Joseph Kirui Limo

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House: Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on its consideration of the County Statistics Bill (Senate Bill No.9 of 2018) . Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table of the House: Report of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning on Consideration of the Public Finance Management (Amendment) Bill, 2017.

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Insurance (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.21 of 2018) be now read a Third Time. I request Hon. Kandie to second.

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. As I second this important Bill, I wish all the Members of this House a happy new year. I welcome you to the new year as we start our new session. I also wish to pass a word...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule to the Bill be amended in the proposed amendments to the Privatisation Act, 2005 by –

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) The justification is the same. The Bill is proposing to remove the requirement for the Cabinet Secretary to submit a report to the National Assembly. Now, we are deleting that amendment because we still insist that the privatisation must be submitted to the National...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Schedule to the Bill be amended in the proposed amendments to the Privatisation Act, 2005 by – WITNESS PROTECTION ACT, NO.16 OF 2006

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, the issue which has been raised is whether a Member can amend an amendment which has been moved by another Member. That is very important because if we do not clear that properly, it will set a precedent. So, the...

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Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Chairman, I beg to move; THAT, Clause 5 of the Bill be amended by inserting the word “county” immediately before the words “public officer.” This is meant to make clarifications that this particular Bill seeks to establish a scheme for county government public...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) This amendment is meant to give a list of the board of trustees, which is a representation of the Ministry of Devolution together with the Council of Governors and county assemblies. The justification for this is to have a more representative board of trustees...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) I am, but I do not get it. Should I now move the addition? You know I am not moving as per the Order Paper, but in an amended form.

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Also, we were looking at the representatives of county assembly service boards, because they were fewer than the Executive. At the same time, the way of appointing the representatives of county assembly service boards was not clear. Therefore, if you look at the further...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) We are, therefore, dropping the amendment to Clause 6 and replacing with the new amendment to Clause 6. Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Bill be amended in Clause 6 by—

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Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Sub clause 4 says that all contributions to the scheme by members and sponsors shall be reduced by the amounts of the contribution to the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) in respect to the members. This particular sub clause indicates that when you are...

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Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Just to clarify, Hon. Chairman, you know we were not actually comparing Kshs500,000 with three years, or Kshs5 million with two years. Rather, we were harmonising with Clause 48 where it is… In Clause 48, the offence is actually being fined Kshs5 million or...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Yes.

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Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) We are making a further amendment. Hon. Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Bill be amended in Clause 53 by inserting the following sub-section immediately after subsection (2) -

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Chairman, without anticipating debate, Hon. Nyikal is asking about the transition, which is a very elaborate process that touches on liabilities and assets. It will be covered later. There will be another clause which will deal with how the transition will happen. Therefore,...

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Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Yes, I confirm that the commencement date is on assent.

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Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Chairman, I beg to move; THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended by deleting the definition of “existing scheme” and substituting therefor the following new definition— “existing scheme” means the Local Authorities Provident Fund, the Local Authorities Pension Trust, the Local Authorities...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East) Hon. Chairman, the Leader of the Minority Party is right that it was closed but it is not dead; it is still operating and paying Members. It has management. So, what is happening now is that we are bringing all of them together so that...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) I second. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (Consideration of Report of Bill ordered for tomorrow) Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP)A certified version of this Report REPORT ON AUDITED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR CONSTITUENCIES IN NAIROBI COUNTY Where is the Chairperson

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to move: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning in their Report on the vetting of the nominees for Approval as Chairperson and Members of the Salaries and Remuneration Commission,...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Alright. We have heard you. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Thank you Hon. Speaker, for protecting me against the current situation. As I move, it is important for this House to realize that we are following the law which gives us the opportunity to vet. In vetting, it is either to approve or reject....

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Alright! I understand what you are saying but at the end of the day….

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Speaker, my brother Junet is a politician just like me. Therefore, I can read his mind about negotiations. But that is not the direction we Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP)are taking. That negotiation is not applicable here. You can leave it for...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. In her CV, she had indicated that she had an opportunity to work at the Red Cross in 2007. That is the time we can count.

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) I can actually confirm beyond doubt that the Report that did not pick that particular item from her CV. The Report only picks that while at the university, she was a student leader, but the CV specified that she worked at the Red Cross....

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Speaker, is the Member in order to mislead the House that the Committee did a shoddy job by having only nine members approve the Report while, in my knowledge, the report has been signed by 10 members which is above the 50 per...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. This is a very important business of the House and, therefore, without much ado, I second. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to)

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP)Hon. Speaker, I know that the mood of the House it that Hon. Members should be now going for recess and they are urging me to bow. However, I want to take this opportunity to thank this House for all the contributions which have been...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker. As I move to reply, I would like to donate two minutes to… The Temporary Deputy Speaker (Hon. (Ms.) Soipan Tuya) : Hon. Limo, I wish to appeal that you give a minute to the Member for Emuhaya...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) I know quite a number of Members would have liked to be given at least some donation of time, but I do not have more minutes. So, let me take this opportunity to thank the Members who have contributed to this particular Bill. I...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Speaker, thank you very much for giving me this chance to comment on this weighty issue. This particular notice is not new to me but it has not been brought to our Committee. We have never seen it. I am just aware just...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I stand guided. I just want to say that we have not seen it. This is just one of the issues that prohibit business in the country, like charges which are now being levied by banks without passing through this...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg to move: Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP)A certified version of this ReportTHAT, Clause 4 of the Bill be amended by deleting the proposed new section 3A and substituting therefor the following new section— Exemption. 3A. The provisions...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) I withdraw this amendment. After proposing this amendment, there were further consultations between the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning and the National Treasury. We proposed that this particular amendment in Clause 7 be withdrawn. There was a proposal to do away with...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Yes.

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Initially, the consultation was between the PPP Committee and the county governments. There was a proposal to do away with the PPP Committee. We had to bring an amendment to say that the Cabinet Secretary is the one who will consult county governments. Now...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, let me explain it so that Members can understand and are not get mixed up. In the Order Paper, most of these amendments were intended to delete from the parent Act the PPP Committee which was carrying our functions in...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, in the same spirit, I also drop the amendment to Clause 13 because we are retaining the PPP Committee. (Hon. Joseph Limo withdrew his proposed amendment) The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Patrick Mariru) : Leader of the Majority Party, you...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, in the same spirit, I am dropping amendment to Clause 14. This is because of the same PPP Committee.

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, to be fair to Hon. Osotsi, I will explain. In future, we will not allow Members to take us back. I had explained very well. One, in the initial proposal in the Order Paper, we were proposing to remove the...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) It is always good to listen. In the same spirit that Hon. Millie has expressed, there is a problem in the way our Bills are drafted. I can inform the House that the amendment which we intend to move in Clause 15 is totally...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I beg to move: Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP)A certified version of this ReportTHAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 16 and substituting therefor the following new clause— T The import of this is to ensure that the...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) You know we have just moved an amendment to Section… We have several others on the Order Paper. I only moved the issue of the Cabinet Secretary. Secondly, we have to move to provide for the membership of that committee under (b) because we...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) If you allow me on the new clauses, Clause 4A, B, C and D all refer to the same thing of the public private partnership (PPP) committee, which we have reinstated and I am dropping all of them because they will be irrelevant. (Loud...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Also, in the same spirit, I propose to drop New Clause 7A because it is talking about the CS and the PPP. (Hon. Joseph Limo withdrew his proposed amendment) (New Clause 7A dropped) New Clause 7B The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Patrick Mariru) :...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Not really. The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Patrick Mariru) : Hon. Chair, consulting is not a bad thing. Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) If you have realised, in most cases, I do not consult. I am only consulting my paper work. Hon. Temporary...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) In the Order Paper, it is New Clause 9C and now it is being renamed New Clause 9D. Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I am proposing to drop it because it is referring to the PPP. (Hon. Joseph Limo withdrew his proposed amendment) (New Clause...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) I am proposing to drop New Clause 15A because it is referring to the same issue of the committee. (Hon. Joseph Limo withdrew his proposed amendment)

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, that is why I have been asking for your protection. Members who are sitting around me have been singing the chorus that you withdraw the amendment, without giving me the opportunity to explain the import of these particular new clauses....

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I am withdrawing New Clause 15A because it deals with cancellation of contracts by the Public Private Partnerships (PPP) Committee. We will bring the committee back. So, there is no need of moving the amendment. So, I withdraw the clause....

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I propose New Clause 17 be read a second time. I beg to move: THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clauses immediately after Clause 16— Insertion of new section in to No. 15 of 2013.

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, the justification of this amendment is to provide for the need to carry out public participation and the Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP)A certified version of this Report Cabinet Secretary of the National Treasury to make regulations to guide...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Chairman, I confirm that New Clause 18 is referring to the committee. Therefore, I propose to withdraw it. (Hon. Joseph Limo withdrew his proposed amendment) (New Clause 18 dropped) New Clause 19 Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy...

Hon. Joseph Limo (Kipkelion East, JP) Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, I beg to second. (Question proposed) The Temporary Deputy Chairman (Hon. Patrick Mariru) : I will defer putting the Question on that particular matter. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE LAND VALUE INDEX LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL

Hon. Limo Hon. Speaker, I stand to second. As the Leader of the Majority Party has clearly and ably stated, this Bill is for the purpose of providing the necessary funding for the fresh presidential election. Therefore, any doubting Thomas who has been thinking that this country is gone to...

Hon. Limo On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Hon. Limo Hon. Speaker, is the hon. Member in order to mislead Kenyans that the work of Parliament can be done from outside this Chamber? Right now, we are discussing this very important matter of the Supplementary Budget, which cannot be done from outside of this House.