Martha Wangari

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also want to laud the Chairperson. I remember Naivasha. Thank you for allowing us to have a very serious engagement while there. That session is what necessitated this Statement and the engagement we have seen. Hon. Nyikal has raised most of the issues, but I...

Hon. Victor Koech.

Member for Tigania West, Hon. Mutunga.

Thank you. Your time is up. Hon. Samwel Moroto.

What is out of order, Hon. Chairman? Hon. Moroto, hold on.

Hon. Moroto. 25th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31

Hon. Member for Baringo County, Hon. Jematiah Sergon.

Thank you. Member for Njoro, Hon. Kathambi.

Thank you very much. Member for Trans Nzoia, Hon. Siyoi.

Hon. Umi, Member for Mandera.

Thank you very much. Member for Kuresoi South, do you want to speak to this matter? Hold on, Hon. Tonui. You have already spoken to this matter. You are on record. I will give the opportunity to Hon. Dorothy, who is still walking on the aisle.

Thank you. That brings us to the end of this debate. I call upon the Mover, Hon. Kimani, to reply.

Very well. I will defer the putting of the Question to the next appointed time. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE INSURANCE PROFESSIONALS BILL

Thank you. Let us have the Member for Kitui Central, Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu.

Hon. Maingi.

Member for Busia, Hon. Omanyo.

Very well. Member for Kesses, Hon. Rutto.

Thank you very much. Member of Njoro, proceed.

Thank you very much. Member for Eldas, Hon. Keynan.

Very well said. Member for Kaiti, Hon. Kimilu.

Very well. The Member for Kitui West, Hon. Nyenze.

Thank you. Member for Kuresoi South, you are not visible on my screen.

Thank you. There being no more interest in this Bill, I call the mover to reply.

Thank you very much. Hon. Members, we will defer the putting of the question to the next appointed time. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next order. THE POLITICAL PARTIES (AMENDMENT) BILL 25th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 (National Assembly Bill No. 35 of 2022) Hon. Members, for the convenience...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank Hon. Mandazi for that request for statement. Although it is just for his constituency, so many administrative units have been gazetted over the years. Some date back from 2017, including over ten in Gilgil. Koelel and Kamathatha are examples. There are so many....

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to also thank the Office of the Clerk because it has been very helpful and efficient in ensuring that we are able to clear our schools to visit Parliament. We are doing very well in this Session and I hope that...

Thank you. The next chance goes to Hon. Haika Mizighi, Member for Taita Taveta.

Thank you very much. Next is the Member for Kitutu Masaba, Hon. Clive Gisairo.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Gichugu, Hon. Gichimu.

Thank you. Hon. Ochanda.

Thank you. Hon. Members, as had been guided earlier, for those coming in, if you intend to speak to this, you will press the intervention and not the regular button. Hon. Member for Makueni, you have had a problem with your card.

Thank you. Hon. CNN.

Member for Kericho County, Hon. Kemei.

Very well. Member for Kitui West, Hon. Nyenze.

Before the next speaker, allow me to recognise students in our Public Gallery from a school with a very interesting name: Kamuwongo Secondary School in Mwingi North Constituency, Kitui County. I will indulge Hon. Makali Mulu to say something to the students.

On behalf of the Speaker and the entire House, I welcome you to observe the proceedings of the House. The last Member who seems to be interested in this Bill is the Member for Embakasi West, Hon. Mark Mwenje.

Hon. Members, as earlier guided, if you intend to speak on this, use the intervention button. More Members are walking in. Hon. Makali Mulu.

Thank you. Member for Central Imenti, Hon. Kirima. (Hon. Rahim Dawood consulted other Members) 19th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24 Hon Rahim, break the kamukunji.

Thank you. Member of Narok North, Hon. Pareyio.

Thank you. Member for Kabondo Kasipul, Hon. Obara.

Thank you. Member for Igembe Central, Hon. Karitho.

Very well. Hon. Ruku, the Member for Mbeere North.

Very well. The Member for North Imenti, Hon. Dawood.

Hon. Members, there being no more interests in this Bill, I call upon Hon. Joshua Kimilu to reply.

Thank you very much. We will put the question in the next appointed time. (Putting of the question deferred) Hon. Members, we will, therefore, move to the next Order. THE GOLD PROCESSING BILL Hon. Bernard Shinali.

Hon. Member for Shinyalu, proceed. Give him the microphone.

The first chance will go to the Member for Kakamega County, Hon. Elsie Muhanda.

Very well. The next chance will go to the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining, Hon. Gikaria. 19th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31

Hon. Osoro.

Member for Migori.

Continue, Hon. Fatuma.

That would be a fishing expedition because she has already told you what she wants to inform you about. You either accept the information or continue because other Members are waiting.

Continue, Hon. Fatuma. 19th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 35

I would like to hear from the Chairperson, Hon. Gikaria.

Hon. Donya, did you say the licensing is at the national level?

I heard you very well and you had actually said that the licensing is being done at the county level using the delegated powers from the national level. So, the actual situation is what the Chairperson has confirmed, if you agree. You have eaten into the time of Hon. Fatuma....

Hon. Fatuma, if you wish to contribute next time, you will have a balance of four minutes. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I know we want to put the Question, but I want to support the Committee on reduction of the publication period on this specific Bill. Some of us come from areas where there are monkeys that are a menace to the community. I have areas...

Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Member has raised very critical issues. We can only respond after we get a comprehensive report from the Ministry, which has to be after we come back from recess.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also want to agree with my colleagues that the matters raised are very weighty and urgent. I know just last week we had a Question from Hon. Agnes Pareyio also directed to the Committee. However, you also must consider that we are taking recess...

Hon. Chairperson.

Order, Hon. Tandaza. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (Consideration of the President’s Reservations to the County Allocation of Revenue Bill passed) Next Order. Chairperson of the Mediation Committee on the Conflict of Interest Bill, Hon. Murugara. APPROVAL OF THE MEDIATED VERSION OF THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BILL

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Startup Bill (Senate Bill No.14 of 2022) up to Clause 6 and approved the same with amendments and seeks leave to sit again.

Hon. Members, there is no quorum. Ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, Members! We have quorum. We may proceed to the first Order.

Hon. Members, we shall reorganise the Order Paper a bit for the convenience of the House. We will prosecute Orders 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 and then revert to Order 7. Leader of the Majority Party, we are on Order 8, the Procedural Motion. EXEMPTION OF BUSINESS FROM PROVISIONS...

Hon. Chepkong’a.

Hon. Chepkong’a, I hope the performance will be as good as the facilities. (Question proposed)

Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, we shall defer putting of Question under Order No.12. We will revert back to Questions and Statements under Order No. 7. Before that, I have a Communication to make under Order No.2. (Putting of the Question deferred) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR WITHDRAWAL...

I can see the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Energy in the House. Can he give an undertaking?

Hon. Wanjiku, is that satisfactory enough?

They should be equally efficient. 4th December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6

Thank you. That is very well done. Member for Noth Horr, Hon. Wario. STATUS OF CONSTRUCTION OF SEGEL-MAIKONA ROAD IN NORTH HORR CONSTITUENCY

Hon. Wario.

I will commit it to the Committee. Hon. GK, you realise we are taking a long recess. If you can do it before, the better. But it has to be satisfactory.

Thank you. Let me just notify the House that Ol Jorai Farm is in Gilgil Sub-county. Some Hon. Members, including the Member for Narok East Constituency, have come to me because I had raised the issue yesterday, 3rd December 2024, as a Petition. This is a request for statement that...

Hold on, Hon. Brighton. That is the next Statement. You have finished the first one. Let us hear from Hon. Wario as to whether he is satisfied. Take your seat, Hon. Brighton. 4th December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 10

Hon. Brighton.

Hon. Wario, the issue of South Nyanza Sugar Company is totally different. It is a request for a statement by Hon. Owino.

We want to make progress. Hon. Brighton, the Member is asking about the strategies the Ministry has put in place.

Thank you. Going forward, ensure you call the Member who has requested for a statement. Hon. Wario should attend the meeting so that he can seek further clarification. This will help him a lot. Next response to statement. REVIVAL OF SOUTH NYANZA SUGAR COMPANY AND OTHER STATE-OWNED SUGAR MILLS FACTORIES...

Member for Awendo.

Hon. Dr Mutunga, do you know when?

Member for Awendo.

Chairman, do you have anything more useful to add?

I suggest that you consult the National Treasury and get back to the Member as soon as possible, considering that we are going for a long recess by tomorrow afternoon. The next request for statement is about the status of the construction of Cheborge Junction – Kipwasituiya Market Road and...

Amb. Sigei, is that satisfactory?

Chairman. 4th December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14

There are always contractual responsibilities. Hon. Ambassador, the Chairman has committed that it will either be terminated or the person has to come to the ground. I would ask that the Chairman takes it up to expedite from the Ministry so that you can lessen the suffering of Amb. Sigei’s...

Do you have any mitigation, Chairperson?

Hon. Members, we are done with Statements. We will go to the next Order. SPECIAL MOTION This Motion will be moved by the Vice-Chair of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, Hon. Eckomas Mutuse. CONSIDERATION OF A NOMINEE FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE ETHICS AND ANTI-CORRUPTION COMMISSION

Hon. Mutuse, unlike the other time you were moving a Motion to remove someone from office, this time you are putting someone into office. So, be factual.

Continue, Hon. Mutuse.

Hon. Member for Mavoko, maybe, the Seconder will give that information and so, hold your horses. Hon. Mutuse.

Hon. Osoro.

Order, Hon. Wanjala! Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu.

Major Bashir.

Member for Kesses. If he is not in the House, let us have the Member for Buuri.

Hon. Ummi Harun, Nominated Member.

Hon. Adagala.

Let us hear the father of the House, Hon. Keynan.

Hon. Rahim Dawood.

Leader of the Minority Party. 4th December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 22

You are out of order, Hon. Keynan. Hon. Junet was very clear. He has not denied his heritage. He has only described his voters, which is totally acceptable. What is out of order, Hon. Osoro?

Hon. Junet, you have heard the two points of order.

Hon. Rindikiri. Give Hon. Rindikiri the 4th December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24

I am not sure whether that information was for you, Hon. Junet, but I think he has helped you answer it. Kindly continue.

Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

For proper record, Hon. Owen Baya, it is Mr Mohamud, as it had been corrected by Hon. Dawood Rahim. The next chance will go to Hon. Charles Nguna, Member for Mwingi West Constituency.

Member for Wajir West. 4th December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 28

The next chance goes to the Member for Gatanga, Hon. Wakili Muriu.

Member for Funyula.

The Deputy Majority Whip, Member for Marsabit County. 4th December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30

Hon. Major Dekow.

Member for Ijara.

Member for Ijara, you will have a friendly fire and one of you will have to give in. However, Member for Ijara, does the nominee come from your constituency or Garissa Township?

Hon. Kawanjiku, do not take the shortcut to debate. You only move that the Mover be called upon to reply. I will put the question to the House, as per Standing Order 95, to make a decision. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Members, please, be guided that if debate is closed under Standing Order 95, the Mover cannot donate minutes. Let me put that to a close. Kindly, reply.

Next Order. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangare) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) in the Chair] SENATE AMENDMENTS TO THE STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS (AMENDMENT) BILL

Hon. Members, we will start with the Statutory Instruments (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 2 of 2023) . Chairlady.

Very well. Mover of the Bill.

Hon. Members, I will defer the putting of the Question on that Report. (Putting of the Question deferred) We will then go to the next, which is the Tax Procedures (Amendment) (No.2) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 46 of 2024) . Chairlady. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE TAX PROCEDURES (AMENDMENT)...

Mover.

Hon. Dorice. (Hon. Dorice Donya consulted loudly) Be on record.

Again, we will defer the putting of the question on this Motion. 4th December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, be upstanding. The time being 1.15 p.m., this House stands adjourned until today, Wednesday, 4th December 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 1.15 p.m. 4th December...