ICHUNG’WAH ANTONY KIMANI

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me first thank Bwana Muchere whom I know well. He has been an internal auditor at the National Treasury. He has been a very spirited public advocate for good governance and the fight against graft in this country. Hon. Speaker, you have already committed that...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me first thank Hon. Chepkonga for withdrawing that remark on ignorance. For all I know, the Leader of the Minority Party is not ignorant. He is, indeed, doing very well. He has caught up on what the Leader of the Minority Party should be doing....

Yes, Dr Margaret. Hon. Speaker, you can hear I am not privy to the name like the Members in the Minority Party. The spirited attempt to defend her by the Leader of the Minority Party is what I saw yesterday in certain political quota. I urge all of us to...

Alice Ng’ang’a. She is not.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House resolves to exempt the business appearing as Order Nos.11, 12, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19 in today’s Order Paper from the provisions of Standing Order 40 (3) , being a Wednesday Morning, a day allocated for business...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 30 (3) (c) , this House resolves to hold a Morning Sitting on Thursday, 7th December 2023, commencing at 9.30 a.m. for purposes of considering priority business ahead of the December recess....

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 120, this House resolves to reduce the publication period of the National Government Administration Laws (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.73 of 2023) from fourteen (14) days to twelve (12) days. We,...

Hon. Speaker, we had indeed reported. I am just moving for the Third Reading. 6th December 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 18 NATIONAL LOTTERY BILL Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the National Lottery Bill (National Assembly Bill No.69 of 2023) be now read a Third Time. I request Member...

I was not certain whether the Chairperson moved the other amendment as per the Order Paper. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : He moved it is as per the Order Paper with a further amendment. Okay. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : Okay. (Question, that words to be...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the Gambling Control Bill (National Assembly Bill No.70 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai)...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request Hon. Caroli Omondi to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Gambling Control Bill (National Assembly Bill No.70 of 2023) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Catherine Omanyo to second.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I seek your indulgence under Standing Order 53 that for obvious reasons, we defer the last bit of the Third Reading to the afternoon sitting.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) (No.2) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.68 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. The Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) (No.2) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.68 of 2023) seeks to amend various statutes like the Oaths and Statutory...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to begin by thanking the Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Wandayi, for raising… (Loud consultations)(Laughter)(Applause) 5th December 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11 is their right under our Constitution. Therefore, I cannot agree more with the Leader of the Minority Party that the...

Actually, we would not have cared whether there was the NG-CDF or not if the Treasury had made sure that the bursary money was with the people we represent. It is our work to resolve issues that are of concern to the people of Kenya whom we represent. Therefore, what...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, if Members will allow me to finish, as you have indicated, this matter is not contested by anybody, including the Leader of the Majority Party. That is why I took the liberty even before the matter was raised before this House… You have all forgotten that, first...

When it comes to an issue…

For me, when it comes to an issue of conflict between the interest of a Cabinet Secretary, a Principal Secretary, a Chair of a Board, or the NG-CDF CEO and the people of Kikuyu, the people of Kikuyu will take precedence over anyone else. That is why I am pleading...

Listen! As the Leader of the Minority Party said – without anticipating debate – Members should take note that the House Business Committee had slotted in a Morning Sitting on Thursday. I indicated to the Cabinet Secretary that this House cannot proceed for the long recess on Thursday without clarity...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. With your indulgence, I beg to withdraw the Procedural Motion because of the wording. I shall consult with the House Business Committee. (Loud consultations) Hon. Deputy Speaker, with your indulgence, I beg to withdraw Order No. 8, which is a Procedural Motion to a later...

Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what is hardship and what is...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to propose a further amendment to sub-clause (4) which talks of “based on satisfactory performance” immediately after the words “one further term of three years”. This makes the law very subjective. How do you tell what is satisfactory performance? If you read the Bill, it...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, first I want to propose a further amendment on Clause 20 (b) by deleting the last words, “by the Ministry responsible for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management” to read: “by the National Government”. The sentence will read thus: “on the basis of a clear outcome-based framework...

On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Would you like to be informed by the Leader of the Majority Party?

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Temporary Chairlady, since the Chairman does not want to be informed, let me educate him. We are amending the Bill and not...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to move a further amendment. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by adding the words “and the conduct of the National Lottery” immediately after the word “gambling” appearing in paragraph (b) . This...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I object. You know, we are legislating and law is legalese. The lawyers in the Committee should have explained to the Members what is mutatis mutandis. I was actually going to google. Any layman like myself can google what mutatis mutandis means. It means, with necessary modifications....

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have been convinced by the Hon. Chairman that mutatis mutandis is not in place but ‘with necessary modifications’ can work. Let me support the Hon. Chairman. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you. Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I particularly support the deletion of sub-clause (3) , which was exempting the prize monies paid under this Act from Income Tax. In fact, my view was that this would have been a very unconstitutional provision in the Bill. Therefore, I support. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr)...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want the Chairperson to take us slowly. I got the first bit. Can he take us sub-clause by sub-clause? He is reading his justification in a very jumbled up manner. His justification on the first clause is clear. I need clarification for Clause 44 (1) (m)...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I persuade the Chairperson to drop the last sub-clause that says: “ (3) The Board shall, while proposing and determining the allocation, set the criteria and conditions for accessing the Fund, ensure equitable distribution across the country including allocations to state and non-state actors.” The import of...

I am laughing because the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education has now taken over the work of the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture. He is dropping an amendment without the owner dropping it. He should be persuading the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on...

We pushed the Chair to move Clause 2 when he was still perusing his papers. So, he has not given us any justification. Before we decide, it is only fair that we hear the justification. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Chairman, this is the one concerning the...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have heard the justification. Clause 2 defines the term “Cabinet Secretary” as the Cabinet Secretary for the time being responsible for matters related to national lotteries. The Chairperson has just said that the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration will be best placed to put...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the National Lottery Bill (National Assembly Bill No.69 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE NATIONAL LOTTERY...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request the Member for Kabete, who is the Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture, Hon. Githua Wamacukuru, to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of...

(Technical hitch)Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me to take this opportunity to thank Members of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture and all Members who have sat… Thank you. I thank Members who have sat throughout the Committee of the whole House. This is where actual legislation is done. I...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am very proud to represent the good people of Kikuyu even as we serve the rest of the country. I rise to support this Motion on the National Tax Policy. This National Tax Policy is one of the measures that the Kenya Kwanza Government...

He normally sits here. Today is one of those bad days. The Chairman of the Public Petitions Committee is very diligent. He is always here. I see him there all the time. Can you direct him to bring the response to the Petition by Chiforomodo before we recess? I will...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Gambling Control Bill (National Assembly Bill No.70 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. This Bill is related to the National Lottery Bill, 2023, which went through its Second Reading in today’s Morning Sitting. This Bill will help us to control...

THAT, Clause 11 of the Bill be amended— THAT, Clause 12 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new subclause immediately after subclause (2) — THAT, Clause 13 of the Bill be amended in subclause (1) to delete the words “by the person” appearing immediately after the words...

I was actually lost but I have been guided by the Chairperson. Just to clarify, for Hon. Mwenje’s interest, Clause 19 (1) indicates that a public officer shall not be a party to or beneficiary of contract for the supply of goods, works or services with any reporting entity. We...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to beg Members, including Hon. Kaluma, to listen to me. He has not been listening to what Hon. Mutuse has been telling him. First, there was an earlier amendment to Clause 25 to delete the entire Clause, which was defeated. The proposal by the Chair...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have listened to the amendment by the Hon. Chairman on behalf of the Committee. He is leaving dependent children and removing the spouse, and I am just wondering whether your spouse is part of you, or they are construed to be part of your assets or...

Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. That is what I wanted to clarify. The responsible commission, other than everybody reporting to EACC. Parliamentarians will deposit theirs with the Parliamentary Service Commission, and those in the Judiciary will deposit theirs with the Judicial Service Commission. This is to avoid creating a behemoth of...

I confirm that we agreed with the Chairman that we carry his amendment. This is one of the issues that were of great concern to almost everybody during the Second Reading. We cannot export our public duty to our families including our great-grandchildren, grandmothers, aunties, and cousins who have absolutely...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House do report its consideration of the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 74 IN THE HOUSE [The...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Owen Baya to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House. I do not know if this is the point when...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, just for the record, the re-committal of Clause 48 is because there cannot be concurrent investigations being conducted by reporting authorities and the EACC. For instance, a judge who is being investigated by the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) as the reporting authority cannot concurrently be investigated by...

I have already justified. I do not know why the Clerk wants me to say it again. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : I will put the Question. 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 76 be added, put and agreed to) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Mukunji to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Yes, Hon. Speaker. I have a Statement that I wish to read. First, allow me to thank you for leading the Kenyan delegation to the 16th Meeting of the Bureau of Speakers of the East African Community (EAC) and the East African Legislative Assembly (EALA) held on 16th November 2023...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me first thank Senior Counsel, Hon. Otiende Amollo, for those issues and, indeed, confirm that Hon. Otiende Amollo wrote a very detailed letter with all those 13 or 14 issues. He copied my Office, and I remember Hon. Speaker discussing the same with you and...

Hon. Speaker, I mentioned that the Hon. Murugara, the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, is not in the House. To hear one of his Members, the Hon. Junet Mohamed, who from the records never 28th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 18 attends committee meetings, claim...

THAT, the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House be amended by inserting the following words at the end: “subject to re-committal of Clause 8.” I request Hon. Samwel Chepkonga to second.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me also commend you for that very well-reasoned ruling. You have touched on other very critical issues like Members who carry firearms. Indeed, it is worrying if any Member would even fathom walking into the Chamber with a firearm. At times tempers flare up here,...

Hon. Speaker, I will not name them. However, should the same be repeated, I will relay the names to your office so that you can also act. If the same happens again, let me just say it loud and clear that I will name you on the Floor of the...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also ask Hon. Musa Sirma to second.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, protect Hon. Toroitich from the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, who is telling him to stand for Division alone. (Laughter) 28th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42 overburden the physical framework that we have and the commitments the Government has made.With that, Hon. Deputy Speaker, I...

I beg to move that the National Lottery Bill (National Assembly Bill No.69 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. Allow me to thank the Chairman who is Hon. Dan Wanyama, the Vice-Chairman, who is Hon. Githua Wamacukuru, all the Members of the Departmental Committee on Sports Committee, including...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I know that Hon. Caroli Omondi is a very diligent Member of the Committee. He was among the people I had spoken to in Mlolongo to make sure they put that. I am certain he wants to inform me that they have already made that proposal. I...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

I will fire them! (Laughter)

Hon. Temporary Speaker, there are a number of Questions in respect of which we deferred the appearance of Cabinet Secretaries this week and next week. I beg the Member’s indulgence to prepare a written Statement to be sent to the Committee. Because of many pending Government Bills, we will not...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I know Hon. Bowen Kangogo’s son was sitting for his KCPE and he has done extremely well. Congratulations to the young Kangogo for the exemplary performance in his KCPE. That is 23rd November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 10 why you see Hon. Kangogo is very...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, Hon. Kangogo and Hon. Sunkuyia are being very bad examples to younger Members. They have been here long enough to know that these microphones pick up everything they converse in vernacular behind the person speaking. It is only fair that when someone is up on his feet...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. In fact, the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee has already made the point I wanted to make regarding what the Member for Nyando was saying. There is nothing untoward we are doing in rejecting all these amendments. The next natural cause of action...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Public Debt and Privatization Committee’s Report. I particularly thank the Chair, Hon. Shurie, and his able Vice-Chair, Hon. Makali Mulu, who when I last passed through “Kitui City,” I heard he is a prospective Governor in Kitui County. I want...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, there is a point of order. I truly hope that the person seeking the point of order can indicate the Standing Order she is rising on. (Laughter)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I did not know Hon. Dorice Donya is a journalist. She knows that I have tremendous respect for journalists, but I meant that particular radio presenter is financially illiterate. It is a fact. I know him because he is from my village and when I...

No, it is on. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Probably it is time the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) considered an upgrade of this system. That is why it keeps going off. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House:

Hon. Deputy Speaker, this is the usual Thursday Statement. Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee (HBC) which met on Tuesday, 14th November 2023 to prioritise the business for...

THAT, the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me to, first, thank the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, Hon. Murugara, and all the other 14 Members of the Committee who took...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. First, without exception, allow me to thank all the Members who have contributed. Particularly, I note the very vehement support this Bill has from many Members. That tells you that all Members are intent on being in the forefront of the fight against corruption. Many...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to second. As indicated by the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, this is to allow us to consider the Committee of Supply. As I had indicated earlier, the Committee of Supply is the Committee of the whole House during the budget-making process, where we...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Sharing of resources is always very emotional. You must understand it. We are all here 16th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 72 representing constituencies which have unique needs. We all deserve national resources like everyone else.That is what informed the Equalisation Fund that Hon. Junet...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance. I also thank my younger brother, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, the Vice-Chairperson, Hon. Mary Emaase who is here, and all the Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, with the notable presence of Hon....

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 24 (6) , the thanks of this House be recorded for the exposition of public policy contained in the Address of His Excellency the President delivered in Parliament on Thursday, 9th November 2023,...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I came running from the office. So, if I pant, it is because I came running. You know I am a stickler to the rules and procedures of the House. I was listening as Hon. Ken Chonga made his contribution. He was challenged through a...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I appreciate the responses given by the Chair of our Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture, Hon. Daniel Wanyama. This is a case study of why Cabinet Secretaries (CSs) should be the ones to answer Questions. (Applause)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: (Loud consultations)

I was made to understand that Hon. Naomi Waqo will move on behalf of the Chairperson and Hon. Caroli will second because they are both Members of that committee.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We canvassed this matter in the House Business Committee (HBC) . This morning, it was an agenda in our Parliamentary Group meeting, on the commitment of our Chairpersons and Vice-Chairpersons. As you have rightly said, if the Chairperson is not there, there is no reason why...

Thank you Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion on the inspection of various one-stop border posts in the Northern Corridor in the East African region. Let me first commend the Chairlady, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, and Members of the Select Committee on Regional Integration. As the Chairlady said,...