Moses Masika Wetangula

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Murkomen, what do you want? (Loud consultations)

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Senator! Let us have Sen. Mutula and then we continue. (Applause) (Applause) November 17, 2015 SENATEDEBATES (Laughter) (Laughter)

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. We are here this afternoon on a very important matter. I have said I fully understand what the opposition is trying to do and it is within their right. I wish them luck. I have also expressed myself that they will...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I was on the Floor, let me finish. The loss of temper by the Senate Majority Leader and the use of excessive and extravagant language that I did not use, is not keeping and inconsistent with his character. He did not listen to me. When I...

“What did he say?” He was not even listening to me. (Laughter) (Applause) (Loud consultations)

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of information, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Please, inform me. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I urge you to bring back the proceedings to the rails and let us go to the business of the House as it ought...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Today, it may turn out to be an important day because a number of fundamental issues have been raised. Sen. Orengo started by questioning whether the President should bring an amendment instead of a reservation. That is already a fundamental issue. I and other...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the reason I am saying this is because I have been having a discussion with the Senate Majority Leader, one point that I emphasise is that the authority of the President to give presidential assent or deny, otherwise a veto, is an important constitutional contravention which...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Senators! At the time, I called the Senate Majority Leader. Both the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Minority Leader were not in the House. Subsequent to that, I also asked if any of the leadership had been given that mandate. Even at that point, the...

Order, Senators! At the time, I called the Senate Majority Leader. Both the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Minority Leader were not in the House. Subsequent to that, I also asked if any of the leadership had been given that mandate. Even at that point, the Senate Majority Whip...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Hon. Senators, pursuant to provisions of Standing Order No.45---

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. With a lot of respect to my leader, the Standing Order does not delegate to the Deputy Majority or Minority Leaders. Standing Order No.45 (2) (c) is very clear and it says:- November 12, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

You are quite in order Senator. All I am saying is that at the point that I called, the Majority and the Minority Leaders were not in the House. The Senate Minority Leader walked in as the process was ongoing. If you would want us to stop everything and give...

We have to bring this issue to a closure. Under the circumstances, therefore, the Deputy Majority Leader will proceed to read that Statement.

November 12, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) :Order, Sen. (Prof. Anyang’-Nyong’o! On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. There is absolutely no illegality that we have carried out. I want to draw the attention of the House to Standing Order No.20, which talks about the Senate Minority Leader, Deputy Senate Minority Leader, Senate Minority...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Madam Temporary Speaker, the highest number of cases of witchcraft, engagements of fortune tellers and other forms of evils are reported during election time in Tanzania. The Government of Kenya protecting people with disabilities at a time when Tanzanian elections are going on is...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Chairman, what did the administration of the CDF got to do with visiting a shrine?

Sen. Wetangula) :November 11, 2015 SENATEDEBATES Mr. Speaker, Sir, first, I respectfully walked to the Chair and sought permission to rise and request for this Statement. The Chair dutifully, lawfully and graciously granted me the permission. That November 11, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Order, the Sen. Wetangula! I think you have finished your statement now. Chairperson, do you have something to respond? What is it, Sen. Orengo?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a very serious matter. With your indulgence, I know Sen. Haji will be able to deal with this and I have absolute confidence in him. However, an hour ago, another journalist, Alphonse Shiundu has also been summoned to appear at the Criminal Investigations Department (CID)...

Let me allow, Sen. Murkomen one more comment and then I rule on this matter.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I totally agree with my mentor and senior, Sen. Orengo when it comes to the substance. When Sen. Wetangula raised this issue, I was wondering about the digressions he had, talking about Itumbi and some other miscellaneous people who are not substantially involved in the...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The last time I defended a journalist who had been arrested was Bramwel Njururi. Criminal libel has been declared unconstitutional in this Republic. My concern – even when the Chair is asking the question – is the inviolability of this House. I thought that it...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. In democracies worldwide, public officers are beyond defamation. In fact, the senior counsel will tell you that in emerging democracies, whenever a public officer is accused of any wrong, the onus immediately shifts on that public officer to discharge the pardoned officer innocent. As we...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, right from history and the biblical ages, that who God wants to destroy is first made mad, and that is common knowledge. Could this be the writing on the wall? What powers does the Cabinet Secretary (CS) have to order for an arrest? Could that be answered...

Hon. Senators, before I ask the Chairperson to respond, there were a number of points of order that were addressed to me, which must be disposed of. Sen. Murkomen raised the issue of the written statement and Sen. Keter raised the issue of 1.00 p.m. I want to agree with...

Order, Sen. Wetangula! I am giving you a procedure which you are familiar with. For now, the decision that I made in the matter of Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo has always been and will remain the case even as we speak today. Yes, Chairperson.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a very straightforward matter. In view of the fact that you have ruled that the Committee should undertake thorough investigations, I reserve my own views about it, until that time. I undertake to take up the matter with the Cabinet Secretary concerned and report in...

Hon. Senators, I direct that the Chairperson brings this matter to the House on Tuesday, next week. I heard him talk of bringing it in less than a week. Tuesday is the earliest day for next week. Chairperson, you are so directed. November 11, 2015 SENATEDEBATES STATUS OF PREPAREDNESS OF...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 26th May, 2015, I sought a statement from the Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights. My request was in respect of four parts and I have not received an answer in respect of what I raised, which pertains to the Independent Electoral...

Order, Senator! We are not revisiting the statement; it is just a reminder. Chairperson, Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want apologise to the Senator. I have no information with regard to that statement. It seems like my colleague, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., has the statement.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the IEBC responded by bringing answers to many questions by Senators and we requested them to separate them. If you allow us, by Tuesday, we will have the response specifically on the request by Sen. Obure. On behalf of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights,...

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., the apology does not have to come from you; your Chairperson has already done it. Your bit was just to tell us the complication. That statement should be on the Order Paper on Tuesday, next week. POINT OF ORDER CONFIDENTIALITY OF INFORMATION GIVEN BY THE NATIONAL...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to seek clarity from the Chair. The media was discussing about confidentiality of information. I want to know whether there is any communication from the national Government on the manner upon which information shall be shared to Committees of Parliament....

Sen. Hassan, I can dispose of that one. This country is a constitutional democracy. The Constitution of Kenya, 2010 has Article 125, where any House or a Committee of the House can compel any person to be a witness and produce documents. I would not imagine any Cabinet Secretary, even...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for your ruling. I substantially identify myself with that ruling and I am bound by the entire ruling like all of us are. However, I hope in future - because jurisprudence is made continually- you will give us an opportunity to canvass one point....

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is the fifth time the Senate Minority Leader has been complaining so much about the proxy vote. However, when I look at Article 98 of the Constitution, I cannot see the word ‘proxy.’ The Article 98 (1) 9 (b) provides that:- “Sixteen women...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, instead of the delegations. Nominated Members are Members of delegations either of Nairobi or any other county. They are not proxy Members of a delegation. The issue is not the diction, but the word and the perception of the word. Mr. Speaker, Sir, you...

Can I dispose of those ones before I allow those other points of order with a lot of gusto?

On a point of order. Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Senate Minority Leader talked about a category of people who change their mind and those who do not. Is he insinuating that the Chair belongs to that other category because your position has been consistent? (Laughter)

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Motion as amended. Sometimes, the problem begins when evacuating people from accident scenes. Unless we have personnel who are properly trained to handle people from scenes of accidents wherever they occur, injuries will be...

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Senators! We should be progressing to Order Nos.8 and 9, but before we do so, there was a request for a Communication from the Chair, which is under preparation. I promise to issue the Communication tomorrow. I, therefore, defer Order Nos.8 and 9 until that Communication...

Sen. Wetangula) :November 10, 2015 SENATEDEBATES What of the clerk who switched off the red light without warning?

We will punish those ones. Who is interested in contributing to this Bill? Given that there is no much interest, I will allow Sen. Wetangula to make use of the balance of his time. That way, we will redeem the clerks from being punished. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen....

You know our Standing Orders also allow you to move the amendment and not only

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. With all due respect to my leader, he mentioned voting machines across the Floor. Given that Sen. Boy Juma Boy is seated there, is he part of the voting machines? Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, distinguished colleagues who, when...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. While I entirely agree with my party leader, I would like to remind him that a Senator speaking on the Floor must substantiate his allegations. Could he substantiate who amongst us constitute these “voting machines” because Kenyans are watching? They might...

Sen. Wetangula, you have been challenged. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Whereas I appreciate the exemption from being a “voting machine,” since I am looking at one as I stand here - and Sen. Wetangula...

Sen. Wetangula) :Continue, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, to begin with, in response to Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale’s point of order, the maxim in law is that ‘to specify one is to exclude others.’ Therefore, when I said ‘in front of me,’ I excluded November 10, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Whereas I appreciate the exemption from being a “voting machine,” since I am looking at one as I stand here - and Sen. Wetangula has one that is even more crucial than mine - is he in order to imply that...

I refer Sen. Wetangula to Standing Order No. 90 (6) . I will read for him because he seems to have forgotten. It states:- “A Senator shall refer to another Senator by the title (Senator…(name of the Senator.) ” You cannot refer to them as voting machines or any other...

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Senator in order to mislead this House and the nation and to interrupt presentation of facts by an hon. Senator who has gone to the extent of presenting facts? Is he in order not to...

Order, Sen. Wetangula. We

I will invoke the relevant Standing Order. Decide which way you want to go. I will invoke the Standing Order despite you being my party Leader. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. Muthama! Everybody is entitled to his opinion. I do not remember...

Sen. Wetangula) : Your point has been heard. Please, proceed, Sen. Haji Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this Bill is a liberator. I urge Sen. Musila that this Bill should be expanded. Although each university has an Act covering it, this is a generic law that covers education. It should be...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have a lot of respect for the Senator for Bungoma, having been my classmate and rika mate. But he is literally exhibiting certain characteristics that I did not know of him; for example, the address of people from certain communities that...

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Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Senator for Nyeri County is my great friend and we share many things, including what we see going on in this country. He is one of the Senators who would never condone what Ms. Waiguru is doing, but he cannot say it.

Order, Sen. Wetangula!

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, with all due respect to my colleague, to say that the Jubilee Government is the one that has created corruption, is pushing it too November 10, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Order, Senator! What is not in order?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, he cannot say that the Jubilee Government is creating corruption while we know that it was created a long time ago by some people who are now in CORD.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Senator in order to mislead this House and the nation and to interrupt presentation of facts by an hon. Senator who has gone to the extent of presenting facts? Is he in order not to counter those facts...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it causes me great pain to see that when the country is bleeding, and foreigners like the Americans are here---

Order, Senator! Which

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I meant in this country not the House. Foreigners are telling us that corruption has gone out of control. Instead of Sen. Kagwe – whom I respect very much together with his late father-in-law, whom I know he got some teaching from because he could not...

Order, Sen. Muthama! Everybody is entitled to his opinion. I do not remember hearing Sen. Kagwe deny that there is any corruption.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, you are correct and I am passionate about that. I was the first person to admit that there is corruption in this country. However, what I refuse to accept is that it has been started by the Jubilee Government. I know that corruption has been practiced...

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. This Bill has generated a lot of interest. It is obvious that in the Rules and Business Committee (RBC) , we have been trying to see how we can deal with business of this House as quickly as possible....

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have a lot of respect for the Senate Minority Leader, especially his level of education. We may not agree on ideals and ideas. However, there are two simple English words that he ought to have learned the meaning of, better. The words “blessed” and “favoured”....

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I agree with my colleagues. Fundamentally, the Committee has let us down. That Report is not intellectually stimulating, it is underwhelming and is below the standards that we have set for ourselves as Senators. Mr. Speaker, Sir, an issue has arisen and we must...

I agree; when he made reference to the senior lawyers infront of him. His was referring to Sen. Murungi. (Laughter)

Sen. Wetangula) :November 3, 2015 SENATEDEBATES Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, before the distinguished Chairperson answers, the management of a health system particularly on children must be a matter of uttermost care. The distinguished Senator answering the question is sitting next to another distinguished Senator who is a nurse by training...

Chairperson.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I sympathise with what happened to the people of Busia. According to the Statement from the Cabinet Secretary, all of them except one were discharged. With your indulgence, we can still go back to the Ministry and raise the questions that have been raised, so that...

Sen. (Dr.) Machage, is that it?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is okay. We need proper answers for proper questions.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I thank the Chairperson for accepting that the Committee could come to us with a better answer. However, could she also consider ensuring that those children are visited so that we know their current status? The fact that they were discharged...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in the Statement, I said that there is a follow-up to make sure that the children fully recover. As I said earlier, I sympathise with the whole situation. However, we will go back to the Ministry because the distinguished Senators have a reason to seek clarification....

Sen. (Dr.) Machage, that seems to be it. That should be the end of that position and it should be the end of Statements time.

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Before you call for the next Order, I rise under Standing Order No. 46 to make a brief personal statement.

Go on. November 3, 2015 SENATEDEBATES PERSONAL STATEMENT CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF THE DECEASED PEDESTRIAN WHO WAS HIT BY SEN. (DR.) KHALWALE’S CAR

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for giving the indulgence. My statement is very brief to the effect that the death of any Kenyan is a very painful experience for the family and friends. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on Saturday, my car, in which I was driving to Kitale...

Pole! Pole!

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Obviously, I do not know what you want to raise. That is why I asked you if you wanted to raise a point of order and under what Standing Order it will be raised. As at now, we have dealt with Orders No. 1...

Sen. Wetangula) :November 3, 2015 SENATEDEBATES Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am on a point of order but I want to argue a point based on that Standing Order ---

Yes, I am listening to you. You are anticipating. Are you not? You are saying you want to raise a point of order. So that I can know the direction to take, I am asking you to take me through it. Under what Standing Order do you want to raise...

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. Omar! You cannot anticipate what I am discussing with Sen. Omar, can you? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the valve, the vent – because when we come here to arch points, it is not that we want the Chair...

No, it is possible. You can always make an attempt. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is rare and, indeed, unusual that the proceedings of the House can appear to stop. If these vigorous consolations...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Order Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Sen. Wetangula is on a point of order. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I see the difficulty in which we find ourselves. I want to reaffirm the point where I started that I have got a very...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, following your ruling that your inclination is that you do not want to be ambushed; and my brother here has been repeating and repeating; for the purpose of clarity, could he state directly what his fear is about us resolving to the Committee status so that...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : The only thing I ask of you as your Deputy Speaker is; let us show restraint and respect for each other. At the end of the day, we are honorable Senators. We must lead from the front. So, please, let us show some restraint...

Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I want to sympathize with the Senate Minority Leader, because the argument he has laid before us is hollow and not substantiated by the Constitution. I will go straight to the point because there is shortage of time. One, is in Rule...

Sen. Wetangula, if we take divergent issues---

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have said so many times, that if the intention of the Senate Minority Leader is to annoy me, he should look for something else to do. Is it fair for him to stand here and he is a perpetual absentee---...

Sen. Wetangula, proceed. PRECEDENT SET ON THRESHOLD FOR VOTING IN THE SENATE VIS-A-VIS THE PROVISIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE STANDING ORDERS November 3, 2015 SENATEDEBATES

Order, Sen. Wetangula! November 3, 2015 SENATEDEBATES (Loud Consultations)

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. May I concentrate on the issue on whether we have to have 24 Members for the vote to be called or not. The Constitution under Article 121 states clearly that the quorum for this House is 15 Members....

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when we voted on Kiala’s Impeachment, we were 24. I was here and, therefore, the record must be clear. For purposes of those who are not lawyers, there is something called “the letter” of the law and “the spirit” of the law. The...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wanted your clarification on what Sen. Wetangula was talking about earlier, concerning how we do voting. I did not understand whether he wanted to tell us about what we are supposed to do today. That is the clarification I...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will try my best to speak within the time limit that you have provided. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have listened with a lot of patience to the arguments that have been made by the Senate Minority Leader and those who have...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The effects of El Nino, if at all will be there, will be felt in the area of agriculture and the area of food production. How much has been allocated to agriculture especially in purchase of maize which is...

Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think the last time El Nino came; we did not know it was El Nino until it was declared as El Nino. This time, I think we are over-excited to receive the El Nino and I believe this is not something...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The effects of El Nino, if at all will be there, will be felt in the area of agriculture and the area of food production. How much has been allocated to agriculture especially in purchase of maize which is now going to waste in Trans...

Order! Senator, do not imagine; interrogate the real Statement, your time is over.

Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. Indeed, I think there are El Nino effects in some parts of the country. In Mandera County last week in a sub-county called Elwak, there was unusual rain which had the effects of flooding. In fact, one person died and dozens of people have been...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think the last time El Nino came; we did not know it was El Nino until it was declared as El Nino. This time, I think we are over-excited to receive the El Nino and I believe this is not something which was to...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, further to all the questions that have been asked, I am interested in knowing how much of the amount that has been set aside to mitigate El Nino will be used towards harvesting the water knowing that 70 per cent of this country experiences arid and semi...

Your time is up, Sen. Ongoro! October 29, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I would like to know whether our people are aware of this El Nino phenomenon because it is important. As Sen. Billow said, the rains have come and caused damage. In future, we also need to trust our Metrological Department....

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to seek clarification on the estimates. Are there any estimates from the Government Ministries? In case of the Kshs5 billion contingency fund, we need to get the breakdown per sector or county, if possible. In terms of the mitigating measures, the positive ones like...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, what legal or disciplinary action will be taken against the department in case the El Nino is not felt or received? It is assumed that all parts of the country will receive El Nino rains. In areas where it will not happen, and money has been used,...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not want to say that El Nino rains has started, but some areas in this country are facing heavy rainfall. Last week in Baragoi, we lost over 70 goats after two days of heavy rainfall. In 1997/1998, we suffered very many diseases in Kenya, especially...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the clarification I would like to seek from the Senate Deputy Majority Leader is whether the coordinating team is working with the counties. We have seen in the media many counties allocating huge amounts of money. For example, one county has set aside Kshs300 million. Is there...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, my concerns have been alluded to by Sen. Leshore. However, I would like to ask the Chairperson to give us an assurance that there will be adequate vaccine against the Rift Valley Fever which killed many people and livestock in northern Kenya.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like know how much of the total amount set aside to mitigate the effects of El Nino has been earmarked to deal with the destruction to infrastructure, in particular, the Mai Mahiu-Narok Road which is prone to destruction in such events. October 29, 2015 SENATE...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not know whether we are experiencing La Nina in my county because my people are suffering from starvation. I expected that the money earmarked for El Nino should be used to cater for the people who are suffering already. We have lost many animals in...

Order Senator. Your time is up. It is now time for clarification, not time to air views.

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, my point of order is that my two colleagues who are very senior lawyers in this country, are misleading this Senate and the nation by saying that the President has no role in bringing Bills to this House. Bills originate from...

Could you decide what you want to call me? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : You are the Chairman. October 29, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):However, Article 115 of the Constitution gives a whole process of how to deal with the Memorandum. Therefore, when the Memoranda came, the National Assembly went ahead and applied exactly this Article and voted on the two Memoranda. Our Speaker then came with the ruling and said;...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The effects of El Nino, if at all will be there, will be felt in the area of agriculture and the area of food production. How much has been allocated to agriculture especially in purchase of maize which is...

Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think the last time El Nino came; we did not know it was El Nino until it was declared as El Nino. This time, I think we are over-excited to receive the El Nino and I believe this is not something...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The effects of El Nino, if at all will be there, will be felt in the area of agriculture and the area of food production. How much has been allocated to agriculture especially in purchase of maize which is now going to waste in Trans...

Order! Senator, do not imagine; interrogate the real Statement, your time is over.

Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. Indeed, I think there are El Nino effects in some parts of the country. In Mandera County last week in a sub-county called Elwak, there was unusual rain which had the effects of flooding. In fact, one person died and dozens of people have been...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think the last time El Nino came; we did not know it was El Nino until it was declared as El Nino. This time, I think we are over-excited to receive the El Nino and I believe this is not something which was to...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, further to all the questions that have been asked, I am interested in knowing how much of the amount that has been set aside to mitigate El Nino will be used towards harvesting the water knowing that 70 per cent of this country experiences arid and semi...

Your time is up, Sen. Ongoro! October 29, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I would like to know whether our people are aware of this El Nino phenomenon because it is important. As Sen. Billow said, the rains have come and caused damage. In future, we also need to trust our Metrological Department....

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to seek clarification on the estimates. Are there any estimates from the Government Ministries? In case of the Kshs5 billion contingency fund, we need to get the breakdown per sector or county, if possible. In terms of the mitigating measures, the positive ones like...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, what legal or disciplinary action will be taken against the department in case the El Nino is not felt or received? It is assumed that all parts of the country will receive El Nino rains. In areas where it will not happen, and money has been used,...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not want to say that El Nino rains has started, but some areas in this country are facing heavy rainfall. Last week in Baragoi, we lost over 70 goats after two days of heavy rainfall. In 1997/1998, we suffered very many diseases in Kenya, especially...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the clarification I would like to seek from the Senate Deputy Majority Leader is whether the coordinating team is working with the counties. We have seen in the media many counties allocating huge amounts of money. For example, one county has set aside Kshs300 million. Is there...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, my concerns have been alluded to by Sen. Leshore. However, I would like to ask the Chairperson to give us an assurance that there will be adequate vaccine against the Rift Valley Fever which killed many people and livestock in northern Kenya.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like know how much of the total amount set aside to mitigate the effects of El Nino has been earmarked to deal with the destruction to infrastructure, in particular, the Mai Mahiu-Narok Road which is prone to destruction in such events. October 29, 2015 SENATE...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not know whether we are experiencing La Nina in my county because my people are suffering from starvation. I expected that the money earmarked for El Nino should be used to cater for the people who are suffering already. We have lost many animals in...

Order Senator. Your time is up. It is now time for clarification, not time to air views.

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Chairman, Sir, my point of order is that my two colleagues who are very senior lawyers in this country, are misleading this Senate and the nation by saying that the President has no role in bringing Bills to this House. Bills originate from...

Could you decide what you want to call me? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : You are the Chairman. October 29, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):However, Article 115 of the Constitution gives a whole process of how to deal with the Memorandum. Therefore, when the Memoranda came, the National Assembly went ahead and applied exactly this Article and voted on the two Memoranda. Our Speaker then came with the ruling and said;...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Let us move on to Statement (g) ; the Senate Majority Leader on El Nino. Statement (h) is deferred to next week same day and Statements (i) and (j) are deferred to tomorrow.

Sen. Wetangula) :Order, Leader of Minority!(Loud consultations)

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

You do not need to rise on a point of order because you are the one responding.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this House has been a House of respect and we do not have to trivialize issues. I have utmost respect for the Senate Minority Leader when he says that it is “raining money”. This is not the “Tokyo affair”. Let us be serious; El Nino is El...

Sen. Wetangula) : What is it, Sen. Khaniri? (Sen. Khaniri consulted another Senator) Order, Sen. Khaniri, I have given you the Floor, who else are you consulting? Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rose on a point of order as a leader in this House. As the alternative Government, it is our...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :Special Programmes. They continuously monitored where there is famine, lack of water, floods or mudslides; like what we had at Khuvasali in Kakamega and at one time there was a big one in Murang’a County. The responses have been ad hoc, disjointed and inadequate.Mr. Deputy...

Then I direct that we have it tomorrow so that we conclude the matter. It is quite topical. I am glad that the matter has been resolved. There was a request for the matter to come up on Tuesday but on the assumption that Sen. Musila will be there tomorrow,...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that The County Governments Disaster Management Bill (Senate Bill No.40 of 2014) be read a Second Time. Thank you very much Mr. Speaker, Sir. The principle purpose of this Bill is to provide a uniform legislation framework for effective and comprehensive disaster management...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I also wish to understand the rationale for rejecting this amendment because I believe consultations will enable the CS to make informed decisions. That is because the Board will have done investigations and whatever they are doing will be something that will come out...

Hon. Wetangula No, Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady. I had wished to speak to the earlier amendment.