ICHUNG’WAH ANTONY KIMANI

I was explaining to Hon. Wamboka that the Bill initially had very broad definitions of the words “family” and “relative”. The President’s definitions have restricted the word “family” to mean your spouse, dependent child, a parent or spouse of a public officer. The word “relative” has been restricted to mean...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : Procedurally not… (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) Hon. Chairlady, I want Hon. Wamboka to understand that when you want to raise a point of order, we have very good gadgets here in which you put your card and put a request to...

Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the President’s Reservations to the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2023) up to Clause 35 and its approval thereof without amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to)

Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. I was laughing at Hon. Murugara because he has naturally dropped his amendment by the fact that he could not mobilise two-thirds. Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee reports its considerations of the President’s reservation to the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Dorothy to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. (Prof.) Phylis Bartoo to Second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) :...

I do not think there are Questions Hon. Temporary Speaker. Yes. After dropping some of the Questions, what we have are responses to statements. Leader of Majority Party you may proceed. Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. On behalf of the House Business Committee and pursuant to the provisions of Standing...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me also to welcome the students from Mara Christian School in Narok West, Ndururumo High School in Laikipia West and Mount Kenya Academy in Nyeri. I could not fail to notice that all the students look extremely smart. I welcome them to the National...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is out of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Temporary Speaker, nothing is out of order. I just want to seek your indulgence. For the convenience of the House, the Chairman of...

THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be further amended by inserting the following new definitions in proper alphabetical sequence— “family” means—

I was explaining to Hon. Wamboka that the Bill initially had very broad definitions of the words “family” and “relative”. The President’s definitions have restricted the word “family” to mean your spouse, dependent child, a parent or spouse of a public officer. The word “relative” has been restricted to mean...

Procedurally not… (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) Hon. Chairlady, I want Hon. Wamboka to understand that when you want to raise a point of order, we have very good gadgets here in which you put your card and put a request to the Speaker, and not shouting from...

THAT, Clause 5 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “a reporting authority and” appearing immediately before the words “the Ethics”. This relates to the administration of this Act. It is important for you, Hon. Wamboka, to listen because what I am saying is very important to you....

THAT, Clause 6 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new paragraph after paragraph (h) — “ (ha) institute proceedings for forfeiture of undeclared or unexplained assets;” 29th May 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13 This relates to the functions of the commissions. In this reference, it is the...

THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 8 and substituting therefor the following new clause—

THAT, Clause 12 of the Bill be amended by deleting subclause (3) . Clause 12 had a proviso under subclause (3) which was introduced in the mediated version which says,“Despite subsection (1) , no proceeding shall lie against a public officer who grants special consideration or treatment or advantage in...

THAT, Clause 16 of the Bill be amended by-

THAT, Clause 17 of the Bill be amended-

THAT, Clause 18 of the Bill be amended by-

THAT, Clause 20 of the Bill be amended by deleting subclause (1) and substituting therefor the following new subclause—

THAT, Clause 30 of the Bill be amended by deleting subclause (2) . In subclause (2) , the Bill provides that the section shall not apply to a Member of Parliament or of a county assembly. Now, the section will apply. I beg to move. (Question of the amendment proposed)...

Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the President’s Reservations to the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2023) up to Clause 35 and its approval thereof without amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to)

THAT, Clause 3 of the Bill be amended by deleting subclause (2) and substituting therefor the following new subclause—

Thank you, Hon. Chairlady. I was laughing at Hon. Murugara because he has naturally dropped his amendment by the fact that he could not mobilise two-thirds. Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee reports its considerations of the President’s reservation to the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Dorothy to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. (Prof.) Phylis Bartoo to Second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) :...

I do not think there are Questions Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. On behalf of the House Business Committee and pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me also to welcome the students from Mara Christian School in Narok West, Ndururumo High School in Laikipia West and Mount Kenya Academy in Nyeri. I could not fail to notice 29th May 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 24 that all the students look extremely...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Temporary Speaker, nothing is out of order. I just want to seek your indulgence. For the convenience of the House, the Chairman of the Committee, Hon. George Murugara, who is here, had requested that we adjourn debate on Order No.11 to...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. First, in one of these very rare occasions, allow me to begin by congratulating the Inspector-General of Police, the Director of Criminal Investigations and all the officers in our NPS for the good work they have exhibited, not just in this case but also in cracking...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me the liberty to welcome the school from Gatanga Constituency, on behalf of their Member of Parliament whom I heard has gone to Wamunyoro and is not available. Therefore, on his behalf and that of the House, I welcome them to the National Assembly....

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Firstly, allow me to congratulate the Chairperson and the Members of the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture for their diligent work. If the Members noticed, some of these accounts like those of NACADA run from the Financial Year 2017/2018 all the...

Very good. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. It is good that I elicited that information to know that I was not congratulating the Committee in vain. I would implore Hon. Wangwe to finalise the report and bring it to the House Business Committee. We shall prioritise it for consideration, so...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. First, in one of these very rare occasions, allow me to begin by congratulating the Inspector-General of Police, the Director of Criminal Investigations and all the officers in our NPS for the good work they have exhibited, not just in this case but also in cracking...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me the liberty to welcome the school from Gatanga Constituency, on behalf of their Member of Parliament whom I heard has gone to Wamunyoro and is not available. Therefore, on his behalf and that of the House, I welcome them to the National Assembly....

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Firstly, allow me to congratulate the Chairperson and the Members of the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture for their diligent work. If the Members noticed, some of these accounts like those of NACADA run from the Financial Year 2017/2018 all the...

I would allow the Chairman to inform me.

Very good. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. It is good that I elicited that information to know that I was not congratulating the Committee in vain. I would implore Hon. Wangwe to finalise the report and bring it to the House Business Committee. We shall prioritise it for consideration, so...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Before I move, allow me to take this opportunity to welcome Members back for this Session after the three weeks working recess. I also want to thank all Members, especially those who are members of departmental committees, for taking the time during the recess to consider...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I take this opportunity to, first, thank the Leader of the Minority Party for moving this Motion of Adjournment, which I fully support. In the run-up to the impeachment of the former Deputy President, I quoted a good friend of mine who described somebody as having...

Hon. Speaker, thank you for your guidance. Let me also thank the Leader for Minority Party for that point of order. This is not in any way to belittle the work of the Senate. As he said, the Supreme Court has already given us guidance on the mandate of each...

Hon. Speaker, first, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee, which met on Tuesday, 29th April 2025 to prioritise business for consideration during the week. As Members will note, tomorrow shall...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. He is a retired Major, which is why he is leaning, and not standing at attention.

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee reports to the House its consideration of the Social Protection Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2025) , and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) THE VALUE ADDED TAX (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Temporary Chairlady,...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Report of the Committee of the whole House on its consideration of the Social Protection Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2025) . I also request Hon. Hilary, the Vice-Chairperson of the Committee, to second the...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. You know, fear and I are never in the same sentence. I second this Motion by the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure to discharge the Public Transport (Motorcycle Regulation) Bill. I know Hon. Bonny Khalwale is a medical doctor, but when it comes to...

You know, he is dressed in pinstriped suit just like Kamwithi Munyi. Allow me to go to the Thursday Statement. Hon. Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee which met on...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Special Motion on the Approval of Nominees for Appointment as Ambassador, Permanent Representative and Consuls-General. As the Chairperson of the Committee has said, these nominees are seasoned civil servants. Some of them have served in very senior positions. Eng Tum...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, maybe the Leader of the Minority Party has not heard what the Member for Githunguri has said. I understand what he meant by his point, but the Member for Githunguri has asked: “Who even told you I am interested in running for Member of Parliament for Githunguri?”...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, mine is on misinformation. The Member of Githunguri knows that I was nowhere near the President last Saturday. I think she wanted to mean the Saturday when we were in Githunguri Constituency. You know I am a peace-loving Kenyan, and also a consumer of certain intelligence reports....

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Special Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Committee on Appointments in its Fifth Report on the vetting of the nominees for appointment as Cabinet Secretaries, laid on the Table of the House on Tuesday, 15th April 2025, and...

Please protect me from the noise behind me.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, unless you feel guilty, I have not named anyone. In support of Hon. Ruku, I said that he has been an avid debater in this House. That is a fact that speaks for itself. I am also referring to Members who are present in the House but...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I honestly did not understand what was out of order. That is a point for debate, and I merely asserted what transpired. I know the Deputy Speaker, who is a Member of the Committee on Appointments, was not present during the vetting process, therefore, she...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to agree with the Leader of Minority that this is a matter that has been dealt with in the past. Hon. Otiende Amollo knows that this matter has been dealt with in the past. In fact, Senior Counsel Otiende is the one who has been...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to take this opportunity to thank all the Members who have contributed the Motion. As I stated earlier, Ms Hanna Wendot tendered an apology on 14th of April, the same day of the vetting, on her X handle, @hannawcheptumo. She said, ‘First and...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. As you rightly said, this is a matter that we have discussed at the House Business Committee. As the Member for Bumula said last week in his Point of Order, NG-CDF is not money going to Members of Parliament. Members of Parliament are elected by their...

Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following papers on the Table:

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Special Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Committee on Appointments in its Fifth Report on the vetting of the nominees for appointment as Cabinet Secretaries laid on the table of the House on Tuesday, 15th April 2025,...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to move that the Excise Duty (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 7 of 2025) be now read a Third Time. I want to request Hon. Betty Maina Erick to Second.

I will speak to him. I know he had exams this week, but by next week, he should be able to come. Hon. Didmus is the Vice-Chairman of that Committee, so I will cause that.

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Speaker, I beg your indulgence in relation to the business listed as Order No. 17, the Value Added Tax (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 11 of 2025) , and request that I stand down this Bill for today. The Departmental Committee...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also rise to support the Motion for the approval of the two Principal Secretaries. They may be Cabinet Secretaries in the future. The Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning Chairman has elaborated on how well Mr Cyrell Wagunda Odede and Dr Boniface Makokha...

People have slept on the road between Kinale and Gilgil. Over Christmas, some of those going to the western parts of Kenya who could not afford to fly or use the train had to turn and come back to Nairobi because they could not make it, yet they had planned...

On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, while I agree with Hon. Shakeel, in legislation-making, we usually say, “Not more than a certain amount” in terms of fines and penalties. If we say, “Not...

I wanted to say that it is critical that we bring Public Benefit Organisations under the ambit of the Anti-Money Laundering and Terrorism Financing Laws Act. As Hon. Shakeel was contributing on the need to also bring estate agents under the ambit of this Act, the Public Benefit Organisations Act,...

Hon. Chair, I rise to support this amendment. The Committee has also proposed to align the term of the Director-General of the FRC with that of similar offices – like that of the Director of EACC. What happens in countries like ours is that if you are serving a two...

Chair, just for information and clarity, when he says, “shall commence upon publication in the Gazette,” it is common knowledge that it goes to the Gazette after assent. It is also common knowledge that when the President is assenting to Bills, the Attorney-General is usually there and gets a copy...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Anti-Money Laundering and Combating of Terrorism Financing Laws (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 5 of 2025) , and its approval thereof with amendments.(Question proposed)(Question put and agreed to)(The House resumed)...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also request Hon. Rindikiri, the Member for Buuri, to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House. 15th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

The Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson are not in the House, but I will advise them. Yes, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Ngogoyo is my very good friend. I am not only making peace but also convincing him to see the light. BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK OF 14TH – 18TH APRIL 2025 Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee that met on Tuesday, 8th April 2025,...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I take this opportunity to, first, thank all Members who have contributed to this Bill. The Whip of the Majority Party moved it on my behalf. It seeks to create equity and fairness in the banking and insurance sector and all other financial service sectors. The...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support the nomination of Dr Oluga Ouma Frederick as the Principal Secretary. I do not want to get into the debate of whether he is an expert from ODM or not. He is a very professional and competent young Kenyan. I have...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support the appointment of Ms Regina Akoth as a Principal Secretary in the State Department for Trade. As we consider her approval, and I hope the House will support it, I would like to tell her that she is coming into office...

Hon. Temporary Chairperson I beg to move that the Committee do report to the House its consideration of the Excise Duty (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.7 of 2025) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) The Temporary Chairperson (Hon. Peter Kaluma) : Hon....

Asante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Naomba kuwasilisha hoja kwamba Bunge likubaliane na Kamati kuhusu kuzingatia Mswada wa Marekebisho ya Ushuru wa Bidhaa, Mswada wa Bunge la Taifa Nambari. 7 wa Mwaka 2025. Ningependa kumwomba Mhe. Zamzam aunge mkono.

Hon. Kuria Kimani. Where we come from…

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move and request the Member for Molo to second. I was saying where we come from: Kuria Kimani refers to Kimani's son; Kimani Kuria refers to Kuria's son. The Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, Hon. Kuria Kimani, is the...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me first thank the Leader of the Minority Party for raising this issue. Indeed, I had a discussion with the Leader of the Minority Party over this issue on WhatsApp very late last night, at about 1.45 (Loud consultations) 9th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...