Martha Wangari

Serjeants-at-Arms, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, Hon. Members. We now have the requisite numbers to transact business. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS TO THE MEDIATION COMMITTEE ON THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Members, you...

Member for Nyando.

Thank you. Before I give a chance to the next speaker, allow me to recognise students in the Speaker's Gallery today. We have Chereta Secondary School, Laikipia West Constituency, Laikipia County; Mwihoko Secondary School, Ruiru Constituency, Kiambu County and the best three students from Kapsabet Girls, Emgwen Constituency, Nandi County....

Thank you. The next chance will go to the Member for Endebess.

Thank you. Let us have the Hon. Leader of the Minority Party. 5th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 5

Thank you. Let us have Hon. KJ.

Hon. Member for Malava.

Hon. Member for Navakholo.

Hon. Member for Runyenjes, this is your second shot.

Thank you. I now call upon the Chairman of the Public Petitions Committee. I give you two minutes to assure the House that follow-up will be done.

We are almost closing this debate. Member for Thika Town.

Thank you. This chance goes to the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education.

Thank you. Hon. Members, to close this matter is the Member for Lamu County, Hon. Muthoni Marubu. She is doing her maiden speech. Therefore, she will be heard uninterrupted and in silence for a maximum of ten minutes.

Order, Members. Thank you, Hon. Muthoni Marubu. (Hon. Muthoni Marubu withdrew from the Chamber) (Applause) Leader of the Majority Party.

Chairperson of the Departmental

Chairperson of the Departmental

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Social Protection. Hon. Alice, you are being distracted by the Member for

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS Chairperson of the Departmental ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INQUIRY INTO ALLEGED MALPRACTICES IN THE 2022 KCSE EXAMINATIONS

Hon. Melly, you have been here long enough. This is a notice of a motion and, therefore, you do not need a Seconder. Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INQUIRY INTO THE DEL MONTE KENYA LIMITED LAND TUSSLE

Before I give the next person, allow me to recognise the following students in the Public Gallery: Kalisasi Primary School from Mwingi Central Constituency, Kitui County; Kivandini Secondary School from Yatta Constituency, Machakos County; Nairasirasa Primary School from Narok North Constituency, Narok County and Oloolaiser Primary School from Narok South...

Hon. Member for Mwingi Central, you have just campaigned in this House by sending greetings. Hon. Members, the next Motion is by the Member for Homa Bay Town, Peter Kaluma. If he is not in the House, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands, you are supposed to give...

Hon. Kaluma are you ready for your Motion? NOTICE OF ADJOURNMENT ON A MATTER OF URGENT NATIONAL IMPORTANCE DEPLOYMENT OF KENYAN POLICE TO HAITI 5th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14

Are the Members on their feet supporting the Motion of Adjournment?

Order, Hon. Members!

Order, Hon. Members! Hon. Peter Kaluma, you will move the Motion again.

Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, your time is up. You have made your point. I have heard Hon. Chepkonga. I have also heard from the Chair of the Committee in which Hon. Kaluma is a ranking Member. I think there is something we need to do because this matter...

Order, Hon. Kaluma. Because I have immense respect for you, I sit with you in the Speaker’s Panel, I have read Standing Order 33 (2) and (3) . If the numbers were not in question, we would have already allotted time. However, I am also bound to listen to Members...

Member of Parliament for Homa Bay Town, kindly do not take us in circles. You either move it or drop it. Do not take us in circles. If you are moving it, move it. We cannot, however, keep on waiting for you. Move the Motion. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Members, can you take your seats? Hon. Catherine Omanyo, Hon Mbui, Hon. Mulyungi, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, Hon. Mayaka and Hon. Bedzimba, take your seats. Hon. Omanyo and Hon. Kibagendi, move away from the Mace and take your seats. Just to be on record, we will go back to Order...

You have the requisite numbers. The Motion will be allocated time at 6.30 p.m. today. Next Order. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Junet, you know that is a Procedural Motion. It has to be on the Order Paper, and it is not there. Order, Members. We hear you, Hon. Junet. However, at 6.30 p.m., we will have adjourned for Motion of Adjournment on a Matter of Urgent National Importance. When the...

Hon. Junet, why are you not talking?

Hon. Junet, that is enough information for one day. (Laughter) 5th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 20 Leader of the Minority Party, you have made your point. You have 30 seconds. I will give the opportunity to the Leader of the Majority Party and then I will make a ruling.

Order, Leader of the Minority Party. You have made your point. Kindly restrict yourself to the memo. I will give the Leader of the Majority Party two minutes to comment on it and then we will make a way forward.

Leader of the Majority Party, you have made your point. 5th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21

Hon. Basil, what is burning?

Hon. Basil, you are totally out of order. Maybe I need to update you on that. Even if it was shared on television or… (Hon. Wanami Wamboka consulted loudly) I heard him. Hon. Wamboka stop shouting. Hon. Basil has said that what the Leader of the Majority Party is holding...

Please, wind up. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : The Leader of the Minority Party should have been kind enough to table that particular circular of 2015. Hon. Members… (Hon. Junet Mohamed spoke off the record) Hon. Junet, you have already prosecuted this matter. Order Members. If this circular is...

Let us have the Chairperson of the Committee on Implementation. Is he in the House? The Vice-Chairperson? Hon. Raphael

Thank you, Leader of the Minority Party. I know you have all the power to take the necessary action. We expect that response in two weeks. Before we go to the next Statement, allow me to recognise students in the Speaker’s Gallery. (Applause)

Thank you. You have another Statement? 5th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26

Order, Hon. Wamboka. This place accommodates our Clerks-at-the-Table, especially when we are headed to Committee of the whole House. Hon. Wanami Wamboka (Bumula, DAP-K) : They are supposed to be in uniform. (Laughter) Hon Wamboka, I assure you that we have no strangers in the House. Hon. Osoro, please, proceed.

Thank you. The Chairperson, Transport and Infrastructure Committee, do you want to comment on the Statement?

Thank you, Hon. Chairperson. We have put that matter to rest. The Chairperson of the Select Committee on National Government-Constituencies Development Fund. APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT TO NG-CDF COMMITTEES

Hon. Chepkonga.

Okay. (Question proposed)

Serjeant-at-Arms, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Members walked into the Chamber) Order, Hon. Members. We now have the requisite numbers to transact business. Clerk-at-the-Table, proceed with Order No.1. Hon. Bwire. ACCESS TO NATIONAL PARKS BY LIVESTOCK GRAZERS DURING...

Thank you, Hon. Bwire. I will give an opportunity to a few Members to comment on this Petition. Hon. Haika

Asante sana, Mheshimiwa Haika.

Hon. Members, you know we have very serious business today. Limit your comments to two minutes. We have a maximum of 30 minutes on this Petition. I will indulge a few more Members so that we can get more Members to speak. Member for Nyeri Town.

Hon. Members, for good order and instead of raising your hands, kindly put your cards in the intervention box and I will pick you up. Member for Bura.

Member for Endebess. 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 3

Hon. Adan Yusuf.

Member for Kilifi.

Muda wako umekwisha. Nampatia

Sijui ni ndovu ama ni masaa mnataka yarefushwe. Mbunge wa Kathiani, Mhe Mbui.

Thank you. Member for Sigor, Hon. Peter Lochakapong.

Your time is up. Member for Tigania West.

Member for Tharaka.

Hon. Mayaka, you can only inform a Member who is on his feet. No one has started speaking. Hon. Member for Tharaka, go on.

Member for Yatta. Hon. Mayaka, I will indulge you after we finish the comments on this Petition.

Member for Maara, Hon. Kareke Mbiuki.

Hon. Members, I would like to bring this to a close but I will give the Member for Isiolo South a chance. The time is up for the public petition comments.

Thank you, we have closed comments on this issue. It will be committed to the Committee on Public Petitions. Before we go to the next issue, allow me to recognise students in the Public Gallery: Dogamano Secondary School from Kigumo Constituency, Murang’a County; Merorere Boys Secondary School from Imenti South...

Order Members! Order all(Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)

Hon. Members, remember this issue was raised here yesterday. It has been raised here many times. It is an issue of national importance. On that issue, we are on the same page. I know the Member for Kisii County had drafted a statement on that issue. She did not do...

Thank you, Hon. Kangogo. This issue was raised here yesterday. There was a clear direction by the Speaker to the Leader of the Majority Party that we will need to have the cabinet secretaries of the two ministries appear before the House. Member for Kisii County.

Order, Hon. Donya. We only have three parliamentary languages: English, Kiswahili and Kenyan Sign Language. Those are the only languages that can be used. (Laughter)

Hon. Member, I think the Member for Buuri already clarified and said he has three women, including the daughters and the wife in the house. So, allow him to finish.

Hon. Chikati.

Nominated Member, Hon. Sabina.

Thank you, Hon. Members. I will give the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education to say something, then the Chairperson of the Kenya Women Parliamentary Association (KEWOPA) and then we will close this matter.

KEWOPA Chairperson, Hon. Leah

Hon. Members, we will put a close to the debate on this issue. The Chairmen of the Departmental Committees on Health and 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 12 Education and the Leader of the Majority Party will give a commitment on when and how we resolve this issue.Leader of...

It is well directed. Note my direction. It is not the Departmental Committee on Health, but the two ministries of Public Service, Gender and Affirmative Action and the Education one. Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Next Order. Chairperson, Diaspora Affairs and Migrant Workers Committee.

Chairperson, Select Committee on National Government Constituency Development Fund (NG-CDF) . 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13

Chairman, Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Chairperson of the Select Committee on Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library.

Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture.

Chairperson of the Departmental

Hon. Melly, we are not yet on that Order. Hold on. We are still on Papers. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS Chairperson of the Select Committee on National Government Constituencies Development Fund. APPROVAL OF NOMINEES FOR APPOINTMENT TO NG-CDF COMMITTEES 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14

Next is Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba, Member for Githunguri. ESTABLISHMENT OF A NATIONAL POLICY TO COMBAT OBSTETRIC VIOLENCE IN KENYA

Next is the Chairperson of the Select Committee on Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON ENHANCING REPORTING OF PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS ON ONLINE PLATFORMS

Next is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. ADOPTION OF SESSIONAL PAPER NO.1 OF 2023 ON KENYA NATIONAL POPULATION POLICY FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT

Hon. Members, for the convenience of the House, we will change the order of the Order Paper. We will go to Order No.8 and then revert to Order No.7. THE STATUTE LAW (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) BILL QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Order, Members. Before we get to the Cabinet Secretary, a few Members...

Thank you, Member of Parliament for Kirinyaga. This being a Personal Statement, no comment will be made. The next Statement will be made by the Member of Parliament for Tinderet. Hon. Members, I know you wanted to speak to this as I can see the interest, but read your Standing...

Before I call for the next Statement, allow me to recognise PCEA Ibiriga Church Women’s Guild from Chuka/Igambang’ombe Constituency, Tharaka Nithi County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. On my own behalf and that of the House, we welcome you to observe the proceedings. We will give the next...

Thank you, Member for Mathare. Hon. Members, you can read Standing Order 43 all the way to 43 (3) . It has given leeway to the Speaker to exert discretion. I will give permission for three comments to a maximum of three minutes each then we will get to the...

Thank you, Leader of the Minority Party. Hon. Member for Endebess.

Hon. Junet.

Your time is up, Hon. Junet. I will indulge the Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Members, also remember that the Member for Mathare has made a General Statement. There are other avenues of bringing this issue to the Floor. I will give the Leader of the Majority Party a...

Leader of the Majority Party.

Order, Members! We will not indulge more than that on this issue. The Cabinet Secretary for Health is in the House. We will go to the Questions. We have already overshot the time we would have had the Cabinet Secretary start. We will have the first Question. Hon. Mishi Mboko,...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, please, note that we have a number of Questions. So, keep your answers short and precise so that we can make progress. Please, take the microphone. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. It is, indeed,...

Hon Cabinet Secretary, note the follow-up questions then you will respond once. Hon. Members, if you want to ask a follow- up question, kindly, indicate that by use of the intervention button. Member for Yatta.

Cabinet Secretary, please, answer those follow-up questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Members. On the preparedness for El Nino, we have a multi- agency and multi-sectoral committee chaired by the Deputy President. We had our first meeting on preparedness...

Waziri. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This Question got to me this morning while I was actively participating in the Public Investments Committee (PIC) . I have done a response, but I also seek more time for my office to submit...

Mheshimiwa Zamzam.

Cabinet Secretary, on Mheshimiwa Zamzam’s question, the Bill is still in Parliament. Respond to the question by Hon. Titus. The Bill has not even passed yet. Let us avoid pre-empting Bills that are still before the House. I also direct that the document you have, be submitted to the questioner...

Thank you, Hon. Member. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, can you clarify? The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Member. Services at NHIF are continuing to be offered and we continue to work. We have just finalised a governance issue where we now...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. On that Question, I will respond to part one. On parts two and three, I will give explanation. The KNH Pension Scheme, that is the Defined Benefit Scheme (DB Scheme) ,...

We will have one more question from the Member for Tetu.

Thank you, Hon. Member even though the matter you have raised is not related to Question 108/2023. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. As I requested earlier, it is true that I had a written submission...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, epilepsy is one of the non-communicable diseases (NCDs) that is a top priority for the Ministry of Health. Objective two of the Kenya Health Policy 2014-2030 has prioritised interventions to halt and reverse the rising burden...

Order, Hon. Members! The ongoing kamukunji, led by the Member for Kabete, please, do not distract the Member for Kwanza. Keep the tones of your consultations low. He wants to hear. Proceed, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon....

Thank you. As we get Hon. Gikaria, Hon. Cabinet Secretary, ensure that you give correct, timely and updated information in your responses. Hon. Gikaria.

Thank you, Member for Nakuru Town East. You have raised a very important issue. Because I have seen the copy of the responses, I think it should be tabled so that the Table Office can make copies on request by Members if they would like to indulge further. Hon. Cabinet...

Cabinet Secretary, as you respond to this one, Members were asking what Velo is. Include that answer in your response. Please, wait a bit, Cabinet Secretary. 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 34

Hon. Sabina Chege, I just want to confirm that you have not opened or used it at all. (Laughter) 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 35 Health, on 21st January 2021, directed that nicotine pouches, including Lyft, be regulated as tobacco products under the Tobacco Control Act of 2007, and...

Thank you. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Hon. Mayaka, I do not want to ask how you know that. Cabinet Secretary, there is a lot of interest in this matter. One important issue you need to address is why re-introduce to the Kenyan market an already withdrawn product despite it bearing a different brand name. There was...

Thank you, Hon. Chairperson. Cabinet Secretary, as you respond, note that the Departmental Committee Chairperson has alluded to the fact that law-making is not done outside this House. I hope we take up our responsibility. Member for Thika, I will indulge you for one minute to ask a follow-up question,...

Thank you very much, Member for Thika. I need to have a copy of that response to refer to. Member for Navakholo, please, close this session of questions so that the Cabinet Secretary can respond.

Hon. Members, I want to close this matter. Hon. Ruweida Obbo, what is out of order?

Hon Cabinet Secretary, please, respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan. Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. If you are able to make a declaration that velo be removed from the market, as the Ministry of Health, we will be the happiest lot. This is because we will...

This Question will be dropped. (Question 214/223 dropped) The next Question is by Nominated Member, Hon. Irene Mayaka. Question 306/2023 NATIONAL HEALTH SURVEY ON MENTAL ILLNESS

Thank you, Hon. Irene. Cabinet Secretary. (Hon. Harrison Kombe spoke the record) Hon. Kombe, you can only ask a follow-up question after the response. Hold on. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Members. According to the Kenya Mental Health Policy...

Those are enough. Hon. Kombe.

Hon. Members, let us not answer for the Cabinet Secretary. Just ask follow-up questions. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, please respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Members, the youth counsellors in schools was out of a working collaboration between my ministry and the...

While at it, Hon. Cabinet Secretary, please, educate these Members on what an intersex person is because I can already hear the 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43 Member for Nyando shouting LGBTQ. Kindly educate the House on who an intersex person is.The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, I know these are medical terms. Please continue with your answer. If any Member will need clarification, I am sure there are doctors in the House led by the one Member for Endebess Constituency, to clarify. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr. Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you....

We get it, Member for Endebess. I think that was for Hon. Omanyo. I hope you can get The Hansard, if you did not hear everything, so that you can refer to the explanation. Let us have the follow-up question by Hon. Umulkher.

Thank you. That was very quick and precise. Member for Funyula.

Hon. Gikaria, I want you to be the last one. Cabinet Secretary, I hope you have noted the question by the Member for Funyula on whether infertility is covered. Hon. Gikaria, one minute.

Cabinet Secretary, kindly respond. 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 45 for other services, like stem cells, which we consider cosmetology hence not covered under the NHIF.With regard to ADR, I believe that would be an individual responsibility. Once a person appears at the facility seeking guidance, we have experienced...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. The Kenya Medical Training College has put in place measures to ensure there is uninterrupted learning in all the campuses in the country. Thanks to this honourable House, in the Budget Estimates...

We will have one more follow-up question by Hon. Sunkuli. Hon. Members, you know we have business to transact up to 9.00 p.m. I will give Hon. Sunkuli a chance, then I will give the Cabinet Secretary a chance to respond.

Cabinet Secretary The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Members. On the issue of availability of students to the existing MTCs, I would like to seek the indulgence of Members that we look at this as a production and development value...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. The Kenya Health Policy (2014-2030) and the Kenya Health Sector Strategic Plan (2018-2023) , in line with Articles 7 (3) (b) and (54) (1) of the 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, I would not ask the Member for Endebess. Kindly just go on and clarify along the way. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. It is an influence of my mother-tongue and inability to say cochlear, so I...

You do not have the capacity to donate, but I will give Hon. Bisau who has been on the queue to ask a follow up question. We will then have Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a.

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I had only put it to support the issue of sanitary towels raised by Hon. Njeri because I think it is overdue. Just the way condoms are free and sex is a choice, for menstruation you cannot choose. On this issue, the ping-pong between the...

Before I give an opportunity to the next speaker, allow me to recognise students from Dr. Wachira Secondary School in Laikipia West Constituency, Laikipia County. The Member is not in the House. He would have confirmed whether this school was named after him. On my behalf and that of the...

Thank you, Hon. Kangogo. The next speaker is the Member for Sotik. Is he in the House? If not, let us have Hon. George Gitonga Murugara, the Member for Tharaka.

Member for Mwingi Central, Hon. Gideon Mulyungi.

It is Mulyungi. 3rd October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23

Hon. Mulyungi, I do not know why you are inviting trouble.

What is out of order, Hon. Ichung’wah? (Laughter)

Take your seat, Hon. Mulyungi.

Leader of the Majority Party, do not be tempted to debate. You can do that when replying. Hon. Mulyungi, I am sure you meant it in jest. Continue.

Member for Dagoretti South, Hon. John Waweru.

Hon. KJ, do you want to be informed by Hon. Tom Anthony Oluoch?

Hon. Tom Oluoch.

Hon. KJ, you are well guided.

Thank you. Member for Funyula.

Hon. Oundo, unfortunately you know you served with Hon. Murugara and I in the last Parliament. So, we know the implied meaning. Please, avoid casting aspersions on your colleagues.

Your time is up. The Member for Githunguri, Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba.

Member for Ndia, Hon. GK.

Member for Nairobi, Hon. Passaris.

Deputy Whip for the Majority Party and Member for Marsabit County.

Hon. Janet Sitienei, Member for Turbo.

Thank you. The next chance will go to the Member for Kirinyaga County.

Thank you. The next chance goes go to the Member for Seme.

The next chance goes to the Member for Mbeere North Constituency.

Member for Mbeere North, I think you are contributing to the next business. We are on the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill. Kindly, be guided, and if you are not prepared to speak to this one, you can speak when we get to the next one.

Member for Funyula Constituency.

Member for Mbeere North, let me guide you so that as you make the few comments you want to make, you do so on the right Bill. The Bill on the Floor of the House is the Statute Law (Miscellaneous Amendments) Bill,

Order, Hon. Members. A Member has risen, in accordance with our Standing Orders. I will, therefore, put the Question. (Question, that the Mover be called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

There is only one university whose name starts with the article “The” in this country. That notwithstanding, Hon Ichung’wah was responding to what the Member for Mbeere North admitted to. He was using the Leader of the Majority Party’s notes but not his personal notes. Continue, Hon. Ichung’wah. (Laughter)

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. We will defer the putting of the Question to the next sitting, as guided by our Standing Orders. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE PROBABLE LOSS OF INVESTMENTS IN CYTONN HIGH YIELDS SOLUTIONS PLATFORM Chairman, Public Petitions...

Thank you. Let us hear the Member for Turbo.

Hon. Members, the debate on this Motion will resume when the House sits next time because, under our Standing Orders, the adjournment Motion that is to be moved by Hon. Ken Chonga is scheduled to start at 6.00 O’clock. (Debate on Motion deferred) Hon. Members, I now call upon Hon....

Hon. Members, you are aware that Standing Order 33 gives each Member five minutes under this Motion, regardless of ranking or position. Only the Mover may take ten minutes. What is out of order, Member for Gatundu North?

From the look of the House, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. Serjeant-at-Arms, go ahead. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, 10 minutes are over. Kindly, stop the Quorum Bell. Order, Members. Kindly be on your feet. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, there being no quorum, the...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I want to join my colleagues in congratulating the Departmental Committee on Health for this Bill that will ensure efficiency in how we handle our health records. If passed, one of the issues that I like and this Bill will address is the management system and...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes. There is a point of order. Hon. Speaker, with all the respect I have for Hon. Keynan, I think he is mixed up with the Bills. He is debating the Bill in the Order after this. For convenience and the relevance rule,...

Hon. Member for Ugenya.

Thank you. Deputy Whip of the Majority Party.

Next is the Deputy Speaker.

Order, Deputy Speaker. Hon. Justice, what is out of order? Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would not have wanted to interrupt when the Deputy Speaker is speaking, but having listened carefully to the Bill, I would have also wanted to raise issues on...

We will now have the Member for Butula, Hon. Joseph Oyula.

Member for Kwanza.

Thank you. Member for Seme.

Thank you, Hon. Members. We still have business under Order No.12. Even if time is not limited, if we speak for less time, more Members will contribute. Member for Nandi County.

Member for Tigania West.

Thank you. Member for Lagdera.

Member of Parliament for Funyula.

Order, Hon. Members. For those who are consulting, please, note that there are rooms behind the Speaker. Please utilise that space because those numbers are growing by the minute. Member of Parliament for Funyula, continue.

The Member for Kirinyaga was a lawyer the last time I checked. The Hon. Member for Funyula is a land economist. I am not sure. I am a bit confused.

Hon. Injendi Malulu.

Thank you, Hon. Kombe. I will give Hon. Makali Mulu a chance and then I will put the question.

Hon. Members, a Member has risen in his place under Standing Order 95. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover. 26th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 52

Leader of the Majority Party, continue.

Thank you, Leader of the Majority Party. Having ascertained the numbers, I proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to a Committee of the Whole House tomorrow) COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Martha Wangari)...

Hon. Deputy Chairperson.

Mover.

Hon. Melly.

Hon. DK. Hon. David Kiplagat (Soy, UDA) seconded. (Question proposed) Let us have the Member for Seme.

Are you done, Hon. Nyikal? 26th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 113

That is okay. I will give the Chairman a chance to explain.

Chairman, just to guide you. Give us only the implication of the recommittal; a simple, straightforward explanation of the three clauses. The other explanation will be done in the next session.

Therefore, I will put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order! COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE IN THE COMMITTEE THE SUGAR BILL 26th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 114 Clause 6

The Chairman.

Mover.

Hon. Members, the time being

Hon. Speaker, thank you for your indulgence. Two minutes. Thank you. Anywhere there is a scramble, it breeds corruption. Right now the application for this model has to be through HELB. Some students do not even have Identity Cards (IDs) . What Identity Cards and Civil Registration services offices are...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, are you confirming it does not exist? The Cabinet Secretary for Youth Affairs, Sports and the Arts (Hon. Ababu Namwamba) : The system exists only that it has not been activated. I want to clarify that the moment you activate it and send content, it will not...

There are many interventions on this so Cabinet Secretary, please save yourself. The Deputy Speaker has asked if what was launched in State House exists or not. I think I heard you say it does not exist. I will hear Hon. Ochieng’ and then Hon. Fatuma.

Hon. Members, we have already exhausted the one hour intended for questions. I request we let the Cabinet Secretary to finish then, and I allow a few more interventions as we go to the second part of the question which touches on aquatic games asked by a few Members. Hon....

Cabinet Secretary please be precise. The Cabinet Secretary for Youth Affairs, Sports and the Arts (Hon. Ababu Namwamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I will be very precise. I want to confirm that the President launched an initiative called Talanta Hela on 9th June 2023. It had a programme...

Thank you, Hon. Fatuma. I confirm that the question on resignation was by Hon. Memusi. It was from your side, and it was totally different from what the other side asked. Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a from Thika.

Hon. Members, let us keep our questions precise and to the point so that as many people as possible can speak. Hon. K.J. Hon. John Kiarie (Dagoretti South, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. My two questions to the Cabinet Secretary, Hon. Ababu Namwamba, are very succinct. The...

Hon. Mark Nyamita, what concerns me is that under Standing Order 90, you are bound to declare interest as a club owner.

You said that you did not have a question but a comment which I have given you a chance to execute. We can check the Hansard. The next chance will go to Hon. Rindikiri, on this side.

Before the next speaker, allow me to recognise, in the Public Gallery, students from Karama Academy, Msambweni Constituency, Kwale County. Please, join me in welcoming them to observe the proceedings of the House. The next chance will go to Hon. KK, Member for Molo. (Several Members spoke off the record)

Order Hon. Ruku. The next chance will go to Hon. Abubakar Ahmed.

The next chance goes to Hon. Mutunga. Make it short and precise.

Hon. Members, we should not personalise these matters. Member for Sirisia, the microphone is roaming behind you.

Hon. Umulkher.

Let us have the

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Hon. Kagombe.

I also want to confirm, Hon. Kagombe, that the Cabinet Secretary can be made to appear in this House any other time if the House so feels it is important. Let us have the Majority Whip?

Hon. Bensouda.

Order, Hon. Members. We must make progress. We will close this session. We have already gone one hour overboard from the time allocated by the Speaker. We will get to a close because we have serious business ahead. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you will respond to the many questions. Leader of...

Cabinet Secretary, you will answer the ones you can right now, but join them with your closing remarks. Take the shortest time possible. The rest of the questions will be done in the follow-up session.

There is nothing out of order. Let the Cabinet Secretary respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Youth Affairs, Sports and the Arts (Hon. Ababu Namwamba) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, there are, definitely, challenges. I admit. There have been challenges in selection of teams representing the country in various activities. It is...

Hon. Ruku, I hear you, but that issue was already canvased and responded to. Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Youth Affairs, Sports and the Arts (Hon. Ababu Namwamba) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, should I run over the questions in the last session? Yes. The Cabinet Secretary for...

You have made your point. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Youth Affairs, Sports and the Arts (Hon. Ababu Namwamba) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, definitely, calendar of events are normally known. However, the federation initiates participation in these events. The federation is affiliated to the relevant international organisation. The federation...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly No.35 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill (National Assembly Bill No.21 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg report that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Water (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.33 of 2023) and approved the same with amendments.

Sergeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Order, Hon. Mwenje! You should not leave when the bell is ringing. Hon. Members, that is disorderly conduct. Sergeant-at-Arms, you may halt the ringing of the Bell. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS ORDINARY QUESTIONS The first Question is by the Member for Malava, Hon. Malulu Injendi. Question 334/2023...

That Question will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. 16th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 1 Hon. Members, on the next Question, Hon. Tandaza Kassim had requested for the indulgence of the Speaker. We will get back to it later.

Oh, he has made it to the House on time. Hon. Tandaza, I got your communication about the indulgence. Please, ask the Question. Question 365/2023 COMPENSATION FOR PERSONS AFFECTED BY THE DONGO KUNDU BYPASS PROJECT PHASE 3

The Question will be replied to before the Departmental Committee on Lands. Next is the Question by the Member for Turkana North, Hon. Paul Nabui. Is he in the House? We will defer this Question. Question 369/2023 REVOCATION OF TRANSFER OF MR. EMURIA MOSES EBONG’

Hon. Kangogo, first of all, you will be assisted in opening yours. I thought it is accessible. When I sit there, I can open mine. I do not know whether Members have the same problem. Hon. Makali Mulu. 16th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2

We direct the ICT team to look at it. From the experience of the last Session, as Hon. Makali Mulu says, we would access any machine with our credentials on any seat. You would use your password, and you would unlock the screen. We will take it up later and...

Thank you, Hon. Machua. We will defer the putting of the Question of this Motion. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. Member for Langata, Hon. Phelix Odiwuor. PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERNS AT LANGATA CEMETERY

Hon. Onchoke.

Member for Rangwe.

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, Member for Buuri.

Before we hear more horror stories from Members of Parliament and residents of Langata, allow me to introduce pupils seated in the Public Gallery. They are from Ridges View Academy, Naivasha Constituency, my county of Nakuru. On my behalf and that of the House, I welcome them to observe the...

Thank you. The next chance will go to the Member for Lugari, Hon. Nabii Nabwera.

The next chance will go to the Member for Kilifi North, the Deputy Majority Leader.

Member for Embakasi West, Hon. Mark Mwenje.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Kangundo, Hon. Fabian.

Thank you. Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Thank you, Hon. Dorothy. Your time is up. Member for Alego Usonga, Hon. Samuel Atandi.

Thank you. Before we allow the next Member, allow me to recognise a delegation seated in the Speaker's Gallery of Machakos County University Students Association from Machakos Town Constituency, Machakos County. On my behalf, as a product of student leadership alongside many others in this House, allow me to welcome...

Your time is up. Next is Hon. Ken Chonga, the Member for Kilifi South.

Member for Embakasi North.

Thank you. Member for Kwanza, Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

Thank you. Member for Mandera South.

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