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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it the mood of the House that we ask the Mover to reply to this Motion?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS HIGH FREQUENCY OF ACCIDENTS ALONG THE LIKONI-LUNGA-LUNGA HIGHWAY.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I saw the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in the House this morning. Is the Vice-Chairperson in? Hon. Osoro, this will be under your charge. How long do you think the Committee will take to respond to this request for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Please proceed as you suggested. The answer should be given in two weeks. The Member for Eldas is in the House. Please proceed with your request for a Statement. KALA-AZAR VIRUS OUTBREAK IN WAJIR COUNTY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, I see the Member for Seme is in the House. Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, I hope you realise that you are now the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health. The Member for Endebess is no longer the Chairperson. The request for a Statement...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed with the request; do not lecture him yet. 9th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No. Proceed with the Statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You cannot go beyond that, Hon. Member. You know this very well. I have allowed you to read beyond what you gave to the Table Office, so I request that you read it the way it is.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Before I ask the Member for Seme to say something on this Statement, the Member for Marsabit, Hon. Waqo, has something to add.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nyikal, why will you take two weeks?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Within two weeks.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This can be tomorrow or next Tuesday.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) From what you have heard, this is an emergency. You are probably aware that there is already a testing machine as you enter Isiolo County. I have been told there is a testing place where people are being tested for this Kala-azar Virus. This...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is why I am asking why you are pushing it to two weeks if you can get it in three days.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Between you and me, I am the lawyer.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) When?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Member for Eldas.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, fair enough. Member for Endebess.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Eldas, this is not a matter of argument.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Member for Seme. (Hon. Adan Keynan spoke off the record) Order, Member for Eldas. It will not be trivialised. Take your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The record is quite straight because I listened to you. Member for Seme, the response to this Statement will be brought up on Tuesday afternoon. Even as you stand to give the clarification, ensure that it is brought on Tuesday. Today is Wednesday. This...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is good progress and fair enough. We look forward to getting this response as soon as possible, but not later than Tuesday next week. Members, for the convenience of the House and following consultations with the leadership, we will dispense with Order No....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order? Give the microphone to the Member for Kirinyaga Central.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. We just called a new Order, and I do not see how what you are asking relates to the Order we just called. Hon. Joseph Gitari (Kirinyaga Central, UDA) : I had called for a write-up before then, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Temporary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Endebess Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Alego Usonga Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. Take your seat. (Question, that the Mover be now called to reply, put and agreed to) Hon. Member for Alego Usonga Constituency, you can now reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT) BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kimani Kuria.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I would like to know whether you come from the same place as Hon. Kuria Kimani. Give the Leader of the Majority Party 30 seconds to tell me where he comes from. I thought it was Kikuyu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) So, whose son is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kuria Kimani, you can speak for yourself on this matter.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Maybe Hon. Kimani wanted to claim some credit. So, your Christian name is Francis?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, before I propose the Question for the Bill to be debated, join me in welcoming students from Jabali Primary and Junior Secondary School, Kiambaa Constituency, Kiambu County, and students from Save Our Souls Junior Secondary School, Nyali, Mombasa County. They...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. The Member for Buuri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Member for Kitui Rural, I want to deny you this chance because you do not trust the system. You should trust the system next time and stay in your seat. I would have skipped you if I were not having a good morning. I...

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) I yield the Floor to him, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is the longest I have had to wait to speak. I agree with Hon. Junet, who is my friend, on all he has said. The Senate amendments to the Houses of Parliament (Bicameral Relations) Bill are all in bad faith and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I now call upon the Chairperson to report to the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Mover, Hon. Atandi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, we will defer the putting of the Question to the next time the House sits. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE EXCISE DUTY (AMENDMENT) BILL 8th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 52 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I have listened to the Member for Funyula. Therefore, I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I order the Bell to be stopped. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow Hon. Kaluma one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Homa Bay Town Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I see the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Owen Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) They are forgiven.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Students clapped for Hon. George Sunkuyia) We do not allow the guests to clap. Hon. Sunkuyia, I do not know what you told your students but, next time, they should not clap. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members. Seated in the Speaker's Gallery are students visiting from St. Gertrude Kinthithe Secondary School of Runyenjes Constituency in Embu County; and seated in the Public Gallery are students from Oloirien Junior School of Kajiado West Constituency in Kajiado. They are...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next in line is Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Butere.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gatanga, what is that? Go ahead, Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Gatanga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, seated in the Speaker’s Gallery are students from Christ the King School in Nakuru East, Nakuru County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Join me in welcoming them to the august House. Thank you. Hon. Maero Oyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the decision on this Motion will be made the next time it will be listed in the Order Paper for obvious reasons. Next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tindi Mwale, I am sure you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, we are 43rd in the ratification of the agreement. Other countries are already on board. We have delayed. The Corporation is already working. That is why we are expediting the ratification of the agreement. Hon. Members, there being no further interest to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, did you want to speak on this? Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Yes. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal (Seme, ODM) ]: Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Add him one more minute to finalise.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Saku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Garissa Town, Hon. Dekow. Where is your card?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Jackson Kosgei, do you want to say something on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Let us have the Mover, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members! You will vote the wrong way because you are not listening. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, there is an amendment.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Should I put the Question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) left the Chair)] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) in the Chair] CONSIDERATION OF SECOND SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/2025 VOTE 1173 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR CO-OPERATIVES 13th March 2025...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) If that is the feeling, I will, therefore, put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next Order. THE SUPPLEMENTARY APPROPRIATION BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover. Is it the Chairperson of the Liaison Committee or...

Hon. David Ochieng (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I hear Members. But Chair, some functions of Senate are not based on the number of Members in the Senate. There are things that would be done by Senate and National Assembly regardless of the number of Members....

Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (David Ochieng’)Hon. Oundo.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Supplementary Appropriation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.8 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No.2) , (National Assembly Bill No.26 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Insurance Professionals Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a request for statement by Hon. Onchoke. I have seen him in the House. Go ahead. Please, read the request for statement as it is. DRUG...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you shall not do what you are trying to do. (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Ruku. Hon. Onchoke shall be heard in silence. Hon. Ruku, you shall be silent as the Member puts his request for statement across....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I will allow a few comments on this. Hon. Ruku, go up there, get your card, and then I will allow you to speak.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead and insert your card, Hon. Ruku. You can now proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Can we allow Hon. Munyoro to say something? This is not a debate! You have had your chance.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, do you consider cigarettes a drug?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not say ‘sig-ret’! You say ‘si-guh-ret’.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I have asked you a question. Would you consider a cigarette a drug or not?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have ‘General’ Bashir.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mutuse.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Order! Hon. Ruku, take your seat. Hon. Mutuse, take your seat. Hon. Members, I am not going to throw anybody out of Parliament this morning. (Loud consultations)Committee on Education in the House? Go ahead, Hon. Gisairo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. The next request for statement is by Hon. Peter Mbogho, the Member for Mwatate. UNFAIR DISMISSAL OF MR. PAUL MZENGE BY THE KENYA PORTS AUTHORITY

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, I cannot see the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Labour in the House. Would you take charge of this? I hope you got the request for statement.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) How long will this take?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it possible to get an answer during the first week after we resume from recess?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Peter, you will take it up with him so that it is addressed at the right time. CONSTRUCTION OF KIREGE-FOREST-MUBUKURO ROAD IN CHUKA/IGAMBANG’OMBE 12th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 6 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Chuka/Igambang’ombe. Hon. Patrick Ntwiga...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, before we move to the next Statement, join me in welcoming students from the following schools: (Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. ORDINARY QUESTIONS DISMISSAL OF MRS JANET KADZO OF TSC NO. 468522 BY THE TEACHERS SERVICE COMMISSION The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I have two Questions to the Independent Offices and Commissions. The first one is by Hon. Baya, the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Education, which shall summon the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of TSC to deal with the matter. 12th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 8 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Is Hon. Kasalu in the House? I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. That is a very weighty issue that has been raised by the Member for Kitui County. There are ladies who are married in counties where they cannot be employed because they cannot produce marriage certificates. I hope the Departmental Committee on Education...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Owen Baya. Take your seat. Hon. Ngogoyo, what do you want to say?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, this is your Motion. So, what is your point of order? Hon. Dawood, let us hear what Hon. Baya has to say.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is it a point of order or do you want to argue?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Baya. Take your seat. This is a Motion, and you are debating it. You cannot say that a Member has bad manners simply because he has a view that is opposed to yours. Hon. Dawood, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have Hon. Sabina Chege.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He is not Ngogoyo. He is Hon. Ngogoyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Last to speak on this is Hon. Makali Mulu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Baya, I am sure you sit in the House Business Committee. Do you sit in the House Business Committee?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Baya, just take your seat. What Hon. Makali is raising is very important. That every time the Majority side borrows for Private Member's Bill, they should refund that time. That is the issue he is raising. I hope that the Leadership has listened...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gladys, we had gone through these recommendations. So, you can just say, ‘As per the Order Paper’ because everything you are mentioning is in the Order Paper.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes, go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done, Hon. Chairperson. Hon. Members, before Hon. Martha Wangari seconds, join me in welcoming pupils and students from Sheria House School from Starehe Constituency, Nairobi County; Kiriani Boys High School from Maara Constituency, Tharaka Nithi County; Kasue Girls Secondary School from Kibwezi West...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, as you are aware, this Motion was moved in an amended form. (Question of the Motion as amended proposed) Deputy Leader of Majority Party, it is now your turn.

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Hon. Speaker, I hereby second. (Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba and Hon. Suleka Harun walked into the Chamber)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Melly, the Member of Funyula is making his point. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He is debating. He will debate using his own words, not yours. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Uasin Gishu wants to inform you. Do you want to be informed?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) We will allow the Honourable Member for Funyula to finish his speech.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Endebess Constituency. Hon. Baya, you just walked in. Some Members have been queuing since we started.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Please add him 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Kilifi North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It is 2036. 5th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 106

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Mbeere North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Oundo?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Proceed, Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, there being no further interest in the Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply. Proceed, Hon. Gladys Boss.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, for obvious reason, the decision on this Motion will be made when it next appears on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Under Standing Order 35, it does not matter what is to be discussed next. It is on its own. I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) 5th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 110 ADJOURNMENT The...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Murugara, Hon. Tindi Mwale, Hon. Rindikiri and Hon. Makilap could you all take your seats. Consult in low tones so that we can hear the Member contributing.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. We are discussing a very important Motion. I wish that we hear the Member in silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will give you one more minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You do not catch the eye of the Speaker by doing that. You know that very well. You do it by logging in. I will follow the table that is here. The first person is Hon. George Gitonga Murugara. Do you want to contribute...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Murugara your chance was lost because you were busy. Allow the Leader of the Majority Party to contribute first and then you contribute after him.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kangogo, I will not tire of reminding you. I came to this House on 28th March 2013. You are not the person speaking now. You cannot be between him and the Speaker when he is contributing. You cannot.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Before you sit, what will happen to them if they do not actualise? This is not the first time we are talking about the TSA. What will happen to them?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! This is will be a House resolution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This is your chance Hon. Murugara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Kitui Central.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is Hon. Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will give you 30 seconds. You do not have the whole... (Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga Kanyuithia spoke off the record) You should not be highlighting anything. You should be winding up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Marakwet East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Yatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. (Dr) Pukose, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Robert, your namesake is Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose. The younger Hon. Robert, could you relate to us what you are saying with the debt strategy?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! No! The rules say that a Member who contributes must be relevant. He is asking how harambee contributions are relevant to the Medium-Term Debt Management Strategy. That is the issue.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You are completely out of order on that. Please, proceed and prosecute your point.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Tinderet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Why should you have one minute? Okay, you have one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') If you have the Order Paper, Questions will follow the pattern they appear on the last page. I hope Hon. Joyce Kamene is in the House ready with her Question. You already have the microphone with you, Hon. Joyce Kamene. EFFECTS OF WITHDRAWAL OF...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Owino, go back and do the right thing. (Hon. Walter Owino went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair) This request shall be referred to the Departmental Committee on Health. I do not see the Chairperson. Is there any Member of that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nairobi, you have two minutes to comment on the request.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Who is Uhuru Kenyatta?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, this statement request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Health. I hope they can bring a report in the next three weeks. Before I give a chance to the Member for Nairobi again, join me in recognising and welcoming students...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') This Request for a Statement is referred to the Committee on Health. Deputy Whip of the Majority Party, I want your attention because the next time these matters come up, I will not ask the Chairpersons. I will ask you about them. The first...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) When?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that three weeks from today?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I hope the Member for Nairobi City County has noted that. The next request is from the Member for West Mugirango. STATE OF PREPAREDNESS FOR THE WET SEASON

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nairobi, I request that you take your seat for a few minutes. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Beatrice Elachi, do you want to comment on this request for a Statement? Go ahead. You have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Naomi Waqo, there seem to be no Chairpersons in the House today. What we expect on this one is a comprehensive Statement covering not only Kisii but the entire country, holistically. What is our preparedness for the wet season for the whole country?...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You can go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Member for Mwala Constituency. Is this the Member for Mwala? What is wrong with you? From 28th March 2013 until now, you still do not know what to do? You cannot do that, Hon. Vincent Kawaya. Do the right thing.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makilap, you should not walk without your card. Where is your card? Go ahead. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, the time allotted for debate on this Bill has lapsed. It is now my chance to call the Mover of the Bill, Hon. Masara, to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Masara, you can proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Dr Masara, end by saying: ‘I beg to reply.’

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Thank you and well said, Dr Masara.(Putting of the question deferred)Hon. Members, his request for deferment of the Question on this Bill at Second Reading is granted. The putting of the Question is deferred to the next time the Bill will be slotted in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Otiende, I thought this is a Joint Report. What is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Otiende, was the other Report you are referring to tabled and debated in this House?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Has it been debated? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) My direction on this matter is that we shall proceed, and the next time this Report is scheduled for debate, we will give communication on the issue Hon. Otiende has raised.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Please, allow him to finish his sentence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I wanted to give some direction. Hon. Otiende, has your issue been addressed? (Hon. Wanjiku Muhia spoke off the record) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wanjiku, I have heard you and noticed that you are here. Hon. Otiende, you addressed an issue...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I assume your Report was supposed to inform this one.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Yes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) For purposes of this debate, I will allow Members who are inclined to refer to the earlier Report to do so. As the Chairperson has said, the Report that you are debating today is a product of the latter Report. The Committee harmonised the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Muhia, insert your card in the intervention slot so that I can give you an opportunity to prosecute your point of order. Just get your card. There are staff members over there. You can send them to get your card so that you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Muhia get your card, come back, and I will give you an opportunity to prosecute your point of order. Go ahead, Hon. Mutuse.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow him to finish his sentence. My advice to the Clerk-at-the-Table is that it is good to allow a Member to finish the sentence before cutting them off on the time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli, what has been rejected?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) From what I read in the Report, they said they support. They are only deferring the implementation.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order. It is good to debate so that Kenyans are informed. Hon. Murugara, you can give us the page in the Report where the Committee accepted that proposal. The only thing they call overly ambitious is the proposal to implement it in this term...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli, I will give you more time on this. I want you to read paragraph 88 in page 17.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you and well said. The Member for Siaya County, Hon. Ombaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member coming in, go back to the Bar, bow and then walk in.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Correct. Allow him three more minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Thank you. Hon. Otiende Amollo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Sabina Chege must do the right thing in the House.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go on, Hon. Otiende.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Use what you have first.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Narok North, you want to speak on this matter? Hon. Pareyio, you requested to speak on this matter?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Allow the Member to finish.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Of course, we shall have Quorum. Therefore, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for the next five minutes. (The Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerk-at-the-Table) Okay. The Quorum Bell shall be rung for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Temporary Speaker...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Members, join me in welcoming and recognising the presence of students from St. Thomas Aquinas Kyaani Secondary School, Kibwezi West, Makueni County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. Members, you should show your appreciation by stumping your feet. (Members stumped their...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next on the list is the Member for Busia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Let us have the Member for Kitui West. Is she in the House? It seems she is not. Let us have the Member for Kisii. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Baya? (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) No! The Member has a choice of words to use. She has already said she did not like the situation. It would be worse if you ask her to describe the activities she mentioned. Hon. Donya, you have a choice. Proceed to argue your...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) To the Member walking towards the Chair, that is not your place to walk on. You are not supposed to block the Speaker from seeing the Member who is speaking. Please go back and walk behind her.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Caroli, I am holding you to this because you are reading the Report of the Committee selectively. If you read paragraphs 88 and 89, it states that they agree with the Report and the two-thirds gender rule should be implemented through party lists....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is nothing out of order, Hon. Otiende. You are a senior here and you know the rules. She has just completed her contribution. There is nothing out of order. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Adipo has his mouth and legs. I am sure he can speak for himself, and walk. Hon. Adipo, do you confirm that you are seeking exemption? 4th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member from Kisii, Hon. Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mayaka knows better than Hon. Otiende in this kind of matter. (Laughter)

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you so much, Hon. Speaker. The issue we are dealing with, for me, is both structural and legal. At times, it has been fuelled by the courts. I have said here and I want to repeat that in the USA, for over 20 years...