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Sen. SakajaFirst of all, in the report that we have just passed as a House on the Division of Revenue Bill, the Mediation Committee proposed that a joint ad hoc committee be formed to look into the issues which came up during mediation. This was accepted by the entire House.Secondly,...

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Sen. Sakaja Very well. The distinguished Senator of Bungoma County for a very long time has been seized of this matter for historical reasons. Proceed, Sen. Wetangula.

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Sen. Sakaja It is too late! September 18, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 33 Sen. Sakaja The second issue that we need for clarity because Members of this House are respected; this House commands a lot of respect across the country. When we summon Members of the national or county governments, they...

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is an important Bill to the extent that tourism, under the Fourth Schedule, is a shared function. It is both at the national and county levels. We start from a point of lamentation; that in this country, for the last over...

When is that sitting supposed to take place? Sen. Sakaja We have invited them and are yet to get their response.

So, you asked the Cabinet Secretary and the other officials to suggest dates? Sen. Sakaja Yes. We normally agree on a date with them because of the nature of their office. They are not always in Nairobi. We have found a rhythm on how they agree on dates. Within the...

Fair enough. I direct that the matter, alongside other pending issues on national security, be expedited and dispensed with within one month from today. That is so ordered. INSECURITY CAUSED BY CAMEL HERDERS IN TERI B, TAITA-TAVETA COUNTY

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, previously, I raised issues concerning insecurity brought by camel herders. I want to say one thing concerning the same, so that I am on record. I thank the distinguished Senator for Nairobi City County for visiting the people of Teri B after they petitioned the Senate....

It is so ordered. Sen. Mwaura--- (Words spoken expunged by the order of the Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Thank you, Sen. Sakaja. I direct accordingly that the portion of the altercation between the two distinguished Senators be expunged from the record of this House. It is so ordered and that is the end of that matter. Next Order. Let us go to Order No. 12. September 18, 2019...

Sen. (Dr.) Zani, I hope that you know we have about 15 minutes. However, if you think you can move that quickly---

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I intend to move very quickly, so that I can get seconded and open it up for debate. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that The County Tourism Bill (Senate Bills No.5 of 2019) be now read a Second Time. As we...

without delving into the specificities of counties and what the counties can offer. The possibilities that would come from the counties as sources of income would in a way provide another avenue for own-source revenue which can be exploited.This Bill specifically seeks to come up with a methodology that is...

You have less than 10 minutes.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, just to indicate two aspects. One has to do with the County Executive Committee (CEC) Member for Tourism in each county, who has been given a lot of responsibilities. One of them is to identify, register and license these sites. The CEC is also required to...

Very well. Thank you. Sen. Sen. Seneta, I hope you are aware about the time constraints. Please, proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. September 18, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 54

Very well. For the record, the exit of the distinguished Sen. Mwaura and the distinguished Sen. Omanga is for the remainder of today’s Sitting only. (Question proposed) Sen. Wetangula, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is an important Bill to the extent that tourism, under the Fourth Schedule, is a shared function. It is both at the national and county levels. We start from a point of lamentation; that in this country, for the last over 50 years,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in Spain, during their archaic days of the dictatorship of General Franco, the fascist of the last vestiges of fascism in human history, it was still receiving 53 million tourists a year. Where did we take the wrong turn? When you look at the amount of...

Order, Sen. Wetangula! When this matter resumes, you will have a balance of 12 minutes to tell us more about the death of Mombasa and the drinking ambassador of a certain county. ADJOURNMENT

30 p.m., time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 19th September, 2019, at 2.30 p.m. in this very Chamber. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m. September 18, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 56

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, I did not want to interrupt Sen. (Dr.) Musuruve, but I have heard her saying “lastly.” When she said lastly, I felt hurt and dismayed that she had thanked the Committee on Education but forgot her own Committee on Labour and Social Welfare which has...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, Sen. (Dr.) Musuruve continues to distinguish herself as the true and foremost champion for Persons Living with Disabilities (PWDs) . For the short time that I have been in Parliament – this is my second term – I have not seen a Member representing the...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to assure the Senator for Kirinyaga County that the Committee on Security, Defence and Foreign Relations has a very able Chairperson, Sen. Haji and a distinguished nephew of Sen. Wetangula as the Vice Chairperson. Therefore, he should not be worried but in case...

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Let us consult in low tones. We are making a very important statement to the whole nation. Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, that must be underscored. Kenyans must listen to that. The national Government must understand that there is no county government that wants money from the national Government. The...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Listening to my distinguished learned colleague, the Senate Majority Leader, speaking, it reminded me of Idi Amin when he was asked why he liked blowing his own trumpet and he said “the trumpet is mine, nobody else can blow it.” Last week was a day...

Sen. Sakaja Is Sen. Olekina is order to mislead this House that he does not believe in that figure, when even before this House held a Kamukunji, he tweeted and said, “We have conceded to Kshs316.5 billion. We live to fight another day”?

Sen. Sakaja Just a minute, Sen. Sakaja.

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Sen. Sakaja Sen. Ochillo-Ayacko, you have an intervention. September 11, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 32 Sen. Sakaja school; and there are people with mortgages and loans. We do not want to act brave, say that we are the strongest people and act with so much bravado, yet the common person is...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

There is a point of order from Sen. M. Kajwang’.

Madam Temporary Speaker, you will guide us on whether it is in order for the Senator of Nairobi to attempt to insinuate that those of us who have spoken fairly strongly against this process wanted a shutdown of counties. In my comments, all that we are saying is that we...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.

What is it, Sen. Ochillo-Ayako?

Madam Temporary Speaker, you heard Sen. Sakaja casting aspersions on Members of the Senate and the National Assembly for earning salaries. He gave an impression that it was wrong for us to earn salaries – which is our constitutional and industrial entitlement – when devolved units were not getting their...

Sen. SakajaThank you, Madam Temporary Speaker.

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you Madam Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion:- THAT, AWARE of the numerous benefits that trees play in environmental conservation, combating climate change, air and water purification, carbon sequestration, flood control, prevention of soil

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., kindly conclude.

Madam Temporary Speaker, in conclusion, this is a very untidy situation. Sen. Sakaja, Sen. Kibiru and I thought that you chose us because we have good brains, not because we know how to throw water or insults. Lastly, part of the problem we have - and Sen. Kajwang’ is here...

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Sen. SakajaMotion ought to have gone to the Implementation Committee, who then would update the House or track the implementation of the recommendations of this House.In this case, probably this matter will be forwarded to the Committee on Lands, Environment and Natural Resources, and the Chairperson was here. He seems...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, Sen. Shiyonga has brought a timely Statement. She has talked about specific areas, one of which is on Mombasa Road as well as other areas in Nairobi City County that I represent and also on Kakamega-Webuye Road. I hope the Committee will look at them....

Sen. SakajaMr. Speaker, Sir, It is not true that when it comes to population of counties---. If you read Article 188 of the Constitution, it is delimiting even changing boundaries for counties and population is a factor. Other factors are demographic trends and physical and human infrastructure. It is theoretically...

Sen. Sakaja What is your point of order?

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Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to give my sentiments on this issue of counties spending money without ceilings. Although Parliament can legitimately interfere, we have to put in place a balance between existing projects and think about how we can grant further into the new ceiling. My...

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. We keep on learning. Those of us who want progress, must be open to learning. Those of us who want to stay where we are, must be impervious to learning. So, I accept that important piece of information. As I was saying, Sen....

There is a point of order, from the Senator of Nairobi City County. Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, as we support this Motion, it is proper for us to know the proper terms to use. In this new regime of dealing with this sector, they are referred to as persons...

Sen. Sakaja There are no more requests. I, therefore, call upon the mover to reply. August 8, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 33 Sen. Sakaja much to ask for. In fact, this should be passed quickly, so that we continue to look at larger inventions.Human rights approach will tell you that a...

There are no more requests. I, therefore, call upon the mover to reply.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I beg to reply. Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank my fellow Senators for supporting this Motion. I thank Sen. Mwaura, Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka, Sen. Shiyonga, Sen. Ochillo-Ayacko and Sen. Sakaja. What has been emphasized by these Senators is that everyone...

are taking care of our vulnerable if we have to go far as a nation. Additionally, it has also been emphasized that PWDs commence school late and that they face challenges that affect them eventually in the job market. Consequently, they are not able to get into the job market...

Sen. SakajaMadam Temporary Speaker, allow me to go straight to the recommendations and I would urge Members, especially those who really believe in this movement of gender equality to go through this Report. The recommendations that we put forth for all the observations were the following - August 8, 2019...

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August 8, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 40 Sen. Sakaja Sen. (Dr.) Musuruve, I am giving you five minutes, because we still have the Motion of Adjournment to be processed.

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to welcome the students as well comment on the Petition if that is okay with you.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, first of all, I join you in welcoming the students from Uasin Gishu County as well as those who are here on the internship programme from Starehe Boys Centre. I want to encourage them because the world belongs to those who believe in the...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Sen. Poghisio should have invoked our Standing Orders that talk about gang ways and alley ways. The point I was making is this: I brought up this matter of expansion of Nairobi- Nakuru Highway Project which is affecting business people. We have...

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Sen. Sakaja Chairperson, Finance and Budget Committee. Sen. (Eng.) Mohamud, you may now proceed. August 7, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 22 Sen. Sakaja Where we are today, this country is looking for sobriety and wisdom. I think in all fairness at this point, because it is just the Second Reading of...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to second that the Bill be read a second time. This is a very interesting Bill. A few weeks ago when we were at the burial of the late Joe Kadenge, we wondered what would be the best way to honour such...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to second. (Question proposed) August 6, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 18

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, as the Senator for Nairobi City County, allow me to welcome to Nairobi the delegation from Estonia. Sen. Olekina has told us that it is a small country of 45,000 square kilometres. Its population is half the registered voters in Nairobi City County. However, it...

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I join you in welcoming the students from Kapngetuny Boys from my county of Uasin Gishu. I wish them well because next term is the exam term. I wish them all the best. I look forward to seeing good results from them. I...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee of the Whole on the said Report and ask Sen. (Dr.) Musuruve to second.

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Sen. Sakaja Order, Sen. (Dr.) Ali! You are supposed to make references to your moving notes. The reading of speeches is not allowed whether you are moving or debating a Motion. July 30, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 28 Sen. Sakaja I know Sen. (Dr.) Ali is a very experienced legislator, but...

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Ali! You are supposed to make references to your moving notes. The reading of speeches is not allowed whether you are moving or debating a Motion.

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I heard you say the Senator of Nairobi County. I would like to confirm that there it only one ‘super’ Senator. Sen. Omanga is well dressed because we are from a function at the biggest integrated school of Muslims and...

Sen. Sakajathat your sugar has mercury. At lunch time, your ugali has aflatoxin and the meat has sodium. If you go to the house, as a result of the building standards, it may collapse. A Kenyan cannot verify standards of all these things. You enter a vehicle and realise that...

Sen. Sakaja Order, Members! Every community has a way of dealing with their own witches. As the Senator for Migori County has said, they have a way of dealing with theirs. Let us leave it to them to manage them. Proceed. (Laughter)

Order, Members! Every community has a way of dealing with their own witches. As the Senator for Migori County has said, they have a way of dealing with theirs. Let us leave it to them to manage them. Proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I sympathise with my neighbour. In Homa Bay County, they have an association of witches. July 25, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 14 (Laughter)

Sen. M. Kajwang', what is your point of intervention?

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. For all I know, in Homa Bay County, we do not have an association of witches. We might have an association of night runners. Night running is a sport and not witchcraft. Could the Senator for Migori County withdraw those insinuations that...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, in my community, there is no distinction between night runners and witches. In fact, night runners are night witches. I sympathise with my colleague who is defending witches. However, I am more concerned with the witches who poison people through food.

On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is your intervention Sen. Shiyonga?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the two Senators are talking of the same thing. Witches and night runners are people who are in action and they need to be applauded.

What is your point of order? That must have been on a light note. Proceed, Sen. Ochillo-Ayacko.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am not advocating for extrajudicial killing, but I want the Committee concerned to know that these people are killing Kenyans. I want them to come up with recommendations that will legally exterminate these people so as to prevent them from poisoning Kenyans for the...

Asante Bw. Spika. Tangu nchi hii ipate uhuru mpaka sasa, hatuja wahi kuwa na aibu kubwa kama hili jambo la wakenya kula nyama iliyo dungwa dawa. Maduka ambayo yana patikana na hatia ya kuuza nyama mbovu ni lazima yafungwe mara moja. Veterinary inspectors wana takikana wafanye kazi yao vizuri. Tunajua...

On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order Sen. Omanga?

Sen. Sakajacounties to use and whether they can adapt theirs and if not, what basic standards can cut across. With that, Kakamega and Wajir counties can develop their own that patches on to it.Finally, there must be a standard on the amount of money being taken as a commission by...

In the interest for the time we have for Statements, those who will speak now will have three minutes.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This is a very important Statement from Sen. Dullo. This issue of IFMIS is giving us a nightmare everywhere. In some counties, you are told that you are given 10 minutes at midnight. I do not know why they want people to become nocturnal animals...

Hon. Senators, I have a Communication to make. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM GREAT AGAPE PRIMARY SCHOOL, NAROK COUNTY July 25, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 20

In our usual tradition of receiving and welcoming visitors to Parliament, I extend a warm welcome to them. On behalf of the Senate and my own behalf, I welcome and wish them a fruitful visit.I thank you. Sen. Olekina, you can welcome the student and proceed to make your remarks...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, from the onset, I welcome the students from Narok County. While they are here, they should think about tomorrow. I would like to encourage the students to conserve the environment. I will give them my phone number so that when they plant trees at their school, they...

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Sen. Sakaja Asante, Bw. Spika, kwa kunipa nafasi hii. Kiswahili kimeleta shida. Ninamkosoa ndugu yangu kutoka Homa Bay. Sisi tunajua Katiba ya Kenya imetafsiriwa. Niko na Katiba ambayo imeandikwa kwa lugha ya Kiswahili. Nimemuona Kamishna wa Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) , Beth Mugo hapa. Inafaa kutuekea bajeti ili Katiba ambazo...

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Sen. Sakaja(Proposed amendment to Clause 17 by Sen. Farhiya dropped) Clause 18The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Pareno): Proceed, Mover, Sen. Sakaja. Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move– THAT, Clause 18 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new subclause immediately after subclause (4) — (4a) The...

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Sen. Sakaja We now go back to Order No.7 which is Statements under part two under Standing Order No. 51 (1) P to be given by the Chairperson Standing Committee on Energy, Roads and transportation. (Resumption of Statements) Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Chairperson, Sen. Farhiya also has an amendment to...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to withdraw my amendment Clause 24 (a) because it is similar to the amendment by the Committee. (Proposed amendment by Sen. Farhiya withdrawn) Madam Temporary Chairperson, I also beg to move- THAT, Clause 24 of the Bill be amended -

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Sen. SakajaRoads Bill came. We had hoped that this Bill was going to sort out all these inconsistencies and anxieties that had been there in the roads sector.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, if The Kenya Roads Bill discussions around mediation have collapsed, what directions should counties take? Should they go back...

Sen. Sakaja What is it, Sen. Farhiya? Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I was a bit disturbed by the comment made by Chair of the CPAIC, that Sen. Cherargei is behaving like an old woman. What is wrong with an old woman who has aged gracefully? Let us not...

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