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Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I thank the three judges for last week’s judgment. We have a new Constitution that we keep testing. It also 11th February 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG)guides us on how we run our affairs...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) On a point of order.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I was mentioned by Hon. Junet.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I just need to mention something. Hon. Junet claims to be the Secretary-General of the Azimio Coalition. Could he tell this House today where the Azimio Coalition’s office is in this country? (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. I would like to thank the three judges… (Loud consultations)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Startup Bill (Senate Bill No.14 of 2022) and approved the same with amendment.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. (Dr) Oundo, you need to plant more trees especially in Odiado Hills. You need to get the best species for Odiado Hills. Let us hear the Member for Moiben.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How many years do you have to wait before you make that quick money? Hon. Phylis Bartoo (Moiben, UDA) : Within two years. It is very lucrative because within two years, you get money, firewood and shade. In places where trees take a long...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Umulkher Harun. 13th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Wajir North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. You can lay the Papers. (Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba laid the Papers on the Table) Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I confirm that we have quorum. We can proceed. Call out the Orders. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR PRESENCE OF DELEGATION FROM PARLIAMENT OF UGANDA IN SPEAKER’S ROW The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Take your seats. Hon. Members, I wish to make...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Correct.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have also been to Rusinga Girls High School. Chairlady of Constitution Implementation Oversight Committee, Hon. Wamuchomba, Member for Githunguri, you have business in the House this afternoon. I hope you are aware. I assume that you are the Chairlady of the Constitution Implementation...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Proceed to lay. (Hon. (Dr) John K. Mutunga laid the Paper on the Table) Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives, Hon. Gakuya. He seems not to be in. Hon. Marianne, are you the one standing...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed to lay. (Hon. Marianne Kitany laid the Paper on the Table) Finally, let us have Hon. Murugara, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. NOTICE OF ADJOURNMENT ON A MATTER OF URGENT NATIONAL IMPORTANCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SOCIAL HEALTH INSURANCE FUND The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Rangwe, move your notice of Motion. 12th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members! Kindly consult in low tones. Hon. Members, this notice of Motion is to discuss the status of SHIF. I confirm that the Member has the requisite support and, therefore, I direct that the debate on this matter begins at six o'clock...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Junet?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, but there is nothing like “SHU.” Hon. Wamuchomba, what is out of order? If it is about the timing, then the point has been ably made by Hon. Junet. We need to hold our horses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kangogo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will make a ruling on this. Hon. Members, looking at the Order Paper, I direct that the notice given by Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo, the Member for Rangwe, will be considered at five o'clock or upon the conclusion of Order No.11, whichever comes...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I saw the Chairperson of the concerned Committee here. This request is directed to the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Yes, Hon. Tongoyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Two weeks?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Why is it in two weeks’ time and not in a week’s time?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)The two-week timeframe has

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Nyaribari Masaba. INSECURITY IN NYARIBARI MASABA

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tongoyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thursday, next week makes a lot of sense. Not two weeks. Thank you. Hon. Manduku, it is Thursday, next week. (Hon. Julius Sunkuli spoke off the record) There is nothing out of order on that issue Hon. Sunkuli. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tongoyo, you have heard. Hon. Sunkuli say that they have nothing to do with donkeys. Do not involve them on issues of donkeys. That is well said. Hon. Manduku, take it up with the Chairperson. He says he will bring a Statement on...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Chairperson of Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Is the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee or the Leader of the Majority Party present? This is a very urgent matter that requires immediate action. We cannot see the Chairperson or the Vice-Chairperson...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member from Kiambu, take it up with the Whip of the Majority Party so that the relevant Committee is informed accordingly.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kitui Central, Dr Makali Mulu. STATUS OF COMPENSATION TO MASTER SIMON MUEMA FOR SEVERE INJURIES SUSTAINED FROM ELECTROCUTION

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. This request is directed to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Energy. Is the Chairperson present? I can see Hon. Kawaya, or is it Hon. Vincent Musau, in the House. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The next one week is great. Hon. Makali, I think that is fair. Next is the Member for Kipipiri. The Questions appearing on the Order Paper of today as No.5 and No.6 are deferred to a later date. (Questions deferred) Go ahead. POINT OF...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is very serious. (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. That is a fair comment on the matter. 12th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 10

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. TJ Kajwang’, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Use the microphone next to you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. We are not going to debate Questions or Statements this afternoon. The next request for a Statement is by the nominated Member, Hon. Irene Mayaka. DECLARATION OF CERTAIN AREAS IN NYAMIRA COUNTY AS PROTECTED AREAS AND NATIONAL MONUMENTS

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Kawanjiku, as you walked in, I am sure you heard the displeasure of the membership and leadership about the attendance of the chairpersons and vice-chairpersons of committees in the House. I hope you heard the displeasure and you will deal with...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Before I go to responses, there is a... (The Temporary Speaker consulted with the Clerks-at-the-Table) There are responses to requests for Statements to be issued by the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. The first response would be to a Statement requested...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! I am informed that Hon. Tandaza is not in the House and I do not know whether he assigned that to any other Member. If not, you can table the response and he will look at it when he comes to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are going to do that next. Is the Member for Saboti in the House? Hon. Amisi? These responses will be tabled accordingly and Members thereof lose any right to come and demand them on the Floor of the House. The responses to those...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not have any minutes to donate to anybody. Hon. Members, you have heard what Hon. Toto has said happened at Longisa. All of us watched the news in horror. We will not debate this, but I will give a chance to the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Members. That marks the end of Questions and Statements. I have been moved by the Chairman of the National 12th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Government Constituencies Development Committee that he has an announcement to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Hon. Kenneth Tungule raised his hand) Does the Hon. Member raising his hand not have a card? (Hon. Kenneth Tungule spoke off the record) I cannot see you on the screen since you do not have a card. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawanjiku, the Member for Kiambaa, the Statement being raised by the Member on his feet is for you.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The report should be tabled this week, on Thursday afternoon.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. THE KENYA ROADS BOARD (AMENDMENT) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, debate on the Second Reading of this Bill was concluded. Therefore, it is time to decide. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before you move, does the Board then have five members or there are other members of the Board?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, join me in recognising and welcoming students from Ngoswani Boarding Community School, Narok West Constituency in Narok County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this evening. (Hon. TJ Kajwang’ spoke off the record) Hon. TJ, are you contributing?

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) As I sit down, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I also want us to ask ourselves a question as the National Assembly. I am doing this with deep respect for fellow Hon. Members. That, when the Senate is discussing Shakahola and what happened here on 25th June...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) That is the position, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We have said this before. That the senators are misguided in believing that the National Government-Constituencies Development Fund (NG-CDF) belongs to Members of Parliament. It belongs to wananchi. No single Member of Parliament is allowed to sign a...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I could not agree more with the Hon. Senior Mr. Samuel Chepkong’a. But I want us to look at it from a different angle as you deliver the ruling. That the Senate, in their thirst and hunger for fame, bonga points and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed to wind up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is not your role at all. You know that very well. Next is the Member for Uasin Gishu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kakai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Oundo, two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kesses, two minutes also.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Emathe you have one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Member. Hon. Mogaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose, I will add you 30 seconds to wind up your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Chesumei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Caroli. Can you withdraw what you just said? What did you say?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Caroli. This chance goes to the Member for Nairobi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly. You will have the last word on this.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, your presiding Chair for today went to Moi University. As I sit here listening to the Report by Hon. Melly, I can tell you for sure that the Report is so underwhelming. There is nothing you will achieve with that Report. What...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Donya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I think so much has been said about Moi University so far. Hon. Chairman, you have your work cut out and I wish you all the best. Before we go to the next Order, I want to give the Hon. Member for Kisii County...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it true that he left in 2013?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The daughter is not dead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I will give three Members two minutes each, for a chance to speak. Hon. Onchoke!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Melly, you wanted to say something on this subject.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I knew Hon. Opore. He was a gentleman and an old man of the House. Let us observe a moment of silence. (The House observed a moment of silence) 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 17 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)May the Lord...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Well done. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUESTS FOR STATEMENTS Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is Hon. Cecilia, the Member for Turkana County in the House? Go ahead. URGENT INTERVENTIONS FOR RESIDENTS AFFECTED BY CROCODILE 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is Hon. Lochakapong in the House? The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Regional Development, the request for a Statement is accordingly committed to that Committee. I can see the Member for Turkana Central. I cannot see your card. Please press the intervention button.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, Hon. Emathe. Go ahead.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mbai. 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Is Hon. Mbiuki or any Member of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife in the House? I would like to order that this Statement be processed jointly by the Departmental Committee on Regional Development and the Departmental Committee on Tourism and...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs, this is a very straightforward request. I am sure you have listened to it. How soon can you respond?

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Liaise with the Member. 18th October 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 4 STATUS OF EVICTION OF GONA FAMILY FROM LAND REGISTERED LR NO. MN11783 BY MAHMOUD ON 11TH OCTOBER 2024

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chonga, you have heard the response? Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') That is very well said. This is a straightforward matter. It would be okay if the Chairman could help Hon. Chonga and his constituents get the body buried. As for now, I do not know what you would want to say about that as...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairman, the Ministry of Interior and National Administration will have a role to play if there is no order barring the burial and someone stopping the burial. Hon. Chonga says that there is no court order barring the burial. You need to get...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member on the aisle, take a seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let Hon. Wanami have the first bite because it was his Statement. Thank you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not have a committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You know Kenyans do not… When you put abbreviations and say ‘my committee’…

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, the closure of Moi University is disheartening. There is neither urgency nor any effort that is made towards its immediate re- opening. This is a scandal. As the Ministry and the Committee concerned bring a proper statement to this House, can they tell...

(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Mover.

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’)I would allow any intervention, if there is any. Yes, Hon. Milemba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Yes,

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Thuku.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered Senate amendments to the Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 21 of 2023) , and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Member for Endebess.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Butula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Parliament for Soy.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. You came prepared for this debate. Is the Member for Central Imenti in the House? He already spoke. The Member for Tharaka also spoke. The Member for Wajir North, Hon. Ibrahim Saney.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, what is it?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is the mood of the House that we call the Mover to reply? The Hon. Sonko Nelson Koech, you have a chance to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Your request that the decision on this Motion be made the next time it is put on the Order Paper is acceded to; we will vote on it when it appears next in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Millie.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Next is the Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. We have time to listen to the Member for Githunguri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the matter raised by the Member for Suba South is self-explanatory. As you know, when that happens, my hands get tied. I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. I would have loved to give Hon. Kitur a chance but what will he be contributing on? You have already made your closing argument. You have replied. You should have given him a chance before you started replying. Hon. Kitur,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is your point of order, Member for Suba South?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you too. Hon. Members, there being no further interest on this Bill, I call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Mukurweini.