Baya Owen Yaa

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I request you to indulge me before I lay the Papers. Go ahead. I want to congratulate you, Hon. Speaker, for being appointed Senior Counsel – a prestigious class of lawyers in this country. We are proud to have you as our Speaker and Senior Counsel....

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Hon. Deputy Speaker, we need to do it after recess. However, I will talk to the Committee’s Chair and see whether they can do something before and send a response on time. I am much obliged. 3rd December 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

Okay. Thank you. Much obliged. (Hon. Majimbo Kalasinga and Hon. Julius Melly consulted loudly) You can also ask the Member for Kabuchai, my friend, Hon. Kalasinga, and the Member for Tinderet to move to the room behind them, if they need to discuss in such high tones.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. We will respond immediately after we resume from recess. I will also ask the Chairman to ensure that the request is sent to the Ministry now. Thank you. 3rd December 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 5

I want to say this, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I heard my Chair and my good friend, who is very experienced, say that he disagrees with the Cabinet Secretary's response, yet he presented it here. That is a very serious matter for the Chair. You have a responsibility to bring factual...

On the same matter, Hon. Speaker, with utmost respect to you, the question of whether petitions should only go to the Public Petitions Committee or may be directed to other committees was once debated here at length. The Deputy Speaker was in the Chair then, and we agreed to await...

I am guided and much obliged. I add that such a ruling would help to avoid claims that petitions are being discriminated against or deliberately redirected. A reasoned ruling would guide everyone. Thank you.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I second the mediated version of the Coffee Bill, 2023, (Senate Bill No.10 of 2023) . The principal objective of this Bill is to provide for the development and regulation of the coffee industry in Kenya. This Bill proposes to re-organize the coffee industry by...

Thank you. That is a former mandarin of the National Treasury. He is my friend, and I enjoy working with him. That is why I take this opportunity to second not just him, but also the Motion he has just tabled. The 2010 Constitution did a very fundamental shift. All...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I second this Motion on the consideration of the Agreement for Establishing the Shelter Afrique Development Bank, ably moved by the Hon. Member. As we have heard from the Mover of the Motion, this is one way of establishing a bank that will help us finance housing...

I will inform the Chairman. Hon. Didmus Barasa was here, but he has left. However, I will let him know. How soon can they bring a response? I do not know whether Thursday is feasible because of the recess ahead. Can you ask them to try and see if they...

Hon. Speaker, I do not have a response now, but I can promise to get in touch. Can you ask Hon. G.K. to be here tomorrow afternoon to respond to this? Much obliged.

I am sure Members are excited about the swearing-in ceremony. Can you ask him if he is ready to bring a response on Thursday afternoon? I will ask him. Much obliged.

Yes, Hon. Speaker. Today does not look like a very good day. Our chairpersons are out celebrating and probably inducting the new Members. I promise to follow up on the matter so that tomorrow you give us time to respond to the issues raised. I beg your indulgence. Please respond...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We may need to up the volume on this microphone because we cannot hear what she is saying.

Thank you very much. As I move this Motion, Hon. Speaker, I request the Hon. Otiende Amollo to second. So, I request him to be prepared. Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, noting that this House will be proceeding for a long recess from Friday, 5th...

Hon. Speaker, you texted me two days ago and asked whether my Bill had been challenged in Court. My Bill was assented to and lost in Court. I was taken aback a little bit. I explained one or two things, but I want to put something on record. We research...

It is Hon. Zainab. Leader of the Majority Party office, where is she? We have no official communication on where she is. However, she should have communicated with us. She knows that she needs to communicate with us. Hon. Speaker, I request that we stand down the Motion.

Thank you. I take this opportunity to second this Motion moved by the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Labour and Social Welfare Committee, Hon. Ken Chonga. Labour migration in this country is not really a new phenomenon, but I think this Government has picked it up and made it...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give a Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee, which met yesterday, 18th November 2025 to prioritise business for consideration during the week. As you had previously communicated, His Excellency the President is...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We do not expect a Cabinet Secretary to defy a call to appear before Parliament. I also want to note that I saw the aforementioned Cabinet Secretary in the Senate this morning. His refusal to appear before the National Assembly is a slight against this House....

(Kilifi North, UDA) : Hon. Speaker, they must honour that responsibility. Therefore, we invite you to impose a huge penalty on them so that they do not ever again defy invites from this House. I also want to speak when the Prime Cabinet Secretary is here. We expect Cabinet Secretaries...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, this Motion was comprehensively debated. What was the issue was the amendment. There has been a general agreement on it. Therefore, it is important that we move under Standing Order 95 and conclude debate on this matter and move to the next. I thank you. Is that...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, thank you. It is important to note that this is a Bill by the Leader of the Majority Party. It is also important that I give an opportunity to Hon. Kajwang’ to move the Bill then I will second it. The Committee has done a lot of...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also take this opportunity to thank Hon. TJ Kajwang’ for helping with moving this Bill. As it stands, this Bill is a new frontier in the remuneration of judges in this country. It is a new ground to put our judges on a pedestal...

You have made your point and I, thank you. It is okay to correct the leader, and I encourage you to do that. Another important thing in the Bill is that it contains additional non-pension benefits such as transport allowance, medical cover, diplomatic passports and lounge access. These are fundamental...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, the debate is enriching and very important. This is one piece of legislation that I would request we give more Members an opportunity to contribute. I want to stand, therefore, on Standing Order 96, that we adjourn this debate, probably after the latecomer contributes. Let us not...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I was asked to move this Motion on the consideration of Sessional Paper No.5 of 2024 on the National Green Fiscal 19th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43 A certified version of this Report (NDCs), and the National Climate Change Action Plans (NCCAPs). All guide the nation's...

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I thank every Member who has contributed to the debate on this Motion. This policy framework will help to anchor all laws related to the environment. It will also bring more money to the country through the use of the green energy. Hon....

Hon. Speaker, I join you in welcoming the team from Nigeria, even though they have already left the House. I am happy and excited that the strike by university lecturers is now over. I would like to particularly thank the Departmental Committee on Education, led by Hon. Melly, for participating...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. It is good to be back after the short recess. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: Reports of the Auditor-General and the Financial Statements for the year ended 30th June 2025, and the certificates therein respect of:

Yes, Hon. Speaker. I am in touch with the Cabinet Secretary. He is studying the whole scenario and will give us a statement tomorrow.

Obliged, Hon. Speaker.

Much obliged, Hon. Speaker.

First, I would like to inform counsel, a very learned man, to move beyond that and amend the law instead of simply throwing them out. The law allows Parliament to follow up by taking certain steps, but as it stands, the law is that we bring them here and annul...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the Pyrethrum (Repeal) Bill, (National Bill No. 40 of 2024) , and its approval thereof without amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise under Standing Order 95…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, just like Hon. Makali Mulu has said, I want to put a disclaimer that we do not grow tea where I come from. However, when we were in school, we were told that tea and tourism were some of the high foreign exchange earners. As a country,...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to tell Hon. Muriu, if he insists on his people to grow tea and he ensures his... (Hon. Geoffrey Wandeto spoke off the record)

Hon. Wakili Muriu is my friend. I was there. I know almost all his four homes. I have been there campaigning for him and taking tea in his house. He is a wealthy man. God has blessed him and he is sharp. He is a brilliant person. Hon. Owen, back...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to let the Member for Gatanga know that the Standing Orders do not allow anyone to use information from newspapers to support a point in this House. If his only justification for what Hon. Kiunjuri has raised in the point of order is that the...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, following the Presidential Proclamation issued on 15th October 2025 regarding the passing on of the Rt. Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga, EGH, the former Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya, and pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 259D (1)...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House:

I would like to weigh in on this matter as the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Education, Hon. Melly, has put it well. The matter of school capitation is important. It is a dire issue. Schools have not received capitation and yet, they are about to close. Supplies to...

Let me correct that. I would like to know if he misled the House. Let me use that adage, “mislead the House?”

Hon. Speaker, much obliged.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House:

I think Hon. Sawa Tandaza is walking in and he will lay the Paper. (Hon. Owen Baya spoke off the record) 8th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. On behalf of the Members of Parliament I welcome all the schools and guests to this honourable House. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following papers on the Table:

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. This matter has been before this House. I actually raised it earlier, and a decision was made and approved. There is already a circular to that effect. If the same question is raised again and a Statement is demanded, then calling the Cabinet Secretary to...

What we will get is mere rhetoric. The Cabinet Secretary will explain himself and all that, but the problem will persist. I previously suggested in this House that we must delink tuition from examinations. They are handled by different entities. The Kenya National Examinations Council should have its own process,...

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. (Hon. Owen Baya rose in his place)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I apologise. Hon. Baya, I know you as a gentleman so when you heckle I get worried. I am sorry, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I support Hon. Donya to some extent. I would also like to grow coffee and tea in Kilifi County and I want better prices....

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, what is it? We have been here long enough to understand Members of Parliament who will come back and those who will not. Hon. Muhia cannot run away from failure by invoking the name of the...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to thank the Chairman, Hon. Wangwe, for a job well done and for the detailed presentation. This is what we expect from Chairpersons. I also want to acknowledge the Committee, including my friend, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, the great man from Kwanza—who is a...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is what should happen. If you are a CEO and you have been surcharged, you should not continue to hold public office. If an audit committee or the Auditor-General recommends that you should be surcharged, it is a sign that you are mismanaging the organisation. The...

I expect that in those three months, those reports will move to the Committee on Implementation. It has a duty to take care of the nation and report back here that they have reprimanded a certain CEO, and recommended that they be removed from their position because of mismanagement. That...

When the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture is preparing budgets for these State Corporations next time, because you have done the audit, you should write to the Chairpersons of the Departmental Committees and tell them that a particular state corporation should not be given money because...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am not shy from directing this House that state corporations which lose money should not be given money in the next budget. Chief Executive Officers (CEOs) who have misappropriated funds should not still be in position in the next budget cycle to receive money and waste...

That is why…. Just a moment…. That brings me to my next point. 7th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 A

Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is actually my next point.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I request that you add me five more minutes to conclude. What the 13th Parliament has tried to do is, redeem the backlog of committee reports. Before the 13th Parliament, we used to have only one Public Investments Committee. It was very difficult to ensure that all...