Moses Masika Wetangula

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :academic. I have been to Malaysia many times as a Minister, Senator and Member of Parliament for Commonwealth meetings and so on. Everybody in Malaysia is decently housed. They live in houses that have water, electricity and all other facilities, including internet.This is not difficult...

academic. I have been to Malaysia many times as a Minister, Senator and Member of Parliament for Commonwealth meetings and so on. Everybody in Malaysia is decently housed. They live in houses that have water, electricity and all other facilities, including internet.This is not difficult for us to achieve. The...

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any expectation of you as a leader.We will bring a Motion in this House to discuss the events of Eldoret Town and the behaviour of the governor whom – I take a bit of responsibility – we as the NASA campaigned for that young man to become a governor. He...

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them consciously budget for the elimination of slums and provision of decent housing.There is a new vocabulary that I am hearing now which is called “Regeneration and Renewal of Estates”. I have heard of Kariokor bachelors, Jamhuri and a few others. Those houses need regeneration and renewal, no doubt. But...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to support the Motion on the Adoption of Sessional Paper No. 2 of 2016 on the National Slum Upgrading and Prevention Policy. Our Constitution provides that we should have access to a clean healthy environment, water, right to social amenities like education and...

bodies that are to ensure that we meet the standards of housing, construction and many other issues.This policy is very important because it will address the issues of land ownership in our slum areas. One of the major reasons as to why we have slum areas in this country is...

followed---Finally, Madam Temporary Speaker, on the hawkers menace, because these things are enjoined, it is good you are the Senator of that county. You will remember that three weeks ago when the police, county askaris and the county inspection units went to look into those issues, some of those hawkers...

properly.Therefore, I want to urge my colleagues to support this Motion because it is a good starting point. Let us support it to ensure that our counties develop. It is good that some of us, especially those who still have small towns that are coming up, adopt this policy as...

Sen. Pareno Judith Ramaita.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I wish to support this Sessional Paper with a rider. The Senate Minority Leader said that we want to eliminate the slums and not upgrade them. However, my thinking is that we should start with upgrading and move on to...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, the period under review should be for the last one year. The three weeks is okay.

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):us in the laws we pass to arrest rural urban migration particularly the stream of people coming into Nairobi, Mombasa with the hope that there is better life.However, when you come to Nairobi, in fact there are more poor people than in any county in this country....

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us in the laws we pass to arrest rural urban migration particularly the stream of people coming into Nairobi, Mombasa with the hope that there is better life.However, when you come to Nairobi, in fact there are more poor people than in any county in this country. This is because...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also want to support the appointment of Members to this Committee. It is a very important Committee. I had even applied to be a Member but I found that I was not included. The point I want to raise is on the Members...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I will undertake to give an answer in three weeks because this question was not in the Order Paper. In the answer, I will include what my friend Sen. Wetangula has asked.

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Senate Majority Leader should also attend the meeting. The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Yes, they will attend. (Laughter) February 15, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is it in order for the Senate Majority Leader to suggest that since some governors who he has not disclosed, including Makueni County, and I do not hold his brief and neither am I his messenger, sat in a meeting-----? (Loud consultations)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not think it is necessary to join in this debate. However, I take exception to the remarks by my good friend Sen. Wetangula that I do not take my work seriously. He knows that I take my work seriously. Given the activities that we are...

There will be a response in a week’s time. I urge all the Members of that Committee to attend.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Senate Majority Leader should also attend the meeting. The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Yes, they will attend. (Laughter) STATEMENTS COAL EXPLORATION AT MUI BASIN IN KITUI COUNTY

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am guided. February 15, 2018 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) : I can see the subject is generating a lot of heat. Sen. (Prof.) Imana Malachi. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want to join the Senators who are showing some displeasure with the time the Chair is proposing. To begin with, at the level of common sense, driving 1,000...

I would wish the Senator who has asked the question was listening. Giving the affected persons food is just a short-term therapy; it is the animals that are their livelihood. That is what we should be fighting to get back. In two weeks’ time, those animals will be Oromia in...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I agree that there are so many issues that cannot be dealt with at short notice. However, I want to agree with the Senate Minority Leader that the Chairman should report to this House, at least, by Tuesday on what interventions have been put in place to...

Before you respond, there is an intervention by Sen. Farhiya.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Speaking as someone from the pastoral community, two weeks is a long time because the conflict will be exacerbated by the fact that there is no response. There will be retaliations and other issues. The faster this can be responded to, the better for both...

Proceed, Sen. Nyamunga before the Chair can respond.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. We are here courtesy of the people at the grassroots. The way we are handling serious issues is not amusing to anybody. We should take our work seriously. I do not know whether the two weeks period to give an answer is just a song...

I can see the subject is generating a lot of heat. Sen. (Prof.) Imana Malachi.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This issue is a lot wider than it has been reported by Hon. Lelegwe. While we are talking about taking care of these families whose livestock has been driven away, this is a problem that the Turkana community lives with every day on a larger...

is in order.

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reported missing. The report was made and the Government is pursuing.” I would rather not have that kind of answer. I would rather wait for more than two or three weeks or even one month and have an answer that is long term.

I direct that---

On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir!

What is your point of information?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not mind to be informed.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Let me inform the Chairperson. I do not know if he is aware that it was reported in the media that elders of the affected families have threatened to kill their children because they have nothing to give them. In Samburu North Constituency, for example,...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me respond. Maybe my hon. colleagues are misunderstanding what I am saying. I am very well aware of the situation there. Incidentally, this is a matter of coincidence with these things that I have been dealing with. In fact, the area that he is talking about...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :do remember we had a lot of work to do. This Committee had to consider audited reports from 47 counties as opposed to just one report from the national Government that is considered by our counterpart in the National Assembly. I remember, and the Senate...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also stand to support this Motion. It is good to see the House functioning as it should be; both sides of the House back to their work. I congratulate all colleagues who have been nominated in various Committees. As it has been said...

I want to encourage that we take a bipartisan approach, so that it is not just winner-take-it-all. Where somebody adds value, it should be a bipartisan approach, so that we tap from the knowledge and experience of our Members who can chair committees. Justice Madzayo, a former Judge of the...

Yes, Sen. Khaniri.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank you for the opportunity. I rise to support this Motion and in the interest of time, I will just have one or two observations to make. At the very outset, I join the Senate Minority Leader in congratulating Members who have been nominated to serve...

important Committee of this House called the County Public Accounts and Investments Committee, probably one of the most important Committees of this House.During the previous Motion when I was seeking for the Floor, that is the point I wanted to make. I happen to have had the privilege to serve...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :young men and a woman. I called a policeman and asked him what was happening and who had been killed. Do you know what he told me? “We have not killed anybody; we have just killed a Luo.” If this country was led to go...

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):Transport and Safety Authority (NTSA) or whichever one, we have ourselves take responsibility on whatever needs to be done.I beg to move this Motion. In good practice, I would like to call the Deputy Minority Whip to second this Motion.

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Sen. Wetangula. I received signatures from all sides of the political divide. Therefore, we are well constituted and ready for the voting. Can we start the voting? You have one minute each. The voting is on. Any Senator who may need to...

him and indicate the Members of the delegation and the order of priority as to who votes in the absence of the head of delegation. This is because we have had fraudulent voting on this Floor before.We know this is a matter that is bipartisan where everybody will vote the...

Thank you, Sen. Wetangula. I received signatures from all sides of the political divide. Therefore, we are well constituted and ready for the voting. Can we start the voting? You have one minute each. The voting is on. Any Senator who may need to be assisted to vote, please, come...

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AYES: 26 NOES: 0 ABSTENTIONS: 0 ADOPTION OF SESSIONAL PAPER NO.6 OF 2016 ON NATIONAL URBAN DEVELOPMENT POLICY

Hon. Senators, we are now proceeding to vote. You have one minute. Those who need to be assisted to vote to come forward. DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING December 13, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Kitui County; Sen. (Rev.) Waqo, Marsabit County and Sen. Wetangula, Bungoma County.

Order, Members! Again we still have the same problem. I repeat, if you are not head of delegation or you have not been designated, please do not vote. In that regard, we had Sen. Haji Farhiya Ali and Sen. Nyamunga Rose voting. So, these are the results:- AYES: 26 NOES:...

Voting starts now; I give you one minute. Assisted voters should come forward. DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING December 13, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

County; Sen. Mwaruma, Taita-Taveta; Sen. Olekina, Narok County; Sen. Omogeni, Nyamira County; Sen. Sakaja, Nairobi County; Sen. Wako, Busia County; Sen. Wambua, Kitui County; Sen. Waqo, Marsabit County; Sen. Wetangula, Bungoma County.NOES: Nil

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, out of observation, the Jubilee Government is doing a lot of work in Makueni. The requests that Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr has sought about dams, for example, Thwake Dam and others, I wish there were these numbers of projects in my county. Sen. Mutula Kilonzo...

Order No.7 STATEMENTS DELAYED COMPENSATION FOR PERSONS DISPLACED BY MANOONI DAM PROJECT

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have no problem. This is because I have seen correspondence from your office where you have been reminding the Ministry to send the responses. Maybe, you can send a last reminder before we come back from the recess. This is a very important...

of IDP’s to be compensated. Through this we end up spending good money for bad causes.Could the Government and the Ministry concerned re-formulate the policy on compensation, such that if one is surrendering their two acres of land for construction of a dam, they are given an alternative parcel of...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, again, I totally agree with the Senate Minority Leader. I have witnessed that. About Kshs2.8 billion was used to compensate squatters in my location in Embobut Forest. Everybody was getting about Kshs400,000 and there was madness in the area. Half or a quarter of the people went...

Sen. Wetangula): Is it in order for me to get the response itself so that I go through it as she responds because I do not have a copy? Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join the distinguished Senator for Narok County in urging those responsible for bringing answers- -- There are...

I direct that all those questions be put to the relevant committees. Like the Members have said, those who are going to head the committees should take matters of security seriously. We should not allow a situation where you come to explain yet people are dying. We want you to...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also want to contribute to this Motion. As we go to the election of the EALA Members, we should look at various issues, including regional balance. We have some nominated Members who were in the last Parliament. We know their capacity. We know...

Hon. Wetangula I thank you, Hon. Speaker for giving me this chance to contribute to this Bill. I represent an urban constituency. This failure to plan has caused a great deal of a mess in some of the settlement areas where you find people in residential houses have no roads,...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for this chance. I also want to congratulate Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi for bringing this important Motion. One of the things that we must observe is the way our roads are constructed and the way we manage them. One, our roads are not...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, anyone who has been here for some time - at least for me who served in the last Parliament – knows that the word “courtesy” and Sen. Wetangula cannot be used in the same sentence. This is

Mr. Speaker, Sir, anyone who has been here for some time - at least for me who served in the last Parliament – knows that the word “courtesy” and Sen. Wetangula cannot be used in the same sentence. This is December 6, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

because you cannot imagine that someone can miss the sittings of the Senate Business Committee and has no courtesy to go to the Office of the Speaker to find out what business was canvassed. He has a notice in his office that shows that part of the business is the...

Order, Senator! Senate Majority Leader, can you call on a Senator to second, so that we make progress?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have seen me quietly sit down and listen to a lot of insults from the Senate Minority Leader. I told you that for all of us who worked with him here for the last five years, courtesy and Sen. Wetangula cannot be used in the same...

The Senate Majority Leader, can you call upon a senator to second the matter so that we make progress. December 6, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have quietly sat down and listened to a lot of insults from the Senate Minority Leader. As I said, those of us who worked with him here for the last five years know that that courtesy and Sen. Wetangula cannot be used in the same sentence....

Senate Majority Leader, call upon the hon. Senator to second the matter, so that we make progress.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I just wanted to go on record that I have accepted to play quiet and humble because he always reminds me that I am the age of his son. I have always told Sen. Wetangula that every father must be proud of the progress of his son....

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Yes, Sen. Khaniri.

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. Wetangula! I would like to make a ruling, so that we make progress. The Senate Business Committee discussed the matter yesterday. Unfortunately, the Senate Minority Leader was not there, but he had informed On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is your point of order, Sen. Wetangula? We need to make progress. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to second. (Question proposed) (Laughter)

Order, Sen. Wetangula! I would like to make a ruling, so that we make progress. The Senate Business Committee discussed the matter yesterday. Unfortunately, the Senate Minority Leader was not there, but he had informed December 6, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

me that he would be away. Since the matter was discussed and the Senate Majority Leader has proposed a seconder - and this is neither a Jubilee nor NASA issue - I will ask the Senate Deputy Majority Leader to second so that we make progress.Please proceed, Sen. Dullo.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to second. (Question proposed)

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to support this Motion. However, I would also like to say that it should have been foreseen. I remember, when we discussed the programme, I had a quiet consultation with the Senate Majority Leader and told him that in view of what was happening, we...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Motion. Listening to the Senate Majority Leader, there is a very important business which we need to transact. The main reason why I stood up is because I am a Member of the Joint Committee that is handling the EALA...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I seconded but I just want to add my voice.

Order. I think you have pressed your button by mistake. You seconded.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to also support this Motion. I believe it is important that we extend or alter the calendar of the House to accommodate that important business that has not been transacted or completed. Given that we shall be going on a very long recess,...

Sen. Wetangula): Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also wish to convey my deepest and heartfelt condolences to Hon. Francis Nyenze’s family, constituents of Kitui West, the Wiper Democratic Party, NASA and Ukambani at large. Hon. Nyenze was a household name in all our homes as we were growing up....

Sen. Wetangula) :The issue is; as a leader, as a Government, do you consciously want to change the lives of people? That is what is relevant. When you embark on saying that we are doing this because whoever was here was not doing anything and so on and so forth,...

Stick to the Motion, please. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Order! Order, Sen. Wetangula! I thought you were winding up your presentation. You cannot convert yourself from presenting to raising a Point of Order. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : I was alerting...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Hon. Senators, we were alerted of Sen. (Eng.) Maina’s conduct a few minutes ago. I had said that it was in between, but Sen. Wetangula started off and actually alerted the Chair. I want to put it very clear that the Speaker’s rules are...

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. (Eng.) Maina! That is information you should have given us before the action that you took.

Sen. Wetangula) : That is why we were surprised, Sen. (Eng.) Maina. Conclude. Madam Temporary Speaker, a Point of Order is to alert the Chair that there is something out of order. So, it does not December 6, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

matter at what stage you do it; it is just to bring the attention of the Chair that something out of order has happened.Let me conclude by urging this House that if you look at Article 96 of the Constitution, as the Senate and as Senators, you represent the interests...

I can see an intervention from--- Are those interventions? There is a Point of Order from Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.

No, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Yes, Sen. Sakaja.

Madam Temporary Speaker, it is not a Point of Order.

Okay. I do not know why it is loading the intervention section---

There is a problem with the system.

Okay. That is fine. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :Madam Temporary Speaker, the challenges we have are not only in Nairobi. Many years ago, towns like Eldoret, Thika and Kisumu were very well planned, but they have also lost that glory. I did my research...

converting policy into law and making it very difficult for those who break that law to get away with it.I beg to support.

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Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, three weeks? Would that not be during Christmas? It will have to be a little faster. Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is normally allowed to ride on such requests to ask for further particulars and information on the Statement.The highway from Mombasa to Malaba and beyond...

Deputy Majority Leader, before you respond, Sen. Kasanga, I saved time for your maiden speech. Any time we are discussing something substantive, you will be able to make it. So, do not get discouraged. Sen. Dullo, you can respond now.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First, let me congratulate Sen. Kasanga for this professional request on the Statement. Secondly, since the request is so detailed, I request that you give us three weeks so that we can give a comprehensive answer to that particular request.

Sen. Wetangula) : Since the owners of the other statements are not here and the practice is to present them when they are here, I defer them. He is away. December 5, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Okay. Let us now move to the statements to be issued. Deputy Majority Leader, you can start.

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, I agree with the Senate Minority Leader on two accounts. One, that I was reading a statement as written and as lawyers - and I totally agree with my learned senior – a criminal is only a person so declared by a court of law. A...

Let us have the Senate Majority Leader.

Mr. Speaker, I agree with the Senate Minority Leader on two accounts. One, that I was reading a statement as written and as lawyers - and I totally agree with my learned senior – a criminal is only a person so declared by a court of law. A more sanitised...

Hon. Senators, as it has been said, this is a grave matter. Therefore, I direct that it be referred to the committee of ---

On a point of order Mr. speaker Sir.

What is your point of order, Hon. Senator?

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all the time death occurs, we are not aware; we are investigating. That has to come to a stop.In this House, I will urge my brother Murkomen who is seriously overwhelmed by responding to some of these questions which, of course, they should have been done by the Committee Chairperson....

Yes, Sen. Sakaja; I was about to make a ruling but you can proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to add my two cents worth to this because as I read out in the question and the response greatly affects my county as well as Sen. Outa’s and that is the point of order he is trying to raise. Any country where even one...

knives--- For example, I saw someone with a blood-stained knife carrying bananas. Does that still qualify to be termed as peaceful demonstration as protected within the law? Have we lost ourselves as politicians that then we get excited when our supporters do that from whichever side of the divide? I...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, my heart is really heavy on this matter. I want to tell the Senate Leader of Majority that I do not want to take this Statement casually because we have lost lives especially in Kisumu County where your report only mentioned a few guys who were killed...

Sen. Shiyonga Masitsa.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, in Kenya today when we talk about deaths by police officers, it looks like we are going back to history because currently in our Constitution the Kenya Police Force name was changed to Kenya Police Service and we expect the police service to do a service to...

What is your point of order, Sen. Dullo?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, our Standing Orders are very clear in terms of seeking clarification but it looks like some people are introducing debate and also discussing things that are out of the subject matter. We should refrain from that.

Sen. Shiyonga, remain within what you asked for.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I urge our Senate Leader of Majority to get a more comprehensive answer for these questions because what happened in Kenya during that period is not just mere graphics or crowds but it is what we are seeking to get to understand in order to get to...

Finally, let us hear from Sen. Cherargei.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I agree that there are issues of allegations of police brutality. We should not be losing lives like that of the young boy, Master Mutinda. Now that we have agreed that this issue should move to the Committee, I seek to get clarification from the...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, I commend Sen. Ledama Olekina for making his statement. I only wish, for future, when making statements under Standing Order No.46, that it should not be this and that. It must be either the asking for a statement from the House or making a personal...

in Mandera, Moyale or Samburu is not any greater or lesser than a life in Nairobi, Kondele, Malaba or Mombasa. Every Kenyan is entitled to enjoy their lives protected by the law and the Constitution and the police must do their duty. If something went wrong, the Romans used to...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to associate myself with the statement by my colleague, the Senator for Narok County. I want to go on record on this matter. The brutality witnessed in this country over the last few weeks is not just wrong. It is immoral. My...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I commend Sen. Ledama Olekina for making his statement. I only wish, for future, when making statements under Standing Order No.46, that it should not be this and that. It must be either the asking for a statement from the House or making a personal statement. The...

Let the Senate Majority Leader proceed.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, at that point I allowed the Senate Minority Leader to let go. I did not say he must clarify his statement. However, if need be, then that can be done later. We all agree that the police must be responsible. They must be a service as they...

What is the point of order, Sen. Olekina?

I never interrupted for good reasons, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think the Senate Minority Leader was a bit sober today. (Sen. Wetangula spoke off record)