Moses Masika Wetangula

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also want to contribute to this Speech on the State of the Nation Address. The Constitution in Article 132 (1) (c) states that:- “ (1) The President shall—

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Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I heard the Chairman say that very soon, a serious housing project will come up. I would like him to clarify to the residents of Nairobi whether this is the same programme we know is about to start. He should also inform us where...

April 13, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also want to support the Banking (Amendment) Bill. For a long time banks have taken Kenyans for a ride. Sometimes people who want to engage in business apply for a loan and the bank gives them a different rate at the time...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :turn in my political career. However, it was marred by acts of hooligans organized by persons known to the authorities. On the eve of the day, the 2nd April, 2016, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale spent the whole day warding off hooligans who kept on invading Masinde...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale! Have we gone to the next Order? That is the only way to confirm that I have vacated from there. Chairman of the Committee on Education, there was a request for a statement by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join you in welcoming the delegation from my home to the Senate. I advise them to refrain from listening from any other callings, but to enjoy the proceedings of the Senate. I wish them a great stay in Nairobi and,...

Sen. Wetangula, maybe you were not in the House when we dealt with that matter quite extensively when it came to the issue of the Physical Planning Bill where a similar situation confronted us. We gave quite a number of scenarios. The Chair was quite sympathetic to your assertions, but...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join you in welcoming the delegation from my home to the Senate. I advise them to refrain from listening from any other callings, but to enjoy the proceedings of the Senate. I wish them a great stay in Nairobi and, when they go back, to convey...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I just wanted to add that a decision made by the President exercising his powers under the Constitution--- (Sen. Muthama consulted loudly) Sen. Muthama, I was listening when you were talking. You should now listen...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :matters of security, we want to know in advance if he will tell Kenyans the exit strategy of Kenya out of Somalia, where our youth are dying for no cause that is ours. Even if there has never been a president, the point of order...

Sen. Wetangula): No debate has been called for. I expect answers. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. It is already a precedent in this House that a Senator attempted to interrogate the employment and management of Eldoret University. It resulted in student unrest on the ground.Through you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, could I request that...

Sen. Wetangula) :the Presidential Delivery Unit have been met. e) An all inclusive more sectoral steering committee to provide oversight to the curriculum reform process has been constituted. f) A national needs assessment to inform curriculum reforms has been conducted jointly by the Ministry of Education, Science and Technology and...

Order, Sen. Wetangula!

Order, Sen. Wetangula! I will not let you --- The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :seen those people you are talking about today and the comprehensive Cabinet Memo. That Cabinet Memo should have come here. All of us should have discussed it to know what direction...

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. A clear clarification needs to be done here. What Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo asked is important. However, it is not what I asked for. He needs to come up with his own Statement about the change from 8-4-4 to...

No debate has been called for. I expect answers. (Loud consultations) March 30, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I wish to support this Motion brought by my good friend, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi. Identity cards are important documents in this country. Every citizen has a right to be registered. This document gives you access to many services. Without it, you cannot open...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you. I wish to contribute to this Bill, the Division of Revenue Bill. We are working under the new dispensation of our new Constitution where we have two levels of government. It has been provided that the national Government shall allocate some revenue to the counties. We...

Hon. Wetangula This is common sense; even the allocation of revenue is not the same. We are talking about equitable allocation of revenue. I only gave the example of Nairobi being the place which is generating most of this revenue and yet it is being placed almost at the same...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me a chance also to contribute to this Bill. We must look back when we began this process. What was the intention of us setting up that vetting process? When we came from the old order to the new order, Kenyans...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Motion but, first, I would like to thank Hon. Wanga for bringing it to the House. It is a very important Motion. One of the areas in which we have not done very well as a country is...

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Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, my neighbour is in the spirit of being noisy today. I have a Motion that I want to read.

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Sen. Wetangula) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I cannot apologise three times. I have done it twice. Madam Temporary Speaker, it is unfortunate that we are getting this far. When the Chair asks a Member to withdraw and apologize, it should be unconditional. He cannot say that "to the extent that...

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Sen. Wetangula) :is the cardinal responsibility of Chairpersons of Committees to bring Statements to the House. It is contempt of the House for a Chairperson of a Committee to sit in this House awaiting the order and the statement is on the Order Paper and then sneak out of the...

Sen. Wetangula) : I order that the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget be in the House on Tuesday, next week, to issue that Statement. Mr. Temporary Speaker, she will read the HANSARD as she prepare her response. In answering the concerns of the distinguished Senator for...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : The second statement was directed to the Chairperson of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations. Is the Chairperson or any Member of that Committee present in the House? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I will inform...

is the cardinal responsibility of Chairpersons of Committees to bring Statements to the House. It is contempt of the House for a Chairperson of a Committee to sit in this House awaiting the order and the statement is on the Order Paper and then sneak out of the House, without...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank you. I also beg to support this Motion on the membership of the CPAIC. I congratulate the membership of the Committee. I thank the RBC together with the leadership of this House because the mood in this House is better than...

Next order. APPROVAL OF NOMINATION OF SENATORS TO THE COUNTY PUBLIC ACCOUNTS AND INVESTMENTS COMMITTEE

March 17, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula): Asante sana Seneta. Ninakushukuru na kukuheshimu vile vile. Mimi najua yale yanayofanyika Lamu kushinda wewe. Hiyo ni thibitisho kamili. Kisha tena--- Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to second the Motion.The brief history narrated by my brother, the Senate Majority Leader, is absolutely factual and true. We move...

Order,

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the distinguished Senator for Lamu and I entered Parliament the same day in 1993. We have been here for quite some time. He is a good friend. He got overawed by the presence of a person young enough to be his son. March 17, 2016 SENATE...

into this House appreciates that, indeed, within the context of our mandate under Article 96, this House can truly hold governors to account. That is our duty. We are soon voting for more money to go to the counties. We have a duty to ensure that money is put to...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank the Senate Majority and Minority Leaders because they have brought the House in order after they consulted. I am sure the Committee will now do its work. As the Senate Minority Leader said, we will be going to a very serious campaign in 2017....

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank you. I also beg to support this Motion on the membership of the CPAIC. I congratulate the membership of the Committee. I thank the RBC together with the leadership of this House because the mood in this House is better than what prevailed when...

face with the then Chair, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, the whole town came to a standstill. The people of Homa Bay County thought that CPAIC was coming to Homa Bay County because they had a new Member of the Senate. May I tell the people of Homa Bay County that I...

Asante sana Bw. Spika wa Muda kunipa fursa hii kuunga mkono Hoja iliyoko mbele yetu. Kwanza kabisa, natoa shukrani za dhati kwa Kiongozi wa Wengi katika Seneti na vile vile Kiongozi wa Wachache katika Seneti kushirikiana pamoja kuunda hii Kamati ambayo ni umuhimu sana. Viongozi wengine kama magavana wamepewa madaraka...

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Sen. Wetangula) :that we remain a House of rules.The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula): Indeed, since I entered Parliament in 1993, this is the first time the Chair is requiring me to substantiate. Normally, it is just like when the Chair is seated, he is completely oblivious to matters of...

communities, along the shores of Lake Victoria, along the shores of Lake Naivasha, Lake Turkana and other smaller Lakes like Baringo and others.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, then came the mania of fish farming where somebody sat somewhere and thought that we have to engage in fish farming and in so...

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of information, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. It will help the Senate Majority Leader to note that he stepped in when we were almost at the end of this point of order. It has been well calculated, debated and directions have been issued by the...

You mentioned that seven appointments were made; four from one community and the other three from another community. Could you table the list to confirm the same? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the information by...

Sen. Wetangula):theatre. At the end, he emerged and said, “I have a problem. One, the operation was successful but two, I realised after the successful operation, that I cut off the wrong leg.” I do not know if my brother has to cut off the wrong leg.(Laughter)(Laughter)(Laughter) Sen. Wetangula) :...

Perfect. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I am glad that, finally, the Leader of Majority has seen the wisdom of sitting in the Chamber, but unfortunately, my pleasure is quickly eroded by his own confession that he did...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I did not intend to impute any improper motive on the Leader of the Majority who is my leader in this House. But I wanted to remind him that there is meaning to that phrase “May the mover respond”. One of the best...

I order you to provide what is required here. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) :go to the Bill itself. Having read it, I am happy with it. I would like you to reflect on Clause11 (c) which forms the membership of the Board. In Clause 11(1) (c), after...

Order, Senator! The Chair is giving directions. So you will provide evidence--- The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Order Senators. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you will have nine minutes to contribute to this Bill the next time it appears on the Order Paper.

Order, Senator! I am giving you directions. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : It is now 6. 30 p.m, time to interrupt the business of the Senate. The Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 22nd March, 2016 at March 17, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

domain. Who does not know that in this country that the President and his deputy share out appointments to the exclusion of other communities all the time, then blend it with one or two fellows from here and there; maybe one Mmeru from Tharaka-Nithi.

What is it, Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki?

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I have just been notified by Kenyans who are watching the Senate proceedings that something totally peculiar is happening. When I entered the Chamber, I had the privilege to listen to my brother. Is he in order to mislead this country?...

On a point of information, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. It will help the Senate Majority Leader to note that he stepped in when we were almost at the end of this point of order. It has been well calculated, debated and directions have been issued by the Chair that substantiations...

the following members:

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the information by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has just confirmed my hypothesis. I agree with the Senate Minority Leader that because I was not here when the discussion was starting, I stood a big risk of--- The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen....

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, not really of being bruised. We are rarely bruised. We are told long time ago, the chicken used to eat the mongoose and the assumption was that the chicken had teeth. So, what happened is that, one cockerel was late and that he was not there...

diversity can only be proved to have been breached if the Senate Minority Leader provides a list of all appointments that have been done by the Government on Tuesday. He could, for example look at appointments in parastatals and then use that as a basis of saying that it is...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, our understanding during this debate was that the Senator for Tharaka-Nithi stood to challenge the information I had given Sen. Wetangula. If he rose to challenge that information, he should have told us what is wrong or that there is a lie in this list of...

We have to make progress on this one. Lastly, Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I think I have not been understood by my brother. I was not trying to challenge what he has provided. Of course, he has the list in his mobile phone and I do not know where it is from. However, assuming the list is correct, the...

theatre. At the end, he emerged and said, “I have a problem. One, the operation was successful but two, I realised after the successful operation, that I cut off the wrong leg.” I do not know if my brother has to cut off the wrong leg. (Laughter) (Laughter) (Laughter) March...

revive the industry so that people can be able to make their living.Finally, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to see counties that have fishing potential also take advantage of the new environment within the context of devolution. If you go to the counties today, every governor is struggling to...

Thank you, Leader of Minority.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I am glad that, finally, the Leader of Majority has seen the wisdom of sitting in the Chamber, but unfortunately, my pleasure is quickly eroded by his own confession that he did not come to listen to the debate but because he was provoked...

On a point of order Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I know the bullfighter Senator for Kakamega is unhappy that I have come back. I was just taking tea in the lounge. Is he in order to mislead Kenyans further by suggesting that we have not followed the debate? In any...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I did not intend to impute any improper motive on the Leader of the Majority who is my leader in this House. But I wanted to remind him that there is meaning to that phrase “May the mover respond”. One of the best leaders of the...

go to the Bill itself. Having read it, I am happy with it. I would like you to reflect on Clause11 (c) which forms the membership of the Board. In Clause 11(1) (c), after the members that are to be appointed by the President, you have then given five members...

Inform me, my able Leader of the Minority. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : That point is so important. In the UK, they have a Ministry called the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food. Fisheries, is given a critical distinct component in the structure of...

Thank you for making me richer in knowledge. If you visit the head office of the State in Boston (USA) , you will find that in the office of the governor, they have a big symbol of a fish to demonstrate the seriousness of fish in the lives of the...

Order Senators. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you will have nine minutes to contribute to this Bill the next time it appears on the Order Paper. March 17, 2016 SENATE DEBATES ADJOURNMENT

It is now 6. 30 p.m, time to interrupt the business of the Senate. The Senate stands adjourned until Tuesday, 22nd March, 2016 at

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Kajwang') : We are on Clause 7. Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I wanted to speak on Clause 6 but I still support the amendment on Clause 7. The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Kajwang') : All...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman. I support. It is just for purpose of clarity. The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Kajwang') : Member for Kaiti.

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I support the amendment by the Chair. Consultation with the county government in the new constitutional dispensation is just because the county government plays a certain role in the Constitution. Addition of those other words will just complicate the Bill. I support the amendment....

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I wanted to contribute to the earlier clause and not on this one. The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Kajwang') : Member for Kiminini.