first one because I assume the second one comes under Standing Order No.223.

Yes.

What you are saying, which is important, is that you are not reading the one with 12 signatures.

Absolutely; it is different.

Not our concern but the concern of Sen. Khaniri, which we have helped him to distill. Sen. Khaniri, if you agree, I would like you to consider the issue. I can see your point which is very clear because the one I have in front of me has 11 pages....

signatures – was to assist you to give the petition in an abridged form as required by Standing Order No.223, so that we could deal and discuss it for 30 minutes. The one that shall go before the Committee shall be the petition, as it is the norm, with the...

Sen. Wetangula) : On this matter, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have listened carefully to the Petition as raised by the Senator for Vihiga and it looks like a story from all counties and mine is not an exception. Indeed, it brings a lot of questions forward, for example, when...

Okay, three minutes to begin with and the others two minutes. Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo, did you ask for the Floor on this or on other matters?

On this matter, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have listened carefully to the Petition as raised by the Senator for Vihiga and it looks like a story from all counties and mine is not an exception. Indeed, it brings a lot of questions forward, for example, when the Members of...

because it is serious. In my county, there are four contractors that are favorites and yet you get one person has over 20 projects. In the former Ministry of Public Works policies, you are not supposed to do more than four projects in a particular financial year. What laws do...

Is it part of the Petition? Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. If he has used public funds to put up CCTV and purchase a generator for himself, I fear that even the funds for construction of that residence were public funds. He must be investigated. I condemn and put it...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :counties; that is the Senate.I want to urge - as Sen. Billow, the Chairman of the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget, has said - that we need to go beyond even the prayers in this Petition. We need to convince the Controller of Budget...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to inform Sen. Wetangula that Gov. Akaranga is an ordained reverend in a certain church. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if you want another precedent of a reverend, there is Rev. Mutava Musyimi chairing the...

What paragraph are you reading? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):in the country.Thank you. Whatever the Floor, you will be guided when you arrive at Continental House. Just note the time and it will be a breakfast meeting.Very well! Sen. Kanainza.

Sen. Wetangula) :Thank you Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. When the national television was switched on, a cloud comes on the television then a man called Macias Nguema descends from the clouds and announces that “God’s gift to Equatorial Guinea”. That is a personality cult. Every time you pull out a...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :timeframe. In that regard, I seek the indulgence of the House to consult further on this matter and get a timeframe within which this matter can be rolled out. But I want to assure the Members that, indeed, this Government has, by and large, been...

But it is me who was to give you the one minute. I have not given you the one minute. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Yes, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Move to the front Table. I am told that we should not call it...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we all know that small-scale farmers are an important pillar of this economy. When they have their monies withheld for such long periods, I am interested in knowing what informed the rationale of holding these huge amounts for such long periods rather than...

Yes, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Move to the front Table. I am told that we should not call it a Dispatch Box, because that is the British system. STATUS OF TEA FARMERS’ MONEY HELD IN A KTDA FIXED DEPOSIT ACCOUNT AT IMPERIAL BANK

Sen. Wetangula) : No. Special voters! February 24, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) :[The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Ongoro) took the Chair] Yes!

If you noticed, I was sitting every time I announced the results. I did my part as your Speaker. Again, we cannot discuss the secretariat in the House. No. We cannot do that. For the purposes of correction, let us repeat the process. DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING February 24, 2016 SENATE...

AYES: 24 NOES: 0 ABSTENTIONS: 0 DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING AYES: 24 NOES:0 ABSTENTIONS: 0 February 24, 2016 SENATE DEBATES ELECTRONIC VOTING AYES: 24 NOES: 0 ABSTENTIONS: 0 ELECTRONIC VOTING February 24, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

County; Sen. Muthama, Machakos County; Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., Makueni County; Sen. Ndiema, Trans Nzoia County; Sen. Ong’era, Kisii County; Sen. Wamatangi, Kiambu County; and, Sen. Wetangula, Bungoma County. AYES: 24 NOES: 0 ABSTENTIONS: 0 An

Power is sweet.

Power is sweet. (Laughter) Oh, yes! An

You did not bend on this side.

I did. You bent on that side and bowed on this side. (Laughter) February 24, 2016 SENATE DEBATES [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. (Dr.) Machage) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Ongoro) took the Chair] THE PUBLIC APPOINTMENTS (COUNTY ASSEMBLY APPROVAL) BILL (SENATE BILL NO.20 OF 2014)...

Mandera County; Sen. Chelule, Nakuru County; Sen. Chiaba, Lamu County; Sen. Elachi, Nairobi County; Sen. Hargura, Marsabit County; Sen. Kagwe, Nyeri County; Sen. Kakamega County; Sen. Khaniri, Vihiga County; Sen. (Prof.) Lesan, Bomet County; Sen. Lesuuda, Samburu County; Sen. (Dr.) Machage, Migori County; Sen. (Eng.)Muriuki, County; Sen. Muthama, Machakos County;...

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I totally agree with the first speakers. I support this President’s reservation. I believe it will help this Bill to be implemented within the framework that has been provided. (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, put and agreed to) (The...

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):

Sen. Wetangula): You can comment because I have no issue with that, but it is important that as hon. Senators, in the same way you have your positions, you must accept the Chair who has the right to make a ruling under the provisions of the Standing Orders. It is...

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Sen. Wetangula) :as much as he may have made a ruling to allow room not for debate, but for interventions. With your indulgence, that could still happen. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I withdraw. February 23, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula): Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I say that it has really provoked us as Kenyan mothers and, more so, the family where that lady comes from because she is an officer in uniform, and if he could not respect our--- Sen. Kittony, you know you are seeking...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, may I also ride on the statement. What happened in Nyandarua is despicable. We were embarrassed. As a woman, that case was and still is embarrassing. The action against this white man should be expedited as the Senate Minority Leader has said. We would also like...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. To add my voice to the concerns, I am one of the Kenyans who watched that in horror and disbelief. I am in support of the police officer herself and the general Kenyan population at large. We need to say it here very clearly...

“inside”. It is despicable.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am informed that he is a Canadian. His passport should be seized immediately - he can sneak out - so that he faces the full force of the law. Thank you.

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :school which is not known beating a school which excels annually. The value added to the academic performance will not be as much as another school which admits students with 200 out of 500 marks. For example, for you to be admitted to Alliance High...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :composition right, we will miss division of this Bill. Secondly is the cost of appealing. If we make it too expensive, then we might not as well have put it there. Who are the people who appeal? It is the aggrieved parents and students, most...

degrees. Most of our preachers in our churches call themselves many names such as cannons, apostles, doctors, as so on yet they have no degrees.I have a friend who was preaching at a bus stop, and after three years he was an apostle. After a few years later, he became...

causes anyone to go through that pain must bear the greatest responsibility or to use the new phrases being used, those are the persons of interest. Those are the likes of Waiguru, you look for in as situation such as this, so that you deal with them firmly and squarely.Clause40(K)...

Sen. Wetangula):amended to increase it to at least 30 days. This is because, at that time, there is euphoria of examinations results being released. It is better if enough time is given to launch complaints. That will give each and every Kenyan a fair period to submit their complaint and...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I did not even allude to what my friend, Wetangula, is saying. What I was trying to suggest – he might have heard me wrong – is that---

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Did Sen. Karaba refer to Sen. Wetangula as Wetangula? There is a Standing Order that clearly indicates how Senators should be referred to. Sen. Karaba, I heard very well. (Sen. Karaba spoke off record) Order Senator! You must refer to him appropriately.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to refer to Sen. Wetangula as the distinguished Senator for Bungoma, a presidential candidate in 2017, I wish him all the best and good luck. Madam Temporary Speaker, we are discussing very serious issues. I also want to tell Members the root causes of cheating,...

cheating.What happens, therefore, is that somebody will be admitted to Form One through cheating. Along the way, they may find it rough. The person may either commit suicide or transfer to another school because of failure to cope up with the standards of the school he or she was initially...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Kenya National Examinations Council (Amendment) (No.2) Bill (Senate Bill No. 14 of 2015) . I recall that students from Maranda High School suffered because of examination cheating. This happened in the computer examination. We need to interrogate whether the...

The purpose of an examination is to rank. Even in medical school where we thought, we were all more or less very close to par, we were still ranked. All of us had qualified for Medical School at the University of Nairobi (UoN) but you would still find number one...

institutions.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, finally, I want to speak to the issue of the cost of paying school fees at the university. At the university, we have the Kenya Universities and Colleges Central Placement Service (KUCCPS) which is doing a good job. With KUCCPS admissions, education is reasonably affordable. However,...

Thank you Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Bill by Sen. Obure. Let me echo the words of Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and the words of the former President of South Africa, the late Nelson Mandela who once said education is a great equalizer. The child of a...

deliver on those courses which they specialized in at the university.Secondly, it has made the cost of education expensive. You will recall that if a parent today pays school fees, if this student cheats in Form One and he manages to go through to Form Two and it happens that...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I stand to support this Bill and to thank Sen. Obure for having sought a way out of this serious situation. We all know the February 23, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

that we are living in, it gives one a head-start in terms of a better living. Maybe that is one of the reasons some people are trying to get good certificates which they have not worked for.When cheating occurs it is only the student who is penalized, yet it could...

amended to increase it to at least 30 days. This is because, at that time, there is euphoria of examinations results being released. It is better if enough time is given to launch complaints. That will give each and every Kenyan a fair period to submit their complaint and they...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank and congratulate Sen. Obure for this timely Bill. I know that Kisii County and its surroundings have really been affected by cases of examinations cheating. As much as we condemn cheating, we must also look at the rights in the Constitution. Article 47 guarantees...

person. Parents are also a very interested party in this matter.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on a point of information.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to be informed by Sen. Karaba.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to inform Sen. Wangari that in this Bill, a parent is not qualified to sit in the tribunal because all of us can sit in it because we are parents. Therefore, it is the Cabinet Secretary who will determine who will sit in...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank Sen. Karaba for the information. However, my understanding is that the person nominated to sit in this tribunal is one nominated jointly by the associations representing the interests of the parents. That is what I was talking about. We are all parents and even...

Sen. Wangari, do you mean that Sen. Karaba’s point of information was not valid at all? (Laughter)

Sen. Wetangula): Yes! Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, what kind of country are we building? I was giving a speech to law students at Moi University two weeks ago; I told them: “Students, be aware, the glory of academic excellence we had when we were at the university is gone”. Our...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my neighbour and leader is excited over nothing. I am explaining and you have to get what I am saying. He is very good at doing that himself. I do not know why he has raised the issue when he is very good at...

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Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, did you say that your candidate was limping. Can you substantiate? Are you saying he was physically challenged? Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I was being figurative. I wish Sen. Wangari was here. She would have easily substantiated this because she knows the whole story. This thing is...

opened it; I was amused, and this is where the punishment comes in; that an old woman whose son stole two plastic chairs ended up behind bars very quickly with maximum force as a suspect because she had to be tried to be found innocent, but it was not her...

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Sen. Wetangula): There is no other interest to contribute on this Bill, so the Mover can reply.

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :The request is so granted. We will defer the putting of the question to a day when the matter will be placed on the Order Paper. February 17, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I want to contribute. The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kajwang’) : All right. You may contribute. Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me a chance to contribute to this Motion. From the outset, I would like to say that this...