Moses Masika Wetangula

Hon. Wetangula Thank you Hon. Speaker for giving me a chance to also support this County Assembly Services Bill. This is a milestone in trying to move away from the erstwhile local government hangover which the county governments inherited a great deal of functionalities. This Bill will also bring order...

Sen. Wetangula) : Order! Sen. Wetangula, you must learn to take the Chair seriously. There is no matter before us. What are you prosecuting? (Sen. Wetangula spoke off record) Order! Sen. Wetangula, this House must have rules. The Statement will be here on Tuesday. The Chair knows the mood of...

Order! Sen. Wetangula, you must learn to take the Chair seriously. There is no matter before us. What are you prosecuting? (Sen. Wetangula spoke off record) Order! Sen. Wetangula, this House must have rules. The Statement will be here on Tuesday. The Chair knows the mood of the House. That...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the report has delayed because the famine is experienced countrywide and it affects many pockets of the country. They are attempting to give us a comprehensive report of both what they are doing in terms of the activities going on now and what plans they have for...

Sen. Wetangula) : Order, Sen. Wetangula! Even the ones sought by Sen. Sang who just demonstrated that he did not concentrate. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Wetangula) : Exactly. At least he made some weak attempt to respond to what Sen. Sang asked. I asked the Chairperson that while the...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, from the outset, the Senator for Nandi County said that the responses seemed cooked. Considering the fact that there are many issues bedeviling the education sector in the country, I request that you direct that we broaden this aspect of question...

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Sen. Wetangula) :November, 2 2016 SENATE DEBATES Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity to contribute to this Bill. One of the cardinal principles of constitutionalism that we have is the control and prevention of arbitrary use of power and excesses. That is why we have checks and...

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, Kenya has being doing a lot in diplomatic circles using her finances to try and make peace in South Sudan. The Senate Minority Leader said that when Ugandans who are in South Sudan were threatened, President Museveni had to send the Uganda Defence Forces...

Sen. Wetangula On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Order Paper designates every issue to come at its time. This is Statement Time and the matter is extremely urgent and very serious. There would be absolutely no excuse for the distinguished Senator to say that somebody is waiting...

Order, Sen. Wetangula! Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am sure you share the pain we are sharing about those people at the gate.

Sen. Wetangula Mr. Speaker, Sir, my fear was that you will refuse to grant that opportunity. Now that you have said you will, I am very grateful to you.

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, I agree that this is a very grave matter. I made inquiries on the whole issue about those people being out there. The information I have is Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not know whether you heard what the distinguished Vice Chair said. The...

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir while the Statement is being brought and ---

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, exactly. So, you went to assess which situation?

Sen. Wetangula) : Order Sen. Karaba! Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you. The weathermen have said that there is going to be prolonged drought in the country. Even in the traditional rain-secure areas, we also have very severe pockets of very harsh climate, dry zones and sometimes even semi-arid and arid...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, in addition to the information that Sen. Bule has raised, is it also possible for the Chairperson to add information regarding the policy and strategy for disaster management that they intend to put in place, particularly if it is true that the weather will continue to deteriorate...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, one of the counties that were mentioned in the list is Makueni. May I know from the Chair whether the Cabinet Secretary can confirm that the contingency budget that was set aside this year is enough to cater for what they have described as one of the...

interesting scenarios where we do not have a disaster management policy, an Act of Parliament or a mechanism.Mr. Speaker, Sir, when will the national Government implement the disaster policy that has been pending since 2013?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, yesterday, we came from Wajir County. My Committee was there to assess the situation. It is serious! What Sen. Bule is saying is the situation in Tana River--- Order Sen. Karaba. I thought you are the Chairman of the Committee on Education.

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Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I just want to ask my colleague under what Standing Order that is provided.

Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not know whether you heard what the distinguished Vice Chair said. The Executive is accountable to Parliament. When an issue is raised in this House or any other House, it is demeaning for the...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I agree that this is a very grave matter. I made inquiries on the whole issue about those people being out there. The information I have is October 19, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

challenge is that they were not given the same amount in terms of allocation; the Kshs410,000 that was being allocated to IDPs.This is simply because some of them were facilitated by the UNHCR. From last week up to yesterday, there were negotiations going on in terms of how the issues...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

What is it Sen. Bule?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Vice Chair has said that the people who are suffering at our gate have homes. If they have homes, what are they doing there? This issue is very serious and it endangers us. Sen. Wetangula said that it endangers our lives and that is true. Those...

Order, Sen. Bule. What is your point of order?

My point of order is that the Vice Chair is cheating because she is not telling us the truth.

Order, Sen. Bule. “Cheating” is un-parliamentary. Proceed, Vice Chair.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have raised concern about insecurity but unfortunately they cannot be forced out of this place because that will also amount to violation of their rights. The Ministry is doing something and I kindly request Members to give me some time so that I get what the...

Hon. Members, there is no Statement before us and so, I really do not know what you are interrogating. I allowed a lot of time for the concerns to be raised the moment the Senate Minority Leader raised the Statement. The concerns have been raised and therefore, let us wait...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am not going to get into the content because, as you said, there is no Statement. However, I would like to seek your guidance on procedure. Are committees supposed to be conveyor belts for the Executive? This is because the Vice...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, there are three issues which have come out strongly. First, the CS has no respect for whatever we have requested him to do. October 19, 2016 SENATE DEBATES

Wetangula said that it is a very grave issue and a serious threat to our lives and to Parliament as a whole. We need your guidance on that because this is a very serious issue.Could you send one of your clerks to go and see whether the other clerk is...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Oh! That is not a party. It is something else. (Laughter)A

Sen. Wetangula) : Order Sen. Karaba! On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Have you closed Sen. Bule’s Statement? I wanted to add something.

I had closed until you rose on a point of order, which I will now allow. The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, Sen. Boy Juma Boy has said what I wanted to say. However, I will add that Kitui County should be...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, in addition to the information that Sen. Bule has raised, is it also possible for the Chairperson to add information regarding the policy and strategy for disaster management that they intend to put in place, particularly if it is true that the weather will continue to deteriorate...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, one of the counties that were mentioned in the list is Makueni. May I know from the Chair whether the Cabinet Secretary can confirm that the contingency budget that was set aside this year is enough to cater for what they have described as one of the...

interesting scenarios where we do not have a disaster management policy, an Act of Parliament or a mechanism.Mr. Speaker, Sir, when will the national Government implement the disaster policy that has been pending since 2013?

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Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I would like to support this Motion, but with a heavy heart because people living with disabilities have been excluded from appointments in the Government yet we form 10 per cent of the total population. There are people living with disabilities who qualify...

Sen. Wetangula) : You sought for two weeks and then you have a change of mind. They are not your answers that you are giving but those of the Ministry.

You sought for two weeks and then you have a change of mind.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, no, I am saying two weeks’ time and I wanted to correct Mheshimiwa Wetangula that Kenya Science Teachers College (KSTC) is not the one which --- We will talk and you will correct. (Sen. Wetangula spoke off record) Order, Sen. Wetangula! You had your bit and you...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wanted to correct him. There is nothing to correct. You will correct at that time in the Statement.

Sen. Wetangula) :efficiency or commitment, can that clerk be established and identified and given a reward. If, indeed, we have the evidence, can the Chairperson confirm the evidence that the clerk is there? If it is true that clerk is standing by the door of the Minister, that clerk deserves...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. You heard the Chairperson for the Committee on Education say a clerk of the Senate is standing outside

Sen. Wetangula) : You sought for two weeks and then you have a change of mind. They are not your answers that you are giving but those of the Ministry.

You sought for two weeks and then you have a change of mind.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, no, I am saying two weeks’ time and I wanted to correct Mheshimiwa Wetangula that Kenya Science Teachers College (KSTC) is not the one which --- We will talk and you will correct. (Sen. Wetangula spoke off record) Order, Sen. Wetangula! You had your bit and you...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wanted to correct him. There is nothing to correct. You will correct at that time in the Statement.

Sen. Wetangula) :efficiency or commitment, can that clerk be established and identified and given a reward. If, indeed, we have the evidence, can the Chairperson confirm the evidence that the clerk is there? If it is true that clerk is standing by the door of the Minister, that clerk deserves...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. You heard the Chairperson for the Committee on Education say a clerk of the Senate is standing outside

Sen. Wetangula) : Next Order! Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would, probably, say that it is a little too late, but we appreciate. I laud you in a matter that happened this morning. You made me proud of you as our Speaker for standing your ground and telling your brother in...

Next Order! STATEMENTS BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 18 TH OCTOBER, 2016

Sen. Wetangula): Mr. Speaker, Sir, yesterday, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale brought the analogy of Luhya dogs. If a dog barks, it does so on behalf of its owner. You could see the truncation and the relationship between the one who was doing and the substantive one who finally came with a...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, this issue seems to be contagious because it had been discussed previously and the ruling was that the Senate Majority Leader and Senate Minority Leader, as referred in this Standing Orders, are offices. I remember we argued much about that, but the ruling was that they are...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have never been and I am not hungry for power. I have never been in the situation of Sen. Wetangula and I do not seek to be as hungry as he is. You can see how passionate he was that he is not issuing the statement....

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Could you correct the Senator for Elgeyo-Marakwet because my name is not Sen. Wetangula? It is me who stood in this place and raised a point of order. How can he refer to me as Sen. Wetangula?

Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is very straightforward State requirement. We will attempt to answer it within a week. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have a statement to make. They are carrying banners. They are from Uganda.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, they are from Uganda.If they are from Uganda, they should go back to Uganda. (Laughter)

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) : Mr. Speaker, Sir, the matter raised by the Chairman of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Affairs is extremely important. Just like the Tesos, we have some in Kenya and also in Uganda. We have the Masaai and Kuria in both in Kenya...

No, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is my personal statement and not Sen. Adan’s.

Sen. Wetangula): You are all right; from Sen. Wetangula, Sen. Khaniri and Sen. Muthama. Even when a Statement is not listed on the Order Paper, we have a leeway where the Committee Chairperson can say: “I have a Statement and I am ready to read it to the House.” The...

Very well. I have heard you clearly. Sen.Muthama, can you listen. I have heard what you and the Vice Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Lands and Natural Resources have said. The conclusion I make is that you have lost confidence in the Committee in handling this matter. That being...

to circumvent the issues raised by Sen.Muthama.I will request the CS Lands and Urban Development to use his powers to stop the sale of land in this contentious place. We do not have the powers as a House to injunct, but we can request as a House that the CS...

What is it, Sen.Muthama?

This is urgent because there is bureaucracy. Try to see whether you can summon the CS Lands and Urban Development within one week, but I am sure two weeks will be adequate for this. Two weeks puts us somewhere. Write to him and tell him that this is urgent. Summon...

Order. If you listened to me carefully- I believe you are a good listener - I did not talk about this Chair losing confidence in the Committee. I talked about the questioner who is Sen.Muthama not being happy with the Committee’s handling of the issue, and has therefore, lost confidence....

Yes, Sen.Khaniri. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I agree that the Statement from the NLC came on 6th April, 2016. It is not the Chairperson Standing Committee on Lands and Natural Resources that schedules the business of this House, with all due respect. Statements are scheduled by the House Rules and...

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Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me a chance to contribute to this Motion. The world over, all successful business entities are very well managed by efficient boards that are professional and that are headed by competent people who have the requisite qualifications. Sometimes, our parastatals...

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Sen. Wetangula) : On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I just wanted to beg the Chair not to belittle my question. If he was not the doctor that he is, I would have forgiven him. He said clearly that the number of deaths was going down during the...

Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Incidentally, I have not had an opportunity to sit with my sister. I think I should bring that to your attention so that the House can save its time and transact any other business rather than answering...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity. It is unfortunate that a 16 year old girl as beautiful as she is has lost one eye because of a reckless prisons officer. All officers within the Kenya prisons Service, the National Police Service and the Kenya Army are...

Chair!

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I think I read this statement clearly. First, let me say that I am really sorry for what happened to this young girl. One of the issues I want to bring out is that the prisons officer was interdicted. That is action that has already...

Sen. Wetangula) :unattended.I thought that Sen. Elachi would mention the incident where the Senator for Uasin Gishu County raided Eldoret University to flash out the Vice Chancellor, Mrs. Akenga. She is from my Constituency in Bungoma County and happens to be from the Luhya nation married to a person from...

Senator, why are you speaking to someone who is not here? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Wetangula) : Sen. Wetangula) :

Kenya’s integrity and sovereignty, its people, their rights, freedoms, property, peace, stability and prosperity, and other national interests.” It is so comprehensive. This is a mandatory constitutional obligation bestowed or imposed on the Government by the supreme law of the country.I think it was Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr., who said...

What is your point of order, Sen. Elachi?

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I did not want to interrupt my leader but is he in order to say that because the Deputy President contributed Kshs18 million to harambees in one week, he looted the money yet he cannot substantiate and tell us it is...

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Kenyans will look at this Bill and think on a different thing yet we are trying to sort out a problem. We know we have communities and we are going to elections. We have challenges that are facing many communities where...

this House at various times which indicate that so far about Kshs24 billion or Kshs25 billion has been spent on the resettlement of the so-called Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs). However, as we sit here, there is a group out there at the gate, shouting haki yetu. They are claiming that...

see devolution touching people.Where is the failure? It is not because the NCIC is not working. It is because the institutions of governance in the country have collapsed. Why can the Ethics and Anti- Corruption Commission (EACC) not call Mr. William Ruto and ask him, “Where did you get Kshs18...

unattended.I thought that Sen. Elachi would mention the incident where the Senator for Uasin Gishu County raided Eldoret University to flash out the Vice Chancellor, Mrs. Akenga. She is from my Constituency in Bungoma County and happens to be from the Luhya nation married to a person from the Luo...

You are entitled to come up with amendments so that the Bill can be passed. I call upon the Mover to reply; you have three minutes.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I thank all the Members for their contributions. I welcome constructive criticisms. That is why it is called peace. Anyone who has done peace and security, we always say, “in each way, there is peace”. I plead with the Senate Minority Leader that we...

Hon. Senators, it is now time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow Wednesday, October 12, 2016 at 2.30 p.m.The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this Bill. From the outset, I support this Bill. The reason we have very many children roaming our streets is because we have not attached importance to education of children. If this Bill has...

Hon. Wetangula Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also rise to support this Sessional Paper. I would like to point out that when children are engaged in illegal labour because of poverty, they grow up with a missing link in their life. This Report says that there is no comprehensive or...