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On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is the hon. Vice- Chairperson in order to say that she will consult the Minister, yet we know that in the current Constitution, we do not have Ministers; we have Cabinet Secretaries. (Applause)

Sen. Billow On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is Sen. Billow in order to demand for an answer which has already been given? I think he is taking a lot of our time

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is Sen. Billow in order to demand for an answer which has already been given? I think he is taking a lot of our time October 23, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

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Sen. Billow On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is very strange that Sen. Kerrow, who is a very experienced parliamentarian in this county, can make such a request. This is because the reason that he is canvassing will be very well addressed when the Bill comes here...

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Sen. Billow Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I seek a Statement from the Chair of the Committee on National Security and Foreign Relations on an incident that happened last night. Last night at around 2.30 a.m., there was an attack on an Administration Police (AP) and District Officer’s (DOs)...

Sen. Billow Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, yes; there is an answer to a previous statement sought by the Senator for West Pokot that I wanted to give.

Sen. Billow Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. On Thursday, 11th July, 2013, Sen. (Prof.) John Lonyangapuo of West Pokot County requested for a statement relating to the implementation status of Vision 2030 as follows. He wanted to know the implementation progress of Vision 2030, the gains achieved so far,...

Sen. Billow Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Senator for West Pokot County sought clarification on the industries. I agree with him that in the economic pillar, manufacturing or industrial development is among the six sectors targeted. The other five include; tourism, agriculture and so forth. Vision 2030 focuses on the...

Sen. Billow Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am privy to some discussions that the hon. Senator for Migori, being the only Senator with a lot of white hair on his head which is a sign of many years--- We propose that he holds the fort briefly. Thank you, Mr. Deputy...

Sen. Billow Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is a legal responsibility of this House and as the Motion says, the law is very clear. Section 17 of the Public Financial Management Act Public Finance Management (PFM) Act as amended by the County Allocation of Revenue Act requires that...

Sen. Billow On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I think the hon. Member was, probably, not paying attention. The schedule indicates that the disbursement is based on the revenue performance rates of the national Treasury. So, in months when the revenue is high, for instance, October when...

Sen. Billow Mr. Temporary Speaker, this is a report of the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Economic Affairs committee. I was the one who was supposed September 26, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Billowto move it but since I was away, I requested one of the Members, Sen. Kagwe, to move...

Sen. Billow Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. You have made a good ruling using the powers conferred on you by the Standing Orders. I want to take this chance to thank all Senators who have contributed to this Motion and given their views. There are a number of issues...

Sen. Billow Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I will respond to both. The point that I am raising here is that the payroll is about Kshs4.5 billion, out of the Kshs16 billion. So, actually, it is not the entire amount. In addition, the Kshs4.5 billion is salaries that the national Government...

Sen. Billow Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also want to add my voice to this Motion which is timely. As my colleague has said, the future is in technology. Our lives will be governed by the use of technology. As we sit in this Chamber, we are also communicating...

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following report on the Table of the House today, Wednesday, 18th September, 2013: The County Budget Implementation Review Report for the Fourth Quarter of the Financial Year 2012/2013. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Report was presented to the Senate pursuant to...

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thought so but the notices of the Motions are not ready yet from the Clerks.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, the notices for the Motions are not yet ready. So, we are not able to move them. Let me consult.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also rise to support the Motion. We know the Senator is a very capable and diligent lawyer. This will be an opportunity to get some new blood to the Committee. Some of our lawyers are not exactly dinosaurs, but they are analog and it...

Sen. Billow On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, is it in order for the young hon. Senator from Mombasa County to mix two languages at the same time? He should use the Swahili word for “digital”.

Sen. Billow Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I also want to add my voice to this Motion which is timely. As my colleague has said, the future is in technology. Our lives will be governed by the use of technology. As we sit in this Chamber, we are also communicating...

Sen. Billow Please mind about time.

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Sen. Billow Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House, today, Thursday, 19th September, 2013:- Report of the Finance Committee on the Investigations on Irregular Alteration to the Budget Estimates for Turkana County for the Fiscal Year 2013/2014. Report of the...

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Sen. Billow Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I responded to this matter. I explained that matter in my position as the Chairman of the standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Economic Affairs and with the knowledge of the objective behind that Equalisation Fund. The Kshs200 million that Mandera County got this...

Sen. Billow Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I see that this Equalisation Fund issue is raising a lot of attention, but I do not know whether we have read this paragraph in the Constitution very well. I can read it for everybody. It reads:- “The National Government shall use the Equalisation...

Sen. Billow Sen. Moi that was not a point of order. The only issue I want to correct is that, I thought the people of Baringo County are your people and the people for West Pokot County are for Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo and all of them are our people.

Sen. Billow Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House, today, Thursday, 19th September, 2013:- Report of the Finance Committee on the Investigations on Irregular Alteration to the Budget Estimates for Turkana County for the Fiscal Year 2013/2014. Report of the...

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Sen. Billow Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I responded to this matter. I explained that matter in my position as the Chairman of the standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Economic Affairs and with the knowledge of the objective behind that Equalisation Fund. The Kshs200 million that Mandera County got this...

Sen. Billow Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I see that this Equalisation Fund issue is raising a lot of attention, but I do not know whether we have read this paragraph in the Constitution very well. I can read it for everybody. It reads:- “The National Government shall use the Equalisation...

Sen. Billow Sen. Moi that was not a point of order. The only issue I want to correct is that, I thought the people of Baringo County are your people and the people for West Pokot County are for Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo and all of them are our people.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following report on the Table of the House today, Wednesday, 18th September, 2013: The County Budget Implementation Review Report for the Fourth Quarter of the Financial Year 2012/2013. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Report was presented to the Senate pursuant to...

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thought so but the notices of the Motions are not ready yet from the Clerks.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, the notices for the Motions are not yet ready. So, we are not able to move them. Let me consult.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also rise to support the Motion. We know the Senator is a very capable and diligent lawyer. This will be an opportunity to get some new blood to the Committee. Some of our lawyers are not exactly dinosaurs, but they are analog and it...

Sen. Billow On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, is it in order for the young hon. Senator from Mombasa County to mix two languages at the same time? He should use the Swahili word for “digital”.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following report on the Table of the House today, Wednesday, 18th September, 2013: The County Budget Implementation Review Report for the Fourth Quarter of the Financial Year 2012/2013. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this Report was presented to the Senate pursuant to...

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thought so but the notices of the Motions are not ready yet from the Clerks.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, the notices for the Motions are not yet ready. So, we are not able to move them. Let me consult.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I also rise to support the Motion. We know the Senator is a very capable and diligent lawyer. This will be an opportunity to get some new blood to the Committee. Some of our lawyers are not exactly dinosaurs, but they are analog and it...

Sen. Billow On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, is it in order for the young hon. Senator from Mombasa County to mix two languages at the same time? He should use the Swahili word for “digital”.

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Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think, to allow the Senate Majority Leader to proceed, I will withdraw what I said until I finish Googling, and then I will come back later to substantiate. Until then, I withdraw and apologize. (Applause) September 10, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

Let us hear Sen. (Dr.) Machage before Sen. Murkomen.

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Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I think, to allow the Senate Majority Leader to proceed, I will withdraw what I said until I finish Googling, and then I will come back later to substantiate. Until then, I withdraw and apologize. (Applause) September 10, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

Let us hear Sen. (Dr.) Machage before Sen. Murkomen.

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Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Senator for Marsabit County, who asked for the Statement, wanted to know how much money had been disbursed in respect of infrastructure to each of the 47 counties in the last 20 years. The second part of his question was about the Equilisation Fund...

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Sen. Billow On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Will I be in order to tell the Chairman that he is misleading the House? If he can stand here and say that there are no records of the money that was spent on water and they cannot be traced,...

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Is Sen. Billow, the Chairman, in order to say that there are no records? I think there are records for everything which was done by the previous governments. He has to go to the line Ministries and search for the records.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Will I be in order to tell the Chairman that he is misleading the House? If he can stand here and say that there are no records of the money that was spent on water and they cannot be traced, is he...

Order, hon. Senators. Sen. Billow, the Chair is satisfied that the answer you have given is inadequate. The use of the word “onerous” is not necessary because we can account. Governments and all the bureaucracies are all there for accounting purposes. Authority to Incur Expenditure (AIEs) , for a fact,...

Order! Sen. Billow Much obliged, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I will provide the information.

It is not up to you to decide what use can be put to the statistics. Statistics on their own have their own lives. Any Senator can use them. So, that information is extremely necessary and should be supplied. (Sen. Abdirahman stood up in his place)

What is it, Sen. Abdirahman? I thought that we have asked the Chairman to come back with an answer?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, you have made a very wonderful ruling but- -. I am not following up on that. You heard hon. Billow, the Chair---

Order, you cannot say that something is wonderful and then you add the word “but.”

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am not asking you to change anything.

If you want to proceed, you must withdraw the word “but” if the issue must remain wonderful.

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Sen. Billow Sen. Gwendo, what you are presenting is very serious and could cost somebody a profession. Do you have evidence to support your claims? July 31, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. Billow Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to take this opportunity to join my colleagues to thank Sen. Catherine Mukite...

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker for giving me the chance to support this very important Motion. As I stand here to support this Motion, I would like to give my own personal experience of a doctor’s negligence. People, who come from Kisumu County or Nyanza, July 31, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

know this one very good doctor, Dr. Otedo. Dr. Otedo is a professional and very good at his work. However, this is the only doctor you can rely on to give you proper diagnosis, treatment and care to a patient. However, this doctor has his own private clinic somewhere apart...

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Sen. Billow Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House doth agree with the Committee in the said Report. - THAT, the Long Title of the Bill be deleted and replaced with the following new title:- “AN ACT of Parliament to provide, pursuant to Article 202 (2)...

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Sen. BillowHon. Senators, the results are in and are as follows:-

Sen. G.G. Kariuki, did you suggest by any chance that this Senate is just rubber stamping? Is that what you suggested?

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Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House:- Report of the Standing Committee on Finance, Commerce and Economic Affairs on the County Allocation of Revenue Bill, Senate Bill No.1 of 2013. STATEMENTS

Sen. Billow Mr. Speaker, Sir, there was a statement sought by the Senator for Marsabit County and which I was supposed to respond to today. I do not know whether we should wait until Thursday because he is not in.

Sen. Billow - THAT, Clause 4 be amended by deleting the words “Column C of the Schedule” appearing immediately after the words “the manner set out in” and inserting therefor the words “Column C of the Third Schedule”. July 30, 2013 SENATE DEBATES Sen. BillowMr. Chairman, Sir, now we have...

Sen. Billow Mr. Chairman, Sir, I want to support the Chairman of the Committee for this amendment, but really emphasize here that my support goes beyond just the rearrangement. After looking at it critically, I have found that compared to the Bill, the Committee has improved on the management of...

On a point of order, Mr. Chairman, Sir. Could the Chairman of Committee just clarify that amendment? The Chairperson (

Sen. Billow Mr. Chairman, Sir, I appreciate the questions raised by the Senator for Kakamega. Mr. Chairman, first, to respond to your query, the rearrangement of the schedules does not change the final figure. The total sharable revenue in the Bill remains Kshs190 billion and the conditional allocation remains Kshs20...

Sen. Billowirrigation scheme, which is not quite complete, called Oluch Kimira Irrigation Scheme, that is funded by the African Development Bank (ADB). This is the Government’s contribution to that effort from the ADB. So, when you see something in Homa Bay, it is not that there is some misdirection of...

Mr. Chairman, Sir, now we have three schedules as opposed to one schedule. That is the import of the amendment.(Question of the amendment proposed) The Chairperson (

Again, I will not put the question at this point. So, we will proceed. Sen. Billowbudgeting at a much earlier stage, so that when it finally arrives here we can actually audit it and find out whether it is in line with the planning process that we, ourselves, have husbanded...

Mr. Chairman, Sir, I want to support the Chairman of the Committee for this amendment, but really emphasize here that my support goes beyond just the rearrangement. After looking at it critically, I have found that compared to the Bill, the Committee has improved on the management of the conditional...

The Chairperson (

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Sen. Billow Mr. Chairman, Sir, I am just being adventurous. Whereas the Whips will be trying to whip the Senators who out there having coffee, in the meantime, you would use Standing Order No.1 to allow us to go into that stage on schedule. The Chairperson (Sen. Kembi-Gitura) : Sen....

Mr. Chairman, Sir, I just wanted to inform the Chairman of the Committee on Finance, Commerce and Economic Affairs that, although my good brother, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale was talking about Homa Bay derogatorily, actually we have a huge July 30, 2013 SENATE DEBATES

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Sen. Billowhelp build capacity for these county assemblies and their staff. After the Motion has been passed, the Mover and other Members of this House who are well exposed, like the distinguished Senator for Kisumu, among others, should put their heads together and profile a matrix and blue print that...

On a point of order, Mr. Chairman, Sir. The Chairperson (

Yes, Sen. Wetangula? The Senate Minority Leader (