Moses Masika Wetangula

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, our successive governments have shied away from resolving border disputes. Border disputes have a potential to create conflict. However, in this country, they have always shied away from counties and national borders. I want to seek a clarification on this matter...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, one of the reasons I opposed the then Constitution draft in the Tenth Parliament was because of the absence of an annex of the true map of Kenya showing boundaries and beacons as put forward by Sen. Wetangula. Is the Government ready to join...

July 8th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Mr. Speaker, Sir, our successive governments have shied away from resolving border disputes. Border disputes have a potential to create conflict. However, in this country, they have always shied away from counties and national borders. I want to seek a clarification on this matter regarding Somalia, not on the maritime...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I sought the Floor earlier under a point of intervention. I want to comment about the students that are in the gallery and not specifically on this Statement. I welcome them, especially because they are boys. As you know, we are dealing with a crisis of illicit...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, one of the reasons I opposed the then Constitution draft in the Tenth Parliament was because of the absence of an annex of the true map of Kenya showing boundaries and beacons as put forward by Sen. Wetangula. Is the Government ready to join Okoa Kenya and...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a very important matter to the Government. As I have said earlier, I wish to inform the House that the government is serious in terms of dealing with boundary disputes. I read in the statement that there is an office that is established to look...

Hon. Wetang’ula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also wish to add my voice to this amendment. Kenya is a young democratic country. For us to keep growing our democracy, we must allow the existence of these so called small parties. Some of these small parties may exist in certain...

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the event happened in my county. The facts are that KWS officers killed unarmed helpless herders.

Order, Sen. Wetangula! Sen. Wetangula Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am asking a further question. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kembi-Gitura) If you start by saying that they killed harmless unarmed helpless persons, you are pre-empting the answer that you are going to get. Could I hear what you want to...

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No.41 (2) (b) , I wish to seek a Statement from the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget regarding the recent up-scaling of minimum capital for commercial banks. In the Statement, the Chairperson should address the...

Sen. Wetangula) :July 1st, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank the Senator. This is a very important issue. You may recall that last year in Mt. Elgon which is in my County, over 10 young girls were made pregnant by one teacher. You saw in the media...

Let me make this clear. I had mentioned it to Sen. Wetangula before. I do not know why he decided to transgress again. The reason a Statement like this one is sought is so that we know about both policy and the action being taken. However, when Sen. Wetangula wants...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would also wish that the Chairperson of the Committee on Education to clarify what measures will be taken to ensure that the lives of both girls and boys are taken care of in such a case. What is the outcome of sexual molestation? We are...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, that is, probably, what I wanted to say? (Sen. Wetangula spoke off record) I need protection. I am being attacked by Sen. Wetangula. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this House passed a Motion by Sen. Ongoro. It was about the aftercare of the young children once they...

Sen. Karaba, when will you give an answer? (Sen. (Dr.) Machage spoke off record) I have not seen your request, Sen. (Dr.) Machage. You have just made your request after I had called Sen. Karaba. What is it that you would like to say?

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, could the Chairperson also enlighten this House on regional distribution of this funny behaviour per county for the past five years?

I am not sure that your question has anything to do with the Statement. You are talking about “funny behavior” yet we are talking about sexual molestation. You need to call it what it is. Okay, Sen. Karaba.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I need enough time. July 1st, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : You see, we will now go into problems. You know, there are about 10 requests of points of order on this one. There are about ten requests for points of order on this issue. Maybe, it speaks then to the importance of it. The...

Sen. Wetangula) :(Loud consultations) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not know if you heard what the Chairperson said. He said that he needed three weeks to check whether it is the boys, girls or the teacher in the wrong. In the molestation of a child who cannot in law...

Sen. Wetangula, what do you want me to do? (Loud consultations) July 1st, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am involved in some of these cases. In the past, I have been involved in investigations. What I found is that even the students do those things. So, I have to come up with a true record on what should happen to the boys, girls...

Sen. Wetangula) :June 25th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

June 25th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : In the past, precedence has been set in the House, that when the questioner is not here, a Statement cannot be submitted to the House. So, we will wait. Until such a time as when the questioner has notoriously avoided appearing, then we can...

Sen. Wetangula) :June 23rd, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I might even spend less time. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the 15th of this month was a very important day. This House spoke in unison for devolution. Today, we come here in furtherance of resolutions of that day. The...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to add my voice on this Motion, which I support. I want to congratulate my fellow Senators who have been nominated to sit in this Committee and help us identify some gaps within the Constitution that need to be reviewed or...

June 23rd, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

There being no other contributor, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I want to take this opportunity to thank Senators who have spoken. I believe this Committee will move to ensure that we flag out the issues affecting the Senate and also ensure that they stay steadfast as we have requested. This is a roadmap and guidance...

Hon. Senators, there being no other business, the Senate stands adjourned until Wednesday 24th June, 2015 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Sen. Wetangula) :June 17th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Mr. Speaker, Sir, this matter if not handled properly can bring untold calamities to this country. The Chair, Sen. Ntutu, Sen. Obure, Sen. Muthama, Sen. Billow and a few others were in Bomas during the Constitution making process and you may recall how...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I associate myself with the views expressed by the Senator for Kakamega County and the Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Wetangula, in the sense that the Constitution presumes that already defined counties exist. Often times, we have been quoting Article 188 as a basis for demarcating or establishing...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is good and important that we are talking about most of the burning or small issues which could turn up to be very big. Boundaries are very sensitive. They should be discussed and an amicable solution reached at. If we do not handle these issues very...

Sen. Wetangula) : Senator for Bungoma, it is as if you are interrogating a Statement which has not even been given to the House. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it is in furtherance of another Statement which he gave. On a point of order...

Senator for Bungoma, it is as if you are interrogating a Statement which has not even been given to the House. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it is in furtherance of another Statement which he gave.

Did you say you are expecting it to be given out today? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I do not see it on the Order Paper.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I appreciate that I delivered a Statement in this House and the Speaker ruled that a further Statement would be brought. In my understanding, that was to be Thursday – the day after tomorrow. DISBURSEMENT OF THE SOCIAL PROTECTION CASH TRANSFER SCHEME FOR THE ELDERLY

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I am standing on two issues. First, as we were going on recess, there was the issue of cash transfers to the elderly and disabled which I had raised. I remember even Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. had June 16th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES KILLINGS IN...

Sen. Wetangula, are you a Member of that Committee? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : I know you interact very well with them and so, that order stays. Sen. Madzayo, what is your take on the first one about the cash transfers?

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, in fact, to help the Chairman, the direction was very clear; when Sen. Musila requested for the list, it was advanced to him and after the list was advanced to him, it was discovered in the interrogation of that list that there are...

I know you interact very well with them and so, that order stays. Sen. Madzayo, what is your take on the first one about the cash transfers?

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I think the role of the Chairperson is over in that aspect and it is the work of the Clerk to take it up now and inform the Cabinet Secretary (CS) responsible to appear before the House.

Are you saying you are having a problem communicating with the Cabinet Secretary (CS) concerned?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, I have just consulted with the clerks when I was in front of you a few minutes ago. I do not think it is procedural for the Chairperson of the Committee to write to the Cabinet Secretary (CS) . However, I will take it up with the...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I have a lot of respect for the retired Judge, Sen. Madzayo, however, the Chair dealt with this Statement for a very long time until it reached a point where he hit the wall. I think it is only fair that...

Sen. Wetangula) :June, 15th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Thank you, Senator. I wish to inform you and the House that as they were doing that, they raised the budget of the National Youth Service (NYS) from Kshs5 billion to Kshs26 billion for undefined role and undefined projects.

Thank you very much, Sen. Wetangula. That is what I had said earlier before you came. I had only cited that. I said that some of the Vote heads were June, 15th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES June, 15th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for the opportunity. First, I want to thank the Speaker of the House for allowing this Special Sitting to discuss this very important Motion relating to the budget process. I also want to thank the Mover, Sen. Murkomen, for effectively and eloquently moving the Motion...

Asante sana, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa nafasi ili nichangie Hoja hii. Kwanza, nawashukuru Wakenya kwa sababu mwaka wa 2010, waliweza kuzungumza na kuona kwamba kile kilichokuwa kinaturudisha nyuma ni Katiba tuliokuwa nayo wakati huo. Kwa sababu hiyo, tulipata Katiba mpya ambayo yapendeza na inampatia mwananchi wa Kenya nguvu....

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. From the outset, I would like to support this Motion. I also thank the leadership of the Senate for calling this Special Sitting and coming up with this particular Motion. We are going through very difficult times as a country where the public has agreed...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I also want to take this opportunity to thank the leadership of the Senate led by the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Minority Leader for giving us this chance to come together and chart the way forward of what happened the last few weeks as far...

There being no further requests, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am extremely impressed by the manner in which this House has, again, expressed itself in a very sober manner, but in the best interest of the country. While discussions were going on in this House, I have received so many SMSs and calls from people congratulating...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Is the honourable Acting Senate Majority Leader right to say that because there was no mention of reforming the Constitution to enhance the position of the Senate and, therefore, logically that leads to a conspiracy between CORD and Jubilee to undermine the...

Madam Temporary Speaker, indeed, the Senator for Kisumu has just confirmed that in the inception, thinking and formulation of CORD’s referendum question, there was nothing about the Senate. That is why I said that today is a defining moment, both for those who are on the CORD and Jubilee sides,...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Is it in order for Sen. Murkomen to purport that he is in a better position to allude whether or not to have the referendum question for the Okoa Kenya Bill, when it is still going to be revised after consultation with...

Senator, I think you are making your contribution and referring to a document. Just elaborate on the point that you are trying to make.

Sen. Wetangula) :May 28th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. When the Vice Chairperson says that pulling out of Kiamayu is out, is that May 28th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Order, Sen. Wetangula! You have made your case. Please, proceed Sen. (Dr.) Machage, so that she can respond at once. Hon. Senators, remember that she was responding to the clarifications you sought yesterday.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. As the country cries and weeps every day, including yesterday, how much more lives does the Government want us to pay as cost to convince them that it is time we moved out of Somalia?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I want her to clarify because the statement that she made does not go down well with many Kenyans. Initially, this was “Operation Linda Nchi”. However, three, four or five years later, it has turned into something else. The Government should evaluate our presence there and what...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, further related to yesterday’s case that happened in Yumbis, the northern part of Kenya, we saw disconnected communication from the Government as to what really took place. Could the Chairperson give us the true Government position, relating to how crime is being handled in that region, rather...

Please, proceed Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. and then finally, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale will seek clarifications.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, since Sen. Dullo spoke with such finality, it would be nice to know how many of our troops are in Kismayu. What exactly are they doing? How exactly are they protecting Kenya by being there, so that we can understand the finality in the statement?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Kenyans do not know whether the Jubilee Government reads reports by international institutions. It is only last week, when the United Nations released a report which said that trade in charcoal in Kismayu and the profits now made by Al Shabaab have gone up compared...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would like to respond by saying that some of the issues that have been requested by Senators are new to me in terms of May 28th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Order, Senators. I think we have exhausted this matter. Sen. Adan Dullo, maybe you could give a clarification as to how longer we shall be in Kismayu in comparison to Operation Linda Nchi.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would be lying if I say that they are going to be there for two or three years. I have said that this is a matter that we need to discuss with the relevant authorities and give feedback to this House. That will depend on the...

Sen. Wetangula) :He has lost it! (Applause) May 28th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES An

Sen. Wetangula) :(Loud consultations) Mr. Speaker, Sir, again, that goes into deeper irrelevance. The diaspora vote will be achieved progressively and it is the exclusive responsibility of the IEBC. We have diaspora in Somalia. If you go to Somaliland, we have more than 10,000 Kenyans working there. Why are we...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Senator, who is the Senate Minority Leader, in order really to insinuate that it is the contents of a petition that was thrown out and trashed by the Supreme Court, which should actually be a subject of discussion in...

Order, Senators! Senate Minority Leader, you need to be fair to your fellow Members. I think what Sen. Elachi was just asking is a matter of fact. She had knowledge to believe, which you all do, that maybe you were even in a better position. The Senate Minority Leader (...

Sen. Wetangula) :(Laughter)(Laughter)

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Sen. Wetangula) :May 27th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to support this Motion. I like the way the Motion is framed with the words; aware that, cognizant of, aware that, realizing that, further aware that, concerned that and now May 27th, 2015 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. (Dr.) Wetangula) : Sen. (Dr.) Wetangula) : Where is the Chairperson, Standing Committee on Legal Affairs and Human Rights? Where is the Vice Chairperson, Sen. Sang? Mr. Speaker, Sir, mine is listed under 2 (a) . PLANS TO OPEN MORE CONSULATES IN USA TO SERVE AS POLLING CENTRES

Sen. Wetangula) : So, when do you want to give us the Statement? Mr. Speaker, Sir, that explanation from the distinguished Senator is mischievous, to say the least. He started by saying that the Chairman of the Committee is not here. He then went ahead to make unhelpful prepositions as...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is the Senate Minority Leader in order to suggest that my response was mischievous? I was just stating that the Chairman of the Committee is not around. That is why I was stepping in as the Vice Chairperson. There is no mischief...

So, when do you want to give us the Statement?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I should report progress on whether I can give the Statement tomorrow.

What is it, Sen. Khaniri?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am sure you heard the hon. Senator saying that he is even ready to go and beg, knock doors of a Cabinet Secretary to get a Statement. It should be noted here that nobody is doing us a favour by bringing these statements to this House....

Sen. Wetangula) :(Loud consultations) On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Have you noticed that repeatedly as the proceedings are going on, Sen. Njoroge has kept on raising his hand as if he is in a classroom? (Laughter)

Sen. Wetangula) :(Laughter)Sen. Obure, it does not mean that

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Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, --- Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we have not discussed the conduct of any President.

I know you have not discussed the conduct of the President of Burundi, but you have referred to him and maybe that is the reason the hon. Senator wanted to caution the Senators. Let us observe time. Every hon. Senator has one minute.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, just as a matter of seeking further clarification to that statement, I think the world is evolving towards having partnerships based on common values, democracy, human rights and the rule of law. I think whatever happens in one country impacts on another. When elections were stolen...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I will not take much time in responding to most of the issues raise here. First and foremost, Burundi is a sovereign State. It has a Constitution that guides and directs how they should govern themselves. Secondly, it does not require President Uhuru Kenyatta to advise...

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