Boss Gladys Jepkosgei

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Sen. Farhiya, proceed.

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Sen. Dullo Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today, Wednesday, 10th December, 2021-

Hon. Julius Rutto (Kesses, UDA) I beg to second. Thank you, Hon. Speaker. (Hon. Umul Kheir Kassim and Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah stood in their places)

ADOPTION OF ADDENDUM REPORT ON THE INQUIRY INTO REDUCTION OF ELECTRICITY COSTS IN THE COUNTRY

Hon. Speaker Hon. Gikaria, Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives. Sorry, he is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Energy.

Committee on Energy on the Inquiry into the matter of the reduction of electricity

Hon. Gitonga Mukunji (Manyatta, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also rise to support the Motion on the Report. We know very well that when this regime got into Government, one of the promises it made was to make electricity cheaper, affordable and accessible. Comparing Kenya to our neighbours,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Omboko Milemba) Very well. There is a lot of interest on this. Let us go to the Woman Representative for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Omboko Milemba)Are you Hon. Kaguchia? Allow Hon. Kaguchia to speak. What is your point of order, Hon. Wandeto?

February 10, 2021 SENATE DEBATES 9 Sen. NyamungaSenators, I want to urge you that even as we start this year, please, let us think and know that we are representing Kenya and 47 million Kenyans. Wherever they are watching us all the time, let us show that we are people...

Sen. Were Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. (Loud consultations) The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Order! Order! Consult in low tones. I hope you are not talking about the caucus. Sen. Were Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join my colleagues in congratulating Sen. Wamatangi on his appointment as the Senate Majority Whip. I...

Sen. Werejust ‘either, or’, but that you must have 5 per cent and 20 MPs and 40 MCAs. Therefore, it became difficult for other political parties to get funding and true owners of the party to go to members.Very soon, we will be changing the electoral laws----(Loud consultations)

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Okay, very good. Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in view of the urgency of this matter and the gravity of it, can the Chairperson of the Ad-hoc Committee on COVID-19 Situation in Kenya, Sen. Sakaja, sit in the Committee on Health...

Sen. Omanga is to seek a Statement regarding security of students at the University of Nairobi. Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.: What is it, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Yes, in the Bible.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Sakaja

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Order, Senator! You know the temptation to blow your own trumpet is great.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.and give him a specific report. In fact, he was supposed to table a specific report on the Floor.

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. and give him a specific report. In fact, he was supposed to table a specific report on the Floor.

Very well. Sen. Omanga, you are not ready, so I defer. Sen. Omanga

SECURITY OF STUDENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI

WASTE MANAGEMENT IN BOMET COUNTY

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.48 (1) to seek a Statement from the Committee on Education, regarding the irregular recruitment by the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) . In the Statement, the Committee should - The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Mr. Deputy Speaker,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I can move.

Order, Sen. Kang’ata! Proceed. Maybe it is a temporary move. Sen. Kang’ata

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Sen. (Eng.) Mahamud

Sen. Sakaja

The suggestion by Sen. Were is that her Statement was on other serious diseases that are facing neglect because of the focus on COVID-19, malaria, which is killing as many people if not more, being one of them. In fact, the Statement is referred to your Committee, but we said...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Cheruiyot

REACTIONS TO COMMUNICATION ON CHANGES IN MAJORITY LEADERSHIP POSITIONS Sen. Cheruiyot Which matter?

What is it, Sen. Sakaja.

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Okay, very good. Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in view of the urgency of this matter and the gravity of it, can the Chairperson of the Ad-hoc Committee on COVID-19 Situation in Kenya, Sen. Sakaja, sit in the Committee on Health...

Sen. Omanga is to seek a Statement regarding security of students at the University of Nairobi. Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.: What is it, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Yes, in the Bible.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Sakaja

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Order, Senator! You know the temptation to blow your own trumpet is great.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.and give him a specific report. In fact, he was supposed to table a specific report on the Floor.

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. and give him a specific report. In fact, he was supposed to table a specific report on the Floor.

Very well. Sen. Omanga, you are not ready, so I defer. Sen. Omanga

SECURITY OF STUDENTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NAIROBI

WASTE MANAGEMENT IN BOMET COUNTY

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.48 (1) to seek a Statement from the Committee on Education, regarding the irregular recruitment by the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) . In the Statement, the Committee should - The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Mr. Deputy Speaker,...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I can move.

Order, Sen. Kang’ata! Proceed. Maybe it is a temporary move. Sen. Kang’ata

Order! May 12, 2020 SENATE DEBATES 12

Sen. (Eng.) Mahamud

Sen. Sakaja

The suggestion by Sen. Were is that her Statement was on other serious diseases that are facing neglect because of the focus on COVID-19, malaria, which is killing as many people if not more, being one of them. In fact, the Statement is referred to your Committee, but we said...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Cheruiyot

REACTIONS TO COMMUNICATION ON CHANGES IN MAJORITY LEADERSHIP POSITIONS Sen. Cheruiyot Which matter?

What is it, Sen. Sakaja.

Sen. Cheruiyotthe Senate, there might be infringement of small parties that have 15, 20 or 30 membership. How will we determine leadership positions or Committee chairmanship?In the two Houses of Parliament that have existed post the current Constitution, it has been simple because we have always had a contest between...

Sen. Poghisioeach other. Mostly, let us try to respect our Chair, the Speaker, and each other during debate. I think we can show that this Senate is the Upper House in this country.Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. God bless.

Hon. Geoffrey Mulanya (Nambale, Independent) With those few remarks, I beg to second the Report. (Question proposed)

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Omboko Milemba) No, please, do not take it in bad faith. Just take your seat. This is procedural; it is simply a point of order. I will even add some minutes to you; you are contributing very well. Hon. Naomi Waqo (Marsabit County, UDA) Is it...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Omboko Milemba) No, Hon. Kaguchia, the question is: Can you substantiate that the Executive sent the goons?

Sen. Cheruiyotthe Senate, there might be infringement of small parties that have 15, 20 or 30 membership. How will we determine leadership positions or Committee chairmanship?In the two Houses of Parliament that have existed post the current Constitution, it has been simple because we have always had a contest between...

Sen. Poghisioeach other. Mostly, let us try to respect our Chair, the Speaker, and each other during debate. I think we can show that this Senate is the Upper House in this country.Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. God bless.

Hon. Kaguchia John (Mukurweini, UDA) We have deals…

Hon. Kaguchia John (Mukurweini, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I dare say that this Report, if followed, will be like lighting a matchstick in a gas station. We have many ways to lower the cost of power in this country. Let us not talk about IPPs anymore because they have held...

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Hon. Caroli Omondi (Suba South, ODM) Thank you Hon. Speaker. My apologies. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the First Report of the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee on the status of implementation of the Constitution by the following Independent Commissions, laid on...

Hon. Geoffrey Mulanya (Nambale, Independent) With those few remarks, I beg to second the Report. (Question proposed)

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Omboko Milemba) No, please, do not take it in bad faith. Just take your seat. This is procedural; it is simply a point of order. I will even add some minutes to you; you are contributing very well. Hon. Naomi Waqo (Marsabit County, UDA) Is it...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Omboko Milemba) No, Hon. Kaguchia, the question is: Can you substantiate that the Executive sent the goons?

REPORT ON PETITION: SETTLEMENT OF AWARDS TO EX-KENYA AIR FORCE OFFICERS AND SERVICEMEN

REPORT ON PETITION: DELAYED COMPENSATION BY NLC TO LAND OWNERS AFFECTED BY ELDORET TOWN BYPASS PROJECT

tomorrow. I direct the Senate Majority and Minority Whips to ensure that we have numbers to carry out those Divisions because they are many. Therefore, accordingly, I defer Order Nos.9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14. ADOPTION OF CPAIC REPORT ON INQUIRY INTO FINANCIAL OPERATIONS OF VARIOUS COUNTY EXECUTIVES FOR...

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THE ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTION BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.19 OF 2019)

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Sen. (Dr.) Mwaura I can do it right now, Sir.

Can you do it now in 10 minutes? (Sen. Mwaura spoke off record) Then let us have Order No.8 called out.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Murkomen Is there?

The Speaker will tell us.

Sen. Wetangula

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only way that the President will ask, “Did the Speaker of the Senate concur to this in accordance with the Constitution?” That way, it also activates a more positive thinking in the other House, that the President is unlikely to assent to the Bills that are passing, even if they...

Sen. Wetangula Okay. We will be on this forever. Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka, I have not heard from you. Would you want to add your voice to this?

Sen. Wetangula What is unusual about that? (Laughter)

Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

He has come from where he went to do his Master and PhD. Karibu!

Asante.

Thank you. I hope that your number is not 4CC/64. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, to cut the story short on the submission, is there not a way where a private citizen can proceed to court and seriously seek requisite orders

Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this discussion has gone into many issues. I asked for a very simple direction from the Speaker. Standing 156 talks of what happens when we finish with a Bill. Standing Order 157 talks of what happens when a Bill comes from the National...

Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka I am sorry; may I have that again?

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.

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Sen. Cherargei You have really changed in the last six hours. (Laughter)What is it Sen. Orengo?

(Laughter)

(Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) That is just the language. It is long since I heard Sen. Cherargei speak in that tone. Otherwise, he is the same, and he remains the same. On the substantive issue, I will now have the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Minority Leader...

Sen. Orengo) : Permission has been granted by Sen. Orengo.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Sen. Orengo, would you like to be informed by Sen. Wetangula? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) :

Sen. Wetangula

Sen. Orengo) : I will start with the direction. After that, I will give one or two comments before we proceed. The direction is as follows: That the Mover concludes the Moving of this Bill and then we proceed with the Bill, as far as we can, but no Division...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

What Sen. Wetangula is saying is that it should not be an isolated event. The time is now and we will support his position because it is the position of the House. With the concurrence of the Speaker, I think we can take this war where it belongs. December 3,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Mr. Speaker, Sir, although that time is little, I want to try my best. Most of the remaining amendments are basically to remove the words like “health”, “hospital” and National Health Insurance and all these other amendments. Section 25 provides that: “it is an...

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Sen. Murkomen Sen. Kihika Waikura Susan. It is a very difficult name. December 3, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 46

Let us cause a discovery.

Majority Leader, you have 34 minutes left.

Injury benefits Act and so forth. The rest of the amendments are just to ensure that they are in line with the Act. As I said, this is very boring because we are jumping from one Act to another; it is confusing sometimes.We are now moving to the Urban Areas...

consonance with the Companies Act. This is because if you talk about 70 per cent, the Companies Act says over 50 per cent. Therefore, the Committee must relook that.National Treasury have a role to develop, promote, support training capacity and procurement related issues. The Authority’s functions have also been enhanced...

Sen. Kihika

on morality; whether it is just really being punitive so as to stop many people from participating in betting, lotteries and gaming.It is either you give the licenses and let the people carry this on or you do it in a reasonable manner. That is why I believe in some...

December 3, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 53 Sen. Kihika

Sen. Kihika forthcoming. I hope that the Committee will call those who are concerned with betting and gaming to explain what informed that decision. We cannot on one hand say that betting, lotteries and gaming are reprehensible activities while at the same time allow them in a way that only...

The Temporary Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kamar)

STATEMENTS

Sen. (Dr.) Ali Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I wish to support the Statement by the Senator for Nyandarua. Some of us do not have dairy farms, but the little milk which we get from the nomadic communities is not taken care of. Hopefully, when the Committee looks into these...

Sen. WetangulaInstead, farmers in Trans Nzoia, Nyandarua, Nakuru, Uasin Gishu and Bungoma counties have nowhere to take their milk.Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Chairperson must bring a comprehensive Statement from the Ministry on one, the fate of the Kenya Cooperative Creameries (KCC). Two, how the Ministry is handling the monopoly that...

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Sen. (Dr.) Milgo, proceed.

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Kamar.

Sen. (Prof.) Kamarmaize and make silage. If you went to Uasin Gishu now, almost 50 per cent of the farms were converted from grain to silage production. It is no wonder that we are not hearing as much noise about maize; it is because most of it was converted to...

Sen. Cherargei Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I congratulate, Sen. Githiomi, the Senator for Nyandarua County. This Statement is timely. Despite the heavy rainfall and high milk production in the country, the prices have dropped. However, the price of processed and packaged milk remains high....

Sen. NdwigaAs a Committee, we have tried to question the Ministry on why some of these things are happening and why milk prices are low for the first time in the Republic. I may not have a lot of time, but I want to take this House down memory lane....

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Sen. Cherargei, what is your point of intervention? Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have always stated that Statements should be attended to urgently. The Chairperson of the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries is giving preliminary observations. This matter is of great concern because the...

Sen. Ndwiga Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a matter of national importance. The Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries will still give a formal report. I am just giving preliminary information which I think can benefit the House. Issues of dairy farming, especially the pricing of milk should not bother...

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Proceed Sen. (Dr.) Langat.

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) I will add you a few minutes. Sen. (Dr.) Langat Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir for adding me a few more minutes. There are many countries that are doing a lot of infrastructural work in our country. I expected the national Government to negotiate with them...

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Order Senators! Please consult in low tones.

Sen. Kinyua There is no product that we grow in this country that we can say with confidence that has a good price; starting from maize, tomatoes, coffee, tea, sugarcane, miraa and potatoes. I take this opportunity to urge Members of the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries--- I have...

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 12 (Laughter)

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) But you know how to seek for permission to speak. Order, Sen. Wario, there is a point of order. Sen. Seneta Mr. Speaker, Sir, having heard the many concerns that have been raised concerning this issue of milk, I do not want to preempt the debate...

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) That is reasonable enough. Sen. Wario, kindly proceed.

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Thank you. Sen. Farhiya, kindly proceed. November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 13

Sen. Kinyua Asante sana Bw. Spika. Nasimama kuunga mkono Tarifa hii. Hii imekuwa kama swala sugu kwa watu wa Tana River. Kila wakati, haya mabawa yanapovuja, yanaenda yanabeba hawa ndugu zetu wa Tana River. Tungependa kujua kwa nini Serikali haiwezi ikachukua hatua mwafaka na hatua ya kudumu ndiposa ndugu zetu...

Sen. Halake Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Statement by Sen. Wario. Counties in Northern Kenya are all submerged. We have wards and entire sub- counties under water in Isiolo County. We went to the Cabinet Secretary to explain to him and show him photos. The...

Sen. WamatangiIt is true, as said by the Senator, that this problem is more pronounced in counties like Tana River and those that have a flat terrain. When the rains fall in the upper areas, the water flows in those areas and it becomes a bigger menace, especially the water...

Sen. (Dr.) Ali Thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir. I wish to support this Statement by the Senator of Tana River. Every other day, we talk of disasters in this country, and we have had several Statements on this issue. Even if this is specific to the Ministry of Energy –...

Sen. (Dr.) AliWhen somebody wakes up in the middle of the night only to find that they whole house is flooded, this is a very serious issue. I urge the Committee to look into this issue very seriously and make sure that it does not recur. I know that they...

BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 3 RD DECEMBER, 2019

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 18 Sen. DulloI thank you and hereby lay the Statement on the Table of the Senate.

NOTING OF REPORTS ON THE 6TH ORDINARY SESSION OF THE 4TH PAP AND 1ST AND 2 ND ORDINARY SESSIONS OF THE 5 TH PAP Sen. (Dr.) Ali Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following Motion- THAT, this House notes the Reports of the Sixth Ordinary Session of the...

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 22 The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka)Vice Presidents will come from the other four regions. The third is the Secretariat, which provides technical support, as usual, and it consists of a clerk, deputy clerks and directors.Madam Temporary Speaker, the Committees of the Pan-African Parliament are as follows-

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 23 Sen. FarhiyaMadam Temporary Speaker, as I went through the report, I read in one of the pages that Anne, who is a representative of World Bank (WB), was saying that Members get investments of up to US$17 billion from the WB. If African countries...

The Temporary Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kamar) I will give you the last 30 seconds.

Sen. Cheruiyot Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Report. This is one of the reports that has, unfortunately, stayed for quite a while listed on our Order Paper. I have taken time to interact with Members of this House who are Members of PAP. My good...

Sen. Dr. Ali or Sen. Mwaura to launch a campaign and try to speak to their governments and encourage them to be bound by this. It would be a matter of presenting the issue before the Attorney-General of the Republic of Kenya and sayingMadam Temporary Speaker, the beneficiaries of the...

Sen. Dr. Ali or Sen. Mwaura to launch a campaign and try to speak to their governments and encourage them to be bound by this. It would be a matter of presenting the issue before the Attorney-General of the Republic of Kenya and sayingIt is not fair when you read...

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 38 Sen. Poghisiovery difficult even to land there. The weather is a bit okay now, but I am just asking this House that if there is any way we can respond, as House, we should respond, because the matter is grave.I would like to appreciate...

Sen. DulloMinistry of Lands and Physical Planning, opening up land in Isiolo County for adjudication.In the Statement the Committee should- Sen. Halake Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Statement by Sen. Dullo, and congratulate her for bringing it to the attention of this House and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Thank you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)Proceed, Sen. Wambua of Kitui County. Sen. Dullo, approach the Chair.

Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, I thank you for the opportunity. Pursuant to Standing Order No.48, I rise to seek a Statement from the Chairperson of the Committee on National Security, Defense and Foreign Relations concerning the increased incidences of burglaries and general insecurity in the country during the nationwide curfew....

No, this is a security issue. It cannot take more than two weeks. Where is the Chairperson for the Committee on National Defense, Security and Foreign Relations? Is the Vice-Chairperson here? Do we have any member of this Committee? What about the Senate Majority Leader or the Deputy Majority Leader?...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move and request Sen. Sakaja to second it. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Well done, Sen. Kasanga. You have come from far since the days of the shoes debacle. (Laughter) Sen. Sakaja Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I deliberately asked my...

Sen. Sakaja

Can you not get a better example Sen. Sakaja?

Even for other non-virus pandemics. Sen. Sakaja

Sen. Ochillo-Ayako Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Bill. Let me first congratulate the Committee, they have done a good job. They are ably chaired by my brother, Sen. Sakaja, and my sister, Sen. Kasanga. Thank you for the good work...

Sen. Ochillo-Ayako

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The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is a sagacious and well-thought out ruling. It is measured in every aspect of your findings and it is extremely deep. I have listened to my colleagues raise very valid points. It is said that to whom much is given, much more is...

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1:59:40, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I do not want to leave out the 40 seconds. I may shape it because I think that it is better because it will stay for longer. Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, allow me to respond to something that Sen. Orengo has said. Apart from being...

Sen. Cherargei

Sen. Cherargei Because you are on a point of order, you can own it severally.

Thank you, Sen. Cherargei for those beautiful remarks. What is your point of order, Sen. Olekina?

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)accessing their offices. When you look at the County Governments Act that you alluded to, the county headquarters are designated. Therefore, does it mean that when you now sit, for instance, in Kiambu and you then decide to sit in Ruiru, are you not going...

Proceed, Sen. Olekina.

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Thank you, Sen. Olekina. There are a number of things; first of all, Section 6 (A) of the County Governments Act, one of the amendments – I think this year or last year – you will remember that when we passed the law on where the headquarters of each county...

Sen. Olekina It is okay, Sen. (Eng.) Maina. Those are important views. They are alternative views and you know nobody has finality in terms of wisdom and knowledge. Wisdom and knowledge is infinite. You have raised two issues. The first one about authority is partly true, but also given the...

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Sen. (Eng.) Maina Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to make my contribution, not to support, but oppose the National Assembly Bill, the Statues Law Miscellaneous (Amendment) Bill. Last year, there was an omnibus amendment Bill from the National Assembly that introduced Section 9 (a) on the Registration of Persons...

December 4, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 47

THE STATUTE LAW (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) (NO. 2) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 13 OF 2018)

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farmers selling milk, but it is wrong when people decide to adulterate to preserve the milk for a longer period. When we have an Act of Parliament, there is nothing that protects the consumers.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I oppose this punitive law in this Bill and I hope that we...

Very well, I see no other request. Mover, please reply. Sen. Kihika Very well.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Thank you. You can have your seat. Sen. Kihika, I just want to offer some guidance. When you are called upon to reply, you start by saying; “Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to reply.” Then you talk and when you finish, you say:...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Very well. Sen. Kihikayou with. It may be a name or character out of their making, but that is the name that is in their mind.As Senators and lawyers in this House may know, when you want to use that name, it is an...

Sen. (Eng.) Maina

Sen. (Eng.) Maina

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Olekina Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I congratulate the Chairperson of the Committee on Energy who is the Senator for Nyeri. This Bill is a clear indication of innovative thinking. I am lucky because my legal name is also my nickname and it worked to my advantage. Nicknames...

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Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I congratulate the Chairperson of the Committee on Energy who is the Senator for Nyeri. This Bill is a clear indication of innovative thinking. I am lucky because my legal name is also my nickname and it worked to my advantage. Nicknames are unique...

Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have listened to the few ideas posed here and there. On the issue of putting names in brackets, I leave that to the drafting and the Commission to see how best that should be done. On the choice of name, if...

(Laughter)

(Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

ADJOURNMENT

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Sen. (Eng.) Mahamud, proceed. Any other Senator before I close the Petition?

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Sen. Cheruiyot Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. The progress of any society or institution hinges strongly on the kind of human resource that the particular institution or body can attract. The fact that as the Senate, almost seven or eight years into devolution, we have not resolved the long...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I could see as if you are squinting.

The things you are saying are right, but they cannot be said from where you are sitting.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would like to add my voice to support the Petition by the citizens of Machakos that they should be treated right and with respect. Those of us who are grey in the head remember a time when this country employed people based on...

Sen. Sakaja

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as I conclude, I want to thank Sen. Wambua because it is painful. Money has been deducted over years from peoples’ salaries and it is not remitted. Some of the proposals we are bringing as the Committee on Labour and Social Welfare--- I am glad that...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I will add two things on this one. First, I support the Petition fully because it is very important. I informed Sen. Wambua that matters of Early Childhood Development Education (ECDE) have been of great challenge for a long time in counties. The Senate...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

CONSULTATION ON THE THIRD BASIS FOR REVENUE SHARING AMONG COUNTY GOVERNMENTS The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Hon. Members, first, we have the Chairperson of the Ad Hoc Committee on COVID-19 Situation in Kenya. Proceed, Sen. Sakaja.

Sen. SakajaI beg to lay on the Table of the House today, Tuesday 12th May, 2020, the Fifth Progress Report of the Ad Hoc Committee on Committee on COVID-19 Situation in Kenya.Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Order, Sen. Mwangi and Sen. Sakaja! None of you has laid any document. You have just told us what you are doing, but have not done it practically.

Sen. Mwangi Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we consulted the Clerk and he told me that they had the Paper.

Sen. Mwangi Next Order.

NOTICE OF MOTION

May 12, 2020 SENATE DEBATES 9 The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Hon. Senators, we have three Statements pursuant to Standing Order No. 47 (1) and six Statements under Standing Order No. 48 (1) . Those are nine Statements. We will move on chronologically at lightning speed. We will limit...

MISLEADING INFORMATION IN THE MEDIA CONCERNING CORONAVIRUS (COVID-19) PANDEMIC The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Bw. Naibu Spika, kulingana na sheria zetu za Bunge Kipengele 47 (1) ninasimama kuongea kuhusu jambo ambalo linahusika na kaunti, kuhusu kubakwa na kuuawa kinyama kwa msichana, ilhali alikuwa ni mototo mdogo sana wa miaka...

Bw. Naibu Spika, kulingana na sheria zetu za Bunge Kipengele 47 (1) ninasimama kuongea kuhusu jambo ambalo linahusika na kaunti, kuhusu kubakwa na kuuawa kinyama kwa msichana, ilhali alikuwa ni mototo mdogo sana wa miaka 16. Anaitwa Margaret Shukrani Masha.

Sen. Madzayo Bw. Naibu Spika, Taarifa ambayo iko hapa ni katika lugha ya Kiingereza ambayo niliandika, lakini nimeitafsiri kwa Kiswahili.

Sen. MadzayoMr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to make this Statement on behalf of the people of Kilifi County, who in their wisdom, entrusted me with this position, and I hold utmost respect for them. The admiration for this Senate is unmatched.On the evening of Tuesday, 4th February, 2020 at...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to make this Statement on behalf of the people of Kilifi County, who in their wisdom, entrusted me with this position, and I hold utmost respect for them. The admiration for this Senate is unmatched.On the evening of Tuesday, 4th February, 2020 at about...

Sen. Wambua On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would hate to disrupt my brother, Sen. Madzayo. Your rules concerning sittings at this time clearly stipulate that we cannot approach the Speaker and that we limit movements and consultations within the Chamber. Have you relaxed those rules?...

Not yet, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. You are still giving directions.

I finished giving the direction. Sen. Madzayodid not want the relatives to see it. The police vehicle had to leave without the mother seeing the dead body of her own daughter.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, on 9th February, about four days thereafter, the distinguished Senator for Mombasa County, Sen. Faki, who...

Sen. Madzayo

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Sen. Madzayo, you have taken too long.

May 12, 2020 SENATE DEBATES 12 Sen. Madzayo

EFFECTS OF COVID-19 PANDEMIC ON MICRO AND SMALL ENTERPRISES OPERATIONS OF THE NHIF

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 48 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health concerning the operations of the NHIF. In the Statement, the Committee should: The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Since Sen. Mwangi is not in, that Statement is...

STATUS OF EDUCATION IN KENYA FOLLOWING THE OUTBREAK OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No. 48 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health on the challenges currently experienced in Isiolo County, relating to COVID-19 pandemic. In the Statement, the Committee should:

INCREASED CASES OF INSECURITY IN VIHIGA COUNTY

REPORT ON PETITION: SETTLEMENT OF AWARDS TO EX-KENYA AIR FORCE OFFICERS AND SERVICEMEN

REPORT ON PETITION: DELAYED COMPENSATION BY NLC TO LAND OWNERS AFFECTED BY ELDORET TOWN BYPASS PROJECT

tomorrow. I direct the Senate Majority and Minority Whips to ensure that we have numbers to carry out those Divisions because they are many. Therefore, accordingly, I defer Order Nos.9, 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14. ADOPTION OF CPAIC REPORT ON INQUIRY INTO FINANCIAL OPERATIONS OF VARIOUS COUNTY EXECUTIVES FOR...

December 3, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 24

THE ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTION BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.19 OF 2019)

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Sen. (Dr.) Mwaura I can do it right now, Sir.

Can you do it now in 10 minutes? (Sen. Mwaura spoke off record) Then let us have Order No.8 called out.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Murkomen Is there?

The Speaker will tell us.

Sen. Wetangula

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only way that the President will ask, “Did the Speaker of the Senate concur to this in accordance with the Constitution?” That way, it also activates a more positive thinking in the other House, that the President is unlikely to assent to the Bills that are passing, even if they...

Sen. Wetangula Okay. We will be on this forever. Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka, I have not heard from you. Would you want to add your voice to this?

Sen. Wetangula What is unusual about that? (Laughter)

Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

He has come from where he went to do his Master and PhD. Karibu!

Asante.

Thank you. I hope that your number is not 4CC/64. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, to cut the story short on the submission, is there not a way where a private citizen can proceed to court and seriously seek requisite orders

Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this discussion has gone into many issues. I asked for a very simple direction from the Speaker. Standing 156 talks of what happens when we finish with a Bill. Standing Order 157 talks of what happens when a Bill comes from the National...

Sen. (Dr.) Kabaka I am sorry; may I have that again?

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.

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Sen. Cherargei You have really changed in the last six hours. (Laughter)What is it Sen. Orengo?

(Laughter)

(Laughter)

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) That is just the language. It is long since I heard Sen. Cherargei speak in that tone. Otherwise, he is the same, and he remains the same. On the substantive issue, I will now have the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Minority Leader...

Sen. Orengo) : Permission has been granted by Sen. Orengo.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Sen. Orengo, would you like to be informed by Sen. Wetangula? The Senate Minority Leader ( Sen. Orengo) :

Sen. Wetangula

Sen. Orengo) : I will start with the direction. After that, I will give one or two comments before we proceed. The direction is as follows: That the Mover concludes the Moving of this Bill and then we proceed with the Bill, as far as we can, but no Division...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)

What Sen. Wetangula is saying is that it should not be an isolated event. The time is now and we will support his position because it is the position of the House. With the concurrence of the Speaker, I think we can take this war where it belongs. December 3,...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Mr. Speaker, Sir, although that time is little, I want to try my best. Most of the remaining amendments are basically to remove the words like “health”, “hospital” and National Health Insurance and all these other amendments. Section 25 provides that: “it is an...

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Sen. Murkomen Sen. Kihika Waikura Susan. It is a very difficult name. December 3, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 46

Let us cause a discovery.

Majority Leader, you have 34 minutes left.

Injury benefits Act and so forth. The rest of the amendments are just to ensure that they are in line with the Act. As I said, this is very boring because we are jumping from one Act to another; it is confusing sometimes.We are now moving to the Urban Areas...

consonance with the Companies Act. This is because if you talk about 70 per cent, the Companies Act says over 50 per cent. Therefore, the Committee must relook that.National Treasury have a role to develop, promote, support training capacity and procurement related issues. The Authority’s functions have also been enhanced...

Sen. Kihika

on morality; whether it is just really being punitive so as to stop many people from participating in betting, lotteries and gaming.It is either you give the licenses and let the people carry this on or you do it in a reasonable manner. That is why I believe in some...

December 3, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 53 Sen. Kihika

Sen. Kihika forthcoming. I hope that the Committee will call those who are concerned with betting and gaming to explain what informed that decision. We cannot on one hand say that betting, lotteries and gaming are reprehensible activities while at the same time allow them in a way that only...

The Temporary Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kamar)

STATEMENTS

Sen. (Dr.) Ali Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I wish to support the Statement by the Senator for Nyandarua. Some of us do not have dairy farms, but the little milk which we get from the nomadic communities is not taken care of. Hopefully, when the Committee looks into these...

Sen. WetangulaInstead, farmers in Trans Nzoia, Nyandarua, Nakuru, Uasin Gishu and Bungoma counties have nowhere to take their milk.Mr. Speaker, Sir, the Chairperson must bring a comprehensive Statement from the Ministry on one, the fate of the Kenya Cooperative Creameries (KCC). Two, how the Ministry is handling the monopoly that...

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Sen. (Dr.) Milgo, proceed.

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Proceed, Sen. (Prof.) Kamar.

Sen. (Prof.) Kamarmaize and make silage. If you went to Uasin Gishu now, almost 50 per cent of the farms were converted from grain to silage production. It is no wonder that we are not hearing as much noise about maize; it is because most of it was converted to...

Sen. Cherargei Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. I congratulate, Sen. Githiomi, the Senator for Nyandarua County. This Statement is timely. Despite the heavy rainfall and high milk production in the country, the prices have dropped. However, the price of processed and packaged milk remains high....

Sen. NdwigaAs a Committee, we have tried to question the Ministry on why some of these things are happening and why milk prices are low for the first time in the Republic. I may not have a lot of time, but I want to take this House down memory lane....

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Sen. Cherargei, what is your point of intervention? Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, we have always stated that Statements should be attended to urgently. The Chairperson of the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries is giving preliminary observations. This matter is of great concern because the...

Sen. Ndwiga Mr. Speaker, Sir, this is a matter of national importance. The Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries will still give a formal report. I am just giving preliminary information which I think can benefit the House. Issues of dairy farming, especially the pricing of milk should not bother...

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Proceed Sen. (Dr.) Langat.

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) I will add you a few minutes. Sen. (Dr.) Langat Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir for adding me a few more minutes. There are many countries that are doing a lot of infrastructural work in our country. I expected the national Government to negotiate with them...

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Order Senators! Please consult in low tones.

Sen. Kinyua There is no product that we grow in this country that we can say with confidence that has a good price; starting from maize, tomatoes, coffee, tea, sugarcane, miraa and potatoes. I take this opportunity to urge Members of the Committee on Agriculture, Livestock and Fisheries--- I have...

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 12 (Laughter)

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) But you know how to seek for permission to speak. Order, Sen. Wario, there is a point of order. Sen. Seneta Mr. Speaker, Sir, having heard the many concerns that have been raised concerning this issue of milk, I do not want to preempt the debate...

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) That is reasonable enough. Sen. Wario, kindly proceed.

The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Thank you. Sen. Farhiya, kindly proceed. November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 13

Sen. Kinyua Asante sana Bw. Spika. Nasimama kuunga mkono Tarifa hii. Hii imekuwa kama swala sugu kwa watu wa Tana River. Kila wakati, haya mabawa yanapovuja, yanaenda yanabeba hawa ndugu zetu wa Tana River. Tungependa kujua kwa nini Serikali haiwezi ikachukua hatua mwafaka na hatua ya kudumu ndiposa ndugu zetu...

Sen. Halake Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Statement by Sen. Wario. Counties in Northern Kenya are all submerged. We have wards and entire sub- counties under water in Isiolo County. We went to the Cabinet Secretary to explain to him and show him photos. The...

Sen. WamatangiIt is true, as said by the Senator, that this problem is more pronounced in counties like Tana River and those that have a flat terrain. When the rains fall in the upper areas, the water flows in those areas and it becomes a bigger menace, especially the water...

Sen. (Dr.) Ali Thank you, Mr. Speaker Sir. I wish to support this Statement by the Senator of Tana River. Every other day, we talk of disasters in this country, and we have had several Statements on this issue. Even if this is specific to the Ministry of Energy –...

Sen. (Dr.) AliWhen somebody wakes up in the middle of the night only to find that they whole house is flooded, this is a very serious issue. I urge the Committee to look into this issue very seriously and make sure that it does not recur. I know that they...

BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 3 RD DECEMBER, 2019

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 18 Sen. DulloI thank you and hereby lay the Statement on the Table of the Senate.

NOTING OF REPORTS ON THE 6TH ORDINARY SESSION OF THE 4TH PAP AND 1ST AND 2 ND ORDINARY SESSIONS OF THE 5 TH PAP Sen. (Dr.) Ali Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following Motion- THAT, this House notes the Reports of the Sixth Ordinary Session of the...

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 22 The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka)Vice Presidents will come from the other four regions. The third is the Secretariat, which provides technical support, as usual, and it consists of a clerk, deputy clerks and directors.Madam Temporary Speaker, the Committees of the Pan-African Parliament are as follows-

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 23 Sen. FarhiyaMadam Temporary Speaker, as I went through the report, I read in one of the pages that Anne, who is a representative of World Bank (WB), was saying that Members get investments of up to US$17 billion from the WB. If African countries...

The Temporary Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kamar) I will give you the last 30 seconds.

Sen. Cheruiyot Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Report. This is one of the reports that has, unfortunately, stayed for quite a while listed on our Order Paper. I have taken time to interact with Members of this House who are Members of PAP. My good...

Sen. Dr. Ali or Sen. Mwaura to launch a campaign and try to speak to their governments and encourage them to be bound by this. It would be a matter of presenting the issue before the Attorney-General of the Republic of Kenya and sayingMadam Temporary Speaker, the beneficiaries of the...

Sen. Dr. Ali or Sen. Mwaura to launch a campaign and try to speak to their governments and encourage them to be bound by this. It would be a matter of presenting the issue before the Attorney-General of the Republic of Kenya and sayingIt is not fair when you read...

November 28, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 38 Sen. Poghisiovery difficult even to land there. The weather is a bit okay now, but I am just asking this House that if there is any way we can respond, as House, we should respond, because the matter is grave.I would like to appreciate...

Sen. DulloMinistry of Lands and Physical Planning, opening up land in Isiolo County for adjudication.In the Statement the Committee should- Sen. Halake Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise to support this Statement by Sen. Dullo, and congratulate her for bringing it to the attention of this House and...

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) Thank you.

The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki)Proceed, Sen. Wambua of Kitui County. Sen. Dullo, approach the Chair.

May 12, 2020 SENATE DEBATES 1

Sen. Murkomen Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I congratulate the petitioners for bringing this Petition to the Senate. This House has continued to receive important petitions on matters related to devolution. One of the subjects that has remained contentious is the manner in which human resources is run in...

Sen. Wambua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity to comment on the Petition from Machakos County. I have a few things to say about this Petition in relation to human resource management in many counties. In support of this Petition, I urge the Committee to which you...