Samson Kiprotich Cherargei

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Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, is it in order for the Senator for Nandi to erroneously refer to the Senator for Nairobi City County as the Chairperson of the Committee on Security, Defence and Foreign Relations when, in fact, he is not? Equally, is it in order for the Senator...

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Sen. Cherargei Bw. Spika, kwanza nataka kumshukuru ndugu yangu, Seneta Khaniri, kwa Statement aliyoleta. Katika maeneo ninayotoka ya Kilifi na pwani kwa ujumla, kuna watu wa tabaka mbalimbali. Kwa hivyo, cheti cha kuzaliwa ni cha umuhimu sana. Jambo la kwanza ambalo ningependa kusema ni kwamba Serikali inafaa kuondoa ada ya...

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Sen. Cherargei Yes, he is out of order to that extent. Chairperson, Sen. Sakaja, you do not have to respond. Take note and act accordingly, in accordance with the new Standing Orders. Sen. Cherargei, I will give you one minute to say whatever that you had not said.

Sen. Cherargei You will assist him later. The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Sen. Cherargei What is it Sen. Sakaja?

Sen. Cherargei I direct that the Division Bell be rung for three minutes. (The Division Bell was rung) March 19, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 26 Sen. Cherargei work hard. We wish them the best. They have learnt a lot and we want to thank your office for being gracious enough to...

Sen. Cherargei Bi.Spika wa Muda, ulipeana mwelekeo kwamba kila kiongozi atapewa dakika tano. Kwa hivyo, sio vizuri Sen. Madzayo kupata hoja ya nidhamu ambayo inachukua dakika zake mbili au tatu. Kama Naibu Kiongozi wa Waliowachache, naomba umpe Sen. Madzayo muda mrefu kidogo kwa sababu Sen. Cherargei----

Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise to request for a Statement on the expiry of drugs at the Kenya Medical Supplies Authority (KEMSA) . Mr. Speaker, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No.48 (1) , I rise to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health on the expiry...

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Sen. Cherargei“The regulation-making authority shall, in preparing a regulatory impact statement, obtain independent advice as to the adequacy of the regulatory impact statement and of the assessment included in the regulatory impact Statement in accordance with the guidelines.” Therefore, the big question is this. You know that corruption is systemic;...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance to contribute to this Bill. It is long overdue because it is about issues of statutory instruments in the counties. For many years, our counties have been operating without proper guidelines. This Bill provides a legal mechanism for them to...

In any case, constituents of a particular county such as business people will know how they will be affected by whatever will be proposed. People will also know how their environment will be affected.Clause 8 says proposals by county residents will be taken on board and members of public will...

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Sen. Cherargei Your time is up! March 13, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 56 Sen. Cherargei

March 13, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 57 Sen. Cherargei We have seen allegations of the National Social Security Fund (NSSF) and National Housing Corporation. There are allegations facing the famous Ekeza Sacco where people are investing on behalf of others yet they themselves do not disclose and do not manage properly....

Sen. Cherargei Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there is a book called Shamba la Wanyama where all animals are equal but sometimes, there are animals which are more equal than others. However, I agree with Sen. (Eng.) Maina that we should be referred to with the names that are known. If...

Sen. Cherargeizipate uwezo wa kupata pesa zao katika akaunti zao kutoka Serikali kuu ili waweze kuendesha shughuli zao bila vitisho kutoka kwa magavana.Katika swala hili, ninaunga mkono yule anayeongoza Kaunti ya Mombasa aitwe hapa katika Bunge la Seneti ndio aweze---. March 12, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 13 Sen. Cherargei zipate uwezo...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is the distinguished Senator for Nandi County in order to address this House and say he wished something that is already happening to happen? In the last Parliament, this House – and you remember – fought so hard to give autonomy...

Hoja ya nidhamu, Bw. Naibu Spika, kutendanisha ni kama kumaanisha kwamba wakili, Sen. Wetangula hakielewi Kiswahili sawa sawa, ama alikuwa anamaanisha jambo gani? The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki) What did you mean Sen. Cherargei? Did you mean that Sen. Wetangula has difficulties appreciating Kiswahili? Sen. Cherargei Bw. Naibu Spika,...

Sen. Cherargei You are out of order, Sen. M. Kajwang’. All Committees are competent. Let us not cast aspersions on any Committee. (Laughter) The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Order Senator. Sen. Cherargei My apologies, Mr. Speaker, Sir. It should be dealt with. There was one Minister who once said that, ‘I...

You are out of order, Sen. M. Kajwang’. All Committees are competent. Let us not cast aspersions on any Committee.

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I am worried about the position that he has already taken on the Floor on the matter. He has promised to deal with it in a manner that is consistent with his contribution on the Floor of the House.

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) What is your point of order, Sen. Cheruiyot?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, Sen. M. Kajwang’ is no ordinary Senator. He is the Chairperson of the Committee on County Public Accounts and Investments. One of the biggest struggles of the Senate is on how to hold the governors to account. Therefore, when it comes to the issue of accusing other...

Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, you had given my Committee an onerous task and I was to report back on the matter. We had 30 Senators this morning on that issue. [The Speaker consulted the Clerks-at-the-Table and Sen. Wetangula] Mr. Speaker, Sir, I noticed that the Chair is a bit...

Sen. Cherargei Please, wait. If there is a petition that is before us, we can grill the governor on the questions before us. To initiate how much the pending bill is, I think it is a new area that we are venturing into and I need guidance from the Speaker....

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I needed the Chair also to give timelines. We cannot just leave it open. The Chair can even respond after one year and our actors and musicians in the entertainment industry are suffering. We need timelines as to when the Chairperson should come back with the responses....

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to comment on the statement by Sen. Dullo. However, before I do so, I am a bit confused by the intervention from the Chairman of the Committee on Finance and Budget on whether or not his Committee should deal with the matter of...

Please, wait. If there is a petition that is before us, we can grill the governor on the questions before us. To initiate how much the pending bill is, I think it is a new area that we are venturing into and I need guidance from the Speaker. Thank you,...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am fully satisfied. I think the contractors from Kitui are happy. As to whether the Senate Committee on Finance and Budget should be determining the pending bills, I will leave that for the Committee and the Senator to deal with. However, on the matter of Kitui...

Chairperson, do you have something to add?

Madam Temporary Speaker, on the Controller of Budget, this discussion was made at the Leadership retreat at Windsor Hotel about two weeks ago. The Controller of Budget said - and they were not speaking the truth - that they were sending to every Senator Exchequer releases through the mail. None...

Sen. Cherargei Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me a chance to add my voice on Sen. Pareno’s Statement. I want to condemn in the highest and strongest terms possible the act of evicting people, destroying their properties and failing to give them notice on time. People should be...

Sen. Cherargei Madam Temporary Speaker, I am not particularly concerned with Nairobi County or this particular case of Embakasi which we are really condemning. All over the country, people should not be allowed to settle on somebody else’s property, a road reserve or water catchment area so that they are...

Sen. Cherargei Madam Temporary Speaker, in addition to being the Vice Chairperson of the Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations, I am the Senator of Nairobi. I know this issue very well; it is a land issue where people claim that part of that land is theirs. In...

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Sen. Cherargei Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I fully support the comments that have been made by Vice Chairperson of the Committee on National Security, Defence and Foreign Relations. We are receiving concerns from citizens. We are concerned as citizens about this NIIMS that they are talking about. If CS...

On a point of information, Madam Temporary Speaker.

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Sen. Cherargei Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise to support the Petition by the distinguished Senator of Kiambu County, Sen. Wamatangi. I agree that these are very serious issues. There is violation of human rights. As the Committee concerned, we will be very keen and interested to look at...

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Sen. Cherargei Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to commend the ad hoc Committee led by Sen. (Prof.) Kamar and Sen. Wetangula. They have done a splendid job. I will be precise and to the point. Sessional Paper No.1 of 1965 clearly spelt out the...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to move the following procedural Motion- THAT, pursuant to Standing Order No. 31, the Senate extends its Sitting today, to debate the Maize Report and the Motion on the Adoption of the 2019 Budget Policy Statement until both are exhausted.

Sen. Cherargei Thank you very much, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Report on the maize issue. First of all, I would like to commend the ad hoc Committee that sat for long hours, looking at the issues of maize in the country,...

Sen. Cherargei Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the microphone had a problem. The illegal importation of maize is a big issue. I did not have a lot of time earlier on to comment heavily on that issue, but hope that this House will not embarrass itself again, like we did during...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree with

“Even governors should do a peer review of what they are doing.” For example, in my county, the biggest project that the County Government of Nandi and Governor Sang is undertaking is the construction of an ultra-modern mortuary in Nandi Sub-County in Nandi County. A mortuary! He has decided that...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I thank you. I am one of those few people who believe that, for you to be able to know what your worth is, just like the former Vice February 27, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 84

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Time up!

I will request for just one more minute --- The Deputy Speaker (Sen. (Prof) Kindiki) I will add you two minutes.

Thank you Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for being gracious. Today in Narok County, the farmers were protesting in Trans Mara because the one manufacturing company they have, which has been buying sugarcane at Kshs4,410 per tonne has decided to reduce it to Kshs3,900 per tonne because they can no longer...

compete with the illegally imported sugar. So, the farmers are up in arms fighting the wrong person. The people who ought to pay this are the people who allowed this illegal importation of sugar.

Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thought you would allow some comments on the issue raised by Sen. Mwaruma? The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Do you have an issue to raise? Sen. Cherargei Yes, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I support Sen. Mwaruma because in my county we have a miner in Chemase-Chemilil...

Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, my good friend did not listen keenly. I said that the young men who work in the mines are exposed to some chemicals. Therefore, Chiefs in Chemase deal with cases of newly married men who can no longer execute their conjugal rights. They can no...

Sen. Cherargei We can talk in camera and share with him some findings. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we are not against investors; we welcome them. However, they must respect the people who give them the opportunity to exploit their resources. Most of the mining companies in this Republic do not have...

Sen. Cherargei on a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) What is your point of order, Sen. Cherargei? Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, I appreciate what sen. Ndwiga is saying, but as a Committee, they have enormous powers to look into some of these crosscutting issues...

Sen. Cherargei Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I support this very important issue that was raised by the Senator for Bungoma. However, I will do my thinking along the lines of Sen. M Kajwang’. I do not think that this was entirely a silly idea, as is being posed by...

Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, I join you in welcoming the Members of the County Assembly (MCAs) from Elgeyo-Marakwet County Assembly. On behalf the Senate Majority Leader who is the area Senator, I would like also to welcome them to the Senate. These are my neighbours and that is why...

Sen. CherargeiTHAT this House notes the Report on the 5th Global Summit on Open Governance Partnership in Tibilisi, Georgia, 17th to 19th July, 2018, laid on the Table of the House on Wednesday, 20th February, 2019. February 21, 2019 SENATE DEBATES 8 Sen. Cherargei THAT this House notes the Report...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No.48 (1) , I rise to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Security, Defence and Foreign Relations regarding the National Integrated Identity Management System (NIIMS) or commonly referred to as the Huduma Number. In the statement, the Committee should-

Sen. Cherargei He has already said that, that is the barrier. They cannot be translated into---

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Sen. Cherargei(Laughter) The Speaker (Hon. Lusaka) Sen. Naomi, you may proceed. Sen. Cherargei

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Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, is it in order for the fellow who has not paid his HELB loan to provoke the Chief Justice when the Chief Justice merely attended a presidential function? Is it in order for him to claim that the Chief Justice went to attend a political...

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Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate, today, Wednesday, 20th February, 2019:- Report on the Public Participation on the Statutory Instruments (Amendment) Bill (Senate Bills No.24 of 2018)

Sen. Cherargei Mr. Speaker, Sir, I had the privilege and honour of briefly chair a joint Committee of the House that deliberated on the same issues. It was reported to you that the issues before us are very weighty. Right from just basic legal issues, Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr. and...

Sen. CherargeiWe will be able to mention all 15 of them. The main reason that we thought we must relook at this is the fact that there are more sweeping recommendations that we were given in November, when maize had been harvested and four million bags of maize were being...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I am also privileged to be a part of this Committee. I was at the meeting that looked at the amendments. We agreed with the amendments, but not to delete the CS, the National Treasury and Planning. We also agreed to include the Inter-Ministerial Committee....

Sen. Cherargei He is on a point of order. Let him conclude it.

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Sen. Cherargeithey are fully aware that they are unable to pay suppliers. This is a big problem, because most banks and financial institutions are auctioning some of the properties and collateral that the business people provided before they took on the jobs within the county governments.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you. I would like to also thank Sen. Wambua for bringing up this issue. I am, however, surprised, because I worked in the Civil Service a few years back. Before, we used to have budgets and at every end of the financial year, whatever money...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me thank the Senator for Kitui County for bringing this Petition. Indeed, pending bills is a big issue in this country. This morning, we were looking at the report of the Controller of Budget, and at the end of June 2017, Kshs108 billion is supposed...

No, by the time we bring our report, we will---.

Sen. Cherargei Very well. Sen. Dullo, you will speak last because you are the one who asked for this Statement. Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.

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Sen. CherargeiAn hon. Senator: Yes! December 6, 2018 SENATE DEBATES 60 Sen. Cherargei Madam Temporary Speaker, I know the disbandment of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) is inevitable, and my Committee will do the necessary. This is because we want to pursue what our brothers and sisters in...