Moses Masika Wetangula

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also want to support this amendment Bill.

Hon. Wetangula Many a times, police officers are injured in the line of duty. The Police Service Commission is at times unable to deal with the situation. (Loud consultations) Hon. Wetangula Hon. Deputy Speaker, there is a kamukunji around here. I cannot even hear myself.

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Deputy Speaker, when police officers sustain injuries in the line of duty, sometimes the PSC finds it difficult to accept their conditions. Sometimes such officers are summarily dismissed. The argument is that the officers are employed for their physical fitness so that they can do physical work....

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also want to support this amendment Bill.

Hon. Wetangula Many a times, police officers are injured in the line of duty. The Police Service Commission is at times unable to deal with the situation. (Loud consultations) Hon. Wetangula Hon. Deputy Speaker, there is a kamukunji around here. I cannot even hear myself.

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Deputy Speaker, when police officers sustain injuries in the line of duty, sometimes the PSC finds it difficult to accept their conditions. Sometimes such officers are summarily dismissed. The argument is that the officers are employed for their physical fitness so that they can do physical work....

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula) : Okay, hon. Members, 30 minutes are over. You will make those arguments in the Committee when the matter gets there. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.226 (1) , the Petition stands committed to the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources. In terms of Standing...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. For the record of the Senate of the Republic of Kenya, I did not say Rt. Justice Stewart Madzayo is unschooled. In fact, I did not base my arguments on Sen. Madzayo’s arguments but on political arguments that people are making out...

but I insist that – as the Senate – when we look at the issues affecting our local interests, let is also have the bigger picture and the benefit that will accrue to that county.As I said, I wish SGR was passing in Elgeyo-Marakwet County ---

Okay, hon. Members, 30 minutes are over. You will make those arguments in the Committee when the matter gets there. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No.226 (1) , the Petition stands committed to the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources. In terms of Standing Order No.226 (2)...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wanted to mention that in making some of the recommendations, we acknowledged these issues. First, I am the one who brought the Motion here for the National Commission (NLC) to bring the Bill on land injustices. However, instead of doing...

Yes, briefly. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) :with the recommendations of the NLC be tabled in this Senate as per Article 254 of the Constitution.Lastly, Mr. Speaker, Sir, the question of the return of the remains of Koitalel Arap Samoei really bothered us. Sen. M. Kajwang’ is actually...

I encourage that the matter is not closed by the tabling of the Report. The Committee can remain seized with this matter and look at and reconcile their recommendations, with the recommendations in the TJRC Report.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, allow me to comment on this issue, because the problem of the Talai Clan is not just a Nandi Community problem; it is, indeed, a Kenyan problem. When the leadership of the Talai Clan was exiled, many of them were sent to Lambwe Valley, which is in...

Proceed, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. Please, make brief comments.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wanted to mention that in making some of the recommendations, we acknowledged these issues. First, I am the one who brought the Motion here for the National Commission (NLC) to bring the Bill on land injustices. However, instead of doing that, they sneaked in a small...

with the recommendations of the NLC be tabled in this Senate as per Article 254 of the Constitution.Lastly, Mr. Speaker, Sir, the question of the return of the remains of Koitalel Arap Samoei really bothered us. Sen. M. Kajwang’ is actually right, because I met seven people who were in...

Proceed, Sen. Ongeri. Please, make brief remarks.

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Sen. Wetangula) :(Applause) Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am not ‘another one.’ (Loud consultations) Order, Sen. Wetangula!

Sen. Wetangula) : You again repeat what you said yesterday? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have to protest in the strongest terms possible. We are on air and you cannot dare address me like that, whether you are on the Chair or not....

They have no dormitories, laboratories or anything. So, you get a student who has got marks to go to The Alliance Boys’ or Alliance Girls’ High School in Kiambu County and take him somewhere where there are no facilities. If you go to The Alliance Boys School in Kiambu County---...

Sen. Wetangula): Thank you for the compliment. Not stories of giving the Chair a difficult time of trying to see what exactly you want to say. Clarifications.Very well, Sen.Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.

Sen. Wetangula):

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The Chairperson on the Floor is not just the Chairperson of the Committee on Education, which I am a Member. He is also, as he well knows; a former headmaster of one of the schools...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :him due recognition.Secondly, Sen. Wetangula, Sen. Billow, Sen. Kagwe and I have had an opportunity to serve with the Senator from the Ninth Parliament. I do not read any irrationality with his behaviour today. It is his mode of communication. So, we cannot do much...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on several occasions based on the emotive nature of the debate in this House, it has never happened that a Member would dress down the Speaker of this House. Even if the Senator has issues with the directions of the Chair, there are better ways and...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. TemporarySpeaker, Sir, this is a very crucial and important aspect of the management of our educational system in this country, and towards cohesion for our nation. So, I wantto inform the Chairperson that all secondary schools in the second category (B) moving from category A which is...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. With your permission, I will seek just one clarification. Following what Sen. Kagwe has said, what exactly is this money supposed to do? Each of the 18 old national schools was allocated Kshs48 million and the newly elevated ones got Kshs25...

Thank you for the compliment. Not stories of giving the Chair a difficult time of trying to see what exactly you want to say. Clarifications.Very well, Sen.Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.

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Sen. Wetangula): It is an interesting request, indeed. Usually, it is the Speaker who can request for such. However, the way it has been eloquently put by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I am thinking about it and will give my decision in a moment. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Equalization Fund...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am concerned that the national Government has published in the dailies what they call public participation on this. The Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget has raised serious concerns about this Fund. One of the concerns is that 10 per cent of the money that...

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Hon. Wetangula Thank you, hon. Chairlady. I also support this amendment. Most of the time, when it comes to issues of disability, there is always this excuse of cost. This is something that we cannot run away from. We must support this amendment, so that every Kenyan is carried along....

Hon. Wetangula Hon. Chairlady I support the amendment which seeks to align the law with the Constitution. As the Mover has explained, the Kenyan Sign language is different from any other sign language. Therefore, the amendment has been proposed in recognition of what is provided in the Constitution. It will...

Hon. Wetangula I thank you, hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. I also wish to congratulate the Mover, hon. (Ms.) Muhia, and the amendments brought by hon. Mwaura and myself. The Persons with Disabilities Act needs a total overhaul because there are so many provisions in that Act that are not in...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also support this Bill. This amendment is about improving the efficiency of the board. The amendment will create some efficiency in the management of that important Authority. I represent an urban constituency. I have come into confrontation with this reality about alcohol...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I join you and my colleagues who have spoken before me to recognise students from Kabianga University. This morning I had the privilege of seeing them at the gate and I was told they are pursuing a degree in Public...

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Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, your ruling is in order regarding committal of petitions under Standing Order No.227. There is also Standing Order No.228 and 229. Standing Order No.229 is on the register of petitions. We are not aware that the Clerk of the Senate actually keeps a...

What is it, Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo?

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I note that the request by Sen. Wetangula would have been appropriately handled by the leadership of this House. I do not remember when I last saw some of the leaders of this House seated here, to the extent that we...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, your ruling is in order regarding committal of petitions under Standing Order No.227. There is also Standing Order No.228 and 229. Standing Order No.229 is on the register of petitions. We are not aware that the Clerk of the Senate actually keeps a register, open to...

Order, Sen. Billow!

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, recommendations have been made under Standing Order No.228.

Order! The office of the Clerk is under my office. Do you doubt my work?

Do you have any reason to doubt that the copies are forwarded to the Clerk April 5, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

No, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

So, have a seat.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, our concern is that there are recommendations made by this august House that need to be implemented by various institutions and there is need for the Committee on Implementation to implement and give the House a report on the progress. That is all we are seeking....

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Senate has been accused. Even this morning, while seated in the Mediation Committee, the Senators were accused of watching helplessly as governors pilfer public funds. My Chair has pointed out that there is a lady who withdrew over Kshs300 million and evidence is contained in...

I thought they were anti- carcinogenic.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, whatever they were, the point is that there must be a way that our decisions can be discussed. First, this is one petition that we have spent more than 60 days. Secondly, the petition has got outright pilferage of public funds. We should have provided a...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. TemporarySpeaker, Sir, I thought we were to wait for the owner of the Statement, Sen. Sang. However, I will go ahead and read it.

Do not push that weight to Senators who have hardly finished five years. It is unfair. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) :AThe implementation status of these issues at the National Treasury vide a letter dated 26th March 2016, declined the recommendation of the Committee. (See the attachment).We, as...

Very well. I will strike off the last phrase from the records of this House. (Question proposed)

Tradition demands that I give you that latitude of comment. However, since I see no interest of comments, I now put the question. (Question put and agreed to) (Resumption of Statements) We were on Statements. The order had already been read. We are now on Statement (a) . Where is...

Mr. TemporarySpeaker, Sir, I do.

Unfortunately, the questioner is

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. The questioner requested me to sit and prosecute it on his behalf.

Is there a copy of the communication to my office with those instructions? Anyway, we will give the benefit of April 5, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

A doubt that Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo who has been declared the quasi-king of Pokot actually got those instructions.

It is so ordered, Mr. TemporarySpeaker, Sir.

I do not know who you are ordering. (Laughter)

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to add my voice. First, I am a member of the Committee on Delegated Legislation that sat and went through these regulations. They have come here on the Floor of this House. We can assure you that...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to add my voice. First, I am a member of the Committee on Delegated Legislation that sat and went through these regulations. They have come here on the Floor of this House. We can assure you that...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. (Dr.) Machage, you have to wait a bit for the other interventions, so that you can answer to them at once. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. April 4, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

A hospitals at the astronomical figures that the counties have been conditioned to sign and pay for?Secondly, I asked the Chairman to tell us about equipment received and the hospitals hosting them, detailing the criterion that was used in distributing equipment. In general terms, he has appeared to indicate that...

Sen. (Dr.) Machage, you have to wait a bit for the other interventions, so that you can answer to them at once. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the Senate Minority Leader for seeking this very important Statement. I would like the Chairman to table the list of the following medical specialists who have been hired by county governments, so as to service this particular service that will come by...

Sen. Wetangula) : Proceed Sen. (Dr.) Machage. On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I watched very keenly, as I enumerated these issues, and could even see that as the Chair you were a bit surprised. Is it in order for Sen. (Dr.) Machage to make a general...

A and other things. Could he tell us and justify this outrageous allegation, that a refrigerator, patients’ trolley and microwave oven are specialized equipment?

Sen. Wetangula, you had gone through that list already? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, at this rate, gloves are going to become specialized equipment. Perhaps to help Sen. (Dr.) Machage and the House, we need to know what the definition...

Sen. Wetangula) : Could you first withdraw the word “lies” and then proceed. On a point of Order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Senators. Sen. (Dr.) Machage, what do you have to say? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I fully agree with the suggestion of the distinguished Senator of Vihiga County, Sen. Khaniri. In the event that you see sense in the request and stand down the answer, we should...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. When the Chairperson was responding to that question, his body language would tell that he is telling us lies. He is taking this House---

Order, Sen. Leshore! Could you rephrase? Senators do not tell lies.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to repeat that. The body language of the Chairperson--- April 4, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Could you first withdraw the word “lies” and then proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I withdraw the word lies. The body language of the Chairperson when he was responding indicated that he was taking us for a ride or a circus. He continues to give us a circus in this House. Could he come here with his Cabinet...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Khaniri, I have the benefit of the statement you sought but I do not have the answer. So, two things will happen. You should either accept that the statement that has been given to you is not adequate and that will be it...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you very much, Sen. (Dr.) Zani. We agree the matter is closed.

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is no harm in updating this House on the status of things.

Sen. Wetangula Hon. Senators, I wish to recognise the presence of visiting students and teachers from St. Theresa Tartar Girls High School, West Pokot County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. In our usual tradition of receiving and welcoming visitors to Parliament, I extend a warm welcome to them...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. (Dr.) Machage, you have to wait a bit for the other interventions, so that you can answer to them at once. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. April 4, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

A hospitals at the astronomical figures that the counties have been conditioned to sign and pay for?Secondly, I asked the Chairman to tell us about equipment received and the hospitals hosting them, detailing the criterion that was used in distributing equipment. In general terms, he has appeared to indicate that...

Sen. (Dr.) Machage, you have to wait a bit for the other interventions, so that you can answer to them at once. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to thank the Senate Minority Leader for seeking this very important Statement. I would like the Chairman to table the list of the following medical specialists who have been hired by county governments, so as to service this particular service that will come by...

Sen. Wetangula) : Proceed Sen. (Dr.) Machage. On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I watched very keenly, as I enumerated these issues, and could even see that as the Chair you were a bit surprised. Is it in order for Sen. (Dr.) Machage to make a general...

A and other things. Could he tell us and justify this outrageous allegation, that a refrigerator, patients’ trolley and microwave oven are specialized equipment?

Sen. Wetangula, you had gone through that list already? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, at this rate, gloves are going to become specialized equipment. Perhaps to help Sen. (Dr.) Machage and the House, we need to know what the definition...

Sen. Wetangula) : Could you first withdraw the word “lies” and then proceed. On a point of Order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Senators. Sen. (Dr.) Machage, what do you have to say? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I fully agree with the suggestion of the distinguished Senator of Vihiga County, Sen. Khaniri. In the event that you see sense in the request and stand down the answer, we should...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. When the Chairperson was responding to that question, his body language would tell that he is telling us lies. He is taking this House---

Order, Sen. Leshore! Could you rephrase? Senators do not tell lies.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for allowing me to repeat that. The body language of the Chairperson--- April 4, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Could you first withdraw the word “lies” and then proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I withdraw the word lies. The body language of the Chairperson when he was responding indicated that he was taking us for a ride or a circus. He continues to give us a circus in this House. Could he come here with his Cabinet...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Khaniri, I have the benefit of the statement you sought but I do not have the answer. So, two things will happen. You should either accept that the statement that has been given to you is not adequate and that will be it...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you very much, Sen. (Dr.) Zani. We agree the matter is closed.

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is no harm in updating this House on the status of things.

Sen. Wetangula Hon. Senators, I wish to recognise the presence of visiting students and teachers from St. Theresa Tartar Girls High School, West Pokot County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. In our usual tradition of receiving and welcoming visitors to Parliament, I extend a warm welcome to them...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

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Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think I misused the word amorphous; thus, I withdraw it. Secondly, I have a point of information to my former party leader. Currently, I ceased to be a Member of Ford Kenya. I am now the party leader of the National Liberal Party of Kenya (NLPK)...

Order Members. Let not one issue lead to another. Even if it is serious, not all serious issues will be completed in this afternoon Session. March 29, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. Wetangula! Surely, Mwea and Kirinyaga are two different things. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is the distinguished Senator for Kirinyaga County, Mwalimu Karaba. The fertilizer always arrives very late. The shelf life of fertilizer is four or five years...

An

It is Kirinyaga, not Mwea.

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, if I heard him right, the issue of fertilizer and farmers at this moment is very crucial. There is no fertilizer in the depots. There is what is called 23:23:23. I do not know where it will be used and on which soil. Maize...

Proceed, Chairperson.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, clarification is sought on the issue of the testing of soils and recommendation of appropriate fertilizer. It is true that this report says that most of the soils in our country are now acidic arising from use of certain types of fertilizer. It is high time that...

Order, you do not direct the Chair. I have already directed you. When do you want to respond to the other one? (Sen. Ndiema left the Chamber) (An hon. Senator spoke off record) March 29, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

AWhat is it, Sen. (Dr.) Machage? This is to be responded to by Sen. M. Kajwang.

Sen. Wetangula) :(Laughter) On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Sen. Wetangula? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, on this matter of security in Baringo, even as we wait for the Statement and knowing what is going on there---

Sen. Wetangula) : Yes, Sen. Wetangula, you were on the floor. You have a balance of 13 minutes. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was advised that I had 13 minutes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Yesterday, I was offering my critique of the Speech...

Which Chair? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I usually appreciate the Senate Minority Leader’s speeches because they have information and they stimulate thinking. This happens when he especially enlightens us that the contracts going on now are full of kickbacks and...

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):A substantiate what he was ordered to substantiate yesterday then we proceed with the debate.

Sen. Wetangula): Point of order! The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : You cannot protest what you did not hear. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was on the floor.

Yes, Sen. Wetangula, you were on the floor. You have a balance of 13 minutes. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : I think Mr. Speaker, Sir, you must protect us.

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Senator. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, if the House wants me to bring the exact figures, I will withdraw now but give a condition that next week, I will still bring those figures and table them on the Floor. I withdraw,...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is it, Sen. Kembi-Gitura? March 29, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

I do not believe that discussing or debating the Presidential Address is about attacking people who are not in this House and cannot give answers. Mr. Speaker, Sir, if we allow that; where people can say what they want, then we will have anarchy in this House, which is not...

Sen. Wetangula) :Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg for additional three minutes so that I can go to four other things. The President said that the country has recorded 1,950--- Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Speaker of the day, the distinguished Senator for Kajiado, told me to substantiate today. He never said...

Proceed, but you will have to conclude with it. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Senator. I have no problem with your line of reasoning but my problem is that you have been challenged and you are unable to substantiate; which is the most...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. This is a matter of argument and I think it is also a matter of law. With greatest respect, I do not think that the Senator can say he is going to substantiate at the end. Standing Order No.94 requires that substantiation...

Sen. Wetangula) :Mr. Speaker, Sir, I withdraw all the prefaces to the withdrawal and apology. March 29, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) : You are not being helpful to your leader or even to the rest of us. I am satisfied that he has apologised and withdrawn. I also want to make it very clear, Sen. Wetangula. Nobody is asking you to heap praises on anybody; I am just employing...

What is it, Sen. Kembi-Gitura?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I followed the debate yesterday. I recall that Sen. Wamatangi, the distinguished Senator for Kiambu, told the distinguished Senator for Bungoma that he is the Senate Minority Leader of the House but not the leader of the Opposition. Therefore, respect must be accorded by the leadership to...

Sen. Wetangula): Order, Members! Indeed, I am equally aggrieved when I am accused of a conspiracy, having read the Standing Orders that all Members can read. I am used to that from the Leader of Minority. That is why it does to bother me, but not everybody is the Speaker.

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Senator for Murang’a is inviting you to find that the Senate Minority Leader was grossly out of order. Before you do that, because obviously, the statement he made touched not only on Sen. Kembi-Gitura but also on you,...

Order! I am afraid I have to enforce the Standing Orders. You had an opportunity to withdraw your remarks yesterday. You sought for more time and it was granted. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I urge you to stick to the...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. Kembi-Gitura, let him finish. I will give you time. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : The only thing that touched me is that the Standing Orders give me time to speak. I have eight thingsthat I wanted to critique in the...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Members. I do not know where you want this thing to go. (Sen. Dr. Machage spoke off record) Order, Sen. (Dr.) Machage. I allowed Sen. Kembi-Gitura to contribute after Sen. Wetangula for him not to continue with the false impression that there is a conspiracy. Sen....

Order! Yes, but you cannot just determine that I am going to give. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, this could be a point of omission or forgetfulness. We will need correction because this is a House of records. Was Sen. Wetangula...

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Members, I think we have listened to everybody. Let me make the following observation. It is a sad day when responsible Senators can engage in a debate of this nature. It is a debate that is taken out of context, conjures up conspiracy theories that do...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :A wrong for the presiding officer to demand what the Chair decided after being petitioned? This is because we must start with decorum and be honest with each other.For you to claim that we have a conspiracy, I wish you had spoken the way you...

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Senator Kembi-Gitura! You chased the man from proximity to you. You can only assume the furthest point away from you. Respect that one Mr. Speaker, Sir, which I have done. I withdrew and apologized.

Order, Senator. Order! You are skating to the limit. I will go by the rules of this book. Order, Senator! Failure to which the Senator shall be deemed under Standing Order No.94 (2) to be disorderly within the meaning of Standing Order No.110 – Disorderly Conduct. “Unless the Senator withdraws...

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is not my fault that when I get to the House, hon. Members get excited. I cannot really help that. The only thing that I can help is to ensure that it is not me who is talking,...

Order, Senator! I have this book before me, I read to you. You can read it for yourself. If I do not use it, you will tell me I am doing my own things. So, to make reference to it becomes an issue. Your time is up, Senator. The Senate...

Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Sen. Murkomen needs to look more clearly at the Oxford Dictionary for the meaning of the word “excitement.” He might find that he is wrong. I was addressing myself to the issue, for instance, of e-citizen. We appreciate that there is corruption...

Order, Sen. Wetangula! March 29, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula): Your time is up, Senator! Mr. Speaker, Sir, and this appears to be connivance between the Speaker and his deputy.

Order, Sen. Wetangula!

Order, Sen. Wetangula! Assume your seat. Let us rest that matter, Sen. Kembi-Gitura. Order, Members! We shall maintain decorum in this House. POINT OF ORDER ALLEGED DISORDERLY CONDUCT BY THE SENATE MINORITY LEADER

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on a point of order. The most important thing in this House is that we must, as you correctly say, maintain decorum. When the Leader of Minority, on HANSARD, says that, “there is dictatorship in the Senate and this is connivance between the Speaker and his deputy.”...

Sen. Wetangula) :AStill talking about the transition at Paragraph 20, the President stated that there has also been accelerated transfer of functions and personnel to the county governments. This is true and, in fact, that accelerated transfer, I think, was too fast. The current Constitution gave this country a period...

AMr. Speaker, Sir, sometimes when we get carried away – every human being has the right to lose his cool if he or she is pushed to the wall, it does not mean I disrespect you. You have been a Member of a party I lead for two terms in...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Let me finish.

Sen. Wetangula) : Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support the Motion. I will go straight to a few issues that I want to talk about because of time. I have gone through this speech and I listened to the President when he delivered it. As my...

AI have not called the President any names. It is not an insult to the President when you say that what the President said is incorrect. When you say that the facts that the President gave to the nation are not consistent with the facts as we know them, it...

Order, Members. I do not know where you want this thing to go. (Sen. Dr. Machage spoke off record) Order, Sen. (Dr.) Machage. I allowed Sen. Kembi-Gitura to contribute after Sen. Wetangula for him not to continue with the false impression that there is a conspiracy. Sen. Kembi-Gitura, will you...

On a point of order Mr. Speaker, Sir. So you want Sen. (Dr.) Machage to go before me?

Yes. Proceed Sen. (Dr.) Machage.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this could be a point of omission or forgetfulness. We will need correction because this is a House of records. Was Sen. Wetangula in order to say that he appointed Sen. Kembi-Gitura as an ambassador? These records must be corrected. I believe Sen. Wetangula might have had...

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am happy that Sen. (Dr.) Machage has brought up that issue. It was one of the issues that I was going to raise. Sen. Wetangula and I, as he has correctly said, go back a long way. He and I served as...

Sen. Wetangula) : It is so ordered. It will be issued in two weeks’ time. Proceed, Sen. Ndiema. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am a Member of the Committee. We will notify the Chairman, Sen. Haji, so that he can bring the statement in two weeks’ time.

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Sen. Wetangula) : Could we hear from the Chairperson of the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries?

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Allow me to ride on this question that is very important. The national Government is in charge of policy. Could the Chairperson tell us whether the national Government is aware that also a similar initiative is being carried out by governors? In Kakamega, Bungoma and...

A 1million on one helicopter. Could he tell us the source of these millions of shillings that are being spent on hiring the helicopters? In fact, for the lack of a better word, these governors have become salesmen.

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : It is so ordered. March 28, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have another statement---

Order Senator! We need to dispose this one. Do you not want to know when the first one should come?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have no objection with two weeks.

It is so ordered. LOUD MUSIC IN LIONS EYE HOSPITAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF TEMPLE AND AUDITORIUM IN LORESHO

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula):

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. Wetangula. Let us hear the point of order from Sen. Elachi.

Sen. Wetangula):ASo, my friend should accept that the one who gave him the information as a police officer lied. If there is any, we will ask him to tell us the name, where he works and what he does. That is why we are supposed to give information based on...

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula, I think you have the Floor to substantiate. Let me remind you that why we debate on the President’s speech is because it is a very serious speech. He makes a speech to address the nation within Parliament. So, if you do not have facts, I...

Sen. Wamatangi.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I do not want to take the House into a seesaw of argument between myself and the Senator. But I believe no matter the position of the Senator in this House, he also owes faith and allegiance to the rules of the House. He cannot pretend...

Sen. Wetangula): Do you have a copy? If you cannot substantiate, just withdraw or you be given time to tomorrow. I am very fair to you. There are only two ways: either you withdraw or--- The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) :Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, can this Senator from Kiambu...

Sen. Wetangula, the Senate Minority Leader, I will refer you to Standing Order No.94 on responsibility for statement of fact. It states that:- “ (1) A Senator shall be responsible for the accuracy of any facts that the Senator alleges to be true and may be required to substantiate any...

On a point of order.

What is your point of order Sen. (Dr.)

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, statements which are based on hearsay, a newspaper or individual policeman will tell you this figure was not correct. He should not imply that the President said a lie to the nation. It is important for my friend there to accept that it is a mistake...

ASo, my friend should accept that the one who gave him the information as a police officer lied. If there is any, we will ask him to tell us the name, where he works and what he does. That is why we are supposed to give information based on what...

On a point of order.

Sen. Elachi, is it on the same?

Yes Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. It is a serious allegation and my leader – because he is going to be the next President of this country – should know the numbers of security forces correctly. When he says that the President lied about the ratio of police officers to Kenyans,...

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I will continue to hold my cool and good sense in the discussion. However, is it in order that the Senate Minority Leader would be referring to me as jittery; behaving as thou I am being electrocuted every...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. While I agree with the Senate Minority Leader that the policeman who gave him information will be sacked, that is a public office and I believe the Inspector General (IG) should now give the figures. The Senate Minority Leader cannot tell...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : 30 p.m., time to interrupt the business of the House. The Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday 29th March, 2017, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6:30 p.m.

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wetangula, the Senate Minority Leader in the House, I just asked you to either ask for more time so that you can substantiate or withdraw and apologise. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there is nothing to withdraw---

Do not be emotional. March 28, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula): There is nothing to apologise about. If you want the exact numbers I will bring them tomorrow.

So tomorrow at 2.30 p.m. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : As I said, If we have---

Order

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it is so easy and I will shame this Kiambu man tomorrow.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

You cannot refer to your colleague Senator as, “This Kiambu man.” The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : The distinguished Senator for

Can you withdraw what you referred him as--- The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : I withdraw. He is not “This man from Kiambu’’ but the distinguished Senator for Kiambu. My own good friend Sen. Kimani Wamatangi; a very close friend of mine. I have great...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I will continue to hold my cool and good sense in the discussion. However, is it in order that the Senate Minority Leader would be referring to me as jittery; behaving as thou I am being electrocuted every time he mentions...

Order, Sen. Wetangula. Who allowed you to go to the ---

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, he cannot look down upon us just because we as Senators have again elected him into the position of Senate Minority Leader. Do we allow him to use the position to talk down on us, ridicule and call us names? He needs to realize that he...

On a point of order Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the record of this House is very important. For the record, I do not consume alcohol. I am a fervent Christian who desists from consuming alcohol. Therefore, when the Senate Minority Leader says that we share a lot of things including...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Is the Senate Minority Leader in order to bring the issue of standard gauge railway up when we know that the standard gauge railway of Kenya and the standard gauge railway of Ethiopia have a very big difference? Our standard gauge...

AI was the Minister in charge of Foreign Affairs when we were negotiating on Lamu Port-South Sudan-Ethiopia-Transport (LAPSET) to have a railway line from Lamu to Moyale and Moyale to Addis. Show me the different definitions of standard gauge whether it is a higher, middle of lower standard gauge. Standard...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I have listened to the Senate Minority Leader and I think some of his allegations are not true. In Ethiopia, the Government does not pay for the land. It only allocates itself land to do their SGR line. In our country,...

A remember politicians are the ones making the deals. He must know how cutting deals is done in this country. Is he in order?The Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula): Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, in this country and you can bear me witness, if you look at this country...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on a point of order. Is the Senate Minority Leader in order to allege that the Jubilee Government has abandoned Vision 2030, knowing very well they have been complaining that we have been concentrating on projects which they started while serving in the Grand Coalition Government?...

Order, Sen. Wetangula! As usual, you have 30 minutes. You are left with 13 minutes. So, if you want to continue --- The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : And the interruptions?

If you want to continue, tomorrow you will be given an extra 13 minutes. ADJOURNMENT

30 p.m., time to interrupt the business of the House. The Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday 29th March, 2017, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6:30 p.m.

Sen. Wetangula) : Order! Senate Minority Leader, you have to stick to addressing the issue raised by Sen. Wangari. Stick to that and do not digress. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Madam Temporary Speaker, when we passed the Bill that entrenched electoral fraud in this country, two Senators...

Order! Senate Minority Leader, you have to stick to addressing the issue raised by

Sen. Wetangula) :AWith regard to the authority to vote, can Sen. Obure and Sen. Leshore complain officially because they are the leaders of delegations? Let me finish, Madam Temporary Speaker. Sen. Onchwang’i was not authorized to vote, but he voted. Sen. Lesuuda was also not authorized to vote, but she...

Order, Senator! I have granted another intervention to Sen. Wangari, since you are responding to her.

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Senate Minority Leader is actually making this worse. Just because he said it in some funeral the following weekend does not make it right. I was in this House until midnight and in fact, not even ten Senators from the minority...

AWith regard to the authority to vote, can Sen. Obure and Sen. Leshore complain officially because they are the leaders of delegations?

Which delegation are you talking about? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Take your seat. I have to make a statement on this. Hon. Senators, as it has been said, this is a House of records. I do not want to draw your attention to...

On a point of order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Is it in order for the Senate Minority Leader to continue discussing the conduct of any Senator in this House and casting aspersions – calling them participants in fraud – without a substantive Motion, as per the Standing Orders? I would have...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : What is out of order, Sen. Murkomen?

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Murkomen, Sen. Wangari who raised the first point of order did not demand for an apology or withdrawal. I want to bring this to a conclusion. I have already given my ruling on that. I do not want us to proceed in the manner of mentioning...

March 2, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Acountry or the conduct of the holder of an office whose removal from such office is dependent upon a decision of the Senate shall be referred to adversely, except upon a specific substantive Motion of which at least three days’ notice has been given.” Hon. Senators, I do not have...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I stand advised. I hereby instruct Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. to draft a Motion and start processing it.

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me a chance to also contribute to this Motion. When we talk about national values and principles of governance, Article 10 of our Constitution says national values and principles of governance bind all State organs, State officers and public officers...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, before I do what you have said, I would like to request that you retreat and think through what the Senate Minority Leader has said about that Standing Order because it might in future inhibit debate. For now and for purpose of us making progress,...

Order! Let me dispose the one for the Minority Leader. I am afraid your wide knowledge of the English language has serious limitations in this particular instance. The issue of the conduct and discussing the conduct is on the basis that you are bringing a substantive Motion to discuss. Now,...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, before I do what you have said, I would like to request that you retreat and think through what the Senate Minority Leader has said about that Standing Order because it might in future inhibit debate. For now and for purpose of us making progress, I would...

Order, Sen. Murkomen! This is a non-issue and there is no amount of discipline of the English words. Now, the directives are very clear; there should be neither preface nor a forward. It is a directive.

As I said Mr. Speaker, Sir, I said I withdraw and apologize for the word rogue and replace it with that unusual---

Order! What is it, Sen. (Dr.) Machage?

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise under Standing Order No. 110 (e) . Are Sen. Murkomen and Sen. Wetangula in order to doubt your February 21, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

Sen. Wetangula) : Next order.

Order, Sen. Wetangula! I want to agree with the Senate Minority Leader for the purposes of Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. This is because I have a letter from him where he cited the relevant law. I may not share the same expression with the Senate Minority Leader in terms of words...

Sen. Wetangula) : Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Orders No.227 (1) this Petition stands committed to the relevant standing committee. In this case, it is the Standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Budget. In terms of Standing Orders No227 (2) , the Committee will be required, in not more than...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is something I am happy with. The issue of corruption has grown roots to even our villages. I thank the petitioner for coming up with this petition. The issue of corruption has been addressed over the years. I have...

Sen. Wetangula):A issue. Decriminalization is not the right way because as Sen. Billow says; our youth and little children as young as 10 years old are being given this substance. It is destroying a whole generation.As it has been said, it has to be done very carefully. I know of...

The interest here is a bit too much. I do not know why there should be so much interest in cannabis sativa. I will allow not more than two minutes for any person who wants to contribute on this. Who is temporary 1? Who is using a temporary card? Okay,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, Uruguay was the first country to legalise the use of cannabis sativa in 2013. There are not many countries. In fact, even in the United States of America (USA) , the debate is still on in many of the states. In Canada, they are likely to...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, fortunately the gentleman is known to me. However, the Committee should deal with this matter very carefully. It is a very sensitive February 15, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

A issue. Decriminalization is not the right way because as Sen. Billow says; our youth and little children as young as 10 years old are being given this substance. It is destroying a whole generation.As it has been said, it has to be done very carefully. I know of countries...

What is your point of order, Sen. Wetangula? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : I did not hear him say that it is consumed freely. I understood him to say that it grows as a weed in the rolling hills of Gwasi in Homa Bay.

Sen. Wetangula Hon. Senators, I have finished on the issue of dress and I am not going to revisit it. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I am ordering that you withdraw from the House to either go and dress properly and come back or stay out of the House. The choice is...

Sen. Wetangula I have heard you but I am only saying that you are not properly dressed. That is the point I am making. (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale withdrew from the Chamber) Hon. Senators, we were on a point of order on the issue of Order No.14 on the Order Paper...

Sen. Wetangula

Sen. Wetangula Let me make it easy for all of us because I have heard Sen. Madzayo and he had occasion to discuss it with me. Could I hear from Sen. Madzayo?

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I respect the Chair and do not want to antagonize your ruling as the Speaker of this afternoon’s Session. It is just yesterday that we passed a list of new Members of the House Business Committee. That is hardly 20 hours ago. What has...

February 15, 2017 SENATE DEBATES

A particularly my distinguished counterpart, to bring any amendments to improve the Bill at Committee stage after we have debated it so that we can also be able as a House that is now enjoying a bad name of having passed so few Bills for no mistake of our own;...

Order, Senators! We might protract this matter for too long. At the end of the day, we will have only one way forward. The Bill has not been withdrawn. Let us first of all start by understanding that. It was, at the request of the Senate Leader of Majority, stood...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :