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Sen. Wambua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. There are two things. One is on the matter of communication about how we conduct ourselves from today going forward. You have given direction that Members should restrain themselves from making public utterances, especially on the substance of this impeachment. It is a...

Sen. Wambua Mr. Speaker, Sir, let me conclude by saying that the other thing that you may also guide us now and into the debate is on the issue of patience. People should patiently listen to others.

Sen. Wambua Especially when I express an opinion that is not in line with your opinion.

Sen. Wambua Oh, my goodness.

Sen. Wambua I do not know where Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has disappeared to. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I have listened to what Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale said. This is a House of records. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale has, for all intents and purposes, failed us on that matter of impeachment. If I can...

Sen. Wambua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I am using the Dispatch because I want to see my brother and how the transition is shaping up. I can see he is doing well. My question is general on the whole issue of the e-Citizen platform. I come from Kitui County...

Sen. Wambua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It is very interesting that Sen. (Dr.) Oburu has asked the question that I wanted to ask, but I will twist it a bit. Basically, what has happened then is that the Chinese have given us a concessionary loan to pay their people,...

Sen. Wambua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have heard what my colleague, Sen. Cheruiyot, has asked from the Chair. My only worry is we are actually anticipating debate. This matter is not before us. Nobody even knows whether this matter will come before us. As things stand now, we...

Sen. Wambua Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Let me confirm from the desk that I have about 20 minutes. Is that right? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with Sen. Wambua) I rise to make a few comments on the report of the Joint Sittings of the Departmental Committee on Finance and...

Sen. Wambua Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sir, my question relates to the operations of Huduma centres. I would like to know from the Cabinet Secretary whether there is a common service charter for all Huduma Centres across the country, or we have different service charters for different Huduma Centres. Is...

Sen. WambuaA committee has made a resolution to suspend operations because they are not properly facilitated to carry out their functions. It should be remembered that though in that statement he mentioned the Mung Beans Bill as having been subjected to public participation in Tseikuru, however, the truth of the...

Sen. Wafula, proceed.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Just a minute, Sen. Wafula. Senate Majority Leader, you cannot raise a point of order when there is no Senator unless it is an intervention you would wish to make. What is your intervention? It is certainly not a point of order.

Sen. Wambua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there are things you are saying that are difficult to implement. When you say people should not be emotional about this matter, it is difficult not to be emotional about what we have just witnessed. It is also difficult to deal with a fact...

Sen. Wambua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you know, we defer to Sen. Khalwale, honestly. Surely, I was on my feet and he is a leader in this House. We are saying that you should order Masengeli to bring the Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning here in this...

Sen. Wambua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am just finishing. Bear with me one minute.

Sen. Wambua What is the point of order on? What is out of order now? Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, just allow me to finish. I have only one minute. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Wambua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will conclude. I was saying, that when the Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning was donated by the ODM to Kenya Kwanza, I listened to the Azimio Leader saying that they were donated to go and teach those people how to...

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Sen. Wambua Hon. Senators, sorry to disappoint you. However, we must move back to the questioner to ask the supplementary questions because the next Cabinet Secretary has to come in. Sen. Wafula, please, proceed.

Sen. Wambua Sen. Wafula, you ask questions or sit down if you are done. I have disallowed the delegation. September 18, 2024 SENATE DEBATES 34 Sen. Wambua Thank you, Cabinet Secretary, for coming and for your responses to the questions from the Members.I want to make reference to the response...

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are interlinking the systems. We will announce this process tomorrow as part of the reforms we are undertaking.

Hon. Senators, sorry to disappoint you. However, we must move back to the questioner to ask the supplementary questions because the next Cabinet Secretary has to come in. Sen. Wafula, please, proceed.

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Sen. Wambua That is okay. Now we move on to Sen. (Prof.) Ojienda. Question No.061

Order, Sen. Orwoba. Can you allow Sen. Wambua to speak? Sen. Wambua To the extent that a name has just been dropped does not mean that the reputation of the person has been put into question. Every time we debate here, we mention names and institutions. If we say that...

Sen. Wambua Next is Sen. Joe Nyutu.

Sen. Kiio, you are actually discussing the issue. September 18, 2024 SENATE DEBATES 54

Sen. Tobiko, I ruled on this that on the matter that you touched, you will have opportunity to substantiate. It is not an issue of whether debate has been stopped.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, I am ready to produce that evidence. On the issue on Masaai Lodge-Twala-Kitengela Road, I have not heard the response from the Cabinet Secretary. He has only talked about the Gataka Road. On the first road, the one from Daystar University to Stoni Athi, what...

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our attention, allow me to resubmit the response on the status of the Maasai Lodge-Tuala- Kitengela Road in Kajiado County.Thank you.

That is okay. Now we move on to Sen. (Prof.) Ojienda. Question No.061 MAPPING AND RECONSTRUCTION OF TRANSPORT INFRASTRUCTURE AFFECTED BY APRIL/MAY, 2024 FLOODS

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I will proceed to ask Question No. 061 to the Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport.

Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, do you have a supplementary question?

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am satisfied with the response by the Cabinet Secretary. My supplementary questions will follow when I meet him.

Next is Sen. Joe Nyutu. September 18, 2024 SENATE DEBATES 57

Question No.080 LACK OF PROPER MARKINGS AND SIGNAGE ON KENOL-SAGANA-MARWA ROAD

Madam Temporary Speaker, I just have three short questions for the Cabinet Secretary.

Cabinet Secretary, this session has to end. The session is not over. There were a few more questions, but we could not get Members to ask. So, we will get in touch and reschedule another session with you. ADJOURNMENT

Hon. Senators, it is now 1.15 p.m. Having extended this Sitting by 15 minutes, the Senate stands adjourned until Wednesday, 18th September, 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 1.15 p.m. September 18, 2024 SENATE DEBATES 58

Sen. WambuaI cannot locate the NPS under the provisions of Article 244 of the Constitution. Why? That Article says that the Service is supposed to uphold the highest standards of professionalism. That is wanting in the Service. It says that the Service is supposed to prevent corruption, act transparently and...

You have a half a minute to conclude. Sen. Wambua The IG is coming into office at a time when there is need for him to exercise full independence as provided for in Article 245 of the Constitution. Abductions by hooded police officers must be dealt with. Mr. Speaker, Sir,...

Proceed, Sen. Chute.

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Sen. Wambua Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have followed submissions by Munene and the other witnesses. There is a very simple way of settling conflict on this legal advice. I would like the witness to submit to the House, who has custody of the original copy of the legal...

Sen. Wambua Mr. Speaker, Sir, I do not want to guide you on this, but I would request that you give that as a directive. At a point that is appointed by you, the advice should be made available to us to help us make a decision.

Sen. Wambua Is it the evidence on record of the witness and under oath that last year, you moved a Motion for the impeachment of the Governor of Meru, under duress and that you do not believe in what you said and the grounds that you adduced? If that be...

Sen. Wambua Governor. The Governor of Meru County (Hon. Kawira Mwangaza) : Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have not reported any economic sabotage to the police because this is kind of political, fueled by external forces to sabotage my administration and the good work that I do. I would...

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Sen. Wambua Order, Hon. Senators. There is a Motion that has been proposed to limit debate and we need to discharge it. Ordinarily, hon. Senators, each of (Loud consultations)

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Sen. Wambua Mr. Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity. I just want to thank the Senator for Meru for bringing this matter up as a statement and for the opportunity for Members to ventilate on it. Mr. Speaker, Sir, there are two things. One, what the judge did in...

Sen. Wambua On a point of information, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wambua On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Wambua Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am very surprised that a man of the character of the Senator for Uasin Gishu County who is dealing with his own issues, can stand on the Floor of the Senate and connect me with a nomination for the Office of the Attorney...

Sen. Wambua Standing Order No.105. A Senator must be responsible for the facts that he alleges on the Floor of the Senate.