James Orengo

Sen. Orengo) :

Sen. Orengo) :Absolutely. Fortunately, the letter Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is a very important issue, and I know that we are already seized of the matter. However, what you have read out, to the effect that the statutory instrument must be tabled within seven days after publication, from what...

Absolutely. Fortunately, the letter

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : What is it, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.? Is it the same matter?

Sen. Orengo) :Hon. Colleagues, I want to remind us a bit because I am also a legal expert and some of these things need to be pruned a bit, so that we go within the Constitution and the law. I respect Senior Counsel, Sen. Orengo’s, remarks about harmony. In my...

made; whereas on gazettement, it would have been taken as a done deal. However, because he could go to court and get conservatory orders, that process could be stopped.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what I am appealing is that whereas everything that you have said is correct, this Constitution wants the...

Sen. Orengo) : Absolutely! He could not have heard you. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, he is collecting gossip and rumours, and that is not part of the official record. No doubt, that is the reason the treatment of our national hero is becoming...

Absolutely! He could not have heard you. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, he is collecting gossip and rumours, and that is not part of the official record. No doubt, that is the reason the treatment of our national hero is...

Order! The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : I am saying this because there was no national organisation to receive such a hero. When Brazil wins, it is the whole country. If Eliud Kipchoge wins in Berlin or Vienna, the country should be there. I did...

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Thank you, Sen. Wetangula. I had already directed the Committee to treat this as an urgent matter of national importance. As we are informed, there is already a legal notice around these regulations and, perhaps, initial steps towards borrowing with the new ceilings in...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I think there is one of the provisions of the Constitution that probably we are not using as often as we should. This is Article 211, where this House can actually call upon the Cabinet Secretary at any time to explain the amounts of debt, why...

Thank you, Senate Minority Leader. What is it, Sen. Wetangula? You are all on points of order because I just made a Communication.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, when you made the Communication, it came as a tremendous relief to me. This is because when this matter was passed in the National Assembly, I took an opportunity to call the Majority Leader and ask him if he had heard what I was hearing, and...

Sen. Orengo): Hon. Senators, I would like to make the following Communication. By a letter dated 9th October, 2019, Reference TTCA/CS/7/Vol. 1 (085) and received in the Office of the Speaker of the Senate on Friday, 11th October, 2019, the Speaker of the County Assembly of Taita/Taveta informed the Speaker...

Sen. Orengo):speaking about impeachment or what have you. Kindly give your view on whether or not we should form the Committee.Debate on the Motion on Commendation of Eliud Kipchoge and other Kenyan Athletes for their outstanding Performance will begin at 5.00 p.m. I will therefore give a few Senators a...

Order, Senate Minority Leader! Just as a matter of procedure, let me call you out. Senate Minority Leader, you have the Floor. I am sorry about that. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I stand to second...

national level. The President knows that certain tools can be used and that they are effective because there are people in the highest offices who have been dealt with in accordance with the law. In the State of Rio De Janerio, we are told, that three successive governors are serving...

Order, Members. (Question proposed) Hon. Senators, as I said earlier, this is strictly a Procedural Motion on whether or not to form a Committee to investigate this matter. Kindly, do not take a lot of time October 15, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 33

speaking about impeachment or what have you. Kindly give your view on whether or not we should form the Committee.Debate on the Motion on Commendation of Eliud Kipchoge and other Kenyan Athletes for their outstanding Performance will begin at 5.00 p.m. I will therefore give a few Senators a chance...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the formation of the Committee of the first 11 as I call them, to determine the question of impeachment of Gov. Samboja. Although the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Minority Leader have declared that everybody is equal and that all of...

Pastor, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., do you support this Motion or not? In your fervent proclamation of faith, you forgot to say whether you support or not. October 15, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 34

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in the first instance, I began by stating that I support this Motion. I am sure you have seen the court rulings that were in the past where a matter was dismissed and then the reasons were given later. (Laughter)

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following Motion- October 15, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 44

Thank you, well put. Sen. Ochillo-Ayacko, I give you two minutes to finish for us.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I wish to state clearly that I am in support of this Motion. This House is about fairness and justice. The fairness October 15, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 45

Sen. Orengo

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :

Sen. Orengo) :Proceed, On a point of information, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Proceed,

Madam Temporary Speaker, I was watching the debate in the House of Commons yesterday with a lot of interest. In fact, some of it is being discussed this morning. From what I have heard from the Senate Majority Leader, what he has stated here in really strong terms and from...

Whom are you informing about Jubilee? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Murkomen, another point of order?

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :Republic means that a person is denied development? Is the opposite also true that if a person belongs to ODM, he or she is happier in this Government?

Sen. Orengo) : Thank you, hon. Senators. Pursuant to Standing Order 232 (1) , the Petition stands committed to the relevant Standing Committee, which in this case, is the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights, because of the tilt of the debate. It does not seem to fit...

through an entire process where due diligence is done and many people are involved, including the Attorney-General, when it is a contract of this nature.Similarly, when there is need to cancel a contract which has been awarded like the one we are talking about, its cancellation goes through a legal...

funds, then there is nothing that has gone on in the ground; it is something that we must look into.I would imagine that building a dam is akin to building a contract where you do not pay the entire sum. You pay in stages; you get certificates for every stage...

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :Article 26 of the Constitution protects the right to life and it also states that no one should be deprived of his or her life intentionally. Those are the words of the Constitution.In a case where somebody goes to a medical institution hoping to get...

Article 26 of the Constitution protects the right to life and it also states that no one should be deprived of his or her life intentionally. Those are the words of the Constitution.In a case where somebody goes to a medical institution hoping to get healthcare and attention and loses...

Sen. Orengo) : Thank you, leader of Minority. It is not easy to be complimented by a senior counsel. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo) : In conclusion--- Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will be very brief on this matter, particularly where the real work has been compromised and now...

(Laughter)

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :I can go to the market and say, “Mwezi huu Kshs10 billion imeingia. Let the governor show where it went.This is an empowering process as simple as it looks. I saw in a particular county which I shall not name where somebody was just carrying...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also join you in welcoming back the Senate Leader of Majority. We expressed our sympathies in Kitui when the accident occurred. I hope you will still be back to playing football. I support this Statement that has been requested by the distinguished Senator. This...

Sen. Orengo): Order, Sen. Murkomen. Let us listen a point of order from Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is it correct for the Senate Majority Leader to persist by saying that he has given them the license? Would that not be in...

Sen. Orengo):One thing that is never said is that the USA recognises citizens who have made contributions to the nation. Dolly Parton was not there as a musician but as a promoter of literacy among young people across the USA through a foundation she established that ensures children get the...

Sen. Orengo):

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I think that it is in order for me to be heard, but when we are giving our statements of general concern, three minutes is highly unfair.

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Okay. I see no objection. (Question, that the mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) May I now ask the Mover to now reply? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I wish to thank everybody who...

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I was on the Floor and I have already taken my position.

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Proceed, Senate Minority Leader. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo) : Bado yuko Kilifi County. Order, Sen. Zawadi!

Sen. Orengo) :(Laughter)(Laughter) September 18, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 15

Sen. Orengo

Sen. Orengo Without amendments! (Laughter)

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Langat. Despite your teaching prowess, you have to wait until you are given the Floor.

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir. I support that this debate be adjourned because we need to get it right this time. I am sure that if it is adjourned, given September 18, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 36

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :

Sen. Orengo): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let us not only look at the membership of the Ad hoc Committee, but also consider looking at the Committee on Health. This is because there are quite a number of issues that surround health in this country.

Sen. Orengo) :

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Proceed, Sen. (Eng.) Mahamud. (Applause) September 17, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 10

From now, I am going to speak out very loudly about some of these issues. This is because we better say it now than later when the horse has left the stable.The consequence of the work of the Committee of Senator. M. Kajwang comes from the very moment we enact...

Proceed, Sen. (Eng.) Mahamud.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me also add my voice to the colleagues that have spoken before me. It could be said that today is a very sad day for this country. We have earlier said that DORA has been assented to and it will open the funding to the counties....

Thank you, Mr. Speaker for this opportunity. I join you in thanking the Kitui County Government and its people for the warm welcome. We should never be complicit to sacrificing the constitutionality and legality at the altar of convenience. It has been very convenient to say that counties and people...

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek clarification on the issue of the mediated version of the Division of Revenue Bill. Yesterday the Supreme Court September 17, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 12

Sen. Orengo Order, Sen. Mwaura!

Sen. Orengo) : The variation has been noted. (Sen. Wetangula spoke off record) Sen. Wetangula, are you on a point of order? Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity because we have been here for long and we anticipate to be here longer. I will try...

Sen. Orengo) :more than once to a question. Then 92(2)(a) says a Senator who has spoken on a question may again be heard to offer explanation of some material parts of the Senator‘s speech which has been misunderstood, but must not introduce a new matter. I think the Senator for...

Sen. Orengo) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the people of Kakamega County, Sen. Shiyonga and Sen. (Dr.) Musuruve, I vote, ―Yes.‖ (Laughter) Well done, Sen. Orengo. What a wonderful way to conclude. Hon. Members, without further ado, I now give the Mover the Floor to reply in...

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :