ICHUNG’WAH ANTONY KIMANI

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to welcome Members back to this last part of this Session. As you have rightly said in your Communication, Members have had time to not only rest, but also reflect on their work as legislators and representatives of their people. I am certain many...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Junet may not be aware because he was out of the House for some time. Somebody in the House holds the patent for the noisy and messy, and there shall be casualties’ phrase. Just like the Hon. Junet holds the patent of something to do...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to give notice of the following Procedural Motion. This is a Motion that you can move without notice. Therefore, move the Motion. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to Standing Order 30 (3) (a) , this House...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Before I move, let me also take this opportunity to welcome all those students who have come to join us, including those from Embakasi East Constituency. Their Member of Parliament, Hon. Babu Owino, was banging the table instead of foot thumping, and I just pointed it...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As I reply, let me thank all Members, including Hon. Robert Mbui, who has closed by supporting the Bill with reservations. It is also okay to be a pessimist. Hon. Mbui knows the Cabinet Secretary for Information, Communication, and the Digital Economy was in his backyard...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move that the Social Health Insurance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.58 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. Allow me to begin by thanking the Departmental Committee on Health under the able leadership of the Chairman, Hon. Pukose, and the Vice-Chairman, Hon....

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is actually Hon. Junet who invited me by saying that I am tutoring Hon. Cynthia Muge. Whereas I have no problem tutoring Hon. Cynthia because she is a very diligent legislator, she was mentioning exactly what she has said. It is true we are debating this...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, let me thank all those Members who have contributed in support of this Bill for recognising that Universal Health Coverage for Kenyans is something that is long overdue. With the passage of these Bills, plus the Health Facilities Improvement Bill and the Primary Health Care Bill that...

Hon. Masara is the immediate neighbour of the Whip of the Minority Party in Suna West and, therefore, he must be compliant to what the Whip of the Minority Party says. I thank the Whip of the Minority Party. Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is in recognition of the fact that...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following papers on the Table: 24th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I have quite a number of Statements today. (Laughter) STATEMENTS BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK OF 25TH TO 29TH SEPTEMBER 2023 (Loud consultations) 24th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 7 Hon. Members, the Leader of the Majority Party, is making a very important Statement about the...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, it starts with a huge background. In March 2022, eight Turkana herders were arrested in Kotinda in the Karamoja area on suspicion of killing three Ugandan geologists and two Uganda People’s Defence Forces (UPDF) soldiers who were guarding the geologists in Lokisilei Village in Lotisan Sub-County, Moroto...

Please allow it so I take a glass of water.

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. What is your point of order, Hon. Leader of Majority Party? Hon. Deputy Speaker, this is a very sensitive matter because it involves the Head of State of a friendly country and diplomatic channels of a friendly country and a neighbour. I...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I will move on to the next statement from the Ministry of Education on the question of university admissions. CHALLENGES IN UNIVERSITY ADMISSIONS 24th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 with the issue of double registration for some students who are keying in their identity...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, it is the KeRRA.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, if Hon. Ken Chonga has difficulty in reading, he can consult Hon. Jared Okello, who was in the Departmental Committee on Education and Research. The document that I have just tabled for everybody’s benefit is 48 pages long. It covers all the issues he is talking about....

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I do not know why Hon. Chonga is getting so irritated. I said if he had a difficulty in reading this Report, somebody could help him. Now he tells me that he is doing a PhD. How do you do a PhD? You can only attend PhD...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, you know that I am an accountant and an economist. I have never pretended to be a lawyer. I do not know whether this letter was without prejudice or with caution but, at least, I can read that there is the word ‘caution’. On the last page,...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I hope that Question has been dropped. A Member cannot have their business lined up in the Order Paper and then they fail to come to the House. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, this House resolves to exempt...

On a point of Order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I chose to ignore the unnecessary tirade from Hon. Millie Odhiambo. She has issues that have nothing to do with the House or the Leader of the Majority Party. She can deal with her issues at home and not here. Standing Order 85 is very...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I said we were at Order 8 when I listened to Hon. Makali. He is a decent Member who prosecutes his issues with a lot of decorum and maturity without having to shout or spew the things you have heard being spewed. Order 8 was a Procedural...

Hon. Millie Odhiambo has never appeared in court.

He is not an accountant.

He is an economist.

Economists work with assumptions.

Thank you, Hon Temporary Chairman. I support that amendment. Just to be clear, the Bill had proposed to delete the Schedule on public participation. The deletion is what Hon. Gikaria is proposing so that the Schedule remains. He will then move a further amendment to the Schedule, reducing the number...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, sorry to interrupt, but you probably did not get the gist of the argument by (Dr) Nyikal. You were asking the way in which Hon. Gikaria has moved that particular amendment. He is okay with the first part of deletion, but he has a problem with the...

I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Climate Change (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.42 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) Hon. Members, we will not move to reporting. We will move...

Hon. Chairperson I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws Amendment Bill (National Assembly) Bill No.35 of 2023 and the provisions relating to proceeds of crime and anti-money laundering Acts of 2009 and its...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also request Hon. Naomi Waqo to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Climate Change (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.42 of 2023) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Prof. Bartoo to second.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with Committee in the said report. I ask Hon. Bowen Kangogo to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I will endeavour to do that. Coincidentally, Hon. Speaker, this afternoon I was just sharing with my deputy here at 2.05 p.m. I was on a phone conversation with a constituent of Hon. Kawanjiku from Kiambaa Constituency about a young lady who is turning 18 years...

Thank you Hon. Speaker. Indeed, it is true the issue was raised yesterday by Hon. Jared Okello and we spoke at length about it. I want to agree with the Leader of the Minority Party that this issue is disturbing many people across the country. In fact, very many Members...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Climate Change (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.42 of 2023) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Gikaria to second.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As I begin, with your indulgence, when the paralympics team visited the House, a number of Members raised issues on the conduct of the Ministry of Youth Affairs, Sports and the Arts and how it treated that team. There were also issues that emerged about other...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am well guided. I will proceed to read out the questions as listed on the Order Paper. Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 42A (6B) , I beg to ask the Cabinet Secretary for Youth Affairs, Sports and the Arts the following...

Hon. Speaker, the Cabinet Secretary asserts he was at the airport to receive them. I do not know if it was at the airport. I am assuming it was at the airport. Maybe he can clarify. If there would be any evidence, I propose that the evidence be adduced through...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, indeed, I wanted to seek your indulgence because I have seen we have gone an hour past the time the Speaker had allocated. In view of other business, I seek your indulgence so that we allow the Cabinet Secretary to take leave and probably answer some of...

I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration to the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws Amendment Bill (National Assembly) Bill No.35 of 2023 and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) 23rd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support the amendment. (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to) (Part II as amended agreed to) Mover, Hon. Millie Odhiambo. Clause 6

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill (National Assembly Bill No.21 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request Hon. Beatrice Adagala to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.35 of 2023) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Komingoi to second.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also request Hon. Sigei to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill (National Assembly Bill No.21 of

Hon. Chairperson, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Water (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.33 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said Report. I request Hon. Beatrice Kemei to second the Motion of agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Water (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.33 of 2023) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo, who has just walked in, to second.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Leader of the Majority Party, what is out of order? Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. There is nothing that is out of order. This is to note that other than the Member for Muhoroni, the Member for Nyando, and Hon. Wangwe -...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: The Treasury Memorandum on action plans to revive and commercialise State-owned sugar companies from the National Treasury and Economic Planning. Hon. Speaker, it is important to elaborate further what this Paper is all about. The National Treasury is...

Thank you Hon. Speaker. Indeed, I was reading the memo here and what Hon. Jared Okello has said is true. That, for the Financial Year 2024/2025 they have been allocated Ksh42 million and the subsequent financial year, Ksh44 million, which is way below the amounts received in 2022/2023. Therefore, I...

Hon. Speaker, I thank Hon. Dorice Donya for raising that issue. I also got word of the attack on the Member for Kirinyaga County by some people in Kirinyaga. I got in touch with the Office of the Clerk just before the House Business Committee met. He instructed the Serjeant-at-Arms...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to reply but before I do that— with your indulgence— allow me to donate three minutes to the Hon. T J Kajwang’. I also take this opportunity to plead with all of us as Members of Parliament, including the Leader of the Minority Party,...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I know many Members who were not there on Thursday want me to donate a minute to them. If I do so, I will give away all my time for reply. I ask them to allow me to reply. Many Members spoke in support of this...

Hon. Speaker. I am not a Member of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, but Hon. TJ is. He was present in the Committee when this consent was tabled before the Committee. The Chairperson of that Committee can confirm. Therefore, Hon. TJ, if you want me to table...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. People are becoming increasingly creative in this House. Now they are donating points of order. I know that Hon. Chepkonga was eager to hear from Hon. Murugara. Nevertheless, I have consulted Hon. Murugara about this. As diligent legislators, we need to sit through meetings, including Committee...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Climate Change (Amendment Bill) National Assembly Bill No.42 of 2023 be now read a Second Time. Climate change is here with us. Many of us used to read about climate change and climate control. We used to watch feature stories about this...

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Deputy Speaker, I appreciate that Hon. Nyikal has finished contributing, but I am surprised that he has opposed a Bill he has not even read. What a fallacy! He is...

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. What is your point of order, Leader of Majority? Hon. Deputy Speaker, the Member for Mbeere North is completely out of order. He cannot question the existence of this Bill on the basis of him and another Member having brought a Bill...

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. What is your point of order, Leader of Majority? Hon. Deputy Speaker, the Member for Mbeere North did not listen to me. I asked him if, in line with our Standing Orders, he has any pecuniary interest. He has confirmed that, indeed,...

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, first, I want to ask the Member for Mbeere North to relax. He is my friend and it is in his own best interest to conform with our Standing Orders. Allow me to read for him. He did not listen to you. Standing Order 90 says: “...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank all Members who have contributed to this Bill and for their support. As I said, I hope we will all be keen to take maximum advantage of the carbon credits market and derive value for our constituents. Also, in line with the Paris...

Thank you for your indulgence. I was in Kiambu County with H.E. the President, and I was listening as I was driving from Kiambu. It is, indeed, extremely sad that such good ambassadors of our country can leave 17th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 10 the country without due recognition...

Hon. Speaker, I heard the President the other day saying that there are people serving in the Government who he knows more about their departments and agencies in their ministries than they do. Let them know that notice has been served by none other than the President, and we shall...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me begin by thanking the Hon. Chairman…

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I guess Hon. Kaluma wanted to welcome students from his school in Homa Bay, the one from Igembe, and the other school from Tarbaj in Wajir County. I also take this opportunity to welcome them to the National Assembly. I rise to second this Bill....

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Sikujua kupigwa ngwala ni nini. (Laughter) 17th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29 National Planning, who are working on a report on Telkom, of this fact. We need that report tabled in this House so that we get to know how people looted a whooping...

Sorry, Hon. Speaker. I have been consulting the Member for Bomet East and asking whether he is Mulumulwasi that was at one time referred to. (Laughter) 16th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 10 actual and proper public participation of NG-CDF projects so that you also offer meaningful oversight.Therefore, Hon. Speaker,...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I spoke about it and forgot I was not to move the Motion. I was only giving notice. You gave notice of Motion. I had actually jumped the gun to tomorrow afternoon. I will allocate you time tomorrow. I will also ensure that the Leader of...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me thank Hon. Jane Kagiri for raising that constitutional matter. From the face of it, it is clear that this Bill will go contrary to the provisions of Article 45 of the Constitution. The other issue that I would have, and probably this may not...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: AWARE THAT Article 1 (1) of the Constitution provides that all sovereign power belongs to the people of Kenya and shall be exercised only in accordance with the Constitution; FURTHER AWARE that Article 1 (2) of the Constitution provides that the...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Unlike other times, this is one of the Motions that none has opposed of all the people who have spoken. I commend the House for the support. That tells you that the country was yearning for this moment. Inform Hon. Wanjala that.(Laughter) Hon. Wanjala may have...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As you have said, the Petition is well in the House and the petitioner, Mr Ndolo, is well within his rights. But Hon. Speaker, as you read the Petition, I noticed that Hon. Njeri Maina was actually on TikTok. (Laughter) Is that correct? Go on. Hon....

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: 15th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 10 pray that the Almighty God may rest the soul of Mr. Chepkwony in eternal peace, as we continue to pray for the family and people of Njoro who have lost a...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Before I give notice, you know you quickly dismissed that point of order by Hon. Sunkuli. I was going to object to that point of order on the basis that he has used the word “more”. He said that the Hon. Tonkei looks more beautiful in...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I, therefore, beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, aware that Article 1 (1) of the Constitution provides that all sovereign power belongs to the people of Kenya and shall be exercised only in accordance with the Constitution; further aware that Article 1 (2)...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move that The Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill (National Assembly Bill No.21 of 2023) Bill be now read a Second Time. Let me first take this opportunity to thank the Departmental Committees on Health and Agriculture ably represented by their Chairpersons,...

On a Point of Order. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, what is out of order? There is nothing out of order Hon. Temporary Speaker. Maybe just a point of information to the Hon. Caroli Omondi. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) :...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As you have rightly said, Hon. John Mukunji, Member of Parliament for Manyatta, sought a statement from the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration and Cabinet Secretary for Information, Communication and Digital Economy on why Worldcoin was collecting data from Kenyan citizens by way of...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I am laughing because there are Members who are asking me to donate a minute to them. I do not know whether they will now respond to the issues on my behalf. It is, indeed, true that this matter was of grave concern to Kenyans and...

Hon. Speaker, I stand well informed by Hon. Irene Mayaka. However, Hon. Irene Mayaka must understand being an old Member of 3rd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 22 this House when we had the Committee of ICT, I am still in that old regime. Now it is the Departmental Committee...

Yes.

Most obliged.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. To begin with, let me commit that I will endevour to get a Statement from the two cabinet secretaries concerned because as has been indicated, I also read on social media what seemed like conflicting statements from the two cabinet secretaries and, therefore, we need a...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I was engaging with Hon. Pukose and that almost slipped through. Indeed, 90 days is a very long time. Maybe, we can allow them 45 days maximum for them to engage all the stakeholders. Ninety days will take us to the next Session, which is next...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Leader of the Majority Party. Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for your indulgence. I commend Hon. Chepkonga for seeking this extension. I would just like to caution Members because Hon. Chepkonga is aware that certain aspects of the second item, which is the...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I have nothing to add to what you and the Leader of the Minority Party have said. Other than the Member for Baringo Central, Hon. Kandie, who is a Member of that Committee and is here, the Chairperson, Hon. Nimrod Mbai, is not here. I am...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Speaker. I am sorry to raise this now. You noticed when you were up on your feet, there were Members who were standing and canvassing very loudly. I also noticed that last week. We are now making the National Assembly look like a village market place. Not even a...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Let me begin by thanking Hon. Shakeel Shabbir for tabling this Report and ably moving it for adoption. As the Leader of the Minority Party has noted, Hon. Shakeel has been leading APNAC and GOPAC for a very long time. When I asked him who...