MURUGARA GEORGE GITONGA

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, where are they? If they were here, I would table them.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT this House resolves to exempt the business appearing as Orders No. 9,11,13, and 14 in today's Order Paper from the provisions of Standing Order 30th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2 Hon. George...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. There is a little bit of concern with the Statement made by the Prime Cabinet Secretary. At the end of the day, he seems to be telling the House that the Government will be making a saving after harmonisation...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. This is a very urgent statement that needs to be provided before 30th April. The only other and reasonable available time is Tuesday, 29th April 2025. That is the next Sitting after tomorrow. We need a little time...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) We will try but the process of relaying the statement to the relevant Government department takes a bit of time. I am 100 per cent sure that it will reach them in the evening. We will do our very best to ensure that this is...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Mine is a response. Let them request for Statements.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) It is a response.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Yes, my neighbour. REQUEST FOR STATEMENT CHALLENGES IN ACCESS TO MEDICAL SERVICES BY TEACHERS AND POLICE OFFICERS 23rd April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 9

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. This morning, Hon. David Kiplagat, the Member of Parliament for Soy, requested for a Statement regarding the venue for the recruitment of Kenya Prisons Constables in Soy Constituency in Uasin Gishu.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) He is not.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) I actually sent him the Communication I got. I was told to deliver by tomorrow afternoon. Fortunately, Communication from the Director-General of Prisons to confirm how it is going to be in Uasin Gishu County has come. The recruitment will be conducted in the following...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you. I rise to support this Value- Added Tax (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 11 of 2025) . As explained by the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority Party, it is a small Bill, but it has...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I support the Report of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations regarding this Sessional Paper, which has been brought to the House. Sometimes, the country is taken aback when we discuss sessional papers because they are not...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Treaty-making and Ratification (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 9 of 2024) , be now read a Second Time. The principal object of this Bill is to amend the Treaty-making and Ratification Act, Chapter...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to thank everyone who has contributed to this Bill, which is a very important Bill. Openly and candidly, Members have stated how important it is for this House to be involved in treaty-making, instead of just...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support this Bill, which seeks to establish the Kenya National Council for Population and 23rd April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 67 Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)Development in the country. We have considered the Bill for quite some time and...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I am not a Catholic but the Holy Roman Catholic Church is quite close to my heart because of the good it continues to do not only in Kenya but also everywhere in the world. This is a very...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to second. Before you put the Question, I have noticed that Hon. Ruku is here; yet, the Motion to approve his appointment as a Cabinet Secretary is on the Order Paper. Is it in order for...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much for allowing me to support this timely Petition by Hon. Patrick Munene Ntwiga of Chuka/ Igambang’ombe. As it has clearly explained, the colonialists did many injustices when they came to Kenya—one of them being lamping many communities together and naming them...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Absolutely not. I have just told him that I have commented on the Petition. We have not reached the Statements, yet he wants to talk about them. I have, however, told him sorry, but he goes ahead and says I have misled him. I have...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Order No. 19, the Treaty Making and Ratification (Amendment Bill) (No. 2) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 9 of 2024) , is stated under the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. It should be under...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Is that Clause 2? The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : It is Section 2. Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Which one is Section 2? I have Clause 2. Let us get it right. Is it Clause 1? The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) :...

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Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the new amendment be read a Second Time. The justification is that we have to align the term limit of the Director-General of the Financial Reporting Centre with the term limit of heads of counterpart agencies such...

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Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the New Section 18 (2) of the Estate Agents Registration Act (Cap. 533) be now read a Second Time. The justification and rationale for the amendment are that we have to enhance the penalties applicable to unregistered...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairperson. As said by the Leader of the Majority Party, legislation has to leave room for what is known as judicial discretion. We cannot tie a judge to less minimums. We usually give discretion of up to a maximum...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move that the New Clause 3 of the Bill be read a Second Time. What we propose to do is to make a provision on the limitation to the state so that a person who, immediately before...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 1 of the Bill be amended by inserting the words “and shall commence upon publication in the Gazette” immediately after the expression “2025”. We are changing and inserting a commencement date. That date will be the...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. There is always uncertainty when it comes to dates on when Acts of Parliament will commence. Where we have sometimes put dates, those dates have been overtaken by when the Acts are assented to. But we know for...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you, very much, Mr Speaker.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Two weeks should be sufficient for us to answer this sufficiently and in a manner that is satisfactory to the Hon. Lady Member. Thank you very much.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Indeed, that request is timely, the reason being that what the Senate does and continues to do is actually in total breach of the Constitution. Just the other day, they summoned the Judiciary to go and answer questions. I...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also rise to support this important Bill, especially now that the country is talking about taxation. The Excise Duty is one form of taxation in the country where the Government has to raise revenue through taxing imported goods. Such...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) It is okay, he may inform me.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is a little bit hilarious. He makes me laugh now because I am very familiar with the topography of Kitui County, which is similar to that of my county of Tharaka Nithi, especially Tharaka 9th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 20...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The decisions of the House are taken by the House. We are properly constituted. Therefore, we can decide on the issue and agree on it.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hold on. All right. Hon. Kaluma is saying we cannot agree on it. (Hon. Peter Kaluma spoke off the record) Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Where do you get that from? What is the authority for that? Which Standing Order? We have done it before....

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to second the Second Reading of the Bill, which has ably been moved by the Majority Whip of the Kenya Kwanza Coalition of Parties. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Murugara. This is a...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I agree that we are in a state of confusion. That notwithstanding, the Majority Whip has effectively moved the Second Reading of this Bill. This Bill is very important to our economy and the financial transactions of the country because...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) On a point of order. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) What is your point of order, Hon. Murugara? Give him the microphone. Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, is Hon. Peter Kaluma in order to mislead this House that anybody out there......

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) It is not. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) Order, Hon. Murugara.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) I plead for him to be frozen.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, in the Republic of Kenya, under the Statutory Instruments Act, no regulation whatsoever made by any regulation-making authority or anyone else has the force of law that is enforceable unless it comes to this House and approved. I do not understand what...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. 9th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 51 Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)It is very important to acknowledge that, as the Cabinet Secretary answers those questions, members of the public are also following closely with a lot of interest....

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Yes.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) I will start with the use of the word “periodically”. Whether we say constantly or we say from time to time, all of it is periodic. It may be daily, monthly or whatever. I do not think there is any harm with the semantics of...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) The law requires you to make a report to the relevant centre so that we know what happens next. Now, there is a jittery feeling about the imposition of monetary, civil or administrative sanctions, but what I have in mind here is that this is...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs on the approval hearing of Hon. Judith Nayiai Ramaita Pareno for appointment as the Principal Secretary...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs in its Report on the vetting of a nominee for appointment as Principal Secretary, laid on the table of the...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members of the House, for that very high-quality debate we have just had. It has come out clearly that the nominated person in the name of Hon. Judith Pareno is suitable and qualified to take the position....

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Although this is listed under my Departmental Committee, actually it belongs to the Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations. The reason I say so is because I was invited to make a memorandum and I submitted it to that Committee....

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: Reports of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs on its consideration of:

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs in its Report on the vetting of a nominee for appointment as Principal Secretary laid on the Table of...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to second this Motion. I advise the House that when the vote is called, we will be rejecting the Motion that the proposed amendments by the Senate should not be considered such that those amendments will actually be lost and...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance to welcome the team from Maara Constituency. This is on behalf of my good friend, Hon. Kareke Mbiuki, who is not here. I sincerely welcome them to observe the proceedings and see what...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to second the Motion, so that the 63 constituencies may have functional NG-CDF committees to proceed with their functions and discharge their mandates. With those remarks, I beg to second.

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. The issue of hardship allowance and declaration of hardship areas may today be termed historical injustice. It dates back to just days after Independence when the then Minister for Economic Planning and Development, the late Joseph Thomas Mboya, came...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. This is a very important Motion calling upon the House to adopt the Report on a Petition which was presented to the House and committed to the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. The Committee has prepared a...

Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA) Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. 13th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 101 Hon. George Murugara (Tharaka, UDA)As we appropriate this sum of money, the very young universities that were recently chartered have great problems with infrastructure, including Tharaka University. I hope great consideration...