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Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity. Indeed I support this Motion. I support it because when the Senator left rudely as some people say, the two who replaced him were actually holding the fort for him if he came back. He is just claiming...

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Sen. Orengo Yes, Masika; Masinga is the--- I thought it was the bull that Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale was referring to! (Laughter) Thank you very much, Sen. Orengo. I am indeed advised and informed. As far as my brother Sen. Murkomen is concerned, I used two words; I said age and...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

I believe I had called Sen. Wako.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity. Indeed I support this Motion. I support it because when the Senator left rudely as some people say, the two who replaced him were actually holding the fort for him if he came back. He is just claiming what was...

I also want to take this opportunity to congratulate Sen. Wetangula for being overwhelmingly elected as the Senator for Bungoma County. I say so because one of the platforms for re-electing him was because of the good work he was doing in this Senate. He was a valuable asset to...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Motion. I so doing, I want to welcome my old friend back. I know that very many people will be talking to him. Very many people will be saying how they prayed for Sen. Wetangula to come back. That happens after...

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Sen. Orengo Sen. Khalwale, I listened to the debate in the previous Motion. I listened to the debate with regard to Order No.10. So, I will allow your amendment to be debated. Do not go into details now. The same way I allowed the amendment under Order No.10 is the...

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Sen. Orengo Sen. Mukite, what did you say?

Sen. Orengo No, what did you say? Did you say he was fixed or it was fixed?

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Sen. OrengoI also want to take this opportunity to congratulate Sen. Wetangula for being overwhelmingly elected as the Senator for Bungoma County. I say so because one of the platforms for re-electing him was because of the good work he was doing in this Senate. He was a valuable asset...

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Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House today, Wednesday, 26th February, 2014:- The Report of the Rules and Business Committee on review of the Standing Orders.

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, the Senate adopts the report of the Rules and Business Committee on review of the Standing Orders laid on the Table of the Senate on Wednesday, 26th February, 2014.

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House today, Wednesday, 26th February, 2014:- The Report of the Rules and Business Committee on review of the Standing Orders.

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to give notice of the following Motion:- THAT, the Senate adopts the report of the Rules and Business Committee on review of the Standing Orders laid on the Table of the Senate on Wednesday, 26th February, 2014.

Sen. Orengo Senior Counsel, Sen. Orengo, do you want to be informed by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale? February 25, 2014 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Orengo interfere. If you have, then the first instance where the Speaker of the Senate should know about any proceedings in court, it is not through a court...

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Sen. Orengo Order, Senators. Having no more other contributor, I will now call upon the Mover to reply. February 25, 2014 SENATE DEBATES (Applause) (Applause) (Applause) February 25, 2014 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Orengo Yes; only. That tells you that in another ten years, we will be very far. Mr. Speaker,...

Order, Senators. Having no more other contributor, I will now call upon the Mover to reply.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am grateful to all the colleagues who have spoken here in support of this Motion. Almost everybody who has spoken has supported the importance of having this Committee in place as soon as possible. Mr. Speaker, Sir, just allow me to highlight two or three things...

his team for that position. There is a thing of trying to say let us play hide and seek so that it would look as if it is Jubilee which is trying to undermine devolution.Mr. Speaker, Sir, the final thing that I wanted to say is that what has come...

February 25, 2014 SENATE DEBATES

said time and again, in my very considered view, ceased to become Governor on 14th February, 2014, shortly before midnight.With those very many remarks, I thank you and beg to move. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR MEETING OF THE SENATE RULES AND BUSINESS COMMITTEE

Hon. Senators, first, since this is a Committee that I Chair, I also want to thank you for returning the entire membership of the Committee and for all the reasons you have stated. Secondly, the Committee will definitely take into account some of the suggestions you have made as we...

Hon. Senators, since we have no other business on the Order Paper, the House, therefore stands adjourned until tomorrow Wednesday, 26th February, 2014 at 9.00 a.m. The Senate rose at 4.25 p.m.

Sen. Orengo Senior Counsel, Sen. Orengo, do you want to be informed by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale? February 25, 2014 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Orengo interfere. If you have, then the first instance where the Speaker of the Senate should know about any proceedings in court, it is not through a court...

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Sen. Orengo Order, Senators. Having no more other contributor, I will now call upon the Mover to reply. February 25, 2014 SENATE DEBATES (Applause) (Applause) (Applause) February 25, 2014 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Orengo Yes; only. That tells you that in another ten years, we will be very far. Mr. Speaker,...

Order, Senators. Having no more other contributor, I will now call upon the Mover to reply.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am grateful to all the colleagues who have spoken here in support of this Motion. Almost everybody who has spoken has supported the importance of having this Committee in place as soon as possible. Mr. Speaker, Sir, just allow me to highlight two or three things...

his team for that position. There is a thing of trying to say let us play hide and seek so that it would look as if it is Jubilee which is trying to undermine devolution.Mr. Speaker, Sir, the final thing that I wanted to say is that what has come...

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said time and again, in my very considered view, ceased to become Governor on 14th February, 2014, shortly before midnight.With those very many remarks, I thank you and beg to move. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR MEETING OF THE SENATE RULES AND BUSINESS COMMITTEE

Hon. Senators, first, since this is a Committee that I Chair, I also want to thank you for returning the entire membership of the Committee and for all the reasons you have stated. Secondly, the Committee will definitely take into account some of the suggestions you have made as we...

Hon. Senators, since we have no other business on the Order Paper, the House, therefore stands adjourned until tomorrow Wednesday, 26th February, 2014 at 9.00 a.m. The Senate rose at 4.25 p.m.

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Sen. Orengo In fact, Sen. Orengo is very right. (Laughter)

In fact, Sen. Orengo is very right.

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Sen. Orengois also correct that the Standing Orders allow a Motion to be amended before a question is put.I took the liberty of the interventions to find out what actually had transpired. What happened is that this debate was concluded, not on expiry of the time, but because those who...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you know, I am the Senator who neighbours Tharaka-Nithi County. Although I did not speak to this Motion yesterday, as Sen. James Orengo said, there are many ways of contributing. I contributed by supporting the Motion and lobbying other Members to support it. Mr....

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand to second the amendment.

Order! It is the Mover to identify the Seconder. Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, with respect to my leader, just to show the spirit of unanimity in the House, I call upon the lion king, the Senator from Meru to second.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, as you know, I am the Senator who neighbours Tharaka-Nithi County. Although I did not speak to this Motion yesterday, as Sen. James Orengo said, there are many ways of contributing. I contributed by supporting the Motion and lobbying other Members to support it. Mr. Speaker, Sir,...

Order, hon. Senators! I, therefore, wish to propose the question; that the Motion be amended by inserting the words “or any other counties” immediately after the words “the three counties” appearing in the last line. (Question of the amendment proposed)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, just for the record, I was the seconder to this Motion and I support the amendment which has been proposed. Mr. Speaker, Sir, the three counties had been identified as having extreme problems. However, I think that it is reasonable that any other counties which might find...

Order, Senators! Before I put the question, this is a matter affecting counties. So, we will vote accordingly. I, therefore, wish to put the question, that the Motion be amended by inserting the words “or any other counties” immediately after the words “the three counties” appearing in the last line.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is it possible, using your discretionary powers, that you put the two questions, one for the amendment and the other for the main Motion, so that when we go to Division, we can vote for both of them respectively?

That is pushing it too far and denying the Senators the flexibility of voting one way or the other.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, just along the same line, maybe you should not put one question for both questions, but really rule that we can use the same Division Bell for the two questions, so that the Division Bell can be rung just once and we are able to sort out...

I think that I agree to that one. I think that we have done it before, although I realize the disadvantage. If somebody is outside, he or she may not be able to come and vote. That is the price that you must pay. Being the proposer of that issue,...

Order, Senators! Close the doors and draw the bars. The following are the Tellers, for the Ayes, Sen. Judith Sijeny; and for the Noes, Sen. Naisula Lesuuda. I, therefore, wish to put the question, which is that the Motion be amended as follows:- December 5, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

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Sen. Orengo Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I also want to support this Motion. There seems to be a curse in Marsabit County. Some years ago, because of the insecurity situation in this area, we lost some leaders. One of them who was a dear friend and the former...

Sen. Orengo Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I also want to support this Motion. There seems to be a curse in Marsabit County. Some years ago, because of the insecurity situation in this area, we lost some leaders. One of them who was a dear friend and the former...

Sen. Orengo If you did so, you should not, therefore, put words in his mouth. He said that the President is the father of the nation, but did not say that he is the father of everybody. (Laughter) Order, Sen. Orengo! Did you hear or listen to Sen. Murkomen? Sen....

If you did so, you should not, therefore, put words in his mouth. He said that the President is the father of the nation, but did not say that he is the father of everybody. (Laughter) December 3, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, can we check this...

Order, Sen. Orengo! One, we will check on the HANSARD, because when you start by questioning whether somebody heard, you are only telling us that you heard better than everybody else. So, we need to verify and we will give you your dues, if it is the correct position. If...

Sen. Murkomen, in fact, I thought that you were going to add “just as I suppose that he is the father of his household.” For purposes of delegations here, the Head of delegation is like the father of the delegation.

No! (Laughter)

Sen. Orengo Okay. I see your point.

Sen. Orengo I see your point and I will be very categorical. The ruling has been made; what is provisional is the argument that has been raised. This is not the first time because we have always done it. We give an interim measure as we interrogate the matter further....

Sen. Orengo It is the same spirit. Next Order. An hon. Senator: Sen. Billow Kerrow; the Chairperson of the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Economic Affairs.

I see your point and I will be very categorical. The ruling has been made; what is provisional is the argument that has been raised. This is not the first time because we have always done it. We give an interim measure as we interrogate the matter further. By the...

December 3, 2013 SENATE DEBATES (Loud consultations)

Proceed, Sen. Kerrow. The Order is reading funny. But when we transmitted the message, we definitely, gave it to the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Economic Affairs. So, it should be the Chairperson to move it. But if you look at your Order Paper, Order No.9 is reading other things....

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Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have two Statements which are pending from the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights which should have been issued yesterday. I spoke with Sen. Wako, who is the Chair of that Committee and he said he would give some indications this afternoon but...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we had actually discussed this matter with the Chairman of the Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights and I am in a position to accommodate him. So, the Statement can actually come next week, on Wednesday afternoon.

Sen. Orengo Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I had a Statement pending and the Chairman of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations was on his feet to deliver it, but that Order was suspended. Since the Chairman is here, could he be allowed to give the Statement, regarding the...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have a problem with the answer to this Statement that I had requested because, one, the Chairperson of the Committee has just dealt with the question of one bodyguard, while the Statement I requested related to the entire security personnel attached to the...

Sen. OrengoNovember 27, 2013 SENATE REPORTS

Sen. Orengo Let us hear Sen. Obure before I make my final comments.

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Sen. Orengo Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there is really nothing to apologize for. If you read the HANSARD of that day, what the Chairman would have done is to confirm that he is actually not denying this House information. That is all I said. Very well. We need to close...

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Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you. I also thank Sen. Abdirahman. Before I congratulate you on that communication, I really want to congratulate your humility. Having the head of an important organ, a separate distinct and an independent organ of the Government appearing before another organ which is separate...

Sen. Orengo Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was looking behind where my Chair, Sen. Haji is sitting. There was a Statement that you gave some direction on; this is the matter concerning Sen. Muthama. I hope he has the Statement ready. November 21, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Orengo On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. On account of what the Senator for Kajiado has just brought out, I want to bring the attention of the Senate to Article 153 of the Constitution, as read with Article 153. If you look at Articles 152 and 155,...

Sen. Orengo Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First of all, I want to say this in regard to the Chairperson of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations; that the way he goes about his work is diligent and he is all the time available in all the meetings,...