Boss Gladys Jepkosgei

May 12, 2020 SENATE DEBATES 1

Sen. Murkomen Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I congratulate the petitioners for bringing this Petition to the Senate. This House has continued to receive important petitions on matters related to devolution. One of the subjects that has remained contentious is the manner in which human resources is run in...

Sen. Wambua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity to comment on the Petition from Machakos County. I have a few things to say about this Petition in relation to human resource management in many counties. In support of this Petition, I urge the Committee to which you...

Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I thank you for the opportunity. Pursuant to Standing Order No.48, I rise to seek a Statement from the Chairperson of the Committee on National Security, Defense and Foreign Relations concerning the increased incidences of burglaries and general insecurity in the country during the nationwide curfew....

No, this is a security issue. It cannot take more than two weeks. Where is the Chairperson for the Committee on National Defense, Security and Foreign Relations? Is the Vice-Chairperson here? Do we have any member of this Committee? What about the Senate Majority Leader or the Deputy Majority Leader?...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move and request Sen. Sakaja to second it. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Well done, Sen. Kasanga. You have come from far since the days of the shoes debacle. (Laughter) Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I deliberately asked my...

Sen. Sakaja

Can you not get a better example Sen. Sakaja?

Even for other non-virus pandemics. Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Ochillo-Ayako Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Bill. Let me first congratulate the Committee, they have done a good job. They are ably chaired by my brother, Sen. Sakaja, and my sister, Sen. Kasanga. Thank you for the good work...

Sen. Ochillo-Ayako

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is a sagacious and well-thought out ruling. It is measured in every aspect of your findings and it is extremely deep. I have listened to my colleagues raise very valid points. It is said that to whom much is given, much more is...

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1:59:40, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I do not want to leave out the 40 seconds. I may shape it because I think that it is better because it will stay for longer. Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, allow me to respond to something that Sen. Orengo has said. Apart from being...

Sen. Cherargei

Sen. Cherargei Because you are on a point of order, you can own it severally.

Thank you, Sen. Cherargei for those beautiful remarks. What is your point of order, Sen. Olekina?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)accessing their offices. When you look at the County Governments Act that you alluded to, the county headquarters are designated. Therefore, does it mean that when you now sit, for instance, in Kiambu and you then decide to sit in Ruiru, are you not going...

Proceed, Sen. Olekina.

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Thank you, Sen. Olekina. There are a number of things; first of all, Section 6 (A) of the County Governments Act, one of the amendments – I think this year or last year – you will remember that when we passed the law on where the headquarters of each county...

Sen. Olekina It is okay, Sen. (Eng.) Maina. Those are important views. They are alternative views and you know nobody has finality in terms of wisdom and knowledge. Wisdom and knowledge is infinite. You have raised two issues. The first one about authority is partly true, but also given the...

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Sen. (Eng.) Maina Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to make my contribution, not to support, but oppose the National Assembly Bill, the Statues Law Miscellaneous (Amendment) Bill. Last year, there was an omnibus amendment Bill from the National Assembly that introduced Section 9 (a) on the Registration of Persons...

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THE STATUTE LAW (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) (NO. 2) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 13 OF 2018)

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farmers selling milk, but it is wrong when people decide to adulterate to preserve the milk for a longer period. When we have an Act of Parliament, there is nothing that protects the consumers.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I oppose this punitive law in this Bill and I hope that we...

Very well, I see no other request. Mover, please reply. Sen. Kihika Very well.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Thank you. You can have your seat. Sen. Kihika, I just want to offer some guidance. When you are called upon to reply, you start by saying; “Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply.” Then you talk and when you finish, you say:...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Very well. Sen. Kihikayou with. It may be a name or character out of their making, but that is the name that is in their mind.As Senators and lawyers in this House may know, when you want to use that name, it is an...

Sen. (Eng.) Maina

Sen. (Eng.) Maina

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I congratulate the Chairperson of the Committee on Energy who is the Senator for Nyeri. This Bill is a clear indication of innovative thinking. I am lucky because my legal name is also my nickname and it worked to my advantage. Nicknames...

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I congratulate the Chairperson of the Committee on Energy who is the Senator for Nyeri. This Bill is a clear indication of innovative thinking. I am lucky because my legal name is also my nickname and it worked to my advantage. Nicknames are unique...

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have listened to the few ideas posed here and there. On the issue of putting names in brackets, I leave that to the drafting and the Commission to see how best that should be done. On the choice of name, if...

(Laughter)

(Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

ADJOURNMENT

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Sen. (Eng.) Mahamud, proceed. Any other Senator before I close the Petition?

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Sen. Cheruiyot Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The progress of any society or institution hinges strongly on the kind of human resource that the particular institution or body can attract. The fact that as the Senate, almost seven or eight years into devolution, we have not resolved the long...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I could see as if you are squinting.

The things you are saying are right, but they cannot be said from where you are sitting.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would like to add my voice to support the Petition by the citizens of Machakos that they should be treated right and with respect. Those of us who are grey in the head remember a time when this country employed people based on...

Sen. Sakaja

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as I conclude, I want to thank Sen. Wambua because it is painful. Money has been deducted over years from peoples’ salaries and it is not remitted. Some of the proposals we are bringing as the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare--- I am glad that...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will add two things on this one. First, I support the Petition fully because it is very important. I informed Sen. Wambua that matters of Early Childhood Development Education (ECDE) have been of great challenge for a long time in counties. The Senate...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

CONSULTATION ON THE THIRD BASIS FOR REVENUE SHARING AMONG COUNTY GOVERNMENTS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Hon. Members, first, we have the Chairperson of the Ad Hoc Committee on COVID-19 Situation in Kenya. Proceed, Sen. Sakaja.

Sen. SakajaI beg to lay on the Table of the House today, Tuesday 12th May, 2020, the Fifth Progress Report of the Ad Hoc Committee on Committee on COVID-19 Situation in Kenya.Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Order, Sen. Mwangi and Sen. Sakaja! None of you has laid any document. You have just told us what you are doing, but have not done it practically.

Sen. Mwangi Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we consulted the Clerk and he told me that they had the Paper.

Sen. Mwangi Next Order.

NOTICE OF MOTION

May 12, 2020 SENATE DEBATES 9 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Hon. Senators, we have three Statements pursuant to Standing Order No. 47 (1) and six Statements under Standing Order No. 48 (1) . Those are nine Statements. We will move on chronologically at lightning speed. We will limit...

MISLEADING INFORMATION IN THE MEDIA CONCERNING CORONAVIRUS (COVID-19) PANDEMIC The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Bw. Naibu Spika, kulingana na sheria zetu za Bunge Kipengele 47 (1) ninasimama kuongea kuhusu jambo ambalo linahusika na kaunti, kuhusu kubakwa na kuuawa kinyama kwa msichana, ilhali alikuwa ni mototo mdogo sana wa miaka...

Bw. Naibu Spika, kulingana na sheria zetu za Bunge Kipengele 47 (1) ninasimama kuongea kuhusu jambo ambalo linahusika na kaunti, kuhusu kubakwa na kuuawa kinyama kwa msichana, ilhali alikuwa ni mototo mdogo sana wa miaka 16. Anaitwa Margaret Shukrani Masha.

Sen. Madzayo Bw. Naibu Spika, Taarifa ambayo iko hapa ni katika lugha ya Kiingereza ambayo niliandika, lakini nimeitafsiri kwa Kiswahili.

Sen. MadzayoMr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to make this Statement on behalf of the people of Kilifi County, who in their wisdom, entrusted me with this position, and I hold utmost respect for them. The admiration for this Senate is unmatched.On the evening of Tuesday, 4th February, 2020 at...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to make this Statement on behalf of the people of Kilifi County, who in their wisdom, entrusted me with this position, and I hold utmost respect for them. The admiration for this Senate is unmatched.On the evening of Tuesday, 4th February, 2020 at about...

Sen. Wambua On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would hate to disrupt my brother, Sen. Madzayo. Your rules concerning sittings at this time clearly stipulate that we cannot approach the Speaker and that we limit movements and consultations within the Chamber. Have you relaxed those rules?...

Not yet, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You are still giving directions.

I finished giving the direction. Sen. Madzayodid not want the relatives to see it. The police vehicle had to leave without the mother seeing the dead body of her own daughter.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on 9th February, about four days thereafter, the distinguished Senator for Mombasa County, Sen. Faki, who...

Sen. Madzayo

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Sen. Madzayo, you have taken too long.

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EFFECTS OF COVID-19 PANDEMIC ON MICRO AND SMALL ENTERPRISES OPERATIONS OF THE NHIF

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 48 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health concerning the operations of the NHIF. In the Statement, the Committee should: The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Since Sen. Mwangi is not in, that Statement is...

STATUS OF EDUCATION IN KENYA FOLLOWING THE OUTBREAK OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No. 48 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health on the challenges currently experienced in Isiolo County, relating to COVID-19 pandemic. In the Statement, the Committee should:

INCREASED CASES OF INSECURITY IN VIHIGA COUNTY

May 12, 2020 SENATE DEBATES 1

Sen. Murkomen Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I congratulate the petitioners for bringing this Petition to the Senate. This House has continued to receive important petitions on matters related to devolution. One of the subjects that has remained contentious is the manner in which human resources is run in...

Sen. Wambua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity to comment on the Petition from Machakos County. I have a few things to say about this Petition in relation to human resource management in many counties. In support of this Petition, I urge the Committee to which you...

What is it, Sen. Poghisio?

All right. Did you bring it---

What is it, Sen. Poghisio?

All right. Did you bring it---

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, our Standing Orders are very clear, and it done not actually mention female or male. We are all equal in this House. Therefore, the title that should be used should be “Senator so and so” and not “female Senators.” We do not have such titles in...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, our Standing Orders are very clear, and it done not actually mention female or male. We are all equal in this House. Therefore, the title that should be used should be “Senator so and so” and not “female Senators.” We do not have such titles in...

Sen. Wetangula Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this special dispensation from you for me to make a comment on this CPAIC Report. Bungoma is one of the counties audited and reported in this Report under debate. The regrettable thing is that even as the Committee under the distinguished...

Sen. Imancongratulatory statement to the Floor of the House. Sen. (Prof.) Kamar is a strong woman who is teaching younger women on how to multitask. She is my mentor, and I aspire to follow in her footsteps.Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)Order! Is today International

Sen. Kibiruone is own-source revenue. These are some of the key things that we need to put as motivators for purposes of making counties work.Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, with those many remarks, as usual, I beg to second the Motion.

Sen. Cherargei I have a Statement to seek.

Sen. (Dr.) Aliis exactly what happened. They started threatening people based on census figures which are not right. Some of us are not happy with those reports. Therefore, we will go to court to complain about that.They came up with a prelisting or mapping before the census was conducted, which...

Sen. Cherargei I have a Statement to seek.

Sen. (Dr.) Aliis exactly what happened. They started threatening people based on census figures which are not right. Some of us are not happy with those reports. Therefore, we will go to court to complain about that.They came up with a prelisting or mapping before the census was conducted, which...