Martha Wangari

Thank you very much. Hon. Phylis Bartoo, Member for Moiben.

Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Leader of the Majority Party.

Next Order. (Hon. Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerks-at-the-Table) QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS The first Question by the Member for Butula, Hon. Joseph Oyula, will be deferred. (Question 250/2023 deferred) So, we will have the next Question by the Member for Emuhaya, Hon. Omboko Milemba. Question 350/2023 PAYMENT OF FUNERAL EXPENSES TO...

Hon. Members, if you want to intervene, press the intervention button. Before we move on to the next Order, allow me to recognise students and pupils from the following schools: In the Speaker’s Gallery, we have Umoja Tulwet Secondary School from Kuresoi North Constituency, Nakuru County; and Firm Foundation Academy...

Thank you, Member for Marakwet West. On behalf of the National Assembly, I welcome all the pupils and students.

Order, Hon. William. I will help Hon. Omboko. We have an addendum to the Standing Orders that allow questions to the independent commissions to be responded to in the committees. So, it is in order. Next Order. PROCEDURAL MOTION LIMITATION OF DEBATE ON MOTIONS SPONSORED BY INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS

Hon. Samwel Chepkonga.

Is that the mood of the House? However, before I put the Question, I will give Hon. Omboko and Hon. Makali Mulu a chance to speak.

Thank you, Hon. Omboko Milemba. Let us have Hon. Makali Mulu.

Thank you, Hon. Makali Mulu. I can confirm that the limitation is on Motions and not Bills. (Question put and agreed to) Hon. Members, before we move on to the next order allow me to recognise, in our Public Gallery, students from the following schools: Ol Kidogoye Primary School from...

You cannot donate your time because you have already spoken to the Motion. I give this chance to the Member for Kanduyi, Hon. John Makali.

Thank you, Hon. Makali. I now call up on the Mover to reply. Hon. Timothy. (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose spoke off the record) The Motion is time-limited, Hon. Pukose. We had three minutes for debate and 10 minutes for the Mover to reply.

Clerk-at-the-Table, please, note that the Mover is very economical with the minutes.

Thank you, Hon. Donya. Hon Bartoo.

Hon. Toroitich.

Mover.

Your time is up Hon. Toroitich. Under Standing Order 253 we will defer the putting of the Question on this Motion. (Putting of the Question deferred) Before we move on to the next Motion, allow me to recognise students, in the Speaker’s Gallery, from the following schools:

Thank you very much, Hon. Omar Mwinyi. Before we move on to the next Motion, under Order No.14, it is important to note that it will be affected by the Procedural Motion that you have already passed. It will have a maximum of one-and-a-half hours of debate. The Mover will...

Hon. Ng’elechei

Members willing to speak to this Motion can indicate. Hon. Abraham Kirwa.

Member for Lang’ata.

Thank you. Before the next speaker, allow me to recognise pupils and students in the Speaker’s Gallery. They are from Upper Hill Academy from Bureti Constituency in Kericho County. In the Public Gallery, we have pupils from Dr Steury Memorial Primary School, Bomet Central Constituency in Bomet County. On my...

Thank you. Member for Kitui West Hon. Edith Nyenze.

Thank you. Member for Sotik, Hon. Francis Sigei.

Thank you Hon. Member. The next chance goes to the Member for Mwingi West, Hon. CNN.

Thank you. Before we move on to the next speaker, allow me to recognise in the Speaker’s Gallery, pupils from Ritaya Primary School from Ndaragwa Constituency, Nyandarua County. Join me in welcoming them to observe the proceedings of the House. The next chance will go to the Member for Kipkelion...

Thank you. Member for Makueni Constituency, Hon. Suzanne Kiamba.

Member for Changamwe Constituency.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to add my voice to this Motion. I congratulate Hon. Brighton Yegon for bringing it to the House. This Motion covers even wider issues that should be open to debate and national conversation. Children do not make an application on where they want...

Thank you, Member for Bumula. Next is the Member for Molo Constituency.

Hon. Pauline Lenguris, the Member for Samburu County.

Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Sotik Constituency.

Thank you. The Member for Kipipiri Constituency is next. 1st August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33 Hon. Wanjiru Muhia (Kipipiri, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support this Motion.I echo the voices of those who have spoken before me, particularly on adding new subjects to the school curriculum to...

Hon. Members, despite the interest in this Motion, our Standing Orders show that the time for its consideration is up. We will call upon the Mover to reply. You have 10 minutes. 1st August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 35

Alright. We will have Hon. Wanjala for two minutes, Hon. Saney for two minutes, Hon. Kirima for two minutes and Hon. Fatuma for two minutes. You will then conclude in two minutes.

Hon. Wanjala.

Hon. Wanjala, I know your time is over, but from what Hon. Kwenya is saying, I do not think you are really out of order. Wind up.

Hon. Waqo, I think Hon. Wanjala has made a general comment on leadership of the church. We have bishops in this House who can defend themselves. So, I will ask you, Hon. Wanjala, to wind up.

Your time is up. Hon. Saney.

Your time is up. Member for Central Imenti.

Thank you. Hon. Fatuma.

Mover, Hon. Shakeel, you have two minutes.

Thank you, Hon. Shakeel. The debate on this Motion is effectively concluded. Under Standing Order 53 (3) , the Question will be put the next day. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. 1st August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 38 ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE VISIT TO SEMI-AUTONOMOUS INSTITUTIONS OF...

Thank you, Hon. Chairperson. Hon. Kemei.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

Thank you, Hon. Member. Member for Marsabit County.

Member for Busia.

Hon. Member for Limuru.

Thank you. Member for Tigania West.

Your time is up. Hon. Fatuma, also known as “Full Network, Member for Migori.”

You made your point, Hon. Mutunga. Hon. Fatuma, please restrict yourself to the Motion. The attributes of your speech should be a property of this House, not from outside. Restrict yourself to the Motion.

Thank you, Member for Migori. Hon. Shieni wa Kieni.

Thank you, Hon. Member. There being no more interest in this Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you, Chair. For the convenience of the House, under Standing Order 53 (3) we will defer putting the Question. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Order Members. The time being

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I also join my colleagues in welcoming the delegation and congratulating Hon. Mule for his consistency in the fight against TB. This is also part of the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) . We recently held a high-level political forum in New York on SDGs. This is...

Thank you, Hon. Rozaah. As guided by the Hon. Speaker and our Standing Orders, every subsequent speaker to this debate will have a maximum of five minutes. No addition. We will debate in decorum since this is a very important Motion. This is the right place to bring this matter....

Order, Hon. Otiende Amollo. You are the one who raised the issue of abuse of the provision for point of order. Hon. Rozaah Buyu also made allegations that were not countered. Please, give the Member a chance to complete his contributions. Do not use the provision for points of order...

Order, Hon. Member! You will get a chance to debate the Motion. Hon. Members, we are all here. We know the context of this debate. Hon. Rosaah Buyu has done very well in moving this Motion. I will give all of you chance to contribute. Hon. Pukose, you have few...

Order, Members! (An Hon. Member spoke off record) There is no Member on the Floor. There cannot be anything possibly out of order. The next chance goes to the Member for Alego Usonga, Hon. Samuel Atandi.

Order, Members! Hon. Atandi, I want to confirm that you have just been supplied with that list before my own eyes. (Hon. Atandi Spoke off record) Yes, it does not matter. However, I will give guidance. You know how “genocide” is defined in the Constitution and in the dictionary. You...

Hon Atandi has already said he does not want to be informed. Continue, Hon. Atandi. Hon. Samuel Atandi (Alego Usonga, ODM) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, before I allow my leader to inform me, I want to urge you not to be partisan on this debate. What you are doing to...

Order, Members! What is out of order, Chair of Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs? Hold on, Hon. Atandi. Leader of the Minority Party, you said it is a point of information. The Member on the Floor said he does not want your information. The Member seeking to raise...

No, your time is up. Do not debate. Continue, Hon. Atandi.

Hon. Atandi, are you able to table a certified document on the numbers and the names? If you are not able to, you will withdraw your allegation. Do not read the document. Order, Members.

Hon. Atandi, we are in agreement. I am not gagging you. The issue of contention is the claim of genocide. There are two ways to go about it. You either table a certified list here or you withdraw the allegation. There are just two ways of going about it.

Order, Hon. Atandi. We will do this the right way. We are a House of records. The Hon. Speaker ruled very clearly during the 11th Parliament that any document tabled here must have a letterhead of the source and it must be stamped. The list I have here is a...

Order, Hon. Junet. Hon. Junet, how did they write these names if they are dead? Order, Hon. Junet. We have sources of statistics in this country. You do not have to be alive. You can be a part of statistics even when you are not alive. Hon. Atandi, wind up....

You have made your point, Leader of Majority Party. I was reluctant to apply it because I thought this House is meant for this kind of ventilation. Standing Orders 107 and 108 are very clear. Hon. Atandi and Hon. Junet, you are totally out of order. (Loud consultations)

Order, Members. The Member for Kimilili is next.

Order, Hon. Masara! (Loud consultations)

Order Members. What is out of order? It had better be out of order Hon. Rozaah. 27th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 27

Order, Members. Hon. Rozaah, you have already raised your point of order. The Speaker approved this Motion. It went through the scrutiny that is required and it is properly before this House. As you debate, Hon. Didmus, restrict yourself to the Motion. Do not cast aspersions on your colleagues -...

Your time is up. The next chance will go to the Member for Siaya, Hon. Christine Ombaka.

Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Ombaka. The next chance we will go to the Member for Kipkelion West, Hon. Hilary.

Hold on, Hon. Hilary. What is out of order, Hon. Junet? (An Hon. Member shouted)

Thank you. Hon. Members, the Motion is very clear and what Hon. Rozaah Buyu brought to this House cuts across the country. You cannot also gag Members; Dr Ombaka will speak about Siaya and someone else will speak about Mombasa because it is part of the context. Unless someone is...

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. We are already guided. Hon. Hilary, please, continue. Hon. Hilary Kosgei (Kipkelion East, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to inform my friend, Hon. Junet, that I was using this point to justify why it was necessary for the police to...

What is out of order, Member for Dagoretti South? Hon. John Kiarie (Dagoretti South, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I have utmost respect for the Leader of the Minority Party. I was keen to listen through to his speech so that I can respond when I get an opportunity. However,...

Do not debate, Hon. KJ. That is a point of debate.

Order, Members. The next chance will go to the Member for Thika.

Hon. Junet, are you ready? Before Hon. Junet contributes, I will give the opportunity to Hon. Korere.

Asante, Mhe. Korere. Muda wako umeisha. Sasa tumsikize Mhe. Junet Mohamed.

Hon. Junet, please proceed. In all these demonstrations that happen in the country, I have not seen any recorded death from stones. There is nobody who has been killed because of throwing stones. People have been killed because of bullets. Who owns the bullets? Is it the public or the...

Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, I do not want us to use points of order and information to debate. Hon. Member for Mathira, what is out of order?

Order, Members. Order Hon.

Hon. Junet, your time is up. The next chance goes to the Hon. Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Ichung’wah, do you want to be informed by Hon. Catherine Omanyo?

Order, Hon. Members! You shall not address Members across the aisle. If you need to catch the Speaker’s eye you know what to do. Hon. Rozaah Buyu and Hon. Millie Odhiambo do not shout across the Floor. You are out of order.

Order, Hon. Members! I indulge you to observe decorum. Hon. Otiende Amollo you can confirm this came from the side on my left. I request we observe our Standing Orders. Do not cast aspersions to leaders or get out of topic. Leader of the Majority Party.

Order, Members! We have done very well until this point. So, let us not shout across the Floor. If you want to put an intervention you know what to do.

Hon. Millie what is out of order?

Order, Hon. Members! I have listened to all of you. These allegations have come from both sides of the House. I have heard Members saying people were shot from the back, others from the front or the police were shot at. If we are to progress, let us be keen...

Order, Hon. Members! I know many of you want to speak. I want to confirm we have a lot of time for everyone to speak. We have an hour-and-a-half to go. So, we will give the Leader of the Majority Party time to wind up because his time is up.

Order, Hon. Members! I do not remember Hon. Ichung’wah being the National Intelligence Service boss or anything like that. Hon. Ichung’wah, please continue.

Order, Members! Kindly remove(Loud consultations)

Hon. Kamket, are you on a point of order too? If you are waiting to speak please remove your intervention. Leader of the Majority Party, you have one minute to wind up. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona consulted loudly)

Order, Members. Order! (Loud consultations) 27th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 41

Your time is up. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Suzanne, order.

Hon. Waqo, no. What is your point of order? Hon. Millie Odhiambo, shouting across the aisle is actually out of order. Hon. Suzanne Kiamba was going on very well. Let the Member for Makueni Constituency continue.

What is out of order, Leader of the Majority Party?

Order, Members.

Leader of the Majority Party, that is a point for debate. Member for Makueni Constituency, wait for the microphone.

Order, Members. What is out of order?

Member for Endebess Constituency... Hon. Members, at the start of this sitting, Senior Counsel Otiende Amollo raised a very important point on abuse of points of order. So, please, if something is not out of order, let us let the Members finish what they are saying.

Order, Members. Hon. K.J, you have made your point but I want to agree with you that the heckling is unparliamentary, and out of order. (Hon. Members shouted) Let me finish. Order Members. Heckling is not a preserve of one side. I would really request both sides to maintain decorum....

Order, Members. The point of information has to be allowed by the Speaker and the Member, but her time is already up. Order, Members. What is it? Hon. Suzzane, I will give you a minute to wind up then I will give chance to the next person.

Order, Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Hon. Rindikiri, do you want to be informed by the Leader of the Majority Party?

Order, Hon. Members. Leader of the Majority Party, the point of information was supposed to go Hon. Rindikiri. Hon. Rindikiri, you have a minute to wind up.

Order. Order, Hon. Members. The Leader of the Majority Party was on a point of order. He was not contributing. You will not react to the point of order. Hon. Rindikiri, that was a point of information.

What is your point of order, Leader of the Minority Party?

Order, Members. Order Members.

Order, Members. Hon. Rindikiri, your time is up. Let us keep the decorum of this House. I am also struggling to hear. I want to know what a Member said when you raise a point of order. You 27th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 47 are making too much noise...

Order, Hon. Junet. Even the Mover of this Motion is a Member of the same committee. Let us not go there. Hon. Rozaah is a Member of the committee. Hon. Tongoyo, please continue.

Hon. Millie, what is out of order?

Hon. Members, please take your seat. Hon. Millie, what is your point of order?

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, I have given you this microphone more than once. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Millie Odhiambo. Order, Hon. Millie. You are an experienced Member of this House. I have already given you the microphone. I will ignore that. Continue, Hon. Tongoyo.

Do you want to be informed by the Leader of the Majority Party?

Hon. Tongoyo, continue. (Several Members stood in their places) You will not stand. Take your seats. In fact, I have only two people who have put interventions here. Hon. Tongoyo, please continue.

Order, Hon. Members! A Member has risen in his place under Standing Order 35. Therefore, I order the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the bell for 10 minutes. Serjeant-at-Arms, ascertain the numbers in the House. Serjeant-at- Arms, I cannot hear the bell. Is the bell being rung? (The Quorum Bell was rung)...

Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Order Members. When the bell is ringing, no one should go out. Hon. Wamboka, come back. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the bell for extra five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order Members. Kindly halt the ringing of the bell. We have the required numbers. Leader of the...

Next Order. DEVELOPMENT OF COMPREHENSIVE POLICY ON JUNIOR SECONDARY SCHOOLS 26th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2 Next Order. THE HIGHER EDUCATION LOANS BOARD (AMENDMENT) BILL THE PENAL CODE (AMENDMENT) BILL This Bill has a balance of two hours and 43 minutes. Could the Clerks-at-the-Table confirm whether anyone was on...

Thank you. Member for Tharaka.

Thank you. Hon. Phylis Bartoo, Member for Moiben, are you willing to speak to this one? (Hon. Phylis Bartoo spoke off the record) All right, let us hear Hon. Joseph Munyoro, Member for Kigumo.

Member for Kiambaa, Hon. John Kawanjiku.

Hon. Njeri Maina, Member for Kirinyaga.

Member for Kitui West, Hon. Nyenze. Member for Sirisia, Hon. Waluke. He is also not in the House. I have been told that Hon. Nyenze had spoken to this Bill. There being no further interest in this Bill, we will close debate. The Mover will be called upon to reply....

Order, Hon. Member! Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, this House is very serious on this debate. Standing them down does not mean they will not come back to the Order Paper. Allow us to continue.(Motion deferred)Next Order. DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF PROGRAMME FOR VOLUNTARY REGULARIZATION OF LAND OCCUPIED BY SQUATTERS FOR PRESCRIBED...

The first opportunity will go to Hon. Phyllis Bartoo, Member for Moiben.

Thank you. The next chance will go to the Member for Kitui South, Hon. Racheal Nyamai.

Member for Langata.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support this Report of the Committee on Delegated Legislation. I support it because the anchoring law is

Order, Members. I am not certain that Members have indicated an interest in this specific agenda. I request that if you are willing to speak to this Motion, kindly put your card in the intervention slot, so that I am able to tell who is speaking to what. The next...

Order, Members. Hon. Murugara(Loud consultations) 25th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 9 (Loud consultations)

Thank you, Member for Seme. Member for Emuhaya.

Thank you. Member for Starehe.

Thank you. The Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Justice Kemei, Member for Sigowet/Soin. Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity you have given me so that I can also add my voice on this Report. First and foremost, I want to support the Report that has been brought to the...

I will indulge the Member for Narok County two minutes as we close on that communication.

Thank you Member for Narok. Back to our Motion. The next speaker will be the Member for Kathiani.

Order, Hon. Members. As I had indicated on this Motion, if you are willing to contribute, press on the intervention button. I have only two Members pending, then we will call the Mover to reply if there is no any other interest. Member for Kwanza, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi. 25th July...

Thank you. Member for Sirisia.

Order, Hon. Members. I see there is no more interest on this Motion. I, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply.

Order, Hon. Members. We have the requisite number. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE FOOD AND FEED SAFETY CONTROL COORDINATION BILL 25th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14 Leader of the Majority Party.

(Bill deferred)Thank you. That Order is, therefore, stood down. Next Order. THE NATIONAL RATING BILL Leader of the Majority Party.

Order, Hon. Babu Owino. This is not Embakasi. You do not cross the Floor like that. (Laughter) 25th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 16

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Before Hon. Joash Nyamoko seconds, allow me to interrupt and recognise students from some schools considering that there is a very high number of students in the galleries, and we have some that are travelling far. Some have even left the galleries. I...

Hon. Members, before I give you an opportunity to contribute, allow me to recognise more students in our galleries. In the Public Gallery, we have students of ACK St. Paul Mihuti from Mathioya Constituency, Muranga County, and in the Speaker’s Gallery, we have students of St. Francis Girls Mangu from...

Thank you, Hon. Member. Next is the Vice-Chairlady of the Departmental Committee on Lands, the Member for Naivasha.

Thank you. Next is Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, the Member for Funyula. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off-record)

Leader of Majority Party, the Chair has been signaled, but we made these rules. I know Hon. Oundo, being an Economist, will be economical with his words to fit in 10 minutes.

Hon. Oundo, given your expertise and the fact that you hired the Leader of the Majority Party to be your lawyer, I will exercise my discretion and add you five more minutes. I see your time is running out.

Ahsante, Mbunge wa Funyula.

Asante Mhe. Zamzam. Nafasi hii itamwendea Mbunge wa Marakwet Magharibi, Mhe. Timothy Toroitich.

Member for Buuri.

Thank you. The only Member standing on my left, Hon. Steve Mogaka.

Thank you, Hon. Mogaka. Before the next speaker contributes, allow me to recognise several students seated in our galleries. We have students from St. Angela Academy from Webuye, Bungoma County. They are seated in both the Public and Speaker’s galleries. We also have students from Bondeni Elite Academy from Bureti,...

Thank you. Member for Njoro.

Member for Manyatta.

Thank you. Member for Marsabit.

Member for Borabu.

Thank you. Member for Emurua Dikirr.

Member for Mosop.

Thank you. Member for Kisumu East.

Thank you. Hon. Zamzam.

Ahsante Mhe. Zamzam. Kila

There being no further interest in this matter, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you, Hon. Kamuren. As requested, the putting of the Question will be deferred to the next Sitting. (Putting of the Question deferred) RATIFICATION OF THE KIGALI AMENDMENTS ON THE MONTREAL PROTOCOL ON THE SUBSTANCES THAT DEPLETE THE OZONE LAYER

Hon. Members, before the first speaker, allow me to recognize students seated in the Public Gallery: St. Martin Catholic School from Othaya in Nyeri County. I welcome them to observe the deliberations of the House. The first chance goes to the Member for Kisumu East.

Thank you. Let us have Hon. Florence.

Member for Starehe Constituency.

Thank you. Hon Murugara.

Thank you, Member for Tharaka. Member for Seme.

Thank you, Dr. Nyikal. Member for Marsabit.

Member for Kesses.

Thank you, Hon. Member. I call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you, Hon. Member. I will defer the putting of the Question to the next Sitting. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being