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Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, as the Senator for Nairobi City County, allow me to welcome the students from Bungoma DEB Primary School to Nairobi City County. These students are very fortunate because Bungoma is over represented in this House by Senator number one who is hon. Lusaka and by...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate, today, Wednesday, 24th July, 2019: - Report on the County Governments Retirement Scheme Bill (National Assembly REPORTS ON FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF VARIOUS COUNTY AGENCIES/FUNDS

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this important Statement. We can all see that Sen. Sakaja did research about the rate at which the lions are decreasing in number. That is worrying. It is important that the Committee that will address...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this important Statement. We can all see that Sen. Sakaja did research about the rate at which the lions are decreasing in number. That is worrying. It is important that the Committee that will address this particular...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank Sen. (Dr.) Milgo for the Statement she sought. I am sure that before she brought this Statement, she did enough research. That is why when I rose, there was no need to be defensive about hunting that is going on in this country. You may...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to congratulate Sen. (Dr.) Milgo for seeking this Statement. I would like to say that this is a House of reason and we must see the grandeur of this country that God left for us. The wild animals are important to this country and there...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have to interrupt my Chairperson, who is my good friend. Would I be in order to ask him to inform the House positively because he should declare his interest? He is a conserver of lions because he keeps a few. It...

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. First of all, allow me to congratulate my namesake; Boris Johnson, for being elected the British Prime Minister in July 23, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 8 Sen. Sakajathe Conservative Party. He was challenged today with 92,000 votes where Jeremy Hunt got around 46,000...

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Sen. Sakaja Bw. Naibu Spika, hawa hawakupata nafasi hii kwa urahisi. Walifanya bidii wakiwa watoto kama nyinyi katika sehemu za ufugaji. Kwa hivyo, nyinyi mnaweza kuwa kama wao.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for saving me from that situation. I will not speak Swahili, but will speak English as usual. I stand to support this Statement and I appreciate my colleague, the Senator of Mombasa for bringing it here. It is true that we are...

Sen. Sakaja That is an important matter. It is very important because it amounts to taking the headquarters of a major devolved function outside the main area where the concerned source is found. I would, therefore, exercise the discretion under Standing Order No.47 (iii) and direct the Standing Committee on...

So, what is your point of order? July 23, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 25 Sen. Sakaja Bw. Naibu Spika ningeomba kwamba uamrishe tufupishe ama twende---

Order! That is what I am doing. Sen. Sakaja, you are out of order. Sen. Shiyonga, briefly.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for saving me from that situation. I will not speak Swahili, but will speak English as usual. I stand to support this Statement and I appreciate my colleague, the Senator of Mombasa for bringing it here. It is true that we are a devolved...

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. Mimi ninataka kusimama kwa muda mfupi sana kuunga mkono taarifa hii ambayo imeletwa na Sen. Faki. Tumezungumzia hili jambo kwa muda mrefu. Ninataka kutoa changamoto moja kama viongozi wengi kila mahali wamesema si haki kujenga ofisi hii hapa Nairobi ilhali inaweza kujengwa Pwani. Ni muhimu kama...

That is an important matter. It is very important because it amounts to taking the headquarters of a major devolved function outside the main area where the concerned source is found. I would, therefore, exercise the discretion under Standing Order No.47 (iii) and direct the Standing Committee on Livestock, Agriculture...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.48 (i) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Roads and Transportation concerning increased cases of road traffic accidents involving motorcycles on Kenyan roads in general, particularly along the Webuye-Eldoret highway where on...

Sen. Sakaja Hon. Senator, you are now debating. We have heard your additional observations. Hon. Senators, I direct as follows. The concerned Committee should be seized of the matter. The Committee on Roads and Transportation to apply Standing Order No.48 (3) (b) , which gives the Committee discretion to invite...

Thank you very much, Sen. Sakaja. Sen. (Dr.) Milgo one minute.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also rise to support the Statement because we have issues with boda boda operators and that is a challenge. However, they provide employment to our youth who do not have jobs. It is one mode of transport that is cheap and people can access different...

motorbike and start driving carrying more than the required number of passengers. That is a challenge.

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Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is extremely irresponsible for the Senator for Uasin Gishu County to claim, on the Floor of this House, that there was any session I was not comfortable leading the Delegation to the Commission for the Status of Women (CSW)...

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This is a House of record. If the Senator is unable to substantiate according to our Standing Orders, she needs to withdraw and apologise for that insinuation. There is no session where I was uncomfortable. In fact, I attended all...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am surprised that my distinguished uncle, who has been in this House since I was in Standard Two, does not know our Standing Orders. (Laughter)

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker Sir, you have made a ruling. However, we must respect each other in this House. There could be the former Senator, but there is only one Senator for Nairobi. We all know that the former Senator never led any delegation anywhere. We are a House of...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, this should not be taken lightly. If I stand up and say, “I am reliably informed that a specific Senator is a thief;” that is imputing improper motives. That is as clear as day and night. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I know that you want to...

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Sen. Sakaja I would like to hear from the Chairperson of the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. July 16, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 12

I would like to hear from the Chairperson of the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I support this Statement. I know there are many implications on issues of betting and gambling when it comes to people who are addicted and the youth being involved. As a Senate, we must have a legal framework, so that we do not have arbitrary influence...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also stand in support of the spirit of the Statement by Sen. Malalah. I am talking about the spirit because there are aspects of the Statement that I entirely do not agree with. I support that a Cabinet Secretary cannot just wake up one morning...

Sen. Wambua, you should know that you are not doing well. Do not do that next time.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I wish the Senator for Nairobi City County, the distinguished nephew of---

Sen. SakajaOrder, Sen. Malalah! Order, (Loud consultations)

Order, Sen. Malalah! Order, Sen. Sakaja What is the point, Chairman? July 16, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 16

What is the point, Chairman? Sen. Sakaja The point is misdirection, and we will also follow it up.

What is misdirected? Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Standing Order No.211 is clear about the mandates of each committee.

Therefore, what do you say about that against the Statement? Sen. Sakaja The first Statement was directed to the wrong Committee. Similarly, this Statement is being sought from the Committee of National Security and Foreign Relations, yet it is a matter of planning. Planning does not fall under security; it...

I do not think so. Sen. Sakaja What happens if both of us bring a different report, yet the Standing Orders have clearly given one Committee that specific mandate? Whenever there is an overlap of mandates, ideally you would either do a Joint Committee, or if the Committee needs any...

It is noted, Sen. Sakaja. In the meantime, on the point you have raised about this Statement, it is true that this is about national planning and the census. Is it not? Sen. Sakaja Yes.

That Department of Planning falls under which Ministry? Is it the Ministry of Devolution? Sen. Sakaja It is under the National Treasury.

The National Treasury. Sen. Sakaja Yes. Therefore, ideally the Committee that oversights the National Treasury should have---

Very well. Sen. Sakaja, resume your sit. On that note, I direct that this Statement be seized of by the Committee on Finance and Budget.

On a point of Order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Sen. Wetangula?

Sen. Sakaja Sen. Kibiru, you know that two Senators cannot be standing and having the microphone at the same time. (Sen. Kibiru resumed his place)

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Sen. Sakaja Absolutely, there are one million issues associated with betting and gambling. I would be surprised if your Committee does not---

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Sen. Sakaja Absolutely. It is so ordered. Chairperson of the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights, have you noted?

Sen. Sakaja You can send representations. That sitting on this Petition will be the last sitting of Sen. Sakaja’s Committee. So, you can send representation to ensure that the legal issues that were raised are canvassed when the Attorney-General appears to avoid a situation where after one day or two,...

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Sen. Sakaja Next Order. (Laughter) July 16, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 36 Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Motion moved by my Chairman. It seeks to solve one critical issue that has been haunting many people by proposing to set the value of land in specific...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. A few things come to mind and we will need your guidance. If you look at the contents of this Statement, indeed, prisons fall under the Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. However, the fundamental questions being asked are about our...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, earlier on, I wanted to rise on Standing Order No.113 because there has been a problem over the last few weeks regarding this order. If you look around, you will see what I mean. Sen. Poghisio stood on that point of order but I think...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, while that is contestable depending on the manner and tools of whipping, if you have noticed – I am sure the-Clerks-at-Table have – many Members are always on the gangways. You also keep telling Members to consult in low tones. The Senator for Nandi County...

Sen. Sakaja I am so guided, Mr. Speaker, Sir. ACTIVITIES OF THE COMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, DEFENCE AND FOREIGN RELATIONS Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a report of the Committee on Security, Defence and Foreign Relations for the period starting 1st January to 30th June, 2019, pursuant to...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, we respect all the Senators in this House but we also respect the fact that there are county delegations and when the leader of the delegation of Kakamega---

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, I will not wade into that. I have the largest delegation. Sen. Farhiya is number one in my delegation and I also have Sen. Mugo, the indefatigable Sen. Omanga, Sen. Kwamboka, Sen. Kasanga and others. As a delegation, we do a lot of consultation and...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, my Committee informs all Senators of our activities on our digital platforms. The first Petition that we dealt with was on awards to ex-Kenya Air force officers and servicemen by the courts. We have repeatedly met the CS for the Ministry of Defence, Chief of...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, the Senator for Homa Bay County and I share a few things in common. We were born on the same day. We share a birthday and we went to the same school, Lenana School. I can therefore give welcoming remarks on his behalf. I join...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I have noted the comments by all the Members. I am grateful for the commendation to the Committee; it is team work. I have many committed Members in the Committee who are always there on time and attend all these visits. I am...

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. On behalf of my colleagues, allow me to join you in welcoming the visiting students and teachers from Milimani Primary School. I am their Senator, and I have known that school for a long time. I used to have many friends in Milimani...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the Senate today, Tuesday, 9thJuly, 2019- Report of the Senate delegation to the 63rd Commission on the Status of Women

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the Senate Majority Leader, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today, Tuesday, 9th July, 2019: Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of Nyeri County Report of the Auditor-General on the Financial Statements of...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to give notice of the following Motion- THAT, the Senate notes the Report of the Senate Delegation to the 63rd Commission on the Status of Women (CSW63) held in the United Nations Headquarters, New York, USA, from 11th to 22nd March, 2019, laid...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will keep it short and sweet. First of all, I give my hearty congratulations to Sen. Abshiro Halake. She is a trailblazer and the first woman to Chair the Centre for Multiparty Democracy-Kenya (CMD-Kenya) since its inception in 2004. That is one thing for...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, when I spoke earlier, I said we do “he” for “she”. It is not a competition. Is Sen. Kihika in order to say the seat was “wrestled” from men while at the time Sen. Halake was vying, the seat was vacant? We are not competing...

Sen. Sakajapray that she will remember her statement when I bring the Statement on Nairobi City County soon. July 9, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 18 Sen. Sakaja pray that she will remember her statement when I bring the Statement on Nairobi City County soon.

Sen. Pareno, what is your point of intervention?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, mine is a point of order as to whether it is in order for Sen. Ochillo-Ayacko to say that the Nominated Senators are fighting over the Governor, when they are just debating.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had not even made the point of order. Our function under Article 96 of the Constitution is very clear that we defend counties. Perhaps part of this problem is as a result of the money that the National Assembly is taking away. Part of it could...

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Sen. SakajaGo well, Joe Kadenge and rest in peace. The legend has only slept. July 9, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 26 Sen. Sakaja I thank the Deputy President who went there yesterday and other leaders who visited. However, before that, the Rt. Hon. former Prime Minister, Raila Odinga has stood with...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. On behalf of the people of Narok, the young boys who I grew up with, who used to hear Kadenge na mpira, I sent my condolences to the family and to the people of the football nation. I am not a big football fan, however,...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you for reading this Petition. These persons are entitled to seek redress from this House. As we deal with this issue, a similar matter was brought to this House along that area affecting my people in Uthiru and Mountain View on the...

Sen. Sakaja On a point of Order Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Senate Majority Leader has compared the National Assembly to a high school. Has he done that because of the numbers in the National Assembly, their behaviour or is it both? I would want him to clarify that.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am impressed that this House has decided to take the higher ground by not responding in the same tone to the juvenile rants that we earlier had. It would be infra dig for this House to sound like the other House...

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when we talk about fiscal consolidation, we have to know that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. The Kshs327 billion that we are proposing is the smallest level of growth. From the Kshs314 billion, we have only added core...

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. As you sort out that technological challenge, when we came to the House, I noticed that these iPads have been locked onto one interface, yet we use them to store resources, read e-mails and also go online and research....

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Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, certainly, Sen. Wetangula is my distinguished uncle. As we say at home, he is khotsa. July 2, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 9 Sen. SakajaMr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you have heard Members decry the sad state of environmental management in this country. We have countries like...

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Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is not a point of order, but a point of argument. It is wrong because I am talking about public health facilities that should have medicine that has been paid from the taxpayers. The medicine has been bought, but many doctors in cahoots...

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On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am getting worried. When a patient asks the doctor where he can get the medicine, is it wrong for the doctor to direct him or her where he or she can get it? Is it an offence? Sen. Sakaja Mr....

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Sen. (Dr.) Ali? (Sen. (Dr.) Ali spoke off-record) Order! You are not on record.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, is the hon. Member in order to insinuate that the Senator for Laikipia told his people to buy dawa from private dispensaries when the hospital does not have? Is that the way to treat Members of the House?

Is that what you said, Sen. Sakaja? Sen. Sakaja Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the HANSARD will bear me out. When I made the point about people being sent to buy drugs in private establishments, the Senator for Laikipia stood on a point of order and asked if there is anything...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I repeat that I did not say that. Sakaja is insinuating that. I was clear.

Are you referring to Sen. Sakaja?

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I said Sen. Sakaja. May be, it is because I was quick. I did not say that. I asked whether that is what he meant. He was clear that he did not mean exactly that. However, he is insinuating that it is what I meant....

Order, Sen. Kinyua. You asked whether the Senator for Nairobi City County was in order to say that a citizen should be referred to a private hospital to insinuate that it is improper. I was listening carefully.

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Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I support that Statement by Sen. Halake on zero rating of menstrual hygiene products. For too many years, we have just given lip service to our women and young girls in this country. Menstruation is a natural process. It is not a choice, but many...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Pursuant to Standing Order No.51 (1) (a) , I rise to make a Statement as the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare regarding the Public Service Commission--- (Loud consultations)

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am concerned that it is Members of my Committee who are not listening when they should be listening to this. Pursuant to Standing Order No.51 (1) (a) , I rise to make a Statement as the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Labour and...