Martha Wangari

On a point of information. Hon. Wangari, what is your point of information? Hon. Deputy Speaker, allow me to inform Hon. (Dr) Oundo that they did not consider that a woman would die. Probably, the law never considered that a woman would be the Member of Parliament and leave a...

Thank you Hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me this opportunity. I also want to support the Bill and note that it is a surprise that we did not do this sooner because after the promulgation of the Constitution, we should have already aligned it with the Constitution. But it has...

Thank you. Member for Endebess.

Hon. Kangogo.

Member for Dagoretti North.

What is out of order, Hon. Makau?

Hon. Elachi.

Member for Saku, Hon. Raso.

Well said, Member for Moyale. Hon. Sigei, kindly have the Floor.

Thank you. Member for Kinangop.

Member for Marsabit County.

Thank you. Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga.

Your time is up. Let us have the Member for Kaiti, Hon. Kimilu.

Hon. Members, for good order of business, allow me to tell the Clerk-at-the-Table to call Order No.7 before I call the next Member to contribute to this Bill. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Hon. Members, Hon. Speaker had said that we would come back to this Order after we are done with...

Hon. Sirma.

Thank you. Member for Makueni.

Hon. Member for Samburu East, Hon. Lekumontare.

Thank you. Hon. Dick Maungu.

Thank you. Member for Matuga.

Hon. Engineer Muriuki.

Hon. Moses Kirima, Member for Central Imenti.

Thank you. Member for Narok North, Hon. Pareyio.

Member for Wajir North, Hon. Saney.

Hon. Saney, we are pressed for time. I will give the Member for Nakuru County, Hon. Chelule, the next chance. 29th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29

Hon. Members, I will put it to a vote, that the Mover be called to reply. (Question, the Mover be now called to reply, put and agreed to) Mover. 29th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30

Thank you. Hon. Members, we will defer putting of the Question to this Bill under Order No. 13. (Putting of the Question deferred) As guided by the Deputy Speaker, we reordered the Order Paper to go to Order No. 13, then Order No. 9. Hon. Tandaza to move. 29th November...

Hon. Ikiara.

Member for Jomvu.

Thank you. Hon. Member for Ndhiwa, are you on this one?

Umesema Hon. Tangaza.

Debate on this Bill will continue at the next appointed time. 29th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34 ADJOURNMENT Order, Members. The time being

Okay. Order, Hon. Osoro. This is a very important Commission. I will give a few Members starting with the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Members, I can see there is a lot of interest in this Motion and so, I will give a maximum of three minutes to each Member so that many can speak. Whip of the Minority Party?

Hon. Millie, it is a point of order from the Leader of the Majority Party. I will allow it.

That sounded more like a point of information. I do not want us to make contributions through points of order. I will give Hon. Kaluma an opportunity, if it is a point of order. But if it is a point of information, you should wait for your chance to contribute.

You have made your point. We shall not allow more Members. Hon. Millie, you have heard the points of order by Members. Kindly.

Member for Marsabit.

Member for Laikipia North.

Member for Buuri.

Hon. Ruweida Obo.

Hon. Ruweida, the Standing Orders are clear. You will address the Members as “Hon. Members”. That does not take away his gender though.

Hon. Kaluma.

Your time is up. We are almost getting to the close of this Motion. Nominated Member, Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Member for Lafey, Hon. Mohamed Abdirahman.

Hon. (Prof.) Guyo Jaldesa.

Member for Njoro, Hon. Kathambi.

Hon. Nyenze. (Several Members spoke off the record)

Member for Kisii County, Hon. Doris.

Hon. Doris, you are totally out of order. It is for the Speaker to determine what the point of order is. (Laughter)

Hon. Kaluma, do not take us to the previous Motion, but you have made your point. Proceed, Hon. Doris.

Member for Endebess.

Hon. (Dr) Mutunga has left. Hon. Passaris. 27th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 20

Hon. Ikiara.

Speak to the microphone, Hon. Agnes Pareyio.

Thank you. Let us have Hon. Kalasinga.

There is a point of order.

It is not for you to accept, Hon. Kalasinga. There is a point of order from Hon. Kaluma.

It is not you to reply, Hon. Kalasinga. You had very few seconds remaining. You have made very serious accusations. Hon. Kalasinga, take your seat. I will give you your time. Just hold it. There is already a point of order that has already been raised by Hon. Kaluma. What...

Hon. Kalasinga, you only have a few seconds. Statement of fact.

Hon. Member for Kabuchai, if you were here earlier, the previous speakers had already spoken to this already. If you were listening to Motion No.13, we had eight appointees. They cannot all come from every one of the 290 constituencies. It is not possible. I know what you are trying...

Hon. Wanjala, what is out of order?

Hon. Member for Kabuchai, I gave you instructions to withdraw a specific issue from your contribution. I will remind you of Standing Order 107A (1) (b) , which says a Member commits an act of gross disorderly conduct if the Member— Declines to explain or retract use of unparliamentary words,...

Hon. Member for Kabuchai hopes that I will throw him out of the Chamber so that he can look like a hero in Kabuchai. I will not do that. I direct that you bring the substantiation you mentioned to this House tomorrow afternoon. If you do not, consequences will follow....

Hon. Ngusya.

Hon. Ngusya has said that it is not very popularised to Kenyans, which is a fair statement. Continue Hon. Ngusya.

Hon. Atandi.

Mover.

Very well. We will defer the putting of the question on this particular Motion and go to the next order. (Putting of the Question deferred) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) in the...

Hon. Members, we will start with the Coffee Bill.

Mover.

Professor.

We shall prosecute the Assisted Reproductive Bill now. Hon. Temporary Chairman. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE ASSISTED REPRODUCTIVE TECHNOLOGY BILL Mover.

Hon. Millie.

Order, Hon. Members. The time being 1.13 p.m., this House stands adjourned until today Wednesday, 27th November 2024 at

Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) left the Chair] [The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) took the Chair]

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to also record my thanks to the State of the Nation Address by the President. 26th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3 I will pick a few issues because I know we have limited time. We are on our second...

Serjeants-at-Arms, kindly ring the Serjeants-at-Arms, extend the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Baya.

Thank you, Hon. Owen. 20th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1 Hon. Members, before we go to the Questions and Statements, allow me to reorganise the Order Paper so that we go to Order No.8 and then revert to Order No.7. Order No.8. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE COMMUNITY HEALTH...

Hon. Pukose.

Hon. Members, I have confirmed that we have the requisite quorum for the purpose of this decision. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) We revert to Order No.7. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The first Question as listed on the Order...

The Chairman had indicated that he is engaged in a ministry function. Hon. Kwenya.

In the next two weeks. Next is the Member for Bumula Constituency, Hon. Wamboka. If he is not in the House, we shall go to the responses, starting with the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Again, Hon. Kwenya. RESPONSES TO STATEMENTS

Begin as in the Order Paper. Start with the one by Hon. Phelix Odiwuor. 20th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3 MANAGEMENT AND PUBLIC ACCESS TO UHURU GARDENS

Hon. Jalas, are you satisfied?

Thank you. Hon. Kwenya, next response to the Member for Mwala Constituency. MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF MR WILLIAM MULWA IN THE USA

Member for Mwala, is that the actual status of the situation?

I have indulged you, and given you quite some time to put your issues across. We will therefore, go ahead and hear from the Committee on the way forward. Hon. Kwenya. 20th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6

Member for Mwala.

Hon. Kwenya this is your final chance to say something different from what you have already said.

Member for Mwala before I put this matter to rest, I will indulge you but limit yourself to the active court case in the US. So, we can make progress. Do you have something to say? 20th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 7

Member for Mwala, you must also realise that this response came from the Ministry of Foreign and Diaspora Affairs. They are the authors so when you say they do not understand, there is contradiction.

Member for Mwala before I give you, Hon. Makali I think we have conflicting issues. You have brought the issue of murder which is not in the Statement because it stated that he died from chronic illness in a hospice. He had written his will. First, let me indulge Hon....

Continue Hon. Makali.

That is the route we will take. Member for Mwala I agree with Hon. Makali that we will not get a solution from this statement. I propose that the Chairperson of the Committee calls the Cabinet Secretary or Principal Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs for the meeting where you...

That is well guided. The next Statement is from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Energy. Hon. Musau you are the one responding to Hon. Makali Mulu. STATUS OF COMPENSATION TO MASTER SIMON MUEMA FOR SEVERE INJURIES SUSTAINED FROM ELECTROCUTION

Member for Kitui Central.

Hon. Vincent, precedence has been set by your issue. When you follow up on that issue, invite Hon. Makali to be present to execute and prosecute the pending issues. As you have said, it is not sufficient. You can give your commitment from here on how long you will need...

Do not pre-empt. Hon. Makali.

Hon. Member for Mwala, you have one month. Let us have the response to a Statement request by the Member for Loima. Is he in the House? Is Hon. Protus in the House? If the Member is not in the House, the Statement will be tabled, not read, so that...

Member for Lungalunga. 20th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11

I hear you. There is a point of order from the Member for Buuri.

Member for Buuri, the reason why I am nodding my head is because I raised the same matter with regard to Gilgil in the current parliament, and even in the last parliament. I have seen the issue come up here over and over again. I will, first, give opportunity to...

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Baya, I hope you are listening because this is a cross-cutting issue affecting a majority of the constituencies. I hope you have the report, as guided by the Speaker. The response was specific to Lungalunga Sub-County but it is now spilling over to...

Member for Jomvu.

Hon. Members, we have canvassed this issue not once. For those who were here, it is not just in this term but even last term and even the other term. I will give a chance to the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya. The Speaker directed that...

Hon. Baya, this matter has been pending for long. Not to put a timeline would be very unprofessional because it is urgent and important. Could you do that before we break for recess in the next two weeks?

Member for Lungalunga, is it different?

We shall make progress, Members. We have the commitment from the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party and the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Labour. We will go to the next Statement request, which is by Hon. Joshua Kandie. It is still the Chair for the Departmental Committee on...

Thank you, Hon. Chairman. Member for Baringo Central.

Hon. Chairman.

Hon. Chairman, Hon. Kandie has said that we are very good with the theories on paper, but we do not implement them. I hope this can be a continuous process. If Hon. Kandie has more information, he has a responsibility to supply it to the relevant committee to assist them...

Thank you, Member for Kamukunji. On my behalf and that of the House, I offer our condolences. I know the Member for Nairobi City County had also spoken to the Speaker about the matter. I will give you two minutes to offer your condolence and then close the matter.

Thank you. We will now go to Hon. Wanami Wamboka’s request for Statement. Hon. Wamboka, you had been called upon earlier. You should apologise first for coming late. REQUEST FOR STATEMENT STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF COURT ORDER ON RECRUITMENT OF KRA OFFICERS 20th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17

There is no further proceeding. You have requested for a Statement. The request is committed to the Departmental Committee on Labour immediately. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) Hon. Wamboka, you have made a request for a Statement on the status of implementation of the court order. I have...

You have made your point, and rightfully so. I have been briefed that the issue was canvassed and the response was to come in the first two weeks after resumption. I direct that the Leader of the Majority Party ensures the Chairperson brings the response to the issue raised by...

Chairperson.

Thank you, Hon. Chairperson. Mover of the Bill.

Hon, Members, allow me to issue this Communication. Hon. Members, this guidance relates to the just concluded business, which is the agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House on the consideration of the President’s Reservations to the Finance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.30 of 2024) ....

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of Supply has considered the First Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2024/2025 and approved the same with amendments, and pursuant to the provisions of Article 223 of the Constitution and Section 9 of the Public Finance Management Act, 2012...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support the Leader of Majority Leader on this Bill. The most saddening thing about the amendments that have been proposed by the Senate is that they are taking us extremely backwards in terms of the war against corruption. Most of the issues we...

Thank you. The Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriation Committee, please note the concerns that are being raised by Members. You can respond to them when you will be replying. Next is Hon. Ochanda.

Member for Manyatta, Hon. John Gitonga, are you on this one? If not, I will give to the Member for Sirisia. If he is not there, I will give this opportunity to the Member for Tetu, Hon. Geoffrey Mwangi.

Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security, Hon. Tongoyo.

Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, that kamukunji has gone on for too long. Hon. Tongoyo is addressing a matter to you so that you can respond. Listen, especially to the chairpersons of departmental committees.

Very well. Member for Wajir, Hon. Fatuma. 24th July 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 132 Hon. Fatuma Jehow (Wajir County, ODM): Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would like to make my contribution to the Supplementary Estimates for the Financial Year 2024/2025. But before I do so, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I...

Thank you, Hon. Fatuma. I will correct you. There is no cabinet secretary who has been appointed. They were nominated. This House will vet them, and finally they will be appointed by the President. I will give this chance to the Leader of the Majority Party. (Laughter)

Time is up. Member for Chepalungu, Hon. Victor Koech.

Thank you. Member for Nairobi. 24th July 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 138

Thank you. Member for Kwanza, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

What is out of order, Member for Funyula? You have your mic. Take your seat, Member for Kwanza.

Member for Funyula, you are totally out of order. It is a democratic right for any Member to vote any way. Member for Kwanza, conclude.

I know there is a lot of interest and questions on this Motion because in the morning, the debate had been limited to five minutes. But because we did not limit it on this Sitting to five minutes, you cannot do that mid-debate. But Members, 10 minutes is the maximum....

Hon. Catherine, that is a point of information. If I heard the Member for Nandi well, she said that she may not agree with how it is done, but supports. She did not say that it is not working. Therefore, that is not a point of order. Is there anything...

Hon. Catherine, that is a point of information. You are free to put it in your debate. Member for Nandi, kindly conclude.

Next is the Member for Butula, Hon. Joseph Oyula.

Hon. Jackson Kosgei.

Thank you very much. Member for Kiambaa, Hon. John Kawanjiku.

Thank you. I do not want to say this chance goes to the acting Leader of the Minority Party. I mean the one occupying the seat that belongs to the Leader of the Minority Party. (Laughter)

Thank you. Member for Soy, Hon. David Kiplagat.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Mombasa County, Hon. Zamzam. 24th July 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 151

Order, Members. Chairperson,

Mover.

Hon. Rindikiri.

The Member for Kiambaa.

Hon. Members, we are going back to the Committee of the whole House. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Chairlady (Hon. Gladys Boss) in the Chair] THE FINANCE BILL

Hon. Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Appropriation Bill (National Assembly Bill No.33 of 2024) and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bill No.25 of

Your time is up. Hon. Mulyungi, Mwingi Central.

Member for Butere.

Member for Sigor, Hon. Lochakapong.

Member for Migori, Hon. Fatuma.

Member for Mandera South, Hon. Abdul Haro.

Your time is up. Member for Westlands.

Hon. Mark Mwenje. 20th June 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30

Ng’elechei.

Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Bell for a further five minutes. (The Division Bell was rung) [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari) left the Chair] [The Speaker (Hon. Moses Wetang’ula) resumed the Chair]