Osotsi Godfrey Atieno

Sen. Osotsi

Sen. Osotsi Proceed, Sen. Boni.

Proceed, Sen. Boni. June 10, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 8

Sen. Osotsi

Sen. Osotsi Order, Senators, can we listen, please. Sen. (Dr.) Murango, please, order! (Loud Consultations) June 5, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 47

Order, Senators, can we listen, please. Sen. (Dr.) Murango, please, order! Sen. Osotsi Madam Temporary Speaker, we needed to get somewhere in the middle. That is why, we came up with a figure of Kshs4.5 billion. So, the figure of Kshs4.5 billion is like a stabilisation factor between the formula...

Your time is up. I add you one minute to conclude. Sen. Osotsi Our biggest battle is the Kshs465 billion allocation, as there is no justification why counties should not be added money. Counties are now burdened with the Housing Levy, the enhanced National Social Security Fund (NSSF) contributions, the...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to contribute. When this Motion was first introduced, and the Chairperson of the Finance and Budget Committee intended to move it, I was among the many Senators who persuaded him not to proceed. Instead, we advocated for a Kamkunji or...

Order, Senators.

Unfortunately, these agreements that we made in the Kamukunji seem to have disappeared or dissipated somewhere along the way. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Omogeni and your team, you are actually too loud.

Madam Temporary Speaker, we agreed as a principle that we are going to make sure that no county loses any money. In that Kamukunji, we also agreed that, okay, there are 11 counties which were read out to us and let us add Kshs2 billion, so that we can support...

According to our custom you do not argue with your younger brother. If you are fighting over land and you are older, it is better for you to leave that piece of land and go and find another piece of land; buy it, but you do not fight with your...

can we not develop another micro formula that justifies another county getting Kshs200 million and another one getting Kshs100 million. People are going to shift positions. We had agreed that we were not going to disturb the formula, but now the issue of financial responsibility is coming. People are now...

Sen. Mungatana, if you have not finished, you will have a balance of eight minutes to conclude. ADJOURNMENT June 5, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 53

Sen. Osotsi Thank you Mr. Speaker, Sir. Let me start by congratulating the CS for the good work he is doing at the National Treasury and Economic Planning. Indeed, you are the expert that we have been talking about. I have two quick questions. One is that the CS has...

Sen. Osotsi What are these constraints that the Ministry is facing, particularly in disbursing the money under additional allocation that we passed in the Disbursement Schedule last week? Secondly---

Sen. Osotsi Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I would like to comment on the statement by Sen. Eddy Oketch regarding insurance coverage for hospital assets. This statement emanates from audit queries before the County Public Investments and Special Funds Committee (CPISFC) regarding the issue of plant, property and equipment...

Sen. Osotsi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have a very important matter to raise. Standing Order No.38 allows us to temporarily suspend a sitting. The practice has been that when we have a matter of serious importance like the one we are about to discuss, so that we can give us...

Sen. Osotsi Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have just pressed my button now, but I have no problem being the first one. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this exercise that we are doing is only done once in five years. That means this formula will be with us for five years...

Sen. Osotsi Mr. Speaker, Sir, yes, he is the Chairperson of the Committee. He can give me information, but I also have very crucial information. (Laughter)

Sen. Osotsi Mr. Speaker, Sir, the numbers are based on Kshs405 billion. Remember, I started by saying the Committee should have done us a favour by also publishing the simulation based on the CRA formula, which they did not do. We have gone ahead to get the simulation ourselves. Let...

Sen. Osotsi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am very thorough in what I do. I have done my research very well.

Sen. Osotsi: As you demonstrate, pick one big county or three that have also lost, because a number of counties--- Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am just demonstrating the points here.

As you demonstrate, pick one big county or three that have also lost, because a number of counties--- Sen. Osotsi I am demonstrating the point here using the counties that I have listed, but I have done the simulation for all the 47 counties---

Under the CRA formula, are the 11 counties the only ones losing? Sen. Osotsi There are counties which are losing under CRA. I am trying to say is that even as we go for another formula, let us not have a huge loss from the CRA formula compared to the...

Proceed. Sen. OsotsiMr. Speaker, Sir, I am saying that because the formula that the Committee is proposing to us has two components. It is taking Kshs387 billion, which was based on the Third Basis as a base, and then sharing the remaining Kshs12 billion and applying a basic share in...

Sen. Mo Fire, take your seat. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM KIGUMO BENDERA HIGH SCHOOL, MURANG’A COUNTY

Sen. Osotsi

Sen. Osotsi

Sen. OsotsiMadam Temporary Speaker, when you talk about the Employment Act, the amendment to this is basically trying to define the keywords like who is an employee, who is an employer and other terms like business process outsourcing. It also sets out the obligation of business process outsourcing companies. These...

Hon. Senators, there is no other speaker. I would like to thank Sen. Osotsi for your contribution to this Bill. This debate can continue tomorrow. ADJOURNMENT June 3, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 54

Sen. OsotsiAs we support the passage of this Schedule, we are concerned that the National Treasury has continuously failed to honour the Schedule that this House has developed, putting service delivery in counties into jeopardy. By failing to follow the Disbursement Schedule, the National Treasury is continuously accumulating pending bills...

Sen. Osotsi

Sen. Osotsi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I was listening to my senior and neighbour, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, very keenly. This weekend, I had an opportunity to visit the place where the refinery is being constructed. It is a big complex. At that place, all the gold in this country, including...

Sen. Osotsi Sen. Cherarkey, you have raised your point of order. Yes, Sen. Boni Khalwale.

Sen. Osotsi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise under Standing Order No.105. The Chairperson has indicated that the counties do not get money because the minerals that are mined in those counties are mined in informal arrangements. I would like to say that in my county, the Cabinet Secretary for...

Yes, you can give your point of order if you are given. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, mineral royalties are shared only on the basis of royalties collected by the Government. It is not on the basis of minerals that you know, the mining is taking place in your county. That...

Sen. Osotsi, what is your point of order? Take your seat, Sen. Roba. Sen. Osotsi Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise under Standing Order No.105. The Chairperson has indicated that the counties do not get money because the minerals that are mined in those counties are mined in informal arrangements....

I am sure the Chairperson did not specifically make reference to those particular ones, unless I did not listen to him. He made reference to general mining areas where royalties do not go through the proper channels that would entitle a payment of the royalties. However, Chairperson, kindly clarify that...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to inform my colleague that the money being shared in the name of royalty will only happen through royalties collected by the Government in the stipulated rates. If the Government has no collection of raw minerals, being the mining that is...

I know that because these are conditional grants, most of these grants are covered under a special-purpose account, differently for each donor-funded unit. So, the money will not be lost even if the county governments cannot absorb it. The money will go into the special-purpose account for the specific grant....

Sen. Osotsi Then do not dwell on the merits and demerits.

Sen. Osotsi Thank you. Next is Sen. Mandago.

Sen. Osotsi

Sen. OsotsiThis Bill also provides a very good framework for promoting good governance and ethical conduct in co-operatives. This is one of the measures to try and deal with the challenges that we have seen in the co-operative movement such as looting, stealing and corruption.Most importantly, this Bill seeks to...

Thank you, Senator.

Sen. Osotsi

Sen. Osotsi Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.56 (1) (b) to make a Statement on the activities of the County Public Investments and Special Funds Committee for the period commencing 1st January, 2025 to 30th April, 2025. During the period under review, the Committee faced a...

Sen. OsotsiI have read the report by the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, and I think more should have been done. There are instances of clear violation of laws by both parties, which I think the Committee should have done more to ensure that the law is upheld.There...

Your time is up, Sen. Osotsi. Proceed, Senator Methu.