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Sen. Orengo On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Did you see what Sen. Musila did while the Speaker’s retinue was in procession? He just joined and became part of the procession. He did not even wait for you to take your Seat. Is that in order for somebody...

Sen. Orengo I need your direction, Mr. Speaker, Sir---

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I apologize. I just wanted to know from the Chair when you are in procession and you have not taken your seat, could any Member join the procession? Sen. Musila came nearly as part of your procession. He was at the tail end of your...

Sen. OrengoMr. Speaker, Sir, for example, if you look at the division of responsibilities or allocation of functions, you will find that the county governments will be responsible for control of drugs and pornography, for that matter. If you look at the budgets of some counties, you will see they...

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Sen. Orengo Let us move to the next Order.

Senator for Bungoma, do you consider yourself an entire delegation or are you misleading? The Senate Minority Leader (

Sen. Orengo The Senate Minority Leader. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to start where my learned senior left off; populism. The height of populism is promising laptops to Standard One children when you have a problem of teachers on your hands. That is...

Sen. Orengo While that is true, Senator, I believe that you have consulted your other colleagues and you are working on that.

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Sen. Orengo Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Following in the footsteps of Sen. Billow, I want to reveal that the sub-Committee of the House Rules and Business Committee is actually dealing with this problem. It is a unique problem. We have to decide what type of Parliament or Senate we...

Sen. Orengo Okay. That is all that I wanted to say. We need a clear guideline on this.

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, just in agreement with what your comments are on this issue of the sub judice rule, I think that there is enough precedent. Even in the previous House, there was a substantive ruling that was given. Sen. Khaniri says if it is taken too far,...

Sen. Orengo On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think that I was really persuaded by what Sen. G.G. Kariuki said; that in as much as all of us would want to say something about this matter, I think that we are safer leaving the contest to be...

Sen. Orengo Hon. (Sen.) Orengo, you are now speaking for me. I have listened to your request and, in my opinion; the proposed amendment does not materially alter the principles of this Motion. So, we can proceed. June 13, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

Hon. (Sen.) Orengo, you are now speaking for me. I have listened to your request and, in my opinion; the proposed amendment does not materially alter the principles of this Motion. So, we can proceed. Sen. Orengo Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. The other time, I was looking at what...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to second this very important Motion. As is now well known, this Senate is taking the issue of devolution very seriously. We are guided by principles of constitutionalism and the rule of law. Madam Temporary Speaker, what the Motion seeks to do is...

the Chiefs’ Act, so that the Cabinet Secretary can have space to issue orders regarding environmental degradation within the county.Madam Temporary Speaker, all the laws recognize Ministers as the implementing authorities, and these are not Ministers in the county government. These are the Ministers of the national Government. Any law...

assemblies. That circular was issued following a certain law. Unless these circulars are amended, we are not going to get any security for our county speakers. When we say that we have to amend all the laws and administrative measures that weaken the implementation of devolution, that matter should be...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to support this Motion by Sen. Orengo. First and foremost, I would like to applaud Sen. Orengo for his credentials in the democratic struggle of this country. I do believe that this Motion tends to complete the democratization of Kenya. If you look at it...

role of devolution is protected and the mandate of devolved units are secured and not in competition or in conflict with the Provincial Administration.A couple of years back when this Constitution was promulgated, I had the radical view that the restructuring of the Provincial Administration could as well mean the...

provisions of the law for this Senate to amend, abolish and even repeal. So the inclusion of the former Attorney-General even in his capacity as the Chair of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights is an important inclusion so that we can drive this process forward. Then I...

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Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I seek to move under Standing Order No.31, that we adjourn the business of the House for very understandable reasoning, arising out of the meeting that we had yesterday. There is a lot of business to be undertaken this morning and, later on, in the...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, first, let me set the ball rolling by commending you in the manner in which you have handled this matter. You have chosen the path of sobriety and fidelity to the Constitution. As a House, even the dignity we have in the country and the...

Sen. Orengo So, we should follow the constitutional mechanism instead of us playing games outside the structure of the Constitution. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Orengo On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. There is no other moment to bring up this. Despite your statement and what this House has said in the last 40 minutes, I understand that the Division of Revenue Bill has been assented to. That now puts us in...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Speaker, in the normal way of the National Assembly, has already made a Statement to the National Assembly that the Bill has been assented to. So, it is not speculation but the truth. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not know whether I will be...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, under Standing Order No.31 and for the reasons that I have already stated while seeking your direction, I formally move that the House do adjourn for the purpose of discussing this issue in a Kamukunji. This adjournment is only to the next sitting day, which...

Sen. OrengoJust put the question!

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Sen. Orengo - THAT, Clause 2 be amended in the definition of the term “conditional allocations” by deleting the words “conditional allocations” appearing at the commencement of the definition and substituting therefor with the words “conditional grants.” The rationale is simple. The Constitution refers to conditional grants. These are grants...

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Sen. Orengo On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Orengo Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise on a point of order on the basis that a question has arisen in the National Assembly on whether the Division of Revenue Bill is properly before the House. It is important, before proceeding with debate, for the Chair to make a...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is a very important business before the House and it concerns the key function of the counties and the Senate in many respects. I want to alert the Senate about the politics that may come later. These are the politics of responsibility and...

Sen. Orengo In fact, I had marked that section, but I thought it will be repetition- --

Sen. Orengo In fact, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if you could allow me to begin from the beginning, I think it is better to look at Article 109 first before you look at Article 110. Article 109 says:- “ (1) Parliament shall exercise its legislative power through Bills passed by...

Sen. Orengo On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Orengo Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise on a point of order on the basis that a question has arisen in the National Assembly on whether the Division of Revenue Bill is properly before the House. It is important, before proceeding with debate, for the Chair to make a...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is a very important business before the House and it concerns the key function of the counties and the Senate in many respects. I want to alert the Senate about the politics that may come later. These are the politics of responsibility and...

Sen. Orengo In fact, I had marked that section, but I thought it will be repetition- --

Sen. Orengo In fact, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, if you could allow me to begin from the beginning, I think it is better to look at Article 109 first before you look at Article 110. Article 109 says:- “ (1) Parliament shall exercise its legislative power through Bills passed by...

Sen. Orengomany people beyond the counties so that these hospitals are run by the counties when they are expected to produce resources.Today, when were having a discussion with the Treasury Secretary, he said something that I have to interrogate. He said that as a national government and as it is...

Sen. OrengoSecondly, I want to say that this Division of Revenue Bill, we will definitely see its effect much more appropriately when the Appropriation Bill hits us. When the Appropriation Bill comes we will see how these figures are translated into shillings and cents with respect to specific expenditures both...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Motion and to contribute to this discussion on the Division of Revenue Bill, 2013. First I must say that I am very happy that Jubilee has fully been converted to devolution and has new prophets of devolution. The epistles are quite convincing....

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give Notice of the following Motion---

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Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give Notice of the following Motion:- THAT, knowing that Section 17 of the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution requires the national government to restructure the system of administration commonly known as the provincial administration to accord with and respect the system of...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Motion has been approved by the Speaker. The Speaker, in his wisdom, would not approve a Motion, unless he knows it is properly before him. Before any matter comes before this House, it goes through the Rules and House Business Committee. Those objections can...

Sen. Orengo Sen. Wetangula, you could do well with a bit of listening. I had actually explained all those issues. As you can see, this is an improved practice from the previous practice which you are aware of. But against every order we have put a listed appendix. So, the...

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Sen. Orengo Am sorry, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Let me conclude giving the notice. The penultimate sentence before I come from the list says: The Senate resolves to establish a select committee comprising the following Senators to inquire into all existing legislation that may undermine the authority, mandate and functions of...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is just a follow up. There needs to be some direction on this issue because if we will continue like this in terms of mandates given to various committees then it will force us to be coming here to table what the committee is...

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