Johnson Arthur Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to support this Statement by Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe on the unfair treatment of

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to make my contribution to this important Statement from the Senator for Laikipia County. This is the right House to do this.

You are now addressing the one from the Senator of Samburu.

Sen. Sakaja I said that the difference is one day. I wanted to know if the Committee and the Members will be available on Friday for the summons. We know how our Fridays are. It is likely that most of us will not be available on Friday because we do...

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Sen. Sakaja Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 September 15, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 46 Sen. Sakaja I was right next to Sen. Wambua and he heard the CS making it. He said that it was a sensible request.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this past Wednesday, the CS was to come to...

Proceed, Sen. Cherargei.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, while at it, I wanted your intervention. Early this year or late last year, there was a Communication from Nandi County Assembly. They had requested through the Committee on Delegated Legislation on the issue of tea taxes within the County of Nandi. That matter came to...

Sen. Cherargei, the matter will be addressed tomorrow afternoon. ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30

Sen. Sakaja Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this matter of arrests and detentions is so important. I am dismayed at how we have gone into irrelevant issues of political shadow boxing. As I speak, two young men were arrested and found dead in Embu County. I am sure the Senator for...

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Sen. Sakaja Sen. Cherargei. August 5, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 43 Sen. Sakaja I think we have extended the issue of the curfew for so long that police officers are just having field days in many counties. I have had so many cases in Nairobi. I am even unable to keep...

Madam Temporary Speaker, this matter is so grave. Under the new Constitution, security forces include the National Police Service (NPS). August 5, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 44

happen, that becomes the picture of the Government in power, if it cannot protect young people and this is happening every day. I am getting sick of this matter. Kenya was not built in a situation where people lose their lives just like that. You will hear there will be...

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., proceed.

This is a very sad day. Sen. Ndwiga shared the pictures of those two people, whose blood is flowing on the streets of Embu County for protesting and picketing, which is allowed by our Constitution. I can say this standing here and facing the side that is in Government. The...

Sen. SakajaSecond Reading BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY 7TH SEPTEMBER, 2021 August 5, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 55 Sen. Sakaja 5th August, 2021 until Monday 6th September, 2021. Regular sittings of the Senate, therefore, resume on Tuesday 7th September, 2021.As the House is aware, the legislative business of the Senate...

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Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, I will brief. The recess is well deserved. Unknown to many of us, the Senate staff, for example, sergeant-at-arms and clerk assistants are going through a lot to serve us every other day although a lot of our work is done online. So, it is...

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Sen. Sakaja Madam Temporary Speaker, let me begin by condemning, with the strongest word possible, the killing of a world-renowned environmentalist who was trying to preserve mother earth for our future generation. I did not have the privilege of getting to know this lady in person, but her work is...

Let us listen to Sen. Olekina.

Madam Temporary Speaker, let me begin by condemning, with the strongest word possible, the killing of a world-renowned environmentalist who was trying to preserve mother earth for our future generation. I did not have the privilege of getting to know this lady in person, but her work is quite evident....

After giving the directive that her murder should be investigated, the President should have gone further and gazetted the entire forest and barred any developer from going near Kiambu Forest. We know the biggest motivation is the price of land in this country. An acre of land in Nairobi City...

Sen. Sakaja I thank Sen. Sakaja for that very good information. I am happy that you are now telling me that you are working with a colleague in the National Assembly. The reason why I was telling you to get in touch with the National Assembly is because we can...

Sen. Sakaja Sen. Cherargei, do you have an intervention before Sen. Sakaja proceeds? August 4, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 40 Sen. Sakaja The traders just want to be charged either Kshs2 million for the container or be told to pay per pair, but you cannot ask them to do both.

I thank Sen. Sakaja for that very good information. I am happy that you are now telling me that you are working with a colleague in the National Assembly. The reason why I was telling you to get in touch with the National Assembly is because we can be able...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Sen. Sakaja is raising a very critical issue that is affecting many traders. What we need to note is that when we are applying these discriminatory taxes among the five East African States, we are giving competitive advantage to our competitors. Just the other day...

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Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate, today, 29th July, 2021- REPORT ON THE COUNTY HALL OF FAME BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 9 OF 2021) REPORT ON AN ENQUIRY INTO THE DISMISSAL OF WORKERS BY THE EWASO...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, I rise on a point of order. This report has been tabled. I do not know what Members are contributing to apart from what the Senators are referring to. What they are talking about is not what is in the report. Is it in order...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, let me explain. July 29, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 7

Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, probably it would have been useful if you knew that you were going to open up the Report to have allowed me to take Members through it. Members are talking about something very different. The issue was brought up. We listened to the affected staff,...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, this Report--- If there was one I would delay the report.

Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, there was a team there. This Report having been adopted by five Members of the Committee is no longer a preliminary report. It is a final Report. However, as we have seen, this House has no Committee on Implementation. I have dealt with so many...

Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, the point is that we are still on the issue. We are still going to go back, but as of now this is the Report. I would urge Members to read it before commenting.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. As I said earlier, there is benefit in reading. Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., has stood up and become so poetic about what the Committee should have done yet he has not read the Report. The names of the eight people he is asking...

Sen. Sakaja I am giving the way forward. Allow me to finish because it is a Report. Just give me time.

Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, that is debatable. Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. is completely wrong. Madam Deputy Speaker, let me read out the recommendations properly after having done that.

Sen. Sakaja I must, Madam Deputy Speaker, because on the record of this House, the recommendations that are being read are not our recommendations. We said that the Ministry together with the management must give us a report with comprehensive milestones on the status of the human capital reforms for...

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Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, I would like you to allow someone to say what they are saying before coming in. You are not allowing me to complete what I am saying. That was just an example. I raised it at that time and I did not catch your eye...

Sen. Sakaja There is no business that is more important than any other business. July 29, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 33 Sen. Sakaja Violation of Standing Order 117 has been happening including shouting matches between Senators and yourself. I do not think that is correct and you need to stamp your...

I wish you raised it. When you raise a point of order, raise it at that time. The eyes of the Speaker do not see---- Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, I raised it.

The ears of the Speaker cannot hear what has not been pronounced. You are now pronouncing a very important thing too late. The person you are speaking to is gone. When you want to correct something, I encourage you to be on time. Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, I would...

Order, Senator! You are now--- Sen. Sakaja There is no business that is more important than any other business.

You are now going in the wrong direction. You say that there is a Senator who said that their business is more important than yours. I want to assure you that there is none. The reorganization was done by the same members of the SBC. Sen. Sakaja I am a...

Sen. Sakaja Hon. Senator, why are taking us back to one hour ago?

Sen. Sakaja Thank you. Can we move to the next Order, please?

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Bi. Naibu Spika, ninaona kuwa unamjibu na kumweleza ndugu yangu, Sen. Sakaja, sawa sawa. Wakati nilipokuwa ninazungumza juu ya wafugaji, niliongea kwa heshima. Lakini kwa sababu ulikuwa unakata kuninyamazisha, ulisimama. Sasa ninaona umejibizana na Sen. Sakaja vizuri hadi mumeelewana ilhali hukukubali kuelewana na mimi nilipokuwa ninazungumza juu ya wafugaji wa...

Hon. Senator, why are taking us back to one hour ago?

Ni kwa sababu nimesikitika. Umempatia Sen. Sakaja nafasi nzuri ya kujieleza, ilhali hukunipatia nafasi nzuri ya kujieleza.

Thank you. Can we move to the next Order, please? COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kamar) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Nyamunga) in the Chair] THE WILDLIFE CONSERVATION AND MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 30 OF 2020)

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Sen. Sakaja Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am glad that Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. has talked about the digital taxi hailing applications such as Uber, Little Cab, Bolt and the others. I would like to inform him that there is a process we started as a result of a petition that...

Sen. Sakaja On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. In moving this Bill, I noted some of the people who have expressed interest including the international community - the countries based on when we did the Bill before, because we had to republish it - have since done a...

Sen. Sakaja On a point of information, Madam Deputy Speaker.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. What Sen. Cheruiyot has said is true. I just want to inform him that throughout the public participation we conducted before, many of these interventions that will have a Money Bill effect were proposed. We have discussed with many Members of the National...

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Sen. SakajaMadam Temporary Speaker, we will input the money Bill aspects including the fund and anything that deals with tax in the National Assembly. We have been discussing with Members who are waiting for the Bill so that they can input those interventions that will go a long way in...

By the nature of this Bill, it will come in for Division on another day, so, it is therefore, deferred to tomorrow. (Putting of the Question on the Bill deferred) We move to the next Order. Second Reading THE OFFICE OF THE COUNTY PRINTER BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.13 OF 2021)

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would like to move a Motion and also contribute. Can I move it and then we vote?

Sen. Sakaja Madam Deputy Speaker, I am not cunning. It is hitting two birds with one stone. I beg to move that pursuant to Standing Order No.15 and Article 107 (1) (c) of the Constitution, the Senate elects Sen. Petronilla Were, MP, to preside over the sittings of the Senate...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you very much, Madam Deputy Speaker. Congratulations to Sen. Were. I believe that she is up to the task to preside over the House. I thank Sen. Kwamboka for this Bill that seeks to provide for the nutritional well- being of our children enrolled in pre-primary and...

Sen. Sakaja: Sen. Sakaja:unemployment. About 80 per cent of the young people are in retail, which is not necessarily shops but those people we see on the streets. On your way home, you will see what we call Uhuru Highway opticians selling you sunglasses, vehicle spare parts like wipers, belts...

unemployment. About 80 per cent of the young people are in retail, which is not necessarily shops but those people we see on the streets. On your way home, you will see what we call Uhuru Highway opticians selling you sunglasses, vehicle spare parts like wipers, belts and so on....

Ilovi County. Sen. Sakajamatters, they had not involved the hawkers and their leadership. If you do something without involving the leadership and the people affected by the project, it will not work.I am glad that we have this legislation. On behalf of the people of Nairobi City County and street...

There is nothing there. It is empty. Sen. Sakaja: Sen. Sakaja: Yes, you have five minutes.

Sen. SakajaIncidentally, you will find most of these companies have to be registered outside Kenya because when it is here, there is the taxman. We have not created incentives for business incubation and it was one of the proposals in the Building Bridges Initiative (BBI). This country is not giving...

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., proceed.

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Whenever you see Sen. (Dr.) Zani has proposed something, you can be sure it is well thought out and necessary. She has distinguished herself for the last two terms in being very thoughtful of the processes of Parliament and, indeed, legislation that is...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I know earlier on, the Committee had requested to do this next week because of the ongoing work. However, based on the question asked earlier, it makes sense just to give an update of that and all the other issues. I rise pursuant...

Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. If one looks at the effects on the economy and employment, right now we have a problem. I am grateful to Sen. Khaniri for raising this Statement. There are many sectors that are hard hit. Just yesterday, my Committee was meeting members of...