Moses Masika Wetangula

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Kagwe, you are raising an issue which I will give a communication on next week. In the meantime, I do not see anything that bars the Senators from asking questions on matters health or matters devolved. That is really our business. The national Government is still...

Sen. Kagwe, you are raising an issue which I will give a communication on next week. In the meantime, I do not see anything that bars the Senators from asking questions on matters health or matters devolved. That is really our business. The national Government is still responsible to the...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to ride on the same statement request. I would like to seek a clarification on the process of rehabilitation that the Government is putting in place. Whereas you can stop people from consuming illicit brews, the biggest problem is rehabilitation. People stop,...

Sen. Wetangula): Okay, that has been corrected. Proceed, Senator.

Sen. Wetangula): Proceed, Senator. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : I know that Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki is a very good student. I am sure he will see through the things that we are saying at a later stage. Like I said, he does not get excited and make statements...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Let me allow you that last point of order. Stick to what is out of order.

Madam Speaker, if the Minority Leader is the leader he is trying to profess, he would have addressed me with respect, particularly when it is on matters of his personal interpretation, as to whether or not I was cynical. I did not say that only the Opposition was smiling. The...

To the best of my knowledge, I think we are all in agreement in this country that the Opposition has always sought for dialogue which the Jubilee Administration has not accepted before and so, when we see indications akin to dialogue, we should all treat it with the decorum it...

Sen. Wetangula) :somebody somewhere feels they have cheated. That is why we need to pass this kind of legislation so that our athletes who have developed their skills as their means of livelihood cannot be stopped from competing in the main event, being the Olympics in Rio De Janeiro as...

had a much more far-reaching consultations on this Bill before we deal with it. However, since Olympics are around the corner---

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to support this Bill. For Kenyans, it came as good news when we finally learnt that we still had a window to pass this Bill in the amended form. That was when our Cabinet Secretary (CS) for Foreign Affairs...

Proceed.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to inform my senior colleague that the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) is part of the United Nations (UN) body and, therefore, it confirms itself as an independent body, just like the Fédération Internationale de Football Association (FIFA) which has its own rules and regulations. These...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will try to be fast. The idea of a conference was mooted in Mombasa in the first year of devolution. The Members of the County Assemblies (MCAs) were there and said that it will be a good idea for...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I support this Motion for Adjournment. I wish to emphasize the importance of the conference that we are planning ahead. Money should be spent prudently and at the end, people should gain knowledge on what the county assemblies and the Senate do. We...

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I have spoken on this Bill. The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Shebesh) : Thank you. The Member for Shinyalu, have you spoken to this Bill? Please go ahead if you have not.

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I want to support the Chair’s position. He is actually removing ambiguity because “not less than” and “not exceeding” are two different things. In legal terminology, “not exceeding” is better than “not less than”. When you say “not less than”, you give a lot...

Hon. Wetangula Not on this one.

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I too would like to send my condolences- --. (Loud consultations) April 26, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to inform my distinguished colleague that in the current Constitution, consultation and communication are given prominence. Does he not remember that two years ago, the Head of State approved and said 10,000 young men and women go for training in the...

April 26, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

We cannot institutionalize consultation in circumstances where it is not necessary. The deputy governor is the principal assistant to the governor. If the governor wants him to do something, he instructs him. If the governor is out of the country, he becomes the governor and not the deputy. That is...

May I inform the Senate Minority Leader? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :good academic papers but can hardly do anything. As a lawyer, I know some of our colleagues who have gone through university but cannot even construct a demand letter. When a client hires...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to inform my distinguished colleague that in the current Constitution, consultation and communication are given prominence. Does he not remember that two years ago, the Head of State approved and said 10,000 young men and women go for training in the Police Service and...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo, what is your point of order?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I worked in the university before I joined Sen. Wetangula in the Grand Coalition Government. We have two types of universities in Kenya; public and private. I never saw one called ‘River Road’ in any of the two categories. Could the distinguished Senator tell us which...

April 26, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

dependent and shall conduct their mutual relations on the basis of consultation and cooperation.” It means that the government at the national level is not any different from the government at the county level. Therefore, what is good at the national level is equally good at the county level. In...

set and the Constitution is clear that no Member other than the head of the delegation has an original vote on matters affecting counties. This was a terrible lacuna in the law from the beginning.In the case of Kyalo, it was a well choreographed and designed conspiracy, starting with the...

The Senate Minority Leader, we have one minute to 6.30 p.m. It is either you conclude or you will have your balance of about 16 minutes. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I will conclude. This Bill is good and I...

There being no other interest to contribute, the Mover may reply in the half a minute remaining.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have heard the contributions of the Senate Minority Leader and those of Sen. Wako. Since we sit in the Committee on Human Rights and Legal Affairs, the issues raised will be canvassed accordingly in order to find a solution. I had made all the contributions...

Do you want to make an application?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, may I make an application under Standing Order 54 (3) , that the vote on this matter be put off to the next day. Thank you. April 26, 2016 SENATE DEBATES ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I wanted to speak on the amendment by the Chair, but you have already gone through the same.

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I support the amendment. It is important for a person who wants to be a private security service provider to be vetted. He must be of high integrity because he will be in the security sector.

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I support this amendment. I believe that the public good always overrides the interests of any individual. Matters prejudicial are sometimes not necessarily unlawful. Maybe somebody has just engaged in something that will compromise his integrity. That is why we want to have this...

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Did I hear the Senate Minority Leader say that somebody who had 10 acres of land in Burnt Forest was compensated with half-an-acre in Mai Mahiu? Could he clarify that? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr....

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Did I hear the Senate Minority Leader say that somebody who had 10 acres of land in Burnt Forest was compensated with half-an-acre in Mai Mahiu? Could he clarify that? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :...

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to ask for the Chair’s guidance. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the distinguished Senator for West Pokot probably does not live in this country. The President and his deputy themselves went out to give our money to...

Sen. Wetangula, let me give guidance on this issue. I deferred this issue essentially to Tuesday, so that Senators can interrogate this document. Therefore, you should ask the categorisation of the payment; whether it was Kshs400,000 or whatever number that was paid without talking about “favoured areas.” It is important...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You are right. Sen. Wetangula was a Minister and I was a Permanent Secretary (PS) in the previous Government. Therefore, are the figures that the previous Government gave different from those that this Government has given? Let us not confuse this....

What is your point of order, Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki?

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to ask for the Chair’s guidance.

The Chair of the Committee?

I am seeking guidance from you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This matter is of great national interest and it is affecting April 21, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Njoroge, is that not exactly what I said not so long ago about categorization? Okay, fine. (Sen. Wetangula resumed his seat)

No, I will give you the Floor because I think we must get direction one way or the other. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :sure that they win so that they make their money. When they tire out, they then introduce them to substances. Such a case is that of a very promising young girl called Ms. Rita Jeptoo. I hope that after her ban, she will still have...

Sen. Wetangula) :Mo Farah!

I beg the House that I want to see a young man like Paul Tergat, Kipchoge Keino, John Ngugi and others, sitting on this board. So, we need to look at even post-secondary.Let me go back to the disease of this country where we pass a very good Bill, take...

Mo Farah!

Mo Farah is not a Kenyan Waria.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Some of the most celebrated athletes in this country come from Bungoma County. Is it in order for the Senator of Bungoma to deny his own athletes who come from Mount Elgon area and who have given this country great pride...

appointed anybody from Mount Elgon apart from Hon. Fred Kapondi who was charged with Sen. (Dr.) Machage in one case. He was appointed the Chairman of some failing bank.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to go to Clause 11. Order! Can somebody give Sen. Wetangula the correct Bill?

Sen. Wetangula):organisation called the Council of Governors (CoGs); it is a shame. If that money was used in our counties to develop talent, it would make a big difference and a great contribution to nurturing, exploiting and promoting the talent of our young people. It is regrettable that this Bill...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, did you notice that the Senator for Busia County crossed to this other side of the House and walked all the way and crossed back and disappeared? Where is he? I cannot see him anywhere. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen....

Can I explain Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir? Sen. Wako, you are completely out of order! The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have finished with Clause 11. I now go to Clause 14 regarding the powers of the board to receive...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :they have been parliamentarians? Some of them do not have any qualifications because there are no qualifications for coming to Parliament. People who cannot even read and write have been appointed to various positions in this country. So, where you have a person like this---The...

they have been parliamentarians? Some of them do not have any qualifications because there are no qualifications for coming to Parliament. People who cannot even read and write have been appointed to various positions in this country. So, where you have a person like this---The Petitioner should be lauding the...

Order, Sen. Wetangula. You are asking the Committee to do a job not meant for it.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is the Minority Leader in order to subvert the intention of the Petition away from its particulars? He has moved completely to another issue. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. Billow! The purpose of these...

Sen. Wetangula) : The House cannot act in vain. This matter is so grave and important to the nation. We have already done our bit and we want to get the assurance from the Executive that they are also doing their bit. Sen. (Prof.) Anyang'-Nyong'o, do you have a Statement...

Sen. Wetangula) :funds until such time that this House will be respected in the manner in which it oversights county governments and that we can account for counties’ resources. Any Senator who will go to loiter in Meru will just be going there to confirm the worst of our fears.Thank...

to the House the criteria for these contributions?When you look at Nairobi County, the largest county with the largest revenue base has contributed Kshs 11million. Lamu County the smallest county that receives the least allocation of resources has contributed Kshs 15million. How do you explain enormous contributions from impoverished counties...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to seek clarifications, very well aware of the Intergovernmental Relations Act which makes it very clear that funds for funding the Council of Governors (CoG) and the Summit shall be contributed by the Treasury. What legal framework informed county governments to make the contributions...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Governor of Murang’a who, unfortunately, is your Governor and you must accept that part. There was also the attempt of impeaching the Governor of Kericho, the Governor of Makueni and the Deputy Governor of Machakos. Is it a devolved function for some counties to spend...

funds until such time that this House will be respected in the manner in which it oversights county governments and that we can account for counties’ resources. Any Senator who will go to loiter in Meru will just be going there to confirm the worst of our fears.Thank you. Sen....

Sen. Wetangula):clarifications. If there could have been some regulations with regards to how the money was contributed, could the Chairperson seek from the CoG what assessment formula was used to assign the amount of money that was to be contributed by each county? From what we have heard, it has...