ICHUNG’WAH ANTONY KIMANI

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me take this opportunity to welcome the Global Caucus on TB. Africa is one of the places where this disease is prevalent. It is mostly because of our crowded neighborhoods, especially in urban areas where there are slums and people live in very abhorrent conditions....

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I take this opportunity to thank Hon. Ng’elechei for thinking of paying tribute or congratulating Ms. Faith, who has done marvelously for this country. Her achievements in the last few months of breaking three world records together with Mr. Omanyala is no mean feat. We congratulate...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. On the usual Thursday statement, on behalf of the House Business Committee (HBC) , and pursuant to Standing Order 442 (a) , I wish to give the following Statement that on Tuesday 25th July, 2023 the HBC met for the consideration of the business for the...

Thank you Hon. Speaker. Let me thank the Minority Whip because I am sure in as much as he was not in the House, he was watching the number of people who contributed to this debate. We still have another chance to debate during the Third Reading because this Bill...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Atandi, order. What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Temporary Speaker, you know we are a House of rules. Maybe, you could ask Hon. Atandi to take his seat so that we become orderly. Standing Order...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I wanted to inform Hon. Hilary that he was quite in order. Indeed, the Whip of the Minority Party has confirmed what Hon. Hilary was saying. He is not denying the fact that there are people 27th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 collecting illegal taxes. He...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I will begin by telling Hon. Junet that the Kenya Kwanza Government has no desire or plans to enlist the services of goons. Those who enlist the services of goons and anarchy are well known in this country. I want to join you in saying...

She has no capacity, Hon. Temporary Speaker, to inform me on anything or any subject. I was asking how much violence and bloodshed is enough. I believe you will protect me from this unnecessary noise. (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, please protect me from Hon. Rozaah Buyu or you can allow her to say what she wants on record for us to stop fighting. (Hon. Rozaah Buyu and Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona shouted)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have tremendous respect for Senior Counsel Otiende Amollo because he listens and responds as we should in a debating chamber instead of shouting. I must clarify, I was speaking to the leadership from Luo-Nyanza and saying a time must come for them to say enough is...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, some of these issues are not necessary to respond to because if someone keenly listens to what I am saying, they will get my point. (Loud consultations)

Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker, for bringing order back to the House. As I said, if anyone keenly listened to what I said, I was responding to the use of terms like ‘genocide’ and ‘targeting of communities.’ Leader of the Majority Party, we already ruled on that. Avoid it. Hon....

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have been here long enough to know these tactics…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, you know I never stand here to speak carelessly. There is a report which was released the day before yesterday by the Ministry of Interior and National Administration which is in public domain; that 158 police vehicles were destroyed, 305 officers injured and one policeman killed. When...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, add me time because I have been disrupted. I have three minutes and 20 seconds. If you listened to the people in Kitengela, they said the people were brought in the morning. The violence that was mooted in Mlolongo was not by the people of Mlolongo or...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I allowed Hon. Junet because he is a serious leader and he will never shout aimlessly. The day I will run a Government, he will know that. I am not running any Government now. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am just stating facts. Criminal elements have...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is unfair to give me a minute, but I cannot speak as Hon. Millie Odhiambo is shouting. You are shouting for me not to say the truth but I will speak the truth here. As leaders from Luo Nyanza you must lead from the front. You...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for bringing us back to order. In conclusion, as leaders, we must declare that enough is enough. No more blood should be shed in this country. No more blood should be used as a currency for political negotiation. As the Government’s spokesperson in this House,...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

The Member on her feet is quoting... What is out of order? Hon. Temporary Speaker, I was waiting for the ones who have a trophy in shouting to finish shouting then I articulate my point of order. The Member who was on her feet, clearly articulating very good points about...

On a point of information.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I just want to inform Hon. Rindikiri that it is true that people who work and live outside were ferried using public service vehicles to Kitengela. These are facts that speak for themselves. What Hon. Rindikiri is asking is true. We must know who mobilised them. That...

On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I wanted to inform Hon. Tongoyo to ignore Hon. Millie because she says she knows me. I know what she is alluding to and I am not interested. 27th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 Secondly, the Leader of the Minority Party justifiably said that we must...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: Reports of the Auditor-General and Financial Statements in respect of the following institutions for the year ended 30th June 2022 and the certificates therein:

Hon. Temporary Speaker, on a point of order. I have struggled, just like you are struggling, to listen to Hon. Hussein, Member of Parliament for Mandera East and the question brought by Member of Parliament for Mandera County, Hon. Umul Kheir Kassim. If you listen to what the Hon. Member...

I was getting there. It is only that you cut me short. The Member should be speaking for the constituency. Our own Standing Orders are clear. If you have any interest, even in a project like the one that has been stated here… The Member of Parliament for Mandera East...

On a point of order. Yes, Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Temporary Speaker, as you know we must be a House that sticks to our own rules and procedures. I, therefore, rise on Standing Order 91 on responsibility for statement of fact on the supplementary question that was raised...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Leader of the Majority Party. Give him the microphone. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise on a point of order because I know the Leader of the Minority Party is a newly crowned lawyer, and I am not one, so he ought...

Maybe it is because he is yet to be admitted to the Bar. I am sure that once he is admitted and joins your ranks and that of Senior Counsel Otiende Amollo, he will be privy to the rule of sub judice because the matters that he is going into...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support the Committee’s Report on consideration of the VAT (Electronic, Internet and Digital Market Place Supply) Regulations, 2023. As indicated by the Mover and other Members who have contributed, it is indeed true that VAT has been levied on Kenyans providing services...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg your indulgence and that of the House to skip Order No.12—the Second Reading of the Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill (National Assembly Bill No.21 of 2023) . This Bill is before two Committees: the Departmental Committee on Health and Departmental Committee on Agriculture...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the National Rating Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 55 of 2022) be now read a Second Time. Article 209 (5) of the Constitution confers on Parliament the powers to regulate the exercise of fiscal responsibilities by county governments. By dint of the...

Thank you. You know Hon. Babu Owino might be imagining that he is in Jacaranda grounds, but we must forgive him because he was released the other day from police cells. I was saying with modern technology it is now possible to get the actual size of land without land...

On a point order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am aware that Hon. Oundo has 10 minutes. I was only signaling the Temporary Speaker that Hon. Oundo is an authority on valuation. He is a Land Economist....

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me express my sympathies, with your indulgence, to the people of Kisumu West, ably represented by Hon. Rozaah Buyu. I regret the loss of lives, especially that of a young Form One student and the businessmen who suffered from those robberies. Allow me to advise...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. They are quite disruptive.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am sure that Hon. Nyikal is now satisfied. He is a stickler to procedures and a very diligent legislator. I encourage our new and young Members to learn from the likes of Hon. Robert Mbui, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal and the Chairman of the Committee...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. It is true that we had scheduled those Cabinet Secretaries as I communicated in the usual Thursday Statement last week. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour is among the Cabinet Secretaries who were to appear this afternoon. We also resolved the same in the House Business Committee...

However powerful or mighty you may perceive yourself to be, you must not deal with the people’s representatives and the institution of Parliament with contempt. We will do whatever it takes. Hon. Speaker, all Members of the Cabinet know what it can take to protect the constitutional mandate of this...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, let me support the Petition by the people of Jomvu Constituency, Mombasa. The question of land compensation as the Minority Whip says, is a very touchy subject. We have always said that land is an emotive and touchy subject in the country. As much as...

I do not stomach ineptness even in my own office. And we must not stomach ineptness…

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. You know my good friend, the Leader of the Minority Party, may have not listened to me keenly because he was being interrupted by the Member for Kathiani. I was not discussing the conduct of a person. I was discussing the office of the DG,...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg your indulgence. I want to inform the Member for Kisii County, Hon. Doris Donya that at 75 years of age, you may not be in a position to even actively participate in praise and worship in your church. I encourage Hon. Dorice Donya to participate...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise on a point of order because you have given very clear instructions to Hon. Samuel Atandi. He must withdraw and apologise to the House because as much as he wants to play...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support this Petition by the residents of Misufini, Vibandani and Kibarani in Kilifi North. I know this Petition is to go to the Public Petitions Committee, but it is a matter of concern that the Chairperson of the Public Petitions Committee is never...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am sure Hon. Opiyo Wandayi has heard and we will act accordingly. I was just noting this as a matter of concern because it is important that whenever business is being transacted that will appear before a committee, the chairperson is to be present. The...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give a Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee (HBC) , which met on Tuesday, 27th June 2023 to prioritise the business for consideration during the week. As Members are aware,...

Is it Order No.10? Yes! We are on Order No.10. Sorry, Hon. Speaker. I was speaking to the Chair of the Public Petitions Committee. He has heard you and me from wherever he is. ALTERATION OF THE CALENDAR OF THE HOUSE Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion:...

Hon. Speaker, I beg your indulgence. We consulted with the Chairman, and because he was rushing somewhere, he requested that you indulge him and allow this business on Order No.12 to be rescheduled to some time on Tuesday next week. Order No.11? Yes. Order No.11. Sorry. So that we can...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I raise to support approval of these Regulations. What the Chairperson of Committee on Delegated Legislation and the Vice Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations have said is true. The Vice Chairperson was a seasoned officer in the military. I...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 28 (4) , this House resolves to alter its Calendar for the Second Session (Regular Sessions) as adopted on Wednesday, 15th February 2023 by varying the period of short recess with...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to put my word of support to the appointment of Ms. Anne Njoki Wang’ombe. First, I want to thank the Departmental Committee of Administration and Internal Security for doing the very good work of vetting her within a very short time. I have listened...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support this amendment. As the Vice-Chair of the Committee has indicated, this 27th June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14 particular amendment seeks to do a number of things. One is to establish that threshold. As I was moving the Bill, I indicated...

Thank you, Hon Chairlady. Yes, I did so off record, but it is good to indicate it on record. Hon. Mbadi has raised an issue on Regulations. He knows Regulations are subsidiary legislations and they will be brought after the enactment of the Bill into an Act. Therefore, he should...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee reports its consideration of the Public Finance Management (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.16 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : Hon. Members, we will...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report and request Hon. Makali Mulu to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Public Finance Management (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 16 of

Hon. Temporary Speaker, now that I did not contribute in Third Reading, allow me to just mention two things: One on county aggregation centres. As much as we are allocating all this money to county aggregation and value addition centres, we must, as Members have said, ensure that all our...

Thank you Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I rise to support this amendment. Yesterday, I do not know whether it was the Kisii County Member or another one... The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Let me propose the Question. (Question of the amendment proposed) Leader of the Majority Party, you...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee, which met on Tuesday, 20th June 2023, to prioritise the business for consideration during the week. As Members are aware, this...

If we will be done in 40 minutes, or a maximum of one hour, it will be good enough. Go ahead. There is also Order No.9. Yes. THAT, the Public Finance Management (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.16 of 2023) , be now read a Second Time. Allow me to...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. In reply, let me thank the Members who have contributed to this debate and agree with many of the sentiments, including what our former Deputy Speaker has just said on Sessional Paper No.10 of 1965. It is, indeed, true that resources were geared towards the most...

On a point of order. Yes, Hon. Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Speaker, I am on a point of order to inform the House on some matters. I am sorry, I should have said this during the Statement hour, but let me say it now. Further to your request...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The Miscellaneous Statute is quite a weighty matter that we cannot begin now, being 5.00 p.m. I would rather step it down to sometime next week.

Hon. Speaker, Hon. Shakeel is the Chairperson. He had indicated that he was out of town and he was not expecting that we would get to that particular Order this evening. So, we would also step it down to sometime next week.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House:

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I agree with the Leader of the Minority Party; that, it is good for us to conduct ourselves with decorum and allow each other to be heard. As he rightly said, today you may be here celebrating and next time you will be on the...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, this House resolves to exempt the business appearing as Order Nos.9, 10, and 11 in today’s Order Paper from the provisions of Standing Order 40 (3) , being a Wednesday Morning, a day allocated for business not sponsored...