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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, confirm whether we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Deputy Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is the situation now Clerk? Are we okay? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) No. Let us first clear with Question 47.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, it is your turn now to respond to the Member. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is always very nostalgic to be back home. I consider the Senate my home even more...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. You now have the opportunity to ask two questions. Maybe you can allow other Members to ask their questions, if you want to settle down first. Sen. Seki, proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Cabinet Secretary (CS) , please, respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, first of all, this is part of the roads in the country that were constructed under low volume seal. You will agree with me...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. CS, please, respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the El Nino phenomena is a big problem now, and this is a whole topic on its own. The northern part of the country is severely affected....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, that is a very direct question. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is not that I do not want to answer the question. However, I need your guidance even if it is not now,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senator, kindly be specific in your supplementary question.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I think that is a similar question that Sen. Seki had asked. However, I can give just one minute on that dilapidated road. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : It is not true, as the Senator has said, that KeNHA did...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, you may respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Following your directions, I will just be brief. That road is extremely important; it is strategic. Konza Techno Polis is a Silicon Savannah and it is very important for us...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Tobiko, I also want to understand. Do you mean the road is continuous from the Ukambani side, crosses the tarmac and then the other side is continuous?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is a point of order from Sen. Kavindu Muthama.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kavindu Muthama, that was a point of information not a point of order. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, while I agree with Sen. Tobiko that a number of roads have been done in Machakos County...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Cabinet Secretary proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : The bypass from Kitengela to Rongai is about 24 kilometers. It is at the design stage. At the moment we are at the same fate; we want to see how to...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Hon. Cabinet Secretary---

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let him answer because it is due.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree with the Senator of Tharaka-Nithi County, my friend Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. I have visited that road and his village when he was the Member...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Sen. Dullo. Sen. Gataya Mo Fire cannot concentrate. November 22, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 15

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, while I may not have an answer to why Tharaka Nithi County has been marginalized in the past, I have seen some people being jittery when I...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, we are doing so well. In the next 10 minutes, I will open the Floor up to 11.30 a.m. for Senators to ask any general supplementary questions. Cabinet Secretary, this is a direct one again. Please respond in two minutes. The Cabinet Secretary...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do you have any supplementary question?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Okay, ask Question No.060. COMMENCEMENT OF UPGRADING OF MURURI-KIUMBU ROAD IN MWEA CONSTITUENCY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Cabinet Secretary, please respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to state that the project for upgrading to bitumen standards of Sagana-Kathaka-Thiguku/Mururi–Urumandi-Ngucui-Mahigaiini-Nyamindi- Kianugu-Kiumbu all the way to Kangaita roads has commenced. However, the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The Cabinet Secretary, please respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on the compensation, I will follow up with Kenya National Highways Authority (KENHA) as to how many people have been documented to be compensated. These are...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, please respond. November 22, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 20 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen): Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I am pleased to appraise this House on the information sought regarding the status of the...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, can you be very specific on your question, not the history of voting.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Not the history of voting and what happened, just go specifically to what you need to be addressed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Those are very pertinent questions and they are very direct.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The best is to wait for the answer. You wait for it, then later on, you can react to it. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have maximum respect for Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, not just because...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. CS, please proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank my learned friend, Senator of Nairobi City County, for the clarification. I understood you initially to be asking about the passengers that are arriving. You...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale!

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I know you are talking to the people of Kakamega County, but the CS has requested Kakamega County leadership to have a meeting. That is where you can converse all these things.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us conclude that matter. What we can say is that your question is not satisfactorily answered. Then we have another opportunity for the CS to answer. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, two things: One, I...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kindly take two minutes, maximum. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Murkomen) : Okay, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. First of all, I thank my--- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, you know these are issues on El Nino. Just give a statement...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I can confirm that we now have quorum. Clerk, please proceed to call the first Order. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR STATE OF THE NATION ADDRESS TO PARLIAMENT BY HIS EXCELLENCY THE PRESIDENT...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Senate Minority Leader, you now have permission to second. I had not given you. Proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : I thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the guidance. I do agree with what my brother, Sen. Cheruiyot has said. (Question proposed)...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, is the Senate Majority Whip in order to revisit a debate which was closed on Tuesday, this week, as to whether we go Plenary or Committee? A resolution of the House was made that we go the Plenary way and there...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, is the Senate Majority Whip in order to revisit a debate which was closed on Tuesday, this week, as to whether we go Plenary or Committee? A resolution of the House was made that we go the Plenary way and there is no need to revisit...

Indeed, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it does not require any gainsaying to do so. You would be preaching to the choir. As far as the point of order is concerned, I would urge the Senator for Mombasa to learn from people who are more experienced. I, therefore, assure the people...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I do confirm that all the 67 Senators will have an opportunity to give these issues the fair justice they deserve. As women, we have said that it is going to give us a clear indication if it is women, leadership or incompetence issues...

Asante, Bw. Naibu wa Spika. Nashukuru kwa nafasi hii kwamba mhusika mkuu katika mchakato wa kubanduliwa nje ya kiti apewe nafasi hii kujieleza wazi, Wakenya wakisikiza. Vile vile, madai ambayo viongozi wa wadi wako nayo, waje wajieleze na stakabadhi zinazoweza kudhibitishwa na Seneti. Halafu, kama ni kunyolewa, watu waandae maji,...

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. First, we need to appreciate the good MCA from Narok County, who by approaching this House with a Petition, has demonstrated a lot of faith in the Senate. For an elected MCA to elect between the National Assembly and Senate and choose the Senate,...

So, if I was to look for a good Speaker, I will look for a man or a woman of integrity. This is because you can have a degree, including in law, but when you occupy the seat of the Speaker, you become a tragedy and a shame to the...

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)(The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.238(1), the Petition is committed to the Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights. In terms of Standing Order No. 238 (2), the Committee is required in not more than 60 calendar...

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Let me say it today that I am in this Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing. This Petition came before us. It was brought by the former tenants of Buxton Estate. When this tendering process was advertised, there was only one tenderer who tended...

tax-free. I do not know the kind of calculation they are making. The Government gives public land for free to an individual who then builds property at a commercial price which is unaffordable.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Sen. Lomenen is my witness. He bought two apartments measuring 104 square metre in...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me be very clear. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Can you use better wording to express yourself?

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I now welcome the Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management, Hon. Moses Kuria and his team. Welcome to the Senate. There is only one Question for you from Sen. (Dr.) Murango, Senator for Kirinyaga County. Sen. Veronica Maina will ask...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, proceed. I can see you have a comprehensive response. However, because of time, you can summarise it. I November 1, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 20 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)know your intellectual capacity of summarising so many things. This should be one of them.The...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Wamatinga.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, you can make your statement on that. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management (Hon. Kuria) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir and the Senator for Nyeri County. Indeed, we have pronounced ourselves on the new direction for the...

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Thank you, hon. Cabinet Secretary. Let us get another supplementary question from Sen. Kinyua.

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Cabinet Secretary, proceed to respond to this question. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance, and Delivery Management (Hon. Kuria) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I appreciate the question from the Senator from Laikipia County. I understand why he would be concerned about that. He...

The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Kathuri) Sen. Mbugua, I am not sure whether you want to join the NYS or you are talking on behalf of other young men who are abled differently. Hon. Cabinet Secretary please proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management (Hon....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next is Sen. Orwoba.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management (Hon. Kuria) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I appreciate the question from Sen. Orwoba. In terms of the policy for ensuring that we have got some ring-fenced allocation for...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. CS, you may respond to that question. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management (Hon. Kuria) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I appreciate the question from the hon. Senator. The policy framework for recruitment is based on the location level....

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Order, Sen. Cherarkey. You know that you are supposed to ask only one supplementary Question.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is no way that hardship allowance can be equated to NYS.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. CS, you may respond to that. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management (Hon. Kuria) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir and I want to appreciate the Question from the Senator of Nandi County. The Question is very pertinent because, indeed,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. CS, please proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management (Hon. Kuria) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, indeed, the issue of equity and equitability in the distribution of available employment opportunities in the public sector November 1, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 29...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. CS, please proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management (Hon. Kuria) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I appreciate that question from the Senator of Murang’a County. As I have mentioned, recruitment to the public service is November 1, 2023 SENATE...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management (Hon. Kuria) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I appreciate that question from the nominated Senator, Veronica Maina. It is not acceptable that this process has taken a year. It...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Clerk, do we have quorum? Serjeant-at- Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Clerk, kindly proceed to call the first order. CONSTRUCTION OF A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE AT CHIROMO, WAIYAKI WAY October...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Do we have any more papers to lay? Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS STATEMENTS October 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 2 REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENT BY TWO KENYANS IN CLIMBING MT. MANASLU IN NEPAL

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We have another statement by Sen. Crystal Asige. COMMEMORATION OF WORLD SIGHT DAY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. There is also a Statement by Sen. Mumma. PROPOSED INTRODUCTION OF SERVICE CHARGES AT HUDUMA CENTRES

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Yes, please. Proceed. STALLED RURAL ELECTRIFICATION PROJECTS IN ISIOLO COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Which date did you give?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I have two Communications to make. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION OF YOUNG FUTURE MOVEMENT FROM HOMA BAY COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. M.Kajwang, now that you have showed up in this House, the students behind me are from your county. Do you have a word for them for one or two minutes?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I wish to report to the Senate that pursuant to Standing Order 46 (3) and (4) , I received the following Message from the Speaker of the National Assembly with respect to the National Assembly's resolution on the extension of the mandate of...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I will commit all of them once we are through.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) The next Statement is by Sen. Shakilla Abdalla. October 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 11 UPGRADE OF LAMU AIRPORT

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. The Senator for Kisumu County has delegated his Statements to the Nominated Senator, Sen. Lemaletian. Sen. Lemaletian, how many Statements have you been allowed to read?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kindly, proceed. STATE OF COFFEE INDUSTRY IN KISUMU COUNTY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Hon. Senators, I urge other Senators to do what Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda has done. When you have Statements on the Order Paper and you are not available, you delegate to your colleagues. I thank Sen. (Prof) Tom Ojienda for the working chemistry...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Kindly proceed. STATE OF THE LIVESTOCK SECTOR IN KENYA

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Osotsi, please proceed. RECRUITMENT IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mwaruma, please proceed. You have two Statements. OPERATIONS OF THE KENYA NATIONAL LIBRARY SERVICES

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Mundigi. (Sen. Joe Nyutu consulted loudly)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Mundigi, you are protected. Please proceed to make your Statement. WELFARE OF TEACHERS WHO ADMINISTER AND MARK NATIONAL EXAMINATIONS

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Okiya Omtatah. FAILURE BY MINISTRY OF EDUCATION TO HARMONIZE ISSUANCE OF SCHOLARSHIPS NATIONWIDE

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Next Statement is by Sen. Githuku of Lamu County. OPEN MINES LEFT DURING GARSEN-LAMU ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Next is Sen. Wafula. OPERATIONAL VIABILITY OF MMUST, WEBUYE CAMPUS

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Crystal Asige. October 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 19 IMPLEMENTATION OF COURT ORDER MANDATING REGISTRAR OF TRADE UNIONS TO REGISTER KMU

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Olekina. NON-REMITTANCE OF DEATH AND DISABILITY BENEFITS TO PUBLIC SERVICE EMPLOYEES

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kibwana. ONGOING DEMOLITIONS AND REPORTS OF ILLEGAL LAND GRABBING OF LR NO. 7815/1, 10424, 10425, 8784/4, AND 8786 IN ATHI RIVER, MAVOKO CONSTITUENCY

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Last but not the least, Sen. Cherarkey?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Have you addressed your Statement? What are you telling me? Read the Statement as it is.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. Thank you. To summarize this session on Statements, I want to give at least two Senators to make general comments on all the Statements. Not on the Statement that you have made.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, if you need to make a comment on these Statements, you do so in two minutes. You do not need a lot of time like it is time for debate. Make your comment in two minutes. Proceed, Sen. Wafula.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Olekina

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let us hear from the Chair of the Committee on Lands, Environment and Natural Resources.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Wamatinga.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Joe Nyutu.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sorry, your time is up. Proceed, Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed Sen. Orwoba.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you. Sen. Kinyua proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Okay. Next Order. (The Clerk-At-The-Table approached the Chair) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) There is a Statement by the Senate Majority Leader. Senate Majority Whip kindly proceed. BUSINESS OF THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 31ST OCTOBER 2023

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kinyua, what is your point of order? Is it based on the Statement made on behalf of the Majority Leader?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Kinyua, hutapata nafasi kama hiyo tena, kama huwezi pongeza Spika ambaye anafanya kazi kuliko maseneta wote. Umekanyanga live wire. (Laughter) THE COUNTY ASSEMBLY SERVICES (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.34 OF 2023) October 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 31 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)First Reading THE...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Methu, you may have the Floor. October 19, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 32

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Hon. Senators, the reason that I might be very hesitant to conclude this business is that during debate, Senators give some input to the Motion. The only custodian of whatever happened is the chairperson of the Committee. I think it will be very unfair if we...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Majority Whip, what is your problem today? You have just said you were in a presidential function. Are you are still excited from meeting the President? What is out of order again?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Let the Senate Majority Whip be heard.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Miraj, you may proceed.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Miraj, since you have almost one hour to speak to your Bill, let me first recognise the visitors and then you will be heard uninterrupted for the time you want to speak. (Interruption of debate on Bill) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Miraj. (Resumption of debate on the Bill)

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Uasin Gishu County; Sen. Methu, Nyandarua County; Sen. Mungatana, MGH, Tana River County; Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. (Dr.) Murango, Kirinyaga County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita-Taveta County; Sen. Oketch Gicheru, Migori County; Sen. Olekina, Narok County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen....

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Digital Health Bill (National Assembly Bills No.57 of 2023) and its approval thereof without amendments. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who is the Mover of this Bill? Proceed, the Senate Majority Leader.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)Thang’wa, Kiambu County; Sen. Wakili Sigei, Bomet County; Sen. Wamatinga, Nyeri County; and, Sen. Wambua, Kitui County.Teller for Ayes: Sen. Nyamu.

I request Sen. Oketch Gicheru to second.

(Question proposed)I second.(Questioned put and agreed to) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover? Proceed, Senate Majority Leader.

I beg to move that the County Government Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bills No.23 of 2023) be now a read a Third Time. I request Sen. Methu to second. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Methu? October 12, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 71

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. (Question proposed) So, Senators, I will not put the question now. I will put all the questions together. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, having moved a Motion to extend time to conclude business listed at...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I can correct even using this. Allow me to take that again. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Digital Health Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 57 of 2023) , be now read a Third time. I request Sen. Methu to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. (Question proposed) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Division will be at the end. We will combine Division for the five Bills together. THE SOCIAL HEALTH INSURANCE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.58 OF 2023) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We are now on the second...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Social Health Insurance Bill (National Assembly Bill No.58 of 2023) and it is approved all thereof without amendments. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said Report. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who is seconding?

I call upon, Sen. (Dr.) Murango.

I second. October 12, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 72 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Social Health Insurance Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 58 of 2023) , be now read a Third time. I request Sen. Seki to second.

I second. (Question proposed) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Division will be at the end. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.23 OF 2023) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Now we are on the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 23 of 2023) .

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bills No. 23 of 2023) , and it is approval thereof with amendments. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report. I request Sen. Mungatana to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover, again.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 23 of 2023) , be now read a Third time. I call upon Sen. Abass to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. (Question proposed) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Division will be at the end. October 12, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 73 THE EQUALIZATION FUND (ADMINISTRATION) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 14 OF 2023) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) We are now on the Equalization Fund (Administration) Bill...

I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Equalization Fund Administration Bill (Senate Bills No. 14 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover of the Bill, Sen. Ali Roba, proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to Move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request His Excellency, Sen. Mandago, to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, future Governors should listen because this is adding funds to counties. I second. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover, kindly proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Equalization Fund (Administration) Bill (Senate Bill No.14 of 2023) be now read a Third time. I request Commissioner Sen. Kinyua to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I second. (Question proposed) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Division will be at the end. THE LEARNERS WITH DISABILITIES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 4 OF 2023)

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Learners with Disabilities Bill (Senate Bills No. 4 of 2023) and its approval thereof, without amendments. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Mover of the Bill, proceed

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to moeve that the House do agree with the Committee on the said report. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Who is seconding?

I request, kindly, that Sen. Oketch Gicheru seconds. October 12, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 74

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I second. (Question proposed) (Sen. Nyamu and Sen. Mandago consulted loudly) The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. Nyamu and Sen. Mandago, the Speaker is on his feet. You know what you should do when he is in that position. (Question put and agreed) The Deputy Speaker...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Learners with Disabilities Bill (Senate Bills No. 4 of 2023) (Senate Bill No. 14 of 2023) be now read a Third time. I kindly request Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to second.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, I knew it. I second. (Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Ring the Division Bell for 30 seconds. (The Senate Majority Leader (Sen. Cheruiyot) spoke off record) This is a House of Procedure. We must follow all the procedures, even though we have been here for quite some time. Ring the Division Bell for one minute....

Teller for Noes:

Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County.

THE SOCIAL HEALTH INSURANCE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.58 OF 2023) DIVISION ROLL CALL VOTING October 12, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 77

Teller for Noes:

Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County. AYES: 34 NOES: Nil. ABSENTIONS: 1 THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 23 OF 2023) DIVISION ROLL CALL VOTING October 12, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 78

Uasin Gishu County; Sen. Methu, Nyandarua County; Sen. Mungatana, MGH, Tana River County; Sen. Munyi Mundigi, Embu County; Sen. (Dr.) Murango, Kirinyaga County; Sen. Murgor, West Pokot County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita-Taveta County; Sen. Oketch Gicheru, Migori County; Sen. Olekina, Narok County; Sen. Osotsi, Vihiga County; Sen. Seki, Kajiado County; Sen....

THE EQUALIZATION FUND (ADMINISTRATION) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.14 OF 2023) DIVISION ROLL CALL VOTING October 12, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 79 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

NOES: Nil. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

THE LEARNERS WITH DISABILITIES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 4 OF 2023) DIVISION ROLL CALL VOTING NOES: Nil. October 12, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 80 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri)

ADJOURNMENT The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, having moved a Motion to extend time to conclude business listed at Orders Nos.15, 16, 17, 18 and 19 earlier and having done so, the Senate now stands adjourned until Tuesday, 17th October, 2023 at

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you may have the Floor.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Sen. M. Kajwang’?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, what is this issue that is concerned with children and Eldoret city status?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the Speaker’s Gallery this afternoon of a visiting delegation from the Uasin Gishu County leadership, who are in the Senate for a one-day visit. I request each member of the delegation to stand when called...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Thank you, Sen. Mungatana. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING GOVERNOR OF UASIN GISHU COUNTY (Applause)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) I did not intend to cut you short, but this House decided earlier on to suspend the Sitting, so that we can discuss a matter of national importance. So, Sen. Munyi Mundigi, can you move your Motion? October 5, 2023 SENATE DEBATES 36 MOTION OF...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) What is your point of order, Sen. Mandago? Just a minute Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) Hapana. Hii Hoja imeunganisha usalama wa Mji wa Sondu na Kaunti ya Turkana. Zote ziko na shida. Kwa hivyo malizia Sen. Munyi Mundigi.