James Orengo

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Sen. Orengo): Handshake! The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Orengo) : There is Opposition. (Applause)

Which opposition? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) :(Laughter) There is Opposition.

Handshake! The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) :(Laughter) There is Opposition.

We are partners! September 27, 2018 SENATE DEBATES (Laughter)

Order, Members! The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) :(Loud consultations) Mr. Speaker, Sir, let those who are talking about there being no Opposition know what happened in the National Assembly. The point I am trying to make is that let us be part of the solution. It is part...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker Sir. Is Sen. Orengo in order to insinuate that I am not part of the solution when a Petition has been brought to this House so that he and the rest of us, Senators in this House, resolve the problem? Why is he...

(Laughter)

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Order, Members! As the Chairperson of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights, we do not expect you to talk about illegal means. You are out of order! (Laughter) September 27, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

He was not allowed to speak in Iten, but I was allowed to do so. If he had any problem about what he did, let go with him tomorrow to Embobut Forest and he will realise what I have done in this area. The whole day we have been with...

Order, Members! Sen. Cherargei, you are from where the Petition has come from. Proceed.

Sen. Orengo): Next is Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka. You have less than three minutes to contribute. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I just want to remind Sen. Kang’ata that if you have same sex marriages or relationships, sodomy is still an offence in this country. It has not been rendered unconstitutional. Try it...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Did you hear Sen. Orengo directly telling a Senator in this House to try sodomy? Is he in order? If he wanted to give a fictitious or a general comment, he should have put it in general. However, he directly pointed at...

Sen. Orengo) : Hon. Senators, we will now proceed to the next Statement under Standing Order No.52 (1) by the Senate Majority Leader. Sen. Kang’ata can live with that because I know his views. He is a very conservative young man and I think that is good. It is difficult...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Proceed, Sen. Kang’ata.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Senior Counsel is arguing that the film is perceived from the angle of freedom of expression. Does it mean that it was allowable because it is just an issue of expression? Being a Senior Counsel, I would like him to explain to us the following...

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :

Sen. Orengo):function according to Schedule Four of the Constitution. Being a devolved function, we need to ask ourselves who are supposed to be in those areas in order to determine how many centres we should have in a county.As we speak, nationally, the number of students who transit from primary...

Let us move on to the next Order. THE PETROLEUM BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.48 OF 2017)

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I have had the opportunity to consult the Minority Leader, who is a very popular man in my County. (Laughter) September 27, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

was also very popular was in the Eldoret Prison. The in-mates there were very happy and excited to see him. (Laughter) (Loud consultations) September 27, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I respect him, but his misunderstanding of my intention based on what I said should not be allowed to go unchallenged. He is insinuating that I want to use the handshake to do an ulterior thing which is not the...

Sen. Orengo) :With respect. You should be ashamed of what you are saying.

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Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :Turkana to Bomet up to Kisii and Nyanza, we will have a lot of oil discoveries. At the end of the day, you will just have one representative of all counties. I do not think that makes any sense.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the other thing...

Sen. Orengo) :national Government. Midstream and downstream, you can find some responsibilities being given to the county government.If you are running oil operations which are worth billions of dollars and you tell the County Government of Uasin Gishu that you can issue licences to petrol stations, what are you saying?...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you should allow me ---

Order, Sen. Seneta. Sen. Orengo has withdrawn and apologised.

Sen. Orengo) : Order, Senators! What is it, Sen. Kirinyaga?

Sen. Orengo) : Very well. Your point is made. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, out of 12 positions in the whole Republic, 47 counties, and you just have one representative of the CoG, it cannot be that. Look at this area; I am glad we are in this part of the...

Turkana to Bomet up to Kisii and Nyanza, we will have a lot of oil discoveries. At the end of the day, you will just have one representative of all counties. I do not think that makes any sense.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the other thing that I have found very...

Order! (Laughter)

Sen. Orengo) : Order! Sen. Cheruiyot and company, consult in low tones. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there are three ladies looking at me. I apologise. (Laughter)

I hope you are conversant with the geographical situation of the Speaker of the House. September 25, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 48

Sen. Orengo): Conclude, Senator. September 25, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 49

Sen. Orengo) : Order Senator. Sen. Wetangula, do you want to say something in light of Sen. Orengo‟s remarks? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Motion for Adjournment is a matter which is under the jurisdiction of the National Assembly. That does not stop us from talking about it. However, because...

Order Senator. Sen. Wetangula, do you want to say something in light of Sen. Orengo‟s remarks?

Sen. Orengo) : Order Senators. I know that a few more Senators would want to rise on points of orders but I want to guide that we should move systematically for us not to engage in a theoretical argument to and fro. First and foremost, is there a Mover for...

been processed by the SBC chaired by the Speaker. The Speaker was on the Chair and he said that this matter should be in the Order Paper.Now, when it comes to the question of conduct, that is a matter before another Committee. If you want us to discuss the question...

Order Senators. I know that a few more Senators would want to rise on points of orders but I want to guide that we should move systematically for us not to engage in a theoretical argument to and fro. First and foremost, is there a Mover for this Motion? (Sen....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir--- September 20, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 20

On a point of order Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

What is it the Senate Majority Leader?

Sen. Orengo) : What is it, Sen. Malalah?

You are a very experienced Counsel and legislator. You do not take the Floor by force. (Sen. Wamatangi spoke off record) Order, Sen. Wamatangi! What is it, Sen. Seneta?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I think we will be out of order if we now start discussing another Committee, yet we are supposed to be discussing a Motion that is in the Order paper. You could give direction for us to have a supplementary Order paper, so that we can...

Order, Senator! It is not out of order to challenge an Order which is in the Order Paper. There is nothing out of order even in deferring an Order for reasons. Also, the fact that a Committee of this House is seized of a matter is a relevant issue. (Sen....

Order, Senator for Kisumu County! (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM NYAKOIBA SECONDARY SCHOOL, KISII COUNTY

Hon. Senators, I have a short Communication to make. I would like to acknowledge the presence, in the Public Gallery this afternoon, of visiting students and teachers from Nyakoiba Secondary School in Kisii County. In our usual tradition of receiving and welcoming visitors to Parliament, I extend a warm welcome...

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Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :overall, I do not think they are lamenting. I had the advantage of listening over the radio as I came to the very emotive speech of Sen. Wetangula. It is only lamentation. I am at pains that every speech that is made in this House...

Sen. Orengo): Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance to say a word of condolence to the two families who have lost their loved ones through very inhuman activities. In every society, including the one that I come from, killing an expectant mother is a demonstration of...

Madam Temporary Speaker, killing innocent people is always a wrong thing to do. Yesterday, I came back from burying Mr. Kapolondo Olepere, a young man who was attacked by haters when he was taking care of his cows. Recently, Ms. Sharon was killed, yet there is nothing that we are...

Sen. Orengo) : Okay. Sen. Faki, do you want to raise something? Madam Temporary Speaker, no.

Okay. Sen. Faki, do you want to raise something?

Madam Temporary Speaker, on the issue raised by The Senate Majority Leader. It is actually a concern to the CPAIC Committee on the delay in the disposal of these reports. As you are ware, every county has an average of four reports which need to be considered and submitted to...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank the Member of the Committee for speaking out. However, is he in order to say that there are strategies and that they are working hard when yesterday you deferred Motions relating to reports of counties because there was no one from the Committee to move...

Sen. Faki, do you want to respond to that? September 12, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

Madam Temporary Speaker, yes. This is the only Committee that seats four days in a week. Sometimes we have sittings with governors up to 2 o’clock before we adjourn to attend the plenary session of the Senate. So, it is not a matter of people sleeping on the job. We...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker.This is a very important matter and the fact that it has been raised before and not dealt with conclusively, raises a lot of concern. We acknowledge that the Committee is working and possibly, it is not a matter of indolence or that...

I see another intervention from Sen. Cheruiyot.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I just want to bring to your attention that this is the umpteenth time that we are hearing this issue about the operations of CPAIC. At this point, I think it will be in order if you squarely put it on the...

Thank you. Sen. Orengo, you may proceed. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : Thank you, the Senate Majority Leader for raising this. I did not realise that it was going to attract a lot of attention. It has given some opportunity to ventilate on it....

It is something which should be thrown to the House leadership and may require the amendment of Standing Orders to find an effective and structured way to deal with these reports.I remember Sen. M. Kajwang' at one time addressed the House on this issue. However, I think the way he...

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) : On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. August 9, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Orengo) : Sen. Orengo) :

Sen. Orengo Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am rising in support of what I have heard from the Senator for Nandi County and the Senator for Narok County say with regard to this Petition. Mr. Speaker, Sir, probably now you will be allowed to enter the Port of Mombasa...

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